Bachelor Happy Hour - Finding Your Confidence with Jonathan | Golden Hour

Episode Date: January 22, 2025

Today on “Golden Hour,” Kathy and Susan sit down with Jonathan from “The Golden Bachelorette”! We kick things off with a quick catch-up and get right into our question of the day: What does it mean to you to be in your golden years? Then, we get to know Jonathan a little deeper as he talks about navigating life after his divorce, dating, and more. Plus, he helps one of our listeners ask out his dream girl! Tune in now, and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Much better. All the antibiotics are done. I'm freezing here, but it's a good day. You know, Susan and I were both sick. I was sick for literally over a month, and we both single-handedly kept pharmaceutical companies in business. And I personally just want to thank the creators of Z-Pax. Personally, thank them.

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We've been having a lot of fun in this new year, answering your questions and chatting with all you Bachelor Nation fans. And you know what? Don't you think now that it's a new year and, you know, we're well into the new year now? People aren't drinking because, you know, dry January. January. And, you know, fabulous fair February, whatever they do in February. So they have time to listen to us, right? But how about our special guest today? You want to introduce him, Kathy? They're definitely going to be listening to this one. We have one of the heartthrobs of Jones season on the Golden Bachelorette. Please help us welcome Jonathan. Hey, Jonathan. How are you?

Hello, hi. How are you? My gosh, a heartthrob. Are you kidding me? You're looking good, Jonathan. Let me tell you. Well, thank you. How are you? I appreciate that. I'm doing pretty good. Thank you so much.

Your holidays. Everything went well. Yeah, everything went well. Like no snow on the ground here in the Midwest. Just ice, right? Always good, yeah. So wait, you are in, tell me where you are now and where you live and where you're from. You know, I'm writing a book here.

I need the details. Okay. All right. So you want the details. Okay. So I'm originally from Kansas City, Missouri. So that's kind of neighborhood to Wichita, Kansas, where Chalk is from. Where Chalk is, yeah.

And I relocated up here to Omaha, Nebraska, where I work currently. Is that why you relocated because of work? I relocate. Oh, well, so we're going back. Kansas City, I moved up here in Omaha back in 89 to, like, spread my wings as a youngster. And so my mom had relocated up here a few years after I had graduated high school. And so I kind of was helping her out with her move and all that other stuff.

Next thing you know, life happens. And I ended up in Omaha. And so I work in Omaha, Nebraska, and I'm currently living in, Oakland, Iowa, which is about a 40-minute commute east of Omaha. Do you like it up there? In Oakland? Yeah, I mean, I like it. I mean, it's a small community of about maybe 1,500 people, so it's a small, quiet area.

Not very diverse, though, but... So you're not a big city guy? No, I am a big city guy. I'm from Kansas City, Missouri, so I... That's why I'm asking... But you don't live. I'm saying you, but you don't leave. Well, yeah, you know what?

I mean, the only reason I'm in Oakland, Iowa is my kids are there, you know? So my daughter is going to be a senior in high school next year. And then my son will be a freshman in high school next year. So I'm there for at least another five years. Yes, you are, darling. Your kids are young. How is that racing teenagers? You know what?

I mean, everything is good. I mean, when I hear about people having trouble with teenagers, as I don't understand because both of my kids are A-plus students. They're doing well in athletics and all their scholastics and their scholastics and their friendships, and so it's all good. So, you know, I was an educational consultant for 35 years. Oh, okay. So you can call me when it comes time for college.

Oh, okay, perfect. Perfect. I would love to do that. You know, because being, you know, being in Oakland, Iowa and being a single dad, and sometimes, you know, I may have some issues or questions that, you know, I'd need your advice. Call any of us. We were all moms.

What year? I'm sorry, how old is your oldest child? What age school? Okay. daughter is 16, and so she's a junior in high school now. Big time volleyball. Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute.

You're already in the college thing now then. There should be. Yeah, we're pretty close. She's already actually starting to look at prospects for colleges for volleyball. She's a really good volleyball player. And you know what? I don't think I need this. Is she being recruited?

Is she being recruited? Yeah, yeah. She's being recruited. I think she did a summer camp about a year or two years ago. at the University of Iowa. That's where her mother is an alumni. And so she's a big Hawkeye fan. So she went to this Hawkeye summer camp,

and she actually got approached by the head coach of Iowa. Wow. Well, offline, feel free, Jonathan, to reach out to me. I'd be happy to, you know, share my wealth. So we're talking about your daughters. I've got some juicy questions, though. I hear that maybe you're in a relationship. Is this true?

