Bachelor Happy Hour - Exclusive: Zoe Tells All

Episode Date: March 27, 2025

Today on “Happy Hour,” we have Zoe returning to speak her truth! From her ticket to “Paradise” to her thoughts on the finale, we’re covering all things “Bachelor” and more. We kick off the episode by picking right back up where we left off with Zoe, getting her perspective on her journey, the drama, and the inside scoop on everything. Next, she shares her thoughts on the finale and who she believed was going to get Grant’s final rose. Plus, she talks about the “Women Tell All” and what she would have wanted to say if she had been there. And, of course, we discuss “Paradise” and who she’d like to see on the beach. Tune in now and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Jamel Hill, host of the Sports and Politics and on the latest episode of Spolitics, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries joins me for a candid conversation about the state of the Democratic Party. What do Republicans say to you privately that they won't say publicly? Many of them are in fear of their political lives. We continue to say to them, you were elected to defend your constituents. and there's life after Congress. Make sure to listen to this episode of Politics

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walks into a comedy club? Answer, a new podcast called Wisecrack where a comedian finds himself at the center of a chilling true crime story. Does anyone know what show they've come to see? It's a story. It's about the scariest night of my life. This is Wisecrack, available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Joe. And I'm Serena. And we are here today with our lovely guest. She's been on

this podcast before, but last time we talked to her was episode two. Zoe, welcome back to to Bachelor Happy Hour. Hi. Thank you for having me. Of course. Okay, Zoe, so we got a lot to talk about. You've been officially cast in on Paradise, hometowns, fantasy suites, the finale.

I know you have a lot to say. Where would you like to kick this podcast off? Oh, I don't know. One of those topics. Oh, okay. we're starting at those topics i mean there was stuff even before that i think let's go to the beginning you want to just go all the way through yeah i want to go all the way through i think um some other people have been on podcast like maybe like rewriting history um i think we saw obviously i got

a tough start into the house and to the this whole journey i guess you could say and i think um since they were allowed to talk about me at the tell all i want to clear up some things is that uh when I took him to the rooftop. It was after like five, six hours of playing basketball. We all had a chance to play with the kids. We all had a chance to play with Grant and stuff. And then we were playing the game. Things did escalate. And I was one of the few people that was like, hey, girls, like, let's just back off a little bit and slow down. When Beverly wasn't feeling well, I told her I go sit with Grant. Like, you know, I was always trying to be aware of other people's feelings. And I feel like, you know, most of the girls, they stood up for me and they will

obviously tell you that now. But I think, and even the audience, you know, I've had people the end me, apologies and stuff. But yeah, I think it was just a high-stakes environment. A lot of things were said to me and at me, and I think that I actually handled myself a lot better. And yeah, and then I had to basically exist in that space going forward. So I don't think it was kind. And I think people saying that I misunderstood or that I had to like fight my way back to be friendly in the house. That's not the case. It's not being misunderstood. It's that people judged me and they were incorrect. And a lot of the girls apologize. I also want that to be known. It's like, I'm great with everyone now. Like Ellie Joseph, I love them all. But yeah, I think it was

just a tough start. And I think the audience didn't really get to see the whole picture. And like, you know, and then going into episode two, it seemed like I was just like crying because like oh my god i didn't get extra time with grant and that absolutely was not the case i'm such a person i think people forget like i'm an engineer i was working on wall street so i'm used to like getting the right answers and all the girls were so excited to see hannah berner but i was so excited to see um daniel from shark tank like i was like oh my god dana for shark tank like i'm you know trying to win him over and i'm not getting any rewards and like it was such a large group date and by that time grant had already formed connections with some people so

So it was kind of like, oh, like, I'm drowning in like all aspects of this date. And there were lots of comments made to me throughout, again, between the first date and the second date. And I didn't do anything to anyone outside of what Grant saw. And he said he didn't like that I had taken him to the rooftop the day that had happened. And so it was just kind of like I was drowning. Like, that's why I was upset. And I also think that like a lot of the girls had the same, they were, you know, on the same page. And I always want to be the person, like, we don't all have to think the same.

