Bachelor Happy Hour - Feeling Golden with Rachel Nance | Golden Hour

Episode Date: April 10, 2024

Today on Golden Hour, Kathy and Susan are chatting with Rachel from Joey’s season, and Rachel is sharing all her post-show updates. From really feeling the warmth of Bachelor Nation’s love to how she navigated the hate, and of course all things Joey, we’re getting it all. Plus, Rachel, Susan and Kathy chat about all things dating: Rachel’s dating life pre-Joey, what’s to come, and of course some Golden advice from Kathy and Susan. Tune in now to hear all this and more and be sure to follow so you never miss an episode.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We are excited to be back, right, Kathy? We are. And Susan, I got to say, if all of you out there have not done it yet, you're more than late to the game. You've got to go and follow our podcast so that you never miss an episode. Just search for Bachelor Happy Hour in the podcast app and hit the follow button. For Golden Hour, please do it so we can talk to you and find out what's going on in your world. But today we're so excited, especially excited. We have a very, very, very special guest.

and you know her and love her from Joey's season of The Bachelor. Hi, Rachel. Hi, guys. Welcome to the podcast. What's going on in your world right now? You know, just busy, busy with work and kind of navigating after everything, but it's been fun and created at the same time. Do you love it?

I have to love your experience. I do. I do. Obviously, it all came out of nowhere and trying to navigate my career at top of everything happening post-show. but I mean it's I'm enjoying every moment of it honestly you know it was so special for me rachel to be able to sit with you and really really get to know you I think the world had something to say about it as well and they were all beautiful beautiful things I love you like

one of my own I really do um my mom when she watched it she goes you and auntie susan you guys connected hon I said we did in a big way a big way I was like she's family my mom's like oh she just It seems like she has the best energy, you know, like she does. She's amazing. I would love to meet your family. Oh, you want one day. And then our reunions of like women's hell all after the final verse. And they're always in these big places with lots of people.

I want you one-on-one. I really do. We got to go for coffee or a meal or a cocktail. And Kathy, we'll join that one. Rachel, I'm going to have to join in on somebody. Can I come to? You're always invited. Thank you.

So I want to know you just alluded at the top of the show here. about life after the show. It's a check-in for you. How are you doing post-show? What's going on? Yeah, I mean, things have definitely gotten better for me since I was getting that hate that I spoke about at the reunion. Things have definitely calmed down.

The support and love has been just, I didn't expect all the support to finally, I guess, drown out all the hate. So it's been very nice. Which is a perfect statement. Yeah. We get so much love. But one negative or,

10 negatives seem to weigh on us so much more than all the love. Yeah. You got to focus only on the love. And you know what? We get it too. Yeah. I have to say, Rachel, you intimated that it was some racial slurs coming your way. I mean, I said zip it.

And, you know, I have paid dear, I know really, right? Zip it for that. But honestly, Susan and I've talked a lot about this, what does it feel like? For us, it's just, you try to ignore it, but it's hard. It's hard. I mean, it's definitely easier to ignore the comments like, oh, you're boring or like Joey doesn't like you. Those are obviously way easier. But when it comes to-

They said Joey doesn't like you? Are they Joey? I mean, how do you people say these things? But also, that's why it's funny because that's just them speculating off of an episode or off of me being shown for five minutes, you know? So those were obviously easy to ignore, but when it comes to things talking about just my culture, my family, or my skin color, things like that,

it can be hard to ignore. But my dad's always taught me to never use discrimination as a crutch, and I've never wanted that to be a reason to get sympathy from other people, but it just made me stronger as a person and just kind of realize that that's someone's flaw, that someone's person who doesn't let you a woman. finally at the high road. Good for you. Sure. For sure. So, you know, you talk about, we all know that, you and Joey definitely had a connection. And he's now classified as one of your exes, but. Yeah, do tell us. Come on. We want to know what all of your exes have in common. Like, what's the, what is the trait that sort of runs? Come on. Good question. Great. I don't know, because I mean, Joey's kind of like the favorite ex right now, right? Like, there was, There was no, you know, animosity.

