Bachelor Happy Hour - Fantasy Suites and Nightmare Scenarios

Episode Date: March 12, 2024

Joe and Serena recap one of the most emotional episodes of every season: Fantasy Suites. From almost broken jaws, to giddy “I Love You’s,” Joe and Serena take us through every date and examine where they think each of Joey’s connections lie. Then, we’ll see each Golden woman's one-on-one time with the ladies, including Leslie’s very real advice to Kelsey A. And finally, we get into Kelsey A.’s spiral to follow. Will her note ignite Joey’s insecurities and tank their flourishing connection?  Tune in now and be sure to follow so you never miss an episode!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm Jo. And I'm Serena. And today we are going to recap Fantasy Suites. I know. Serena's favorite episode. It's not my favorite. I like Night One. I just guess.

I was just throwing a guess out there. What's your favorite episode? Night one. Yeah. Night one. But I like Fantasy Suites. I like Fantasy Suites, too. Coming off of hometown's fantasy sweets.

is a good one there's always like something i i like i like hometowns more than i like fantasy sweets do you really yeah why is that uh i just find them to be more entertaining yeah i just feel like there's there's just there's more people so new different dynamics that i enjoy that's true i feel like we should have jared on every hometown recap because he's so passionate about hometown and he like i'm not a big hometown gal saw my favorite episode but like he makes me enjoy the episode more yeah he loves loves hometowns yeah he's so passionate about it okay so we are it's fantasy sweets and we are in toulom teloom mexico which i feel like we've been here before because when they did the sonotes date i was like this looks so familiar but i can't pinpoint

what season did it you wonder why i don't like the sonotes yeah for people listening oh it was zach's season that did it okay um and for people listening joe and i have been into Tulum and we've done the sonotes. We didn't do ones like this where you're jumping off stuff, but we did one where you kind of like walk down and it's like the pools of water that you can swim in and it's like caves and all that. Yeah. I dislike them because there's bats. Yes. And I don't like bats and bats carry rabies and I don't want anything to do with that. Yes. The one we were in had like you swim underneath this like underneath these rocks. Yeah. And there was so many bats. But you did good. You went you went under.

Yeah, I mean, I only, because I knew how much you wanted to do it, and you were having fun, and I was really just putting on a brave face, but I hated every second. You're so brave. I couldn't wait to get out of there. I remember that. I remember that, too. We were with Abigail and Noah, and they were loving it also. So you were really, like, there was a lot of peer pressure for you to push through. And we had to put on the life jackets that, like, everyone was wearing, and they were, like, soaked.

And I was like, yeah, but it does mean they don't, like, they clean them in between and stuff. I don't know. They didn't smell clean. Well, if we ever go back, you can sit on the bench and watch while I swim in the sonotes. I won't make you do it again. Okay. Just don't get bit by a bat. I won't.

Or I'll try not to. What TV show did we just watch if somebody got bit by a bat? Yeah. And they were affected with rabies. Oh, my God. It's right at the tip of my tongue. I feel like it was a movie. Oh, it was the Hunger Games songbird, prequel, whatever.

Got it. Yeah. Okay. Oh, wait. You know, the guy in it is the guy who played like the son, the rich son, is dating Rachel What's Her Face, the girl who played the main girl in real life. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, nice.

Anyway, I just saw that on Instagram today. Okay. We're in Tulum and we have three dates. It starts off with the security hand footage of Joey. Reading the card. Reading the note. A little foreshadowing. No, no.

No, it doesn't. It ends with that. Oh, foreshadowing. And when they do the little foreshadow clip, which honestly I have come to like, I feel like at the beginning of this season, I was like, I hate this. And now I enjoy it. I was just upset they ended on that. I know. Because I wanted to see what happened.

