Bachelor Happy Hour - Forehead Needles and Who’s Blocked | Happy Hour

Episode Date: March 12, 2026

Today on “Happy Hour,” Charity and Rachel are back answering your questions! After two months with your new hosts, the girls are here to debrief their biggest episodes, answer some fan questions, and, of course, spill the tea. We kick things off by getting into their interview with Clayton; what was left unsaid? Then, we start answering your hard-hitting questions. Who in Bachelor Nation has Charity and Rachel blocked? What’s the most annoying comment they get? Tune in now to hear all this and more, and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I think and hope that's a good thing. Get to know Ego. Follow Thanks Dad with Ego Wodom and start listening on the free IHeart Radio app today. Hello everyone and welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Rachel. And I'm Charity. And today, Rachel and I are here to catch up with you guys. some of your questions and honestly just just chat away because we got a lot to discuss I fear

we have so much and these are my favorite episodes but it's just me and you no same we can really get down to the bottom of what has been going on so no interruptions no other thoughts at the top it is so crazy it has been two months since we started feeling it no it feels like the best part of my week. But I get to say, and we get to talk shit. And it doesn't even feel like work. No, it doesn't, which is, isn't that everyone's dream? Yeah, I'm very grateful to be doing this with you. And it's been an amazing ride, but crazy enough that we're just getting started. We have so much ahead of us. I know. Much ahead of us. Wait, okay. With us being here for two months, what was, what has been your favorite interview? Rachel Lindsay. Easily.

Hands down. That interview was, first of all, just such an honor. Rachel started this podcast. And I feel like me and you are so appreciative of what The Bachelor is given us and what the platform is given us. And Rachel created this. So it was just amazing to get her back because I never thought she was going to come back to Bachelor Nation.

No. I mean, I was genuinely, genuinely floored. I think even like we said at the Bachelorette reunion. I was like, whoa. I was like, I had no idea who was coming. I knew you were coming. I knew a few other people, but I was like, even then. But like walking in and seeing Rachel, I was like, this is, the world is healing, perhaps?

I don't know. It was crazy. Truly. So to sit down with her, talk everything and knowing that we're going to get her back. And yes, we said that again, we are getting Rachel Lindsay back. So I'm just, I'm going to regret saying that. No, I know. We're going to be on.

I will be on her. I will be on her. We literally, we're like, you're coming to Cary's and you're coming to mental awe. You're coming to the finale. We're booking your schedule. We're making you booked and busy. Literally. I was just so obviously impressed with her.

But there is so much of her story that we don't know. And I need her book to come out tomorrow. I know. I'm making you head chairman of the book club. I could not believe. Half of the things that came out of her mouth, her finding out in the tabloids. I don't think this is like people are not grasping how actually crazy that is.

She's like a real human and to find out that the person you're married to is getting a divorce from you. And you have to and you have to send in a paycheck. Are you crazy? I'd be damned. I personally would. Like I'm serious. All hell would break loose.

No, she's, I'm telling you it's, it's, it's, there is really no other blueprint. It's, it's, it's Rachel's. It's, it's really going to be. tough to be. And I'm just so excited. So going off our favorite, we just had an interview that I last night could not sleep over. I was having stress dreams all night. And we just interviewed Clayton. And now I need to go to, I'm literally, I need to go to acupuncture right now because of how stressed out that interview just made me. Please release all stress and don't bring it back. Needles in the forehead.

Oh, what are your thoughts? Needles in the forehead is sending me because I'm like, I'm genuinely picturing them right now. I'm going to send you a picture. No, please do. Can that actually be like the cover photo for this week's episode? The acupuncture needles in your forehead. Oh my gosh. I want to know your thoughts, Charity, because I have so much history with Clayton.

And you had just only met him at AFR. Was that the only time? Yeah, I think we met Grant season of AFR. I believe. And even then, I was like very brief. So I didn't really get to like hang out and spend quality time with him. But I think I learned enough within the first like 15 minutes of chatting and seeing him. Correct.

He is very interesting. I will say like I'm and this is like the empath in me. I have such a soft spot in my heart for just his story. And like obviously what he's been dealing with for the past year with the case. with the case. But even just following him after his season or y'all season on The Bachelor, it just was so chaotic. So I don't think I ever really got like a full like read or understanding of really who this guy is. And I will say probably to this day, I don't think I still do. But I know that there's there's a level in him that is learning and trying to grow and trying to

evolve. But I do get what you are saying or like the things that you kind of shared with me that makes Clayton just sometimes complicated and a little problematic. I don't even want to say problematic. That's probably not the best word. Just complex. Like he really is like there's a lot going on. Yeah. And it's so funny because it's so hard with me and charity being virtual like trying to like see when the next is going to talk with this interview. I I think I sat there so silently and I stared at Charity's picture on Zoom. I cannot. No.