There was no wrong doing on either side. It was just the end of our journey. And that's like the beautiful part about it. But my ex is separate from Joey. Do they have anything in common? Anybody that you've dated. Sorry? They cheated.

Oh, and he was doing it right in front of your face. But that was allowed, right? That's okay. That's not cheating, Susan. That's called dating on a TV show. Oh, wow. So they all cheated? How did you find out? So two of, I'm trying to brush it. So I would say I had three serious relationships. They're great. I mean, separate from my dating, they're amazing people. I never want to talk about an ex. I think cheating is obviously a personal choice. So that's on them for what they did. But I remember the one ex I had who I swear I was going to marry, like love of my life, first love. He was asleep. sleeping over my house, which is a huge thing for my family.

And my parents are like, he can sleep over, just don't stay in the same bed. Oh, never, never, never. He went to be downstairs in the living room, but it was. Sure he did. If you're watching, we kept it PG, don't worry. It's your parents' house, you have to. I know. You respect that. I get it.

Yes, exactly. But I got a brand new phone and I asked him, and I was like, oh, can I text my new phone? I don't think it's working. And I've never looked in someone's phone before. I just never been a part of me and something in the back of my head, maybe it was my woman intuition. Yes.

He was like telling me is like, just look at a text message. So I opened up his messages, there was like two unsafe numbers and the text were like, oh, he looks so good, when can I see you next? Or something like that.

Ouch. And so I just, I ignored it. And then something else told me, just look at his Instagram. I was like, okay, I've never done that. I went on his Instagram, and I went in his messages, and it was a girl that I knew of who they were.

seeing each other having some good times but doing the deeds wow he's amazing his family's amazing i'm so very close to this family it's a you know we're civil okay pause pause pause pause you're still giving him kudos for effing around on you and not telling you the truth i'm sorry that's not okay wait a minute excuse me you're the one that's always saying i want to i want to crucify them and you're always like oh kaffy let it go yeah that's why i'm saying don't forgive him No, you're always saying forgive. Rachel, you're doing the right thing. Forgive him.

It'll make you happier. It's about you. I forgive him for what he did. At the end of the day, if it was meant to be, it wouldn't have happened. I learned a lot about valuing myself and my family through that time and kind of knowing what I deserve. It was a tough time for me, but we're both civil. I respect him. He respects me.

We respect our families. But yeah, I got just one of the heartaches. There's two other ones, but kind of traumatic. I just feel like it's just. It's okay. How old were you? How old were you? You said it was your first love. How old were you? So we started dating senior year of high school. And then we were together through college. And then we were on and off for, I think, two or three years after that. So from like 17 to 20.

Can I just say you sound exactly like my daughter. She dated. Call me. Sorry? Tell her to call me. Oh, she's married now with an almost one-year-old daughter. Oh, never mind. Don't call me. She is married the best man in the world. If he had a brother, I'd set him to you up. amazing he is amazing but that same thing happened to her and i asked her so i have to ask you do you feel like um that you wasted i don't like the word waste because i don't think any experience is a waste of time but do you feel like you missed out on some of the college

experiences because you dated him during college oh absolutely not i think um i'm so grateful to the relationship i had with him because it was just a pure If we're separating the cheating, it was so pure in a sense of, like, you know, when we first started dating, we didn't have jobs, but he would always provide and, like, take me on dates and pay for my meals and open my door. A gentleman. He was a gentleman, and so I can learn a- A cheating gentleman, but a gentleman, okay. But one of the things that Rachel and I talked about in Mexico was you being able to trust again. Obviously, it caused some trust issues with you.

and for you to be able to open up to Joey and give him your whole self. Yeah, yeah. And I also, I did speak with Susan about this. I've been in a relationship that was abusive as well. So my track record, I mean, it went from my first love in high school. He cheated on me. I was like, okay, it happens.