It was such a cliffanger. And they do like a little, they start off with like a recap of all the relationships, kind of remind you where everyone's at. And then we go into Rachel and Susan have a chat. I love these cameos from the Golden Bachelor Girls this episode. And we're actually going to have them on Leslie, Susan and Sandra for an interview later this. week so be sure to stay tuned for that yeah yeah what did you think about rachel and susan's chat i thought it was i thought it was nice i thought it was fine i think but i mean i like susan i think she's a great personality i personally think it would be more helpful i get she has a lot of advice

and all that but like like what we were on paradise and i think dina and Kaylin came down and we talked to them. There's just something more relatable there that I thought was very helpful where I would almost rather see the conversation being had with Rachel and like... One of Zach's girls. Somebody who's, yeah.

Who's on The Bachelor and, oh, you mean like a success story? Like here, like Zach's, like Katie. Katie and Zach. Yeah. I rather see Katie have that conversation because it's so fresh and so new and she went through that exact experience. And it worked out for her.

And it worked out. That's actually a good point because with us, yeah, we have referred back to this before. No offense, Bachelor, Golden Bachelor ladies. I enjoy you. I like you. I'm just saying. Yeah, no, I know what you're saying

because when we were in Paradise to see it having worked out for Kailen and Dean who met on Paradise who are still together, like there is something encouraging about that. You do kind of want to hear their experience and like how they handled these situations. And we get later in the episode when Leslie and Kelsey,

Kelsey, I'm like, this is not giving her any confidence. Yeah, we'll get into that. But Rachel basically just says she feels really accepted by Joey and she's in love with him, but her guards.

And I feel like that's been like the theme with Rachel all season is like her guards up. She doesn't like crying in front of him. She doesn't like being vulnerable with him. Yeah, I feel I really. like Rachel. I think she's very sweet. Um, I think she is very pretty. I think she's, she's smart. Like, I really like her. And I, and I feel really bad for her because I feel like she doesn't want to get hurt. She's been fighting that this entire time. And now we're going to see her finally open up. Open up. I know. It's like the best and the worst week for her to do it.

Yeah. Um, they go into their date. They do the sonotes. A little triggering for Joey But for this for you, Joe She breaks her jaw Almost breaks her jaw Yeah, that was crazy Yeah Have you ever jumped off of

Something like high And had a bad landing? No Have you ever jumped off something high period Into water? Like not super high Okay I have

Like a diving board I've jumped off I've done like some cliff jumping Nothing crazy Yeah The highest diving board have jumped off of it was probably like 10 15 feet so like probably that's probably the same definitely no you doubt I will be shocked if you jumped off of anything that's 10 feet or higher

I definitely have jumped off something that's 10 feet or higher okay well I'm assuming that what they jumped off of was that like 15 feet oh I thought that was like 30 really yeah well either way if you land poorly like the impact against water is extremely painful it feels like you're hitting concrete. Yeah, yeah. Like the higher you are and the faster you fall and the worst you land. I watched it again. I went back and watched how she fell and she like piked her upper body, which like the,

if you're jumping off something, you want to stay as straight as possible. Like you want to be a pencil going into the water for the least impact. She piked her upper body as she was landing and like her, it was like her feet hit, her legs hit, her hips hit, and then her chin whacked. Yeah. I'm sorry she didn't get knocked out from it. No. Like knock off her equal.

I mean her what Equilibrium That is a thing That's a word Fucking Google it That is a word You don't think I was saying it correctly

I don't think you're using it correctly That that could be I could be wrong But no If she had broken her jaw I would have been absolutely shocked I think she just kind of like smashed it a little bit

Yeah she put on a brave face She like refused to See help See how I would have I would have laid straight back and be like Take me to the hospital Yeah you would have you would have been like get me in a stretcher Neck race I feel like to add bills and get the lawyers would have done the job Yeah, but I also feel like you just your jaw something you don't really want to mess around with

No at all so if there's something is wrong Especially before going in the fantasy suites oh my gosh anyways Anyways so they go to the hospital it's like a whole thing but I think it's good for her to almost like have forced vulnerability. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like I genuinely think she needed something like that

to like let him in and let him comfort her. Because like you're injured. You don't have a choice. You have to kind of let them take care of you. Yeah. Did you ever have the ambulance or doctors called on you at all when you were on the show? Any of the times you went on it?