So, like, me being like, no, I didn't have fun today. Like, it was just so stressful. It was to open a dialogue for, like, anyone else that was also feeling the same way. It wasn't like, oh, my God, like, look at me. Like, I need the attention. And so I think, as we said, the girls got to know me. And they were like, yeah, I think we just maybe thought one thing. And so I think after that day, and again, even that night, when I told

grant. I was not sitting there listing off names and listening off grievances. It genuinely was like, I am fighting for my life in this house and I want that to be known of like why my energy has shifted on this date. And for him to then come in and kind of drop the bomb and not actually like support me in that situation was a bit off guard. So like that's kind of why I just like pulled away and like kept to myself. But yeah, I wanted that like to be critical. And as I said, all the girls after that night a lot of them either came up and apologized and or like we we hash it out and we're good did did you did you watch the women tell all I did okay so that's one thing that's one thing I'm not a huge fan of when someone's not there I know we were hoping we would have loved to see them bring

you just for a segment at least because it it's it's hard for the girls because they obviously are going to have to speak on what happened but then you can't have this like full dialogue that includes you. And we did see Serafina kind of try to jump to your defense at points. But it's not the same, obviously, as, like, words coming directly out of your mouth. I think words coming out of my mouth, but also, like, to see that I don't have any issues with anyone on that stage. And I think that's the... That's not what it felt like watching it.

It's not... Well, first of out, Allie Joe, she allowed to speak her piece. She was the one involved in this, you know? And I'm glad that she got to stand up for herself. I don't mind that. another girl that did need to give her two cents and what she was saying wasn't true. I don't appreciate that. But I know, and I think too, a lot of people don't want to put the target on their back

so maybe people who did agree with me or understood me aren't going to speak up because they don't want to get involved in the drama. But I think that is like when people see like, oh, like I'm not, I'm friends with everyone or the majority of people. It's not like I'm just, it's not the narrative of I was not in there to like not make a single friend. I'm a very reserved person. I have been through very tough things and I've dealt with very, you know, different situations where it's just not been good to just be open and vulnerable. And I think going into a place like this, when we are literally all competing

for the same prize, to me, it's not my natural instinct to be like, I'm going to go in here and be best friends with all of you and be fake because that's just not me. And there were some things that were being said at the very first I was like I don't really like I don't vibe with so I kept to myself and but at the same time in a respectful way or like in ways that I thought was being respectful and as as I said at the end of the day when I got to know people genuinely then I'm genuine friends with them and I do love them and I want to support them and I'm so glad that we all were in this process together but that's the way I operate if someone else operates differently that's not wrong but if my biggest flaw is being reserved and you know keeping you

to myself, I'll take that. What do you feel like the shift was from your relationship with the girls in episode one and two to kind of three, four, or five, it feels like after episode two, things did start to look up and your relationships did start to form? Well, as I said from the jump, I expected people would be like, oh, she's stealing him. She must, like, want the attention. She, like, must want all this time with him. And as I said, when you were there and you understood we had been playing for five hours,

It's not like we just stepped foot in the basketball court. Grant, can I take you? That's disrespectful. It's not like I had the one-on-one and then I'm taking him. That's disrespectful. If I had kept doing it on other group dates, which, like, the next finance date, I could have sat beside him. I could have stolen him, but I didn't.

And so I think when people assume that that's the way that you operate and they're realizing that's not, as I said, it was just to make my mark, let him know that I'm here for him. And after that, everyone do their own thing. And I think once people realize, like, oh, no, she is just like, that was it. That was the one thing that she wanted to do. And like, you know, and at the same time, all these girls saying, I wouldn't do it. Guess what? I made the top three.

So maybe that is what made my journey different than yours. And I'm grateful for that. Speaking of making the top three, I think a big story surrounding your story was the fact that you didn't get a one-on-one date. And I think a lot of people were like, I'm not giving you enough credit for being there. yeah um just almost like you were by default like it was you can you kind of talk about that situation and your relationship with grant and stuff that we probably didn't see yeah i mean i think it well first off i've seen a lot of like disrespect as far as that goes um i think people forget that there's only one wife fiance at the end of this and you have you're keeping people around as like

Your relationship with them could change. It could get on par with someone else's. So to sit here and be like, oh, she, they have no chemistry. They have nothing. Or like, he just wants her because she's attractive is, like, insanely disrespectful. I am accomplished. I'm well educated. I am driven.

I am kind. I am a great supportive partner. There were so many qualities. And Grant knew those. I think, again, two out of like 10 of our conversations were included in the show. And I think that's really unfortunate, because it does confuse the audience. But I know the conversation we have. Grant knows the conversation we've had.

Neither one of us were delusional that I was ever like his number one pick, but not to speak on his behalf, but I think we're on the same mindset of like, we're going to keep giving it a chance until there's no more chances to give. And for me, I'm like, I'm in this process and, you know, there's only one bachelor that we can choose from. And I wanted to give it my all. And I said to everyone, I'm like, I'm in this 100% in fun, not. And I didn't get that one-on-one.