I could do a stare at Charity. And I feel like I just want to like say thank you so much. I told you off the podcast for. I feel like you interviewed both of us. Honestly, I kind of, it was like couples therapy, but you guys aren't a couple.

Like it's like posts and you guys are coming to see me still after the breakup. You're like, you guys need to leave each other alone at this point. No, I was just trying to really, I was trying to hold space. Where's my finger? Wait, there we go. I was trying to hold space for the both of you guys, which you guys really made me miss my job for a second day.

I was like, do I go back to work tomorrow? Let me know. It's so difficult because I think there is this, I don't even know how to begin to explain this. And I think I've always tried so hard. We do see each other outside of this. And we've had conversations outside of this. We see each other, but not physically.

I mean, like we see where each other is coming from. But it's just like each time we talk, I find something else that I'm, like, frustrated with. Yes. And I sense that. I was like, it's happening in this real moment. Yes. Yes. And it's just these little moments that I don't think he realizes he does.

And that interview was great. And I again see where he's coming from. But it's just like the little things he'll say, like, I could have taken the easy route on my season. And I'm like, you mean by picking me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's just those things I think he doesn't realize that he's doing. And it's just like, I don't know.

It's hard because even listening to his podcast, the first audio clip I hear is my own voice. Yes. It feels like this thing that is just like a constant in my life that I'm sure he wants to get away from me. but we just continue to go around. I was trying to sense the vibes. I'm like, I think he really does enjoy that you guys are on good terms.

Yes. Yes. Which he is lucky for. Hello, because I was like he's not so much with Gabby as we know. And then I know he is fair. Yeah. I think that is so fair.

And I've always said that that he's lucky that he does have the relationships he has from his season. Right. Right. Which I like, I don't even think I was trying to like, allude to that in our interview with him. But I was obviously, I was like, I know, I like, I definitely sided more, it came across that I sided more so with Clayton.

My whole thing was, obviously, Gabby can feel how she feels and she's entitled to feel exactly how she feels. I don't blame her, but I also see his perspective of like, yeah, like, he's just dancing. Was it necessary? Unnecessary. And that's, I think, I think a normal person can understand that. Right, right. Yeah.

But give or take, but you're right. He is very fortunate to still have a relationship with you and Susie. I was really surprised. I mean, I know we kind of touched on this during the interview that Susie is taking part in the podcast. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, we listen to, like, I think there's two episodes out right now. And if you, I believe in episode two, you start to hear kind of Susie give some takes

or, you know, kind of timeline, even, like, details of what happened and leading up. to everything that unfolded with him and that woman. Yeah. It is crazy. And I was not expecting to hear her, but she isn't there. And I was like, okay, I'm glad that he does, like, you know, I know that is very familiar and probably a safe space for him. So I do love that she is able to kind of provide that support for him.

But very, very shocking to say. It's shocking too, because I think Susie has gone through a lot. I feel like in the way of she has had to be extremely supportive. And she does it. Obviously, she wants to do it. But I think we don't give Susie enough credit for, she really is a big pillar in like his healing journey.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's very, very lucky to have Susie. And I think she just continues to like every time. I'm like, I just like love her and I want the best for her. You know what really threw me off. I think we're going to say the same thing. Yeah.

It made me. feel, I'm not going to lie, it made me feel a type of way. Like, not in a bad way, but I just, I felt something. I was like, whoa. When he was basically saying the catalyst to the whole, that woman in her, her situation, the case. Yeah. It's because he saw Susie the week before.

If I heard that, and granted, it's, this is not to put anything on Susie. But like, if I heard that of like, oh, I went to go support or like see or catch up with like a old friend, pal of mine. And then to hear him say like, oh, there were so many emotions that came up that I had to like kind of self-medicate and cope this way. And then that night is when he had nothing else to do but to sit down and have a time with Ms. Laura Owens. I would be shook.