No. You never had to see the medic or anything? Oh yeah. I had to see the medic. Yeah. Oh, when you were sick in parridden. Yeah. I called the medic on you for you. Yeah, some bunch of times. I had, I was punched in the face on my season on one of the dates. It was like a boxing date. And I got hit like square in the face. But that was just like a two Advil move on situation. I had a stronger relationship with the medic than I did with you at the beginning. You did. You did. You knew a lot about the medics and about the team that was helping take care of us. You came back from those visits with a ton of information. I feel very safe in paradise. now knowing everything that you've told me about the medic stop.

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yeah she was like upset the night before because obviously she's been cheated on in the past so she's really holding it together quite well but I can imagine fantasy sweets as much as she's like I understand like I'm not freaking out about you like having these overnights with other people it's like probably still very triggering for her Well, yeah, if you're someone that's, that cheating is a big deal, which it is for most people.

Yeah. But if you've experienced that this situation is as close to feeling like they're cheating on you as it's going to get. Yeah. It's like you have to be okay with being kind of cheated on. Yeah. Well, even if like nothing happens, it's still like off camera intimate time with someone else. 100%. So it's like even if it's just emotional intimate.

like it still feels probably really weird. I'm going to be honest, I didn't feel super strong chemistry between them on the state. And I think going from Rachel to Kelsey A, I was like, I don't think it's going to be Rachel. I agree. And then we go to Kelsey A and we see the Leslie Kelsey talk, which the Leslie Kelsey talk, I was like, this is going to throw her way off. Yeah, change the topic to literally anything else other than Leslie getting heartbroken by Gary. Yeah, Luz is like, well, Gary told me a lot of things that he lied about. Yeah.

And then she's like, don't, you know, stay hopeful, but also keep your guard fully up until he's down on me. And it's like, no. And that's what I'm saying. Like, I do think, like, I think it would be better to have someone that ended up a success on that at the end. Yeah, but I also think there's something to say for like Susan who like comes on and she's, you know, it didn't work out for her. but she's like living her best life and she learned and grew so much from the experience and she has a very positive feeling

towards the experience. Yes, I agree. You need that. You need something that's extremely positive. I think Susan was a good fit because she made amazing friendships. Her and Gary actually had a really amazing friendship that she values and like I just think she has positive outlook

and energy towards the show. For sure. Whereas Leslie had such a heartbreaking ending. I think she's still sitting in that a little bit and for her to come and be like it may not work out you may get heartbroken and you should not open up your heart to love yeah i was like no leslie but it's okay and you can tell kelsey's like handling it well in the moment but like in this environment like i'm like watching me like she is gonna spiral there's no way this is not going to send her into a deep dark spiral and watching it right

now to me kelsey's joey's number one so i'm like the only way that i i think joey doesn't pick her is if she spirals and loses it. Yeah, and he's already got a lot of insecurity surrounding someone not choosing him and leaving or not loving him fully or back. And like that combination with Kelsey's potential futileling about her own insecurities is like toxic and detrimental potentially to the relationship. Yeah. If it spreads.