And I went into an abusive relationship. And so I really struggled with, I thought I trusted the right people. And then they would always kind of, like, it would bite me in the butt at the end. But then when I went on the show and I met, Joey, and even though he wasn't my person, the friendship that we had really taught me that I can open up to somebody and I can see anybody and trust somebody and they can treat me well. So I'm still working on that. I think I finally reached a point where I know what I deserve. Isn't that a beautiful thing that you got to walk away with, right? So you're very close with

your family, as you said. And I know most girls, I did look up to my dad. And I know you do to yours. What what qualities in your dad? Like what would you like to find in a guy that your dad possesses? You know, what qualities? Yeah. I mean, besides the fact that he treats

my mom like an absolute queen. That's enough right there for me. Treat me like a queen. Yeah. Does he have a brother? I'm always asking the same question. My dad comes from a family. There's

14. 13 kids? 14 kids? Yeah, he has nine sisters and... Holy smokes. Wow. I know, I'm sorry. He comes from a huge family.

I come from a huge family. So, I guess his, the respect he has for his sister just really shows, you know, with how he treats my mom. And he's a girl dad. He has three daughters, me and my other two sisters. So the example he's set for me of just how patient he has with my mom and how he listens to her. And just the, I guess in a traditional sense, he's just such a provider and a protector of her.

And he also doesn't take away from her light as an independent and strong woman. You know what's so beautiful that she is recognizing all this. Nobody told her this. That's right. She's learned that. She's watched that growing up. And there's so many people out there that come from broken families or abusive families. And they don't get to have what you just said.

That's beautiful. And my appreciation from it comes as well, comes from the fact that I, Both my parents were divorced before they met. So I do have a couple half siblings who I obviously consider my whole siblings. And so that dynamic of seeing how they had to navigate through having a child before they met and how we kind of had a blended family

also showed me how strong my dad is and how strong my mom is too. Because they kept us as close as because they just showed love all the time. Obviously, our family isn't perfect. we're kind of crazy and we're loud but one family

did you ever meet the Italians come on that's family that's the definition of family but you know I

I someone told me this once watch how a son treats his mother and that's the guy he's going to treat you the way

he treats his mother so you know there's you can put that one in your little book of what to look for you can't change that red flag

right so I keep saying you can never make a red flag a white flag, ever. Ever. I'm Jemel Hill, host of the Sports and Politics Podcasts,

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Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. So, Rachel, tell me about your work. Oh, so we all know I'm a nurse. Yes. I found new information. I actually had work yesterday. I'm actually so exhausted. But, I mean, I absolutely love it.

It's definitely a passion of mine. I didn't think I would become a nurse. My dad worked in trauma back in Hawaii at one of the major hospitals there. So I kind of grew up just hearing his stories and he would show me pictures. And I was like, wow, that's so cool. but I hated school. Like I did math and science. I hope you like science.

Nurtzing school's hard. I know that. It's hard. My niece is going through it. Oh yeah. You did tell me that. But real quick, I have to interrupt. You just pronounced Hawaii, pal you.

I'm reading this book that a client, not a client, a woman that I renewed her vows. And it's called Aloha. And I knew Aloha was hello and goodbye. It has several other means. Several meanings. I never knew that. Yeah, there's love. And also, like, because ha, the word ha, H.A. Yes. Like, it's the breath of life, right? And so that's also why we call, like, foreigners, people who come to Hawaii, we call them Howley. But it's spelled like, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. It's in the book. I know. I love this.

I want to ask so I want to that is that's really interesting but I since you know we're talking about dating and God knows I need as much help as I can get I want to know Rachel would you ever date someone in the workplace a doctor that was my question since you're in the hospital nurses and doctors do a lot of you yeah are you comfortable with that or is it because it's so big that people wouldn't know or how do you feel about it? Um, I, what is that saying? Don't, don't eat. Don't, don't shit where you sleep. Something like that, right? I'm thankfully because I'm a travel nurse. I'm usually at one hospital for three months and I move on. So it's not the worst thing in the world.

But I also love that when I go to work, it's my place. It's my space. I'm doing what I enjoy. I don't have to think about my partner being there. But I would date someone who's in the same, I guess, career field. line of work, right? Yeah, I think that's something to talk about, I guess. How about any fears going back into the dating world?