I didn't get that time to see if this was or was not my person. But the conversations we did have, and the one thing about me is I make the most of every single situation that I'm in, whether it is my job, my career, education, this experience. I think that came across too on the show. Yeah. Thank you. And so the conversation we had is like, we had fun conversations. At prom is like, yeah, we danced, slow dance. And then I, like, had them trick him and, like, 30 seconds in and played get low.

And I'm dancing to get, like, it was such a spot. Like, we were funny. There was, like, banter. You know, I got deep. I told them about my upbringing. We had talked about the future. You know, I think our pivotal conversation was the last one in Spain where we were talking about the future. And again, not as like, this is my man, but, like, it could be.

And I think we both were in that boat. And I think, as he said, if he's already had one-on-ones with people, he knows are not going to be his wife. And we haven't had that opportunity. Of course, like, give me the chance. And so I think that's what we both were doing. And, you know, and for me, meeting the family, like, it's a big deal, but I don't know. I guess I'm a little delusional. Like, I'm like, I don't care.

Like, you know, like, I'll get married tomorrow if I meet the right person. And so, as I said, we start up to be on The Bachelor. This is not the craziest thing in the world that you could get engaged without having a one-on-one, you know? So I don't know. Again, that's just the way I think. A lot of the girls were so hesitant even when we were in Madrid being like, I don't think I could get engaged at the end of this. I'm like, oh, no, I just need one day. If I have the right conversation, I need one day.

So I think that different mindset and the different way of dating, you know, leads me to be love bomb sometimes. But, like, I don't know. I like it. I'm fine with it. No, and I also think people that haven't been on the show, it's easy for them to say, like, and everyone's different. Some people couldn't do it, but some people would probably surprise themselves and be like, oh, yeah, no, I actually, maybe I could do it. You know, it's such an unusual experience.

But so looking back, I think a lot of people felt like surprised or confused as to how you got all the way to Fantasy Suites based on the little we saw of your relationship and those conversations. were you surprised at all? Or were you like, no, this totally makes sense to me. I have clarity on where we're at. Oh, no. I mean, I was insecure throughout the entire process as far as where I was on the radar. You know, he never gave me like some reassurance,

like you're the one or anything like that. And it was kind of the opposite, but I felt why I kept having to like prove myself and my intentions is he actually kept like every conversation questioning my intentions, questioning if I was emotionally available, if I had depth, if I could be loyal when we got outside of here, which is absolutely crazy if you know me and like my friends, like I'm the most loyal, sincere, authentic person you will find.

I'm not going to say yes your proposal. I'm not in this for the game. I'm not in this for the TV show. I'm in it for a husband. And, you know, I think that is why I kept, pushing and trying so hard in a way that I would not be doing in the real world because I'm like, if this is my man and this is our one opportunity, me not having a one-on-one at the end of the day, like, we'll get, you know, we'll get married. It doesn't matter. We have a lifetime of

one-on-ones. But I think knowing my qualities and knowing that connection that we had, as I said, I think I knew until the end that like we were both giving it a chance. Yeah. And I think it just, he only needs to pick one, right? So. Why do you think he was questioning your loyalty? I think there's something about me where people always assume I'm different than I am. I feel like maybe you guys, even when you probably watched the episode, you're like, oh, gosh, like, this girl's not making it far. Like, she's, you know, just very, very, very confident, I'm a very confident woman. I'm driven and like, I think that can, and I came in, I'm already modeling.

I live in New York City. you know, I think I'm the archetype of someone who could just be here for the wrong reasons. Or what we've seen maybe in the past on the show. Exactly. And so I think in his head and his like biggest fear was choosing someone who was here for the wrong reason. I think we forget he was on Jen's season where we had the biggest like dupe of as far as I

know in like bachelor history. So I think him coming off the back of that was probably like, you know, fearing that like maybe people like me were doing the same. And I'm like, no, like I'm, I'm already living my life. I am successful in these industries. I genuinely just want a husband from this experience. Like anything else, great. But like, I'm not thinking about those other things.

And then I think, at any point did you start to question if he was your person? Like, if he's constantly questioning you and your character, were you at any point like, hmm, maybe I don't know, or were you like, I'm going to keep. progressing this forward until you know the end because we do we actually we hear you say near the end like you've asked me so much but like I don't I don't know if I know enough about you I don't think I was ever like questioning like in the sense of like oh I need to leave this experience like he's not my person because as I said until the very end we didn't get that time And so, and maybe this is also like the bad part of the trauma that I have of like feeling like I have to constantly like prove myself and like not stand up for myself in a situation like this.