Like if they contain it, it's fine. But like if they let that run wild, that could be a huge problem. for the relationship for sure um but we do then see Kelsey you know she's saying like I love Joey and you know I'm optimistic I'm hopeful but Leslie literally says like be careful I wish I hadn't felt so confident um and it's just kind of like making Kelsey realize that she could actually get heartbroken at the end of this and then we go to the date portion yep yacht date so freaking windy yeah the wind's going crazy I'm surprised we could hear them to be honest but very cute they like are yachting and they're swimming with stingrays and honestly i mean this is

also just part of kelsey's personality so like i feel like it shines through so much because she has this like warm positive outgoing personality she's like very bubbly but like it's just like so strong their connection it seems like as a viewer yeah i agree i think like i think they like i literally wrote like they are in love with each other yeah and they're so cute and she said she said she says it this time too right and she like throws it out there like and he's like jesus she's going to throw it out yeah she's like yeah i told my dad that i love you so yeah joey i do love you like out of nowhere like she doesn't set it up like he doesn't give her an in she just says it out of nowhere which was so cute i think he was taken off guard and then he

ended up saying that he's falling in love with her which is the first time we've heard him say that right he didn't he didn't say it to rachel no he did not say it to rachel i think he kind of had said it to Daisy but not like as clearly as he said it to Kelsey in this moment yeah um but yeah I love them together she her connection with him is probably my favorite at this point and I feel like early on in charity season you and I were like oh like Dodd and charity are in love they're obsessed with each other and I haven't really had that feeling this season with Joey as much but now I feel that way about Kelsey and him I felt that way about him and Kelsey when I saw at that bar when they were at the bar whatever it was in spain i think no it was in jasper

oh okay when they had like the bar date that's yeah that's kind of when i when i thought that yeah but yeah and then we are on to daisy and daisy has a conversation i know daisy has a conversation with sandra Sandra Sandra's so sweet she's been on this podcast a few times she's so sweet um their conversation anything really much happening there no she just kind of same as um susan said like you know you got to open up and put your heart out there and that kind of seems to be something that daisy's been struggling with too i do feel like daisy um is getting there though more than i i have seen from her yes i think this episode her her feeling feelings, like she really opens up about her feelings and their connection and relationship really takes a big step forward.

Yeah. Yeah. I would say this is the first time I've been like, oh, Daisy does really like Joey. Yeah. And their connection is like I'm seeing it. Like I feel like they've been talking a lot about it. He's been talking a lot about it. But this is the first time I'm like, okay, yeah, I see the relationship there.

Yeah. And for her sake, like, I'm sure there's a lot between Daisy and Joey off camera that we must. we may not be privy to so like you know we may also just think like you know i was saying kelsey a has this really bubbly personality when she's around joey and she's giddy and she's smiley and i think daisy is just more chill like she just oh see no i don't i i i think daisy is the same i think she really yeah i i don't i don't have i just it's not when she's with joey that i think that way it's more when i watch her interview and she's She always seems to, in her interviews, she always kind of seems to be like a little more hesitant on talking about how she feels about him and her feelings.

Gotcha. Whereas Kelsey, you feel like is more like, I love him, I love him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And then we go into the date with Joey and Daisy and they go ATVing. That's fun.

That's a fun day. Yeah. It's always a fun day. And she does say that she. Have you ever been ATVing? I have been ATVing. Yeah. Have you?

No. Really? I don't think so. I went a few times when I was younger. I haven't been in like years. I have a really funny picture of my grandma on an ATV. Oh, really? Yeah, I'll show it to you.

But yeah, they are falling for each other. Daisy says she's in love with him, but hasn't told him yet. She actually said she's like a huge adrenaline junkie. And Joey says he loves like her sense of adventure, which I feel like is a side of her that we haven't seen yet. No, but it makes sense. But it makes sense, totally. And yeah, we're getting some cuts to Kelsey at home, freaking out. Yeah, freaking.

I wonder why. Yeah, I wonder why. Jeez. So. I mean, here's the thing. Do we? It's just so sad. Like, Daisy's freaking ATVing around the woods with Joey, like, fallen in love.

And Kelsey's freaking out in her bedroom at home. Yeah. Yeah. So, Daisy's saying a lot of, like, strong things. Like, she's like, he makes. makes me feel whole he's changed my life I'm like whoa shit like I feel like this is really progressed in this day portion but she's thrown a lot out there she eventually tells him he loves her or she loves him yeah and he says he's falling in love do you believe it yeah I believe it okay do you believe it kind of him or her her yeah yeah I don't know. I think she feels it.