And what is something about love that scares you? I'm not terrified about love. I love being in love. I think everyone loves to be in love. Everyone wants to know that someone loves them. I think it's such a beautiful part of life. And that's how the world goes around in a sense. But I mean, I'm not scared of love.

but I am nervous, and Cardenby's nervous to get back into dating because I don't know that people would think me being on a dating show. To have a whole new impression of you, right, right, right, right. Maybe if they watch a show, they'll realize that I just am complete the same on TV and off TV. But I'm really open to anything. I just hope people know that my standards may make me look picky, but I'm just not. Never settle, Rachel. Yeah.

Never settle. That's so important that she just said that because my. standards after being on the show. Now I'm being really true to myself. Before, like, you always tease me about the red flag and I make it yellow and slide through and realize how many months later I'm not happy, but

now I know. Very good. And then there's me who never settles and then I wonder why I can't get a date, you know, because I'm looking for perfection all the time. But I want to ask you, Rachel, so obviously Susan and I were on the Golden Bachelor and we were the first ones to

do that show. So we don't have the years of experience that the younger bachelor and bachelorette's have. So I want to know, I know you have a lot of good friends from, from Joey, you know, from the other shows. But what couple is your idea of a really good relationship, the relationship goals that you'd like to meet? I absolutely love Serena and Joe. Yes. I mean, who does? They're adorable. Also, I'm so new to this whole bachelor nation. I'm slowly starting to learn about every. everybody. So my best friends were kind of educating me on bachelor nation. But when I finally met Serena and Joe, they are just so sweet, me, and pure. And I think some people are skeptical of this

process and of this whole idea of being on reality show to date. But when you look at Surina and Joe, I mean, it's just so apparent that it can work. It works. And the maturity level that you're at when you go into this. So, yeah. Rachel, you shared with me that you weren't allowed for your hometown to go to your actual hometown. Tell me what a hometown date in Hawaii would have been like. That would have been nuts. I like it. Now, not just any date.

We want to hear the perfect dream date, Rachel. Perfect dream day in Hawaii. Okay, so my favorite place on my island is the North Shore. So I would have loved to go to my favorite beach, which is sunset. I used to skip school and go there all the time. And I would go to this, there's this sandwich top that's just nostalgic for me. And it's also on the North Shore. So I would have spent the whole day there.

And it's very grounding when you go to a place that you were actually raised because that's just a huge part of who you are. Yeah, your roots. Yeah, it's your roots. And Hawaii being so beautiful and so rich, kind of like a melting pot, I guess, of the Pacific. I just wanted to immerse him in that. But I also wanted him to come to my house that I was raised in because I was home. homeschooled all the way to high school. So my classroom, like my little classroom is there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all still there. I was homeschooled as there and like all those things. So there's obviously more I would have loved to do. But I think just showing him more of who I am would have been great in Hawaii. Wow. Wow. That's nice. I did not know that you were homeschooled.

No one done. I don't. I mean, I thought I did. I know Susan. I know Susan. I did. I love her. Yeah.

I would tell people like, oh, I was homeschooled. They're like, but you're so social. Like, yeah. So I was in education for 36 years. So it's very, that's why I'm asking. It's very interesting. Heather, did you like being homeschooled? I mean, I think my experience of homeschooled was different than I think in the mainline, like how they do it.

Because sometimes the in-between class, we'd go to the beach and we'd kind of like just walk across. Really? Really? Hello? Experience. Can I dive? Is it a bluesy? Schools can be experiential, Susan. Yes. Would you homeschool your kids?

I would be open to it, but I'm also very much a career type of woman. So, I mean, if I had time to somehow do both with my future partner, then maybe. But I also loved my mom through me into public school at the best time. And I met such amazing people and, like, my best friend I met in public school. So I also think there's great experiences to be having. add when you go into a school with more students. When you were being homeschooled, did you feel like you were not having enough friends or missing out on something or you didn't realize it then?

I didn't realize it then because, A, my cousins went to public school. And in Hawaii, like, we would go to high school events with them, like, their games. And our family is so huge. I always thought I was around hundreds of people all the time. That's also why my social skills were great. And my mom would, when we were younger, if we went out to restaurants or the grocery store, she'd have us go talk to, like, the, the, the waitress by myself. She's like, go speak. You're fine.