Oh, did you hear that? What I want to know is, Is this a new relationship? Did you know this person before, maybe? Had you met her at a previous time in your life? Tell us. We want the scoop. Okay.

The scoop is, okay, so we're, gosh, on the 17th, it'll be six months. So, uh, wow. So here's the scoop. Okay. I love a man that knows the little anniversary. Oh, yeah. You know, I'm glad. And may I say, since everything on the internet is true, she's beautiful.

But carry on. We want the deep. Oh, well, thank you. Thank you. Yeah. I mean, she definitely stole my heart, that's for sure. So here's the scoop. So, you know, Joan didn't keep me along for the hometown visits.

And so I came back to Iowa with my tail between my legs, so to speak. And, you know, I started this whole journey looking for love, you know. And so when I came back, you know, I was a little dejected. And so I kind of eventually went back online and I was just like swiping and looking. And then I came across Michelle's. pictures and um um she eventually contacted me we connected and uh yeah it's it's it's been a beautiful thing that's beautiful all right which which site were you on let's just say i was stung by a bee a bumble do you know the founder of bumble is a woman and she lives in austin texas her husband started

and i want to say i'm not sure which one maybe hinge and she was like washing women get a vote and so she started Bumble that is true every time I was ever on Bumble and as well Hinge everybody's from New York there was nobody local is she local no no she no yeah I mean you you two are in Sossolito not too long ago right she uh yeah so she's from Sosolito oh that's right I got the message from her yeah so wait a minute what happened what what happened is then

when I when I was on Bumble and I saw a picture I think something about her location or whatever, I think she was in the Midwest, and so that's how I connected with her. And then she discovered that I wasn't from Oakland, California, but I was in Oakland, Iowa. Big difference. Yeah. And so she was originally born in Ames, Iowa. And so that's how we kind of connected. I was like, there's that small possibility. So is one of you moving to the other's neighborhood? You're moving fast, aren't you? Wait, did the girls get along with her? I'm not moving anywhere.

I mean, your kids, girls, and son. Did they get a lot? I've got this five-year, six-year window. Like when my son graduates and both of my kids are kind of off doing the thing, it's like I've got this, you know, this chapter to turn. And, you know, what I'm loving California, but man, it's expensive. Oh, gosh, it sure is. Well, I'm so happy.

You're happy. Oh, yeah, yeah. Thank you. I really appreciate that. I truly am happy. I mean, she's a wonderful woman. She has a wonderful spirit. She has a playfulness that I think we both connect on.

And we just have fun with each other. And that's why I think that's what I love about it. Susan, I'm sitting here speechless because I was going to ask him, would you go to Paradise? I guess you're out. Yeah. She was going to ask if you would go to Bachelor in Paradise, Golden Bachelor in Paradise, if they had one. You're out. I mean, I would go to Bachelor in Paradise.

You can't bring her. You can't bring Michelle. Why? No, no, I didn't say why. I said, you know, if they had me on a, as a cameo to like, you know, give the guy some advice on whatever. Got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, I, okay, so I've been, I'm really serious. I'm very happy that you're happy. It's, you know, everyone who finds love, I'm rooting for that. Oh, yeah, yeah. But I just want to get back to Jones show for a minute. Yeah. Your dancing skills at the, at the, uh, strip, I, you know, call whatever you want. Like, don't.

The fundraiser? Yeah, the fundraiser. Are you telling me? You did well. You did. You looked like you had practice. Previous experience, Jonathan. Do you want to fess up on that?

Come on. You had to have been a dancer. No, no, sure. No, like professionally. No, you just can dance. You've got moves. Yeah, I can dance. You give me a beat.