But I was, we hadn't had that time where I could be definitively like this is not my person. If I'm being told he's a good man and he's husband material and he's looking for a wife, like then let me just stick it out until we get that time together. And I knew worst case scenario when you have an entire night with someone with no. cameras. I'm going to get the answers that I need. And ultimately, after overnight, I was stood on business before we went to overnights. And I, my conversation with him was not let me know more about you. It was, I've been given the short end of the stick in this experience. You knew that I told you I was being bullied or like, you know, put down. It was not feeling comfortable. And you kept having me on these large group dates and competitive situations, never gave me that opportunity

to just open up and be vulnerable on a one-on-one time. and were questioning me throughout this process and I'm still here and if I was here for the wrong reasons I would you know have left not getting that one-on-one and the fancy date and he apologized you know and I said like that's not the behavior that I would take going outside of here I'm willing to accept it because this is a one-time situation and so that was kind of the turning point for me I was like I don't want my man to think that I'm not worthy of romance and, you know, kind gestures and to be his number one pick. And, you know, I think we got to overnight. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon.

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He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the Iheart Radio app, podcast or wherever you get your podcast. I never envision being with a woman. I'll just be honest.

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No, this is before we went to overnight. And so this is just the epitome of my experience on the bachelor. I'm extremely arachnophobic. We're having this like, like, a relationship altering conversation. We've been in it for like, I'm thinking a couple hours. All of a sudden, I see a caro man looking down. And then in my line of sight was my number one field. was a tarantula crawling around outside i've never seen one in my life i was no and it was not

like this is not funny he got i had a full-blown panic attack i'm crying i'm shaking i'm like get me the heck out of here i cannot stay here and they were like well this is where your overnight was supposed to be and i was like oh no no no no like i need to leave was inside like outside like so it was like the most like insane thing like grant was comforting me and like ultimately like we were allowed to go to a different location for our overnight, but I think that ultimately not only put me in this high stress, but it took away a couple hours of our like overnight. But by that point, we had a conversation, we had our conversations and I think that was the point I realized like, oh, like I don't think this is my man. Like it was not what I was hoping

to get out of the conversation. I don't feel like I was being seen as my full person. I felt like I was being seen in like one category versus another category. And I need someone who loves and wants to accept all of me. And so when I left the overnight, I was, this was the first time. I was like, I don't think I would say yes if he gave me a rose. And ultimately, like, I didn't have to come to that decision. And another thing. Did you think you were going to potentially have to come to that decision or did you kind of know it wasn't you?

well so I had a I thought it was 100% Latia that was gonna end up with him or get sent home though that was gonna end up with him okay okay and so I'm at the end of the day I'm like it's a 50 50 chance that I get the second rose um and but I was like there was nothing life changing

about our night so I'm like I just generally I had no clue because I'm like if I'm still here I don't know what I don't you don't get to see other people's relationships other than Latia kept getting validating validated and that was obvious did you know did you see that though because you're saying like you're saying a hundred percent is pretty like you're you're an analytical person you said you've worked on wall street if you're throwing a hundred percent out there 100 what evidence do you have to back that well this is it and what i think people don't realize is juliana and i were in the same boat up until scotland right i mean obviously she knows her conversation that i had i know the conversation i have but as far as like validation Letia got the first group date rose. Latia got a three-on-one. Latia was hand-selected for the one-on-one from the three-on-one,

and then she got the final one-on-one. And just knowing her, she's an amazing woman. I'm like, oh, like, it has to be her. Like, you know, like, so, and we only had so many, he had only had so many one-on-ones this season, which is the other reason why I was not so salty about not having one. There were only, what, seven of them? Yeah, it was a super short season.