So, no, I think I did you have to order the cold cuts by yourself? I have to order. I mean, my mom used to have me a call from my own dentist appointment when I was, like, eight years old. Wow. She really taught you. But Rachel, look at you. You're strong and you're independent and you know what you want. So you know what?

Your mother did the right thing, in my opinion. I think it's great. My parents did it. I mean, my parents did it right. They used to have me fill out check. when I was really young, too, and like a tax paper. So they really taught my sister and I found, like, the foundation that we needed. So when I did public school, I thought public school was a breed because I was like my parents pretty much.

Yeah, because you knew everything. Kudos to your mom and dad. So your family clearly, clearly is important to you. And we saw on Joey's season how important your family's culture is to you. I'm curious, regardless of who you marry, what of those traditions would you want to bring into your marriage? because I know when I got married, I was very young, but my husband and I each had family traditions from our own separate families that we try to incorporate.

What ones would you want to bring with you? I mean, definitely the traditional greeting that everyone that went crazy about, right? Joey nailed that. He did. He did amazing. But it's also things that you don't see on camera, you know, things that my mom taught me, you know,

when you're sleeping next to someone who's older than you, make sure your head is below them. It's just a kind of respect that you're younger than that. I'm, whoa, what? When you're sleeping, you have to be lower? Yes, when I've seen next to my sister, my mom would go, oh, oh, honey, no, go lower because you're, you're, show respect to your sister. Susan, can I just explain how this is going to work for you and me?

You're taller than me. No, no, no, not you and I sleep together. When we find a, when we find a guy, he's always taller. Our heads are going to be through the headboard. We're going to be that old. It's not about heighty's my age. Wait, here's a good one. Rachel, do you have any questions for Kathy and I about love?

love or relationships. So many because I know you guys have had, you know, you have all this experience ahead of me. And, you know, you guys being, I guess, quote, older, you know, it just makes you 10 times. Oh, you don't have to put quotes around it. Golden. You don't have to put quotes around it.

Because I wouldn't continue you guys older. I think age is just all about wisdom. And I think there's something so wonderful about, you know, I just have such a respect for you guys. Thank you. Knowing that you've, you've been through things that I can't even imagine. I can't even fathom. So I guess I would ask you, how would you both define love or true love?

Wow. One of the things, going back for a second because you hit a good point. My mother's girlfriends would try to give me advice and stuff when I was younger, like, you know, 20. You don't listen to that. Even though we do have wisdom and experience, whatever we say is not going to be. And you could hear it, but you have to live it. But you know what? Yes.

I would agree with that, but Rachel, I think when you say you have so many questions, I think some people are more open than others to just hearing what we have to say. And then when they're with another person in a relationship, something might spark, something, you know, Kathy and Susan said, I think that's what it's about. I don't know, but I want to hear your answer to question. I'm a hopeless romantic, much like yourself. I'm in love with being in love. I wear my heart on my sleeve. That will never change because that's being true to myself. That's who I am.

I don't know. For me, love, to me, it sounds like something out of a poetry book, but for me, love is that feeling that I don't want to spend another day by myself. I want that person to experience things with me. I want to share things. You know, the best friend, finding your best friend, someone that, you know, I'm in the last chapter of my life. It's going to last about 50 years.

The best chapter. The best chapter. But I wanted to be the best chapter with someone. And I think that love looks a little different as you get older. But I believe in love. I never envision being with a woman. I'll just be honest. I'm Jamel Hill, host of the Sports and Politics Podcasts, Spolitics.

On this week's episode, I'm joined by Basketball. legend, Candice Parker, who stops by to discuss her candid new book, The Can Do Mindset, in which she shares why she waited two years into marriage to come out. Like when I close my eyes at night, every night, I was like, I need to find my prince charming. Like, it was never a princess. Like, that never entered into my mind. But, you know, as I learned, sometimes life gives you things wrapped in a package that you didn't expect it. And that was just, you know, and honestly, it took me a long time to be okay

with myself. Make sure to listen to this week's episode of Spolitics on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Have you ever wished for a change but weren't sure how to make it? Maybe you felt stuck in a job, a place, or even a relationship. I'm Emily Tish Sussman, and on she pivots, I dive into the inspiring pivots. of women who have taken big leaps in their lives and careers. I'm Gretchen Whitmer, Jody Sweeten, Monica Patton, Elaine Welterah. I'm Jessica Voss.