I would be very shook. I'm not going to lie. I wonder if she does know this because that is exactly what I thought you were about to say. I've never heard that part of the story. Me either. Me either. I was like, this is something. This is actually really heavy. I know. There's so much, I mean, I feel like put on her. I mean, not that Clayton hasn't gone, like he is definitely going through it as well, but even going like leading up to our AFR,

I mean, they got piled on after. It was obviously very team Rachel and Gabby. I mean, and then to go from that and, I mean, build yourself back up and then kind of, again, be the catalyst into something else where now this is taken over here. his life. It's his card in life is just. It's really and that's where I'm like, I really, I'm like, I want to sidebar him and not this is really going to sound invasive, but like from a former therapist perspective, I'm like, I'm just really curious to see what exactly is like, you know, his therapy goals.

Like I know he talked about like really becoming in tune with his emotions and I think that's huge. Like that's just a very common problem. I don't want to say problem. Common thing amongst men. So like I respect him so much for even like admitting to that. But I'm very curious of like, okay, how is he, you know, getting over these hurdles or these things that I feel like probably are the foundation or the reasons why he keeps finding

himself in certain situations. I would just be very interested and curious. Yeah. What a crazy conversation. I'm shocked he wanted to come on it all. I really am. But yeah, I am. I am.

Like I said, I feel like we get on a good term and then we're kind of just like we don't Yeah. And so I was surprised here out of, I mean, our podcast and Golden Hour, I would have assumed he would have wanted to go on Golden Hour. But I mean, it was a good interview. That would have been the safer option, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, he likes to challenge himself.

If I'm going to do anything in this world is apparently just be Clayton's karma in so many ways. So I'm like, every time you think that you're alone, no, I'm there. Like, I feel so bad. You're the northwest to the, he's Kim, but you're northwest to him. Like, he will never find peace. I don't want to say that. He will find peace in his life. He will never find peace around you.

Yes. Anytime it's around me, the universe, like, cannot scream louder. I feel like. Oh, my God. It's actually crazy. Oh, my gosh. So much. So much we've done.

So much to come. What are you excited about, like, for what's next? I'm, I will be honest. Like, apart from Rachel Lindsay, like, I enjoyed dissecting these men. I'm so ready for this season to press play. So I can, I mean, you don't understand. Like, you guys think the episodes are getting good and good. They're about to become the greatest of grades.

Like, the recaps are about to go crazy. I'm so ready. I cannot wait for your recap. I think going over. talking about Rachel's time and the way that she ate Jet Alive, I just see this happening again in real time with you just devouring these men. It's almost like yes. And the answer to that is yes. And I'm going to do it very tastefully, but also I might throw a little curveball in there and do it distastefully. Who knows? It depends on how I feel that day. But what I will say, I think there's

also part of me too is because we're on the other side. As a lead, again, this is all back to like how you have to conduct yourself like you know during while your season's airing obviously i had a whole press tour following and you you get more like truth like after that but like i feel like now this is like my even though these are not guys that i date it it's like these are what i wanted to do to the guys on my season and i'm like now i'm having this opportunity so all bets are off hello i'm so excited too because charity i think people don't realize like how absolutely hilarious you are on your season you were so serious so excited for people to see the unsurious, hilarious takes that you are going to have. Correct. Correct. It's going to be so good. We're, it's about to be insane for the,

all the right reasons. I'm so excited. I think we only have like two more interviews and then we're going to be straight into the guys. Is that right? Yeah. Oh my God. It's, it's happening. And one of them is Taylor, which is like going to be fantastic to pick her brain. It's happening. It's happening. I'm so ready. I'm so ready. I mean, we have some questions. Should we get into it?

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on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcast. I feel like we could do two episodes with the amount of questions that are on here. Yeah, because we're yappers. Okay. First question. Who from Bachelor Nation has you blocked?

Nobody that I know of or that I care. Oh my gosh. You're so lucky. Is that rude? Sorry. No, I feel like that means you're nice. No, I was saying nobody that I, so I'm, whoever has me blocked, I'm not looking for you. So that's another.

She has no idea. Unbothered. Truly. Truly unbothered. I feel. Is it for you? I'm screaming. I feel like I am blocked by multiple.

Who. I think there's, I will just say, I think there's one or two from Jen season. Why are the men blocked? blocking you. I don't think I'm usually very nice to them on recaps. I've had some opinions. That's crazy. I stand by them.

However, my ex-fiancee does still have me blocked. I'm pretty sure. And for, again, for all the right reasons, I think that's the healthiest. Or he deleted his Instagram. That's still, like, unclear to me. That would be the even more healthier option. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, I feel bad about that one a little bit. Do you want to know, do you want to know something crazy? No, I need to tell you something crazy. Not you, not you bulldozing your way through that. Listen, there was like an interview he did like two years a year and a half ago where he said that I called him. Okay.