Yeah. And so to my knowledge, and based on our conversation, I was thinking it's 100% Latia, but he obviously, you know, but maybe he want, you know, you just don't know what people are thinking. And so I was just like, I don't know. It might be me. It might not be me. Like to be second. And I was like, I don't know if I would say yes. But they also, I didn't want to take away his power as the bachelor, which people may or may not think is right. Like people are like, well, I would have just left. Well, if he's having me here, like, I don't want to take away his power or make him regret having me here. And then, like, he could have furthered his relationship with, like, Dina, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's also so short. Like, you have your overnight. And, like, typically in the real world, if you're having, like, doubts on if this is your person, you know, you talk to them for another week or two. You go on another day. You, like, talk to your friends, whereas, like, literally you're in a rose ceremony two days later, probably still like. Oh, no, no, no,

I'm sorry. No, no, no, no. My overnight was last. Oh. Oh. you had the last one okay yeah yeah so i was the last overnight yes and um so it was less than 12 hours before the rose summer so that's why i was like i'm getting ready i'm like thinking and i'm like i don't know where my head's at um and that's also like knowing i had the last one like well he's already went with the other two and like well he's we're still going and trying so i was like i don't know i was just by that point was just very confused um about where i was in this process and i think as I said, I don't, I have never really watched the show. I've seen snippets here and there and like maybe a season of a year or two after it's aired. So I don't know. I was just kind of there and I was

like, I want to give it a chance and I don't want to stop my blessing if this is meant to be my person. So that was the first time I think of this entire time. I was like, if I don't get a rose, I'm not going to be like, I didn't get to see this through. Right. You're like maybe my journey's coming to an end. And if I don't get a rose, that's just a sign. He's not my person. Yeah. Well, the tarantula was the first sign. Yeah, the tarantula. You need to meet. You'll meet Hakeem in Paradise because we know he's going to and you guys can bond over your arachnophobia.

They're definitely going to put something's going to happen with that. No. Yeah, keep your eyes peeled. You mentioned, you mentioned earlier in the conference. I want to talk a little bit about the Latia of it all from last night, but you mentioned you have stuff to say about the Carolina situation of everything. what is your opinion on Yeah, all of that from the season to what you watched at the Women

Tell All to now maybe if there's been more. Yeah. So I think because the thing I don't like is that I'm being looped in on like we did the same thing and therefore I should be defending her. That's not the case. What actually happened is the same woman who kept attacking me twice on two group dates

attempted to attack Carolina off camera after the rose ceremony. And I straight up said, we're not doing that. No one stood up for me, but I'm going to see. Who is this woman? You don't want to say?

Okay. And I said, we're not doing that. We've all been, it's been a long day. We've been drinking. We're going to go to bed and we'll talk about this when we're sober.

So I did stand up for her. I said, what you did was wrong. She had the rose. She took a very long time during the cocktail party. Girls went home that did not, did not get to speak to him or were speaking about her when they were getting sent home. So girls have the right to be upset, the same way they had the right to be upset about me,

but we also need to be kind when we're addressing our frustrations with one another. And so I did stick up for her. I don't, but then the other thing that was, I think she rubbed every person the wrong way continuously, whether or not you were on her date. So it started with that, and then it went to what she was having on and off camera conversation. So we're like, what are you talking about an off camera conversation? We're on a show. So that part, I think, rub some of us the wrong way.

With Grant or with the girls? No, with the girls. And then wouldn't tell us what the drama was about. So we're like, well, you just monopolize all of our time. And now you're trying to have certain conversation on camera and certain conversation off camera. that's kind of calculated so we did not like that she like wanted selfies wanted to stop the bus on the way to our group date to take a photo of herself um was but my final straw was we were trying to kindly talk to her as you saw juliana took her away um because we didn't want to attack her in a group let her know what was happening we come back and we're just like kindly saying these are kind of the things we've been seeing one by one no voices raised, no cussing, no one talking over her, giving her a chance to speak. And her initial reaction was, y'all are attacking me? Why are you attacking me? Uh, Zoe, I stood up for you.

Why are you talking about? I was like, this is not an attack, girl. Like, this is accountability. That's not an attack. And it's not even accountability. It's just a, we're telling you questions and our concern. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet.

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Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, so we do have Carolina coming on for an interview on Bachelor Happy Hour shortly. What would you hope to see from Carolina in that interview? after watching the season back as well as how she handled women tell all you know i hope just like accountability i think all we've seen her blame grant we've seen her blame production we've seen her complain about the format of the show um we all agreed to go on it we all did and behaved in the ways that we didn't and behave um and i think that it's just like just to stop with the digs and just to say like hey i could have done this differently or maybe i should have just left

if i wasn't in this 100 percent um yeah and just move on yeah all right so let's let's cut to the finale um you're someone you were there you probably know better than everyone watching letia ends up being sent home now you're you're you're saying you 100 percent thought it was Latia. It seemed like Latia 100% thought it was her. What are your thoughts on everything? Latia essentially said Grant, I mean, let her on the entire way all the way up until the end. And did Latia ever open up to you about how much Grant was talking her up and validating her and basically making it seem like she was the one? So I think that she is a hundred 100% valid. I don't, at this point in time, I can't quite tell you if it was intentionally