And that's when I was like, I got to go. I don't know how, but that kicked off the pivot of how to make the transition. Learn how to get comfortable pivoting because your life is going to be full of them. Every episode gets real about the why behind these changes and gives you the inspiration and maybe the push to make your next pivot. Listen to these women and more on She Pivots, Now on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The U.S. Open is here.

And on my podcast, Good Game with Sarah Spain, I'm breaking down the players from rising stars to legends chasing history. The predictions will we see a first time winner and the pressure. Billy Jean King says pressure is a privilege, you know. Plus, the stories and events off the court and, of course, the honey deuses, the signature cocktail of the U.S. Open. The U.S. Open has gotten to be a very fan. see wonderfully experiential sporting event. I mean, listen, the whole aim is to be accessible and inclusive for all tennis fans, whether you play tennis or not.

Tennis is full of compelling stories of late. Have you heard about icon Venus Williams' recent wild card bids? Or the young Canadian, Victoria Mboko, making a name for herself? How about Naomi Osaka getting back to form? To hear this and more, listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain, an I-Heart women's sports production in partnership with deep blue sports and entertainment on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Since we're generations apart here, and you've got all this experience ahead of you, and I am a phone call away from holding your hand through anything that you're about to walk through. I just want you to know that. Oh, I'll be calling you, don't you worry, Aunt.

I know you will. Let's do the generation. Gap game. Wait, Rachel, I'm giving you my number two. I'm fully left out here. I'm sorry, Kathy. I call you a problem. She pulls me.

It's a triangle. All right. So what about a little game with Rachel? Okay. Generation Gap. This or that. You ready, Rachel? Generation Gap, this or that.

We're just going to throw out some questions and you're going to pick this one or that one. So here's the first one. Sliding into the DMs or send it an email. I think either or it's about the same thing, isn't it? Yeah, because I mean, I would consider my Gmail, my social media, too. I'm always on it. Yeah, yeah. I guess slide in DMs.

That just feels more immediate to me, the DMs. Yeah. I look at my email before my DMs. I mean, if you email me, you know, it may be three days. It's buried in there, but a DM, it's like blinking at you. Instagram or TikTok. Oh, they're one and the same too now. I'm on the Instagram, I guess.

Yeah. How about you, Kathy? All right. Here's catching up with a friend. Texting or calling. This is my own personal. I'm calling. I prefer to call for anything.

Oh, so do I. But so many younger people, it's all about texting. You can't read emotion in text. Yeah, I think this younger generation, I mean, I'm probably in this younger generation, whatever. But I think it's just so easy so they can. Like, not have, what is the, what is the, what are you going to think of the word? urgency? They're so numb to an actual connection with people, and it's so, they're so quick to text,

they can go about their day. I'd rather sit, see you, feel you, let's discuss what's going on. Which brings to mind the people behind their computers making the negative comments. They're not showing their face. They're hiding behind something. So me, a text is when I don't have time to talk. I can't talk, but da, da, da, da, da, da. or I love you or talk to you later, but a phone call is real.

I just find people have their heads in their phone, you know, on the screen so much. I'm just surprised here you say. I love hearing you say a phone call. I prefer a FaceTime too because I'd rather just see your face. Yeah. Yeah, that's always fun. Oh, Kathy gets me at the worst times too. Susan, are you serious?

You're naked. You're getting out of the shower. Why do you answer the phone? Okay. We were a FaceTime anti-season. Were you eating something? Probably. Yes, I'm always eating.

Susan eating about every two hours. Okay, here's a good one. I got, I got a, I have. Go, go, go, go. This is a thing with Susan and me that we constantly talk about. Dating someone older than you or dating someone younger than you. Older. Either.