And he's always been blocked on my phone. And I still to this day, I'm like, how did I call him or who called? Like, how did that happen? Because I'm sure he was like thinking I did. Difficult situations make you forget things. truly. Isn't that I mean, I don't even know how he would have his number to call him. No, that's insane to say. Isn't that crazy? Damn, well, that's not the, that's not the case. I genuinely, I'm like, how did he get called?

I would tell you if I called him. No, I believe you. I know, I know, I don't even, I would be curious why you would. So I know for a fact you did not. Maybe I did it in my sleep or something. Perhaps. I don't know. That's a mystery. to this day. I like this one, Charity. I think this is perfect for you. See, I know you about to try something. What's your most unpopular opinion? Hmm. Most unpopular opinion. Hmm. Like, is there anyone that you think should have ended up with someone or that it would have worked out better? In a recent years, no. I'll be very honest. I don't think,

I really don't think Grant in anybody from his season if I'm being truthful. And Grant, I don't know all the girls that well, but I know enough. Jen, absolutely not. She was not dealt with the great cards,

as we know. I'm trying to think. I think if you and Gabby had a, I mean, this is not even unpopular. I think this is pretty popular. If you guys had separate seasons, I think things would have been a lot different. I just can't even imagine us

having separate seasons. Really? Looking back, no. I can't. I think you absolutely, I think you would have even probably ended up like your final. Granted, we have tastes and types, preferences, whatever, but I think you would have not even ended up with Tina. You don't think if I had the same cast, I think I would have still picked the same

final four. Really? Mm-hmm. I think you would just would have had more time and I don't know. That's so true. That's so true. You would have had more time to like really foster versus like, okay, I'm just picking because he's cute.

Like I think that's what we all resort to is like picking based off of what's eye level versus like, okay, let's get inside the heart. Okay. I like that. I'm trying to think of one of mine. My unpopular opinion, I think, I think there's a lot of, I mean, people get in trouble, I think with the fantasy sweets a lot. And I think you should be able to handle your fantasy suite however you want.

And I think no one should be able to say anything about it. I think what happens behind that door? Hello. No one deserves an opinion on it. That's what I think. And Jesse gives out one pair of keys. Hello. People have an opinion.

You should. You shouldn't. You did. You didn't. I just think whatever happens behind the door, like, once that door is closed, you don't have a say on it. It is very, like, it's a taboo topic. I feel like and very obviously polarizing because I think the only thing is because

oh, it's multiple parties involved. Granted, if you were dating someone in the real world and it's like, oh, this is like the date night where your relationship goes to the next level, no one's going to like obviously judge you for it or like have anything to say. But it's just the simple fact that, oh, there's more than one person involved. But I'm like, this is also the nature of the show. Right. And I think it is the nature of the show.

I remember going into mine or like when I was on the bachelor side and you just kind of like accept the fact. You do. You really have to compartmental life. and be like, I'm separating. This does not exist. Like, you really have to have. Yeah.

And you trust the lead. They're going to do what they need to do. And if it's you, it's you. If it's not, it's not. But I think whatever they decide to do, it's like to them. You have to be so like just, I don't even want to say accepting. It's obviously probably very hard to accept. But like you just have to be understanding.

That's probably the best word. Truly. We can say right now. The fantasy suite. What happens behind the door? That would be my unpopular thing. You would never know. The next question is,

Charity, can you spill one secret from your fantasy suite? I cannot, and I will not. Thank you so much. She said absolutely not. We just said what happens behind that door? I only had two fantasy suites too, so there's that. One went home early for the right reasons. So we're moving on.

Thank you. I love how. It didn't include Rachel what's a secret? Well, speaking of, Rachel, would you ever date Sean again? Whoever put this question on this list of questions is so crazy. That I think gave Blake a heart attack for the 24 hours that it was happening. That's crazy.

He could not understand what I was doing. Sean's, he's nice. Sean is a nice. Like, honestly, I know he gets a lot of like, he. Yeah. He is a little bit of a character on TV. But when I say people who have shown up and just been very consistent,

he really is a consistent friend to, to Doughton and I. So I do appreciate, you know, Sean, yes. Yes. Check in my book. I let him have it a little bit at the time. It was deserved. For sure.