My body just does things that goes to the beat. It looks good. You had the world watching. Oh, well, thank you. Thank you. Well, I did, I did say, I did say on the, the men tell all that, I did audition once for a male strip venue. Yes. Yes. I remember hearing that. It was almost like the flash dance thing. I walked in with this long Australian riding coat, my high black boots up to my knees, my boom box. And I played like Prince or something like that. But I didn't do it. So that was about it. So you, you were a real shy guy growing up, huh? Yeah. No, you know, actually I was. I mean, I grew up in a small, basically all small Catholic.

schools growing up and I was the only student of color up until like I think my junior year or whatever and so I had this big afro I had these big thick glasses I wore corduroy bell bottom pants that was the style I'm sure so I was I don't want to say I was a nerd but you know what I kind of felt a little bit out of place you know being amongst you know um so yeah I was kind of shy but I got along well with everybody did you feel out of place at all when you got to the mansion with all the men oh no not Really, I mean, the only thing, the only thing that I felt maybe out of place with the men is like, you know what, you know, what is this, what has this guy done for a living? What is he retired? Does he own a business? Does he own a restaurant? Does he own a yacht? Is that the male competitive deal? Like, am I, do I measure up? Is that what that's all right? Yeah, I think so. But you know what also too, I mean, growing up as kid, I had like, I had low self-esteem issues. And so, you know, there's always that certain sense of evaluating my inner worth with someone else's outward. network, you know. I just, I get that. That is so smart what you just said, but it's also interesting as I, you know, I don't know you. I've just getting to know you now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what's

interesting is you project, you're a very handsome man, you know that. You're, you're, you seem to be a very kind man. And you project this confidence. And it's just a reminder to everyone that we all have a history, right? We all have the fact that you said that, you know, you, you were not confident that It's just interesting to me. I'm just commenting that I would never think that about you based on the man you are today. Who you are now. Well, thank you. I would just say it's just years of experience of growing into it, I guess, you know.

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On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us podcast, I sat down with Warren Campbell, Grammy-winning producer, pastor, and music executive to talk about the beats, the business, and the legacy behind some of the biggest names in gospel, R&B, and hip-hop. This is like watching Michael Jackson talk about Thurley before it happened. Was there a particular moment where you realized just how instrumental music culture was to shaping all of our global ecosystem? I was eight years old, and the Motown 25 special came on. And all the great Motown artists, Marvin, Stevie Wonder, Temptations, Diana Ross.

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Okay, so I'm not 62. I'm 71 and Susan 67. Okay. What does it mean to you to be in your golden years? gosh you know what for me it's like I really you know for me I think that's just a title I mean I don't feel like I'm golden you know I feel I feel like my spirit is so youthful from inside of myself I'm grateful that I'm that my physical body is healthy and I still want to be active I still want to lift weights I still want to like do cardio um but from the inner spirit I

I mean, I would actually say that the way I feel inside, I would say I probably feel like I'm in my early 40s is the way I feel. I'm telling you, I feel, Susan and I talk about this a lot. We feel the same way. You know, I can't date guys my own age. They don't have enough energy. It's about attitude. It's about energy.

It's energy. Yeah. So, yeah. But don't you feel like at the stage in your 60s, you've been through. so much and you're more knowledgeable and you know what to sweat out, what not to sweat out. You know what I mean? When to get excited, when not to. It's kind of one of those things that's like, you know, I look at my life in retrospect.

Like, you know, if I would have known what I know. Not then, I probably would have made some changes. It's like, you know, especially, okay, so for me, like in the golden years, the one thing I can probably relate to is that, you know what, there's a lot of like financial knowledge that I have acquired later in my life. Sure. But I wish I would have known younger in my life. Like what?

Give me, tell me what? Give me one thing. Okay, so I didn't have that family structure. So like what, if I had a family or a father, which I grew up without a father, a father that was like, you know, said, hey, you know what, son, it's very important that you save early and teach me the principle of compounding. In just my interest, yeah. Because right now it's like, you know what, if I would have saved like at 16 years old

or 17 years old, even whether I was working at, you know, a fast food restaurant or whatever it can be. Just making a small little contribution over these years and multiplying with the compound, I'd be in a way better off shape than I am around. Are you teaching your children? Are you teaching your children? Absolutely. I actually have learned those principles through work here.

And I'm like, you know what? It's important for me as a father since I didn't get that from a father to pass it on to my children, even though that they're young, at least the seeds planted. They may forget about it for now. But at least it would be my responsibility that when they are starting to work to kind of to reiterate that principle to them. I wish that, you know, I was in education for a lot of years. I wish that that was required teaching.