I would say older. Well, because you're young. I would say younger because I'm running out of options. I'd go either way. I mean, I think it really depends on the person. dad's younger than my mom um and how much how much younger honestly not that much i think it's like two years but he also through his life experiences my dad just really mature um but i also see guys who are younger than me and they're they're just not there it's just not yeah it hasn't well i think

women mature quicker than men so in your 20s and younger that's the case yeah i totally get that how about ghosting today that's one of my book here we go would you rather break up and have respect and have a conversation or ghost them. What is this ghosting thing? Wait, it's called something else, too. What else do you call it? Oh, I don't know. I just call it.

There's catfish and goat gas lighting. No, that's when they're not. Gaslighting? Gaslighting. I don't know. No, that's. School us. Come on, school us, honey.

I just learned what Riz was. Oh, I actually just learned what it actually was too. Guys, I might be in the same way like this year. No, I'm totally against ghosting. I feel like that's so disrespectful to the person. and you waste their time, at least you could give them five minutes to explain why you don't want to be with them. That's also why DMs are so easy to go, because you can just not respond. You can also and send, you can just delete.

So it's so easy for people to kind of move on nowadays. I mean, at least my last break up with Lvibis, so there was no ghosting there. Everyone saw me get broken up. Well, yeah. So wait a minute. That's another thing. You know, in your general, I don't even know what it's called. Plural dating, like you're dating more than one guy at a time.

Say it again? Ligamy? No, no, no. That's been married to more than one at a time, and we do not subscribe to that. No, no, Rachel, we'll have a class on that later. No, it's like plural dating where you... You date multiple people.

Both of you are dating multiple people in multiple relationships at a time. Oh, I can't do that. I'm greedy. I'm selfish, too. I'm not sharing. I'll share my fries. I can't find one guy.

How am I going to have a plow? Share my man. That's why I told my son the other day. I saw this girl. She's in a thruple. I said, how did you get two? And I... Yeah, can't get one.

Right. Because you know what? The best is being saved for you, Rachel. If you're out there... Give it time. Give it time. Be open to it. Put that energy out there.

But no, seriously, let's talk for one second. When you're reading all these books and talking about people in America, people date multiple people. That's what I was saying. It's called date. dating. I've always had a relationship. Yes. I didn't know how to date. Me too. I mean, obviously, you don't get intimate. I would imagine because if you are, that's crazy if he's going to go be intimate with somebody else. No, that's what I'm talking about. You're having multiple relationships. No double dipping on my watch. I can't do it. Well, I guess I guess that's the final answer there. I mean, would you be okay with that? That's normal now. I just told you I can't find one. She just said that. That's normal, that's what I just said.

Why is that normal? It's normal to me, but I know a lot of people who participate in that hookup culture date. It's just free sex. What's wrong? At least you cycle the numbers and go back to your ex. Like, just. No, you're not going back to your ex, Rachel. We're not having any more cheating.

That's over. It's over. It's over. Not happening. I don't even talk to my exes. They're in the graveyard, so it's fine. Oh, God. So that's the.

next question friends with your ex or cutting it off cold turkey i've cut it off cold turkey completely with all except that one wow yeah okay i'm friends with only because his best friend is my cousin's fiance um and he's back in hawaii so he's very close with my family and i speak with his family so we would just never yeah i know you're going to find this hard to believe rachel Susan is friends with every one of them She's ever had It just makes the most sense

To be honest You know I think it sounds exhausting They all hit me up And said congratulations On the show We watched you We're so happy for you

I love that I love that they think about you still And are messaging you though That's how iconic you are But I'll reach out Every birthday Every holiday I mean I you know

You know the date books Susan's got a binder with Tads, thousands of them. Oh, it's John's birthday. Oh, it's Sam's birthday. Oh, she can't live her life. She's too busy wishing her exes a happy birthday. You know, that calendar in your phone that comes up once a year and reminds you.

All right. Listen, we, we, this has been so great, Rachel. It has been so great having you. You're filled with wisdom for your young years and you are a delight and good things are coming your way and we wish you all the very very best and we're kathy and i both will always be here for you and that does it for today's episode of bachelor happy hours golden hour thanks to our most favorite guest so far rachel we love you we love you we adore you i'm your newest best friend thank you all for joining us and please be sure to follow bachelor happy hour as we have new episodes coming out every week

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