malicious that he said these things and he was in the back of his head thinking, you know, he had a different number one. Or he just got caught up and trying to be a kind bachelor. I will say the way that he's kind of acted since we've left filming was a bit different than the man that he was showing us while we were filming, you know, and I think specifically for me to be questioned about my intentions, it's a bit ironic. And for that, I don't love that. I don't love how he has spoken about the two of us and all the women since leaving. I think that he can just acknowledge the facts and the reality of what we were in. You're allowed to change your mind. You're allowed to have said maybe you shouldn't have said these things or maybe you should have done less

and you can just say that you were like caught up um you know i'm grateful that i didn't feel let on but i i think she's 100% valid to feel that way i think that the same thing with carolina like it's better to just acknowledge the facts of what happened own up to it and move on like instead of like we're not even rewriting history right there's reality there's There's TV and there's reality TV. Just because things were not aired does not mean they did not happen, right? So I think that we need to remember that. And just we're all people.

And we were all, this is all of our first experiences, you know? And yeah. So I just, I really don't appreciate and I don't think she appreciates what happened since we left. And I assume she probably feels gaslit, which I would too. It sounds like the time between filming and everything airing was probably really stressful and tense for a lot of reasons. Once cameras dropped at the end of AFR and the season officially has wrapped, what was the energy like in the room amongst everyone? I think we were all glad it was over.

I think it's, for some of us, it's been a much more tumultuous journey. Like, you know, I didn't even meant I was like relentlessly cyberbullied for like, the first two or three weeks of this show air, like completely unjustified. And then her having to deal with this huge public heartbreak and probably embarrassment. And also, like, you're tied to him until you're off the show. So it's kind of like this really long process of, like, rehashing old wounds over and over and over. And you kind of can't move on until it's all said to done. And at this point, we're two days removed.

So, you know, I think we can all finally get back into reality. But I think it was tough. I think it's tough for her, but she is a beautiful, confident woman who is going to find her man. And I think him and Juliana are great for each other. And they, you know, we'll hopefully have a happy, long relationship. And I think, like, it makes sense and we're happy for them. I think it was just like the process was just confusing to a lot of us. Do you think they will?

You think Juliana and Grant will make it? I, you know, I only know parts of them. As I said, I think Grant had a lot of pressures on his shoulders to be The Bachelor. I think maybe he behaved and said things that he maybe was trying to be a certain persona than who he really is. But if she's supporting, you know, his desire to do music and, you know, be a little bit more on socials and doing and saying these things, then good for her girl and good for them. I hope they last. Like, I love love. And, yeah, as long as they're genuine with each other.

Okay. I was going to say, before we let you go, we have to quickly chat about you had a hot seat at the end of the night, which was so exciting. We see that you're officially invited to go to Paradise. And we also get an announcement that some of the golden contestants, we see Leslie and Gary come out, are going to be joining as well. give us all your thoughts on that um i'm excited to be in paradise um i survive in an ocean uh setting do you have your eyes on anyone okay so not really because as i said i didn't watch this like i don't watch the show like i was just thrown into this space so i kind of did a little bit of research screenshots and like random names like this guy's kind of cute um but like i don't know no one like

100%, but there's some cute guys in Bachelor nation. So we'll see. Hopefully not a TikToker, though. I like a man with the job. Knowing what you know now about your experience on The Bachelor, where is your headspace going into Paradise? Yeah. A lot of people ask me, aren't you like, this was not like great experience for you? But I do love the people running paradise and I um now know what bachelor nation is like outside of here and um I also am grateful that it's like I don't have to just go in there looking to chase some man and like breed my up my insecurities like I can go in there as a confident woman and if these met like my person's out there I don't feel like like I have to like prove myself to one person and I I'm excited for that

to have more um power and autonomy um and I also think like there's more love and like couples that come out of it because there's like a better chance so I just want my person I want a husband and so I'm really excited for that potential and hopefully this would be my love story yay we hope so too yeah we're excited for you um thank you so much for taking the time out of your day and talking with us and yeah that's pretty much it yeah thanks so yeah no problem thank you guys and thank you to all our listeners thank you for tuning into Betts or Happy Hour, make sure you stay tuned, download, and subscribe to the podcast. Thanks for listening. Bye.

My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want or gone. Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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