Kids need to learn the principles of money and banking and investing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know what I think, and I think in our school district at Riverside in Oakland, I think they are, that's part of the curriculum, you know. Well, they're getting wiser as well. So let me ask you, you said your holidays were good. Is there anything, I don't know if you're a New Year's resolution guy or anything you want to be more aware of

or something you would like to accomplish in this 2025? Gosh, you know what? I mean, there's new goals and objectives, I think, that are starting to come to fruition in my mind. But I think as far as like the New Year's resolution that I post on my Instagram was that it came to me is that I want to invest in people that are going to invest in me. It's like, you know what? Relationships, friendships, you know, over the past years, we talk about experiences that is that people say they're going to do something and I count on it, I rely on it, and then it doesn't happen.

And I have confidence in myself of what I can do. If I don't know how to do something, believe me, I'm going to learn how to do it. But you're going to have my, you're going to have 100% Jonathan. You're going to have my loyalty. You're going to have my commitment. And so as I'm 62, I want to be with people or get involved with people that are going to invest in me because, you know what? They're going to get that investment back, you know, so. What do you do for a living?

I'm curious. I work for a company that's basically in a data analytics and consulting business. business and so and so I work in the what we call our document services support kind of a logistics you know we do a lot of shipping of materials got it curriculum and things like that yeah okay all right so um I wanted Susan to ask this question but she's not going to so I'm going to ask it because Susan is divorced and I'm not but I'm very curious about this answer okay um so you did open up about your divorce on the show um what was it like navigating that while also being a parent and, and, you know, finding love again, what advice

do you have for parents on how to navigate a life transition like that? Because my parents were divorced when I was six, but my husband passed away. But I'm very curious your answer on this. Okay. Okay. Yeah, that's a very good question. Thank you for asking that because it helps validate or gives closure to, from the very beginning when I thought about being on the show, that was one of my main concerns was I know that's going to come up and how am I going to address it. You know, I had to be very mindful and considerate of the divorce, of my marriage, of my ex-wife, and of my children if they happen to see the show or some of their kids or parents see the show. So I had to be careful about how I got that out. And I wanted to do it in a way

that was going to be genuine enough that people could understand what happened without going into any other nasty details. It really wasn't, it really wasn't a nasty divorce other than than it just called me blindsided. And there were some questions that, you know, I read some comments and said, well, how could be blindsided? Sure, you could have seen it coming. But you know what? I didn't. I didn't. And you don't always see it coming. You're right. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, you know what? I tried to look at it from different angles, but it's like, you know what? Yeah, I was blindsided. And so I had to be very careful and mindful about that, how I, how I would tell Joan that. And just to let, you know, when I, when I said that, that part of my life about the divorce

with Joan, I wanted her to kind of get the gist of what it was about, but for her to see how it affected me, because, you know, just even talking to it about it now, it just kind of makes me a little emotional. Because you choked up, yeah. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to upset you. No, no, no. I'm not, I'm not upset at all. Believe me, I am 100% healed. Just like, you know, what, but just like, you know, when you talk about things and things happen, and I, and I was committed to the show that, to be vulnerable and let those things come out as they happen. Do you think the show helped you be who you are right now? Oh, yeah, absolutely.

You know, because the fact that I got selected for the show is like just a, it's amazing. It's a blessing. It's a blessing. And so I believe things happen for a reason and to think that I got picked out of the thousands of minutes. in just my vicinity and there's think about the whole country is such a privilege and such a blessing that there has to be something on a very spiritual message or purpose that I was on and sharing telling other men as we tell women don't ever give up there's so many opportunities

still yeah yeah what they're going to be but absolutely yeah it took it took me a while to get over my divorce and it took me a while to go out on some dates and it took me a while to but look where you are now i always say look forward i try as i've said you know i've had some horrible things in my life you have jonathan so is susan we all have you you don't get to the age that we are without having some incredible triumphs and and some incredible failures and sadness in our lives it's just that's what it is um but i prefer and it sounds like you do and i know susan and does. And maybe it's our age. We focus on the positive things. We take the lessons from the hardships, but we focus on the good. You don't forget them, but you learn from things. And yeah,

it's all about being happy right now. Yeah. And sharing a smile and kindness. Well, Jonathan still us to make sure his kids get their homework done. So, you know, he's got that. All right. Since you seem, Jonathan to be such a wise not a wise guy but a wise advice time come out to Philadelphia I'll show you who's a wise guy oh look at I'm from Boston we'll talk about Boston

we'll go to some parties I get some yeah I want to get some clam chatter in Boston Kathy you skipped over the line there did you see it? What I know yes I saw it I dabbeds for Kathy and I'm like why I totally I saw it I totally skipped

over one of the questions Jonathan and was, who do you think would be a good match for us? You know, who would you match me up with? Who would you match Susan up with? Since most y'all, as we say in Texas, are already taken, we just thought we'd skip on past that one. Yeah, it's all good. Oh, I see.