I think she feels in love with him. Yeah. Well, like I said, this is the first, I feel like this is the first time I'm buying into Daisy really being into Joey. Right. So it just feels, it feels kind of quick. I don't know. I feel like we're in the minority. I think a lot of other people see it.

I think it's been a slower progression with Daisy than Kelsey. But I think that she has caught up quickly. I think a big part of it was him meeting her family. She's now had three weeks of consistent time with him because she had the one-on-one. She had her second one-on-one and then she had the hometown and then she's had the fantasy suite.

So I think she's feeling like really reassured probably. Yeah, and maybe maybe for Daisy because she did say a big thing is her family and like her family's approval over Joey. So I mean it could literally be just that. Like she needed Joey to meet her parents and her family and he did and it went well so now she's kind of like more she's all in now yes I think it just feels fast for us and like where your hesitancy probably comes from as well as

mine is you know the week before hometown she was like I like you but like I'm not in love with you and they had that very like real conversation about where she was at with her feeling and that's what I thought we were going to get now she's like I'm in love with you yeah it was a big jump in two weeks yeah and I still thought we were going to get more of that on this episode and like we didn't yeah yeah because even going into hometown she was like if my family doesn't approve like it's over and like I have a lot of questions and like she still seemed to be kind of like doubting things but now I feel like she's really let herself fall and she's kind of like throwing those walls down she's all in yeah okay so this is the first time and I can't even remember

when that we have three successful fantasy suites yeah all three of them went really well there was no drama between Joey and any of the women there's no drama between the women themselves it was just like a very smooth fantasy suite yeah now we have one one hiccup and we see security footage of Joey walking up to his not the security security footage. I was like, where's the camera crew? Yeah. To his room and there is a note written. Um, do we know what's written by? Yes. Yeah. Okay. So there's a note written says we need to talk. Um, and it's from Kelsey. Yes. And we as viewers know that Kelsey is spiraling after her chat with Leslie. She's freaking out. And it seems to be that she just wants to talk to Joey for reassurance. and to kind of ease her nerves. Yeah, but here's... And I think it's hard.

Like, when you're in a relationship with someone, she is in love with him. She's, like, been kind of all in for a few weeks now, it feels like. And she's like, you know, typically when you're having insecurities or struggles in a relationship, you just, like, call the person. You can talk to them, like, right away. And not having that access is also probably very hard.

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Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. Yeah, but it's, so I think anyone can relate and knows this to be true that when you're in a relationship with someone and your partner says we need to talk, it's usually not just a chill, let's just talk about our feelings. It's a, we need to talk. You fucked up. Yeah, no. It was actually horrendous wording on her part. Like all the things she could have written.

I think she was maybe trying to just be like cute and frank and like Joey, we need to talk, Kelsey. Like I need to talk to you. Well, that if that was her objective, she should have put like a heart or a butterfly or something on there. Yeah. I don't know. Like I have no idea what persuaded her to use those words. But I feel like she could. Yeah, what would you have written?

We got to talk real quick. The exact same thing. But we got to talk real quick. That doesn't sound good either. No, what I would have said, I would have probably wrote, um, care for our, um, come to my room. I don't know. Actually, I don't know.

What could you've said? I don't know. I'm honestly, I guess just like, Joey, I'm really missing you. Can we, can we have a. a quick talk or like even that though even that i guess there's kind of no way to say i don't know can we talk um yo let me holler at you for a second nope nope definitely not that one maybe like hey when you have some time can you come visit me um i guess it doesn't give any sense of urgency though it's like what about what about what about uh we we need to talk all good though all good things

or like hey I need to talk to you nothing to worry about like some sort of like just want to get a few things off my chest yeah or like having a hard time

need to see your face Kelsey that's a good one that's a good one having a hard time need to see your face that is a good one yeah