For sure. I love that that question was on there. Charity, what's the most annoying comment you get online? Um, the most annoying comment I get online. It's definitely died down. Um, I feel like there was a, there was a point where most annoying comment I get online. I'm like actually trying to like why. You're like everything. No, literally. Everyone who comments anything. Um, I think there was like, um, for a point in time and like fresh after like me and Dotten's after we got off. of my season that I think people really just assume that I wanted to be in the spotlight always and like I wasn't being fair to Dotten. I don't know. I feel like that was like one that I got a lot of dancing with the stars. Yes. And it's like she just can't help herself but to and I'm like, are you guys actually okay? Like I'm showing up for work. This is work for me now. Like I'm

dancing with the stars is such an honor. And the fact that he was supporting you, it like, like major relationship better i think if you could make it out of dancing with the stars i always say that was that was the test and not even that it was a test but i'm like the fact that we got through it and we got through it so well like i was not even worried he was not worried but i'm like it definitely made us like stronger for sure but also i'm like if anyone knows me knows how much i prioritize daughton like i'm always thinking about oh how can i help you in this way or how whatever it may be like he is my priority and vice versa I'm his priority so that's how it should be

so yeah it is I'm curious though with the people who have gone through dancing with the stars and it hasn't worked out I'm wondering if they sometimes have used it like as an excuse because it happens so quickly after the show that maybe it's not working out I'm so busy with dancing with the stars

it's not working out it's crazy that that happened so much okay Rachel it's your turn to answer that what do you feel like is the comment you get the most or a misconception about you. Mine is literally on every single thing I post. People are like, oh my God, like I don't even recognize you. Like all this plastic surgery.

I'm like, I've gotten my boobs done two times. And the rest is Botox and Filler that I've gotten since before. Like when I first stepped out of the limo, I had fresh lip filler. I had fresh Botox. I think I've gotten cheek filler since, but they act as if I, well, not, and this isn't everyone. Yes. And I, I just, I, it's so hard for me. They hate the eyebrows.

They hate the blonde hair. I feel like for me, they really, and this isn't everyone, but I feel very confined to the way I look. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And any changes I choose to do after, I feel like I should be able to do if I wanted, I

haven't one day if I wanted to do something it just feels like people want me to look 25 years old and I'm turning 30 100 things have changed my health has been different yes things look different I completely understand but it's out of my control and people act like it's not and I think yeah it's been frustrating for me yeah no I get that and I feel like you kind of said it best when you were like, oh, like, people kind of confine you to how they first initially saw you, which is crazy because as we all know, people like change, evolve, you know, what they, how they want to style their hair. They may not want to style it how they stout at all their 20s, whatever it may be.

But it's like, it always brings me back to this that I sometimes think people like who watch reality TV or just TV in general. Like if it, if we were like doing a scripted show that would make sense and we were actors, but we're not. We're like actual humans. I think people have these near. And like either from how they initially saw us the first time is what they stick to or in their head we're like completely a different like a built up character. And it's like we have like sims like we're literally sims in their brains. Yes. And it's like we have to like always be how they last saw us. There's no change. There's no involvement. Nothing is nothing is no room for error. Hello. Let's just say. I agree. And this isn't everyone. But I think it's the loudest people. And I even see it on a lot of our former. alumni. It's anytime someone posts a video or a podcast of something, one of the main comments

is always, she looks so much different. She this. I just never see those comments for the men. I never see like those comments. It's just so difficult. It feels like across the board this comment of she's unrecognizable. I just don't understand how we've gotten to that point where people think it's okay to things like that. I think there's so much going on behind the scenes in people's lives that no one is privy to. And we chose to put ourselves out there, 100% correct. But I've made full TikTok saying this is what I've gotten done every single year. And people are like, you got a facelift.

I'm like, I wish. I wish I'm saving up because I'm going to get the Chris Jenner in 30 years. It's going in the piggy bank for that. I'm getting to get him. And she look. And Lindsay Lohan? Hello. We're finding that, dog.

Snatched. Snatched. And this is not everyone, but it is so frustrating because I just don't know what else to say. And yeah, goodness. Didn't mean to go on a rant there. That's okay. We need a vent. The newest tracks. Let's go. New music. And the next big thing. Always on the new music first. Your first place to hear it all. Because you're going to like it, love to want to play it twice. Playing now. I heart new music. Your digital station for brand new drops, fresh vines, and tomorrow's bangers. I think we need something new. Discover IHeart new music.

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Don't give me any obvious answer, really. Give me a good one. Who do you think is the episode of a Bachelor villain? The worst Bachelor villain? Wait. say that