Okay. Yeah, a lot of guys fell into relationships. Yeah, I don't know. Yes. It's all right. You know, that speaks well of you guys. We were saying earlier that women are on social media, on Instagram. on everything. And they're not shy anymore. They reach out to you guys. And for us, the men don't even

know how to get on Instagram. They're not on it and they're shy. Okay, but we're going to move on with advice because that's where we are. So Michael, you just, we're going to, we're going to read a question. You're just going to tell us what you think. And we're going to, we're going to make Michael's life better. We're going to give some advice. Okay. Michael asks, hi, Kathy and Susan. My sister loves your podcast. I hear her listening to it all the time. You guys, give really good advice, so I thought I'd reach out to see if you can help me. I really like this girl that is in the sorority my frat always mixes with. I'm not the best with girls, so I have no idea how to approach her. We've only met in passing a few times, so I don't know how to approach

her. What do you think I should do? I want to ask her on a date, but I don't want to freak her out. What says you, Jonathan? How does he get this? How does he lock down this deal? okay so this is my advice this is something that i wish i would have been able to do as a young man okay because i'm i get i get very i don't want to say envious of jealous of guys who are like assertive and you know they just if they see a woman that they like you just so my advice okay so i'm getting to the point my advice is for this young man is just be take a take a take a big deep breath know what he wants to ask and then just find that right moment and then just find that right moment and And then just saying, can I talk with you for a second?

And then ask her out. That's what I would suggest. The worst that could happen is she says no. I don't think there's going to be a freak out. Yeah. That's his insecurity, I think. Absolutely. Feeling like she's going to freak out.

Just say, hey, I was thinking, would you like to get together sometimes? Like real nonchal, you know. Michael, I will say to you, my advice is very similar to Jonathan's and Susan's. The fact is, you know, take good risks in your life. Asking this girl out is a good risk. What is the worst that can happen? The answer could be no. You move on.

A bad risk is like jumping off the Empire State Building. You know, don't do that to get a date with her. But, you know, you don't want to spend your time saying, I wish. You don't want to get to our age and say, I wish I would ask. I wish I had asked her out. I wished I had pulled. Because what's the worst thing? you pick yourself up and say, okay, it didn't work out.

We say that now because we're here. But I remember feeling that way being that young. Of course, but Michael's asking. You're intimidated. You're, you know, get over that, be a man and just the worst you could do is say now. Just real quickly, Jonathan, what would you say? Well, wait a minute. Michelle reached out.

I can't remember. You said Michelle reached out to you or you reached out. Okay. So, okay. So you know how Bumble works is that I swipe because I see, I saw her. The women do the work, yeah. Until she responds, then I know that she's interested. So she responded back.

I know, I've been on bubble. But the point is, once you, once you swipe that you were interested and she reached out to you, then how did you feel about that beat? You know, it's different. Like you knew she was interested because she swiped. Oh, you know what? He was interested. From the moment her first words to me was, it just, it just, it just. made my heart warm and Jonathan yeah what were those words something about something about she said

something about my eyes she could tell something about my eyes was was warm and kind or something along along that line and so that that let me know that she just wasn't looking at you know my yeah just a quick swipe right right right made an eye connection you know and I think you know the eyes are like you know, connection to your soul, you know, so. I think eyes and smile, you know, we've interviewed a lot of the guys from your season. And I think I'm not, I think it's almost universal that we've all said it's a smile and it's the eyes. That's where I say all the time when people say, what's the first thing you notice about somebody? It's their eyes and their smile.

Absolutely. You know, and that's why I chose the, uh, the blindfold from my, uh, my entrance out of the limo because I remember. I wanted the eye contact between Joan and I, that first initial, eye contact to see if there was going to be something there, you know, so what? And with Michelle's pictures, that's what I saw, was that eye contact. I'm Jemel Hill, host of the Sports and Politics Podcasts, Politics. And on the latest episode of Politics, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries joins me for a candid conversation about the state of the Democratic Party.