or just like hey I'm having a tough time like can we talk yeah like well she she said she didn't do it she didn't do any of those things

she didn't do it And Joey was the worst person to get that because now it's like everything that he has been worried about this entire season seems to potentially be coming true. Yeah. And he's got like one major stress point. And it's that someone he cares about is going to reject him. And I think it's, I mean, my guess is that Rachel's going home because he did say I'm falling in love with you to Daisy and Kelsey. And I think he has very strong connections with both of them. And I think him and Rachel have a good connection,

but I just don't know if it's where the other two are. So with that prediction in mind, he's like one of my two strongest connections potentially could be leaving right now. And he's going to freak out. Going home before fantasy suites sucks. Going home after fantasy suites has to kind of be like, the worst yeah because it's like wow he really just got to see like all of who i am and he didn't like it i don't know if you just say that that he didn't like it well no that's obviously he got to

see all of me and still i'm not enough for him yes but at the end of the day like we're phrasing it in a horrible way yeah it's really at the end of what we do on this podcast well we're just you know. But at the end of the day, it just comes down to he has stronger connections other people. But I can imagine that's how it would feel. You're never, you get so much time with them. You're so vulnerable. And it's like that week to go home, I feel like would hurt like more than anything. Yeah. I know final two is like a hard one. But like at least at that point, it's like, you know. I don't think final two is as bad. Yeah. And the reason I don't know, After Fantasy Sweet is a hard week to go home.

The reason I don't because I do think there is something that, like, as much as I think both women want Joey to get down on one knee and ask them to marry them, I think there has to be a little part of them that are kind of like a little relieved, like, oh shit, that would have been crazy. I don't know if people feel that way. I think that you would feel that way. I think it's for the best that you went home night one. Well, what I'm saying is I think you could still be like all in, but there could be a little percentage of you that is kind of like, oh, wait, like when you're getting ready for the engagement, there has to be a part of you that like that kicks back to the real world where you're like, oh shit, like I'm about to get engaged. Well, I think how I would feel is, okay, I'm heartbroken, but this is such a big risk and a big decision to make, getting a. engaged to someone in this amount of time people do it and it's successful for sure but like there's still it's still faster than the average relationship oh yeah and i'd be like if it's not

me and he's not certain about me like i'm relieved he didn't propose to me because we've seen it where people propose and they switcherooie and go with the other girl or they propose and it doesn't work out like right away so i'd be like you know i want him to be sure and if he's not sure that i'm glad that he didn't take the engagement from me just for it to not work out. And what a better way to get over a heartbreak than becoming the lead and having 30-something guys chase after you.

And most likely it's usually that, well, actually not true. It hasn't really been like this, but people love Daisy if it's not her. And I would say, in my opinion, if it's not Daisy, and she gets her heartbroken at the end, I don't see how she's not the Bachelorette.

Wow, we're thinking Bachelorette predictions now, aren't we? I'm just going to throw it out there. My opinion, yeah, I don't see a world where it's not. Maybe. I mean, she's Mrs. Claus. And Mrs. Claus needs a Santa Claus. Tagline. Tagline, tagline.

Sometimes I talk and I just like, I'm like, you're inspired, Joe. You're the worst. Well, this is what we leave on. Joey gets a note from Kelsey, thermo spiraling. Rachel's jaw is fine. She's chilling, feeling good. Daisy, Joey said he's falling in love with her.

She's feeling amazing. She's feeling better than I've seen her feel in weeks. Girls on top of the world. And Joe thinks Daisy's going to be the next pet charrette. And Joe thinks Daisy is going to be the next Bachelorette. I'm going to say it here now. I'm always so much more hesitant to make predictions than you are. Well, because if I'm wrong, who cares?

Yeah, I guess that's true. Like, literally what does it matter? Yeah, it doesn't make a difference. Okay. Honestly, fun episode. I really enjoyed speaking with you, Serena. Oh, I thank you. You're welcome.

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