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I was kind of hoping it was going to be Joan because I had seen the golden bachelor and I saw that, you know, when she had to leave and why she had to leave. Susan, he didn't want us. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's, that's, thanks, thanks, so that will wrap, that wraps this episode up with Jonathan. No, no, no, no, seriously, before we have to go, we've got to play this little game. And this is about everybody else getting to know you. Okay, all right.

All right. All right. We're going to do easy little questions and everybody else listening will get to know you a little bit better. Are you ready? All right. I'm ready. Okay. We're going to, there's 10 questions.

Who was your favorite band or musician where you were in high school? Michael Jackson. Okay. All right. What's your favorite way to unwind after a long day? kick off my shoes sit on my couch and have my dog jump on my chest and give me some uh some legs on the top of my head what kind of dog what kind of dog uh charlie is a b sean oh okay what is your favorite memory that you have when you were a teenager

my favorite memory oh from when you were a teenager okay i i remember my favorite memory was I was sitting outside of high school. I had dropped out of the basketball tryout program, and my high school basketball coach came up to me one-on-one, and basically I almost had like a father-son conversation with me and said, hey, you know what, you've got some potential. You got talent. If you would have stuck with it, you'd be a great basketball player.

And he's like one of my mentors. He's almost my father. We still have a relationship to this day. How lovely. How tall are you, Jonathan? How tall are you? Six-four. So you would have made a great point guard

If I had dribbling skills Oh, there is that All right What would the title of your autobiography be Title of my autobiography? It makes you think, doesn't it? That question, I would say Kind of a go-to, me, myself, and I

Ah, okay. Okay, if you were straight, we asked everybody from the show, by the way. for this question. If you're stranded on a desert island and you could only bring three guys from the mansion, who would they be? Well, wait. To be fair, Susan, we've also said you're taking Susan and me with you. We're going regardless. Who are the other three guys? Other three guys. Okay, I would have to say Gary because, you know, Gary, I just love his laugh. I mean, I've got, I can hear his contagious. Gary's laugh is like, oh, look at you in.

that's perfect yeah i love gary i bless a lot too yeah i'd love to bring uh jordan because he's like has that comic relief and i'd have to bring jack you know jack jack jordan and gary do you see them all do you get together with these guys i haven't i haven't so far you know but we we've kind of out the group text kind of thing going on and so yeah we're kind of making plans for that all right if you could bring back any fashion trend or old slang, what would it be? And please don't say long basketball shorts. Go ahead. What would you bring back? Gosh, you know what? I would probably bring back bell bottom pants and platform shoes. Oh, wow. You like the platform? I wear the bell bottoms, but the

platforms. I keep thinking about, they were more comfortable than heels. Yeah, I keep thinking about John Chavolta, you know. Yeah. Do you have any fashion regrets from you? your younger days? Oh, regrets. Gosh. I mean, how could, that's not even a good question. What would you regret? You were wearing it because it was in style. We're going to skip that. Okay, all right, okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you. What's one thing about you now that you think would surprise your younger self? Can I answer that for you? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Not about your hair that you are as confident as you are now. Oh, that's, that's very good. Absolutely. Yep, I would agree with you.

You're not supposed to help. I just because I heard what he said about his younger life. Okay, now he wants to talk about his hair. What were you going to say? He'd be bald? That's spot on. Yeah, that I would be bald. Yeah, because, you know, well, yeah, this happened by accident.

You never thought that you had a big accident. Yeah, this happened by accident. What was the accident? How's that? I was on a date with a girl and was drink one or two or maybe three bottles of wine, and she looked at me with a little cross-eye. She goes, you would look really hot. Can I cut? Can I cut your hair? So she cut my hair, and the next morning I looked in the mirror, thinking I had like this really cool haircut, shaved, and it was just patches of hair.

Oh. Oh. So I had no recourse except just to shave it all out. And you've been that way ever since. Yeah. And then when I went to work, everyone said, JR, what did you do to your head? We love it. So I've been wearing it ever since. I love it. That's his. Wait, can I just say, I love it. I love it. love you. I want to get to know you better. You're a super nice guy, but I am going to question your judgment. She had, you let anyone do anything to you after three bottles of wine? What the hell were you thinking? Well, he was drinking with her so he didn't have good judgment. Oh, he didn't say that. He said she, you didn't say that, Jonathan. It's like, you know, you said she had three bottles of wine. Oh, no, no, we had, I'm sorry. Oh, so you were drunk to. All right.

Oh, yeah, yeah, by far. Yeah. Okay. You're off the hook. Yeah. Thank you. All right. What's something you've always wanted to do, but you haven't done yet? And if what, and whatever it is, why haven't you done? Oh, gosh, there's quite a number of things, but I think one of the things is go up a hot air balloon. I've always wanted to do that. I want to go, I want to jump out of an airplane and a parachute. Oh, ooh, I would never do that. I would do it in tandem. If I did it with, you know, a trained person, I would. Really? A train. Yeah, I would. They asked me that when I was interviewing on the show, what's something you want to do?

I said, I want to jump. I'm scared to death to do it, but I would do it if I was with an instructor, you know, instructor or a good-looking guy who wanted to date with me. I'd deal with that, too. Well, there you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I think if I went in a plane and flew up and got to the point where it was point time to jump up.

Just push me. Just push me out. Right, yeah. That's what you'd have to do, yeah. Do you like roller coasters? I do like roller coasters now, but as a kid I didn't. I remember my first major roller coaster going up the, you know, going up the incline. I could hear the chains, chaining.

You're like, oh, God, I hope it doesn't fall. Yeah, and I was getting to the top. I got so scared. I started screaming, mama, mama. Get me up here. All right, one more. What piece of advice, good or bad, that you received and never forgotten. advice that I received good or bad.

Good or bad advice, but that you never forgot. Somebody said something to you at one time. You never forgot it. Oh. Don't let a drunk woman shave your head next time. That was new advice, but. Right. Oh, my gosh.

That's a hard one. I think it is hard. Kathy, do you know any that somebody gave you? The best piece that I ever got. that I've never forgotten was when you're nervous about doing something new and you're walking into a place where it's all new people, whatever that event is, it's okay because everyone's feeling the way you are. So walk in, feel confident because everyone's feeling the same way you are. That's good. That's good. Okay. I just remember one. I just remember one. It was as far as like,

I think, like, you know, I did some acting at one point on stage or whatever, like, you know, community theater. Remember a director told me once is like if you forget your line or if you forget your movement, don't ever stop. Right. Just keep moving. Yeah. And don't let them see what you know is wrong. It's the same thing. Like, don't let them see the fair.

Do you sing, Jonathan? I have my moments where I try to see. Well, no, you said theater. Did you do musical theater? I've done a couple of music theater. The last one I did was I did ragtime, and so I did a little ensemble singing, so that was pretty fun.

What's your voice? Are you a baritone, tenor? What are you? Baritone. Baritone. Wow, look at you. But you know what? As I got older,

my voice got raspier where some people will say that I have like this kind of a hairy bellafonte kind of a sound. And sometimes it's frustrating because I want to articulate clear. Yeah. You know, I hear this raspiness, and it's like sometimes it feels like I'm forcing my voice out, so. Damn, this guy's talented. He's got it all.

He's got it all. You're an amazing guy. It was so good getting to know you a little bit. I'm telling you, it was our pleasure having you. It really was. I can dance. I can sing. I can dance.

And I can sing. I should know what? I'm really sorry that we missed you in Sausalito because that corner, that corner where you were is literally right up the street. So I have no idea. She had sent me an email and I just now, recently, within the last week, saw the message. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I took a hiatus in December. I didn't answer much.

I needed a little. So wait, she lives in Soslito where we were? So they reached out. You're in our neighborhood. You're in our backyard. Come see us. We would have come. We absolutely would have.

Yeah, of course. Remember we walked on. We didn't know what to do with ourselves. Oh, that's good. Yeah, we did. We had a day off. And that's not normal. But if you find out we're there again, text my phone.

Okay. Yeah, we got to make sure we got numbers. Yeah, let's switch numbers. If Michelle had emailed me, trust me, my phone's glued to me. I would have looked at it. But, you know. Yeah, see, I don't get notified for every email. It wasn't even an email.

It was a DM or whatever. Yeah, DM, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Well, tell us, shall we look forward to us. Okay, I'll definitely do that. I'll definitely do that. We will continue this at some point for sure. Sounds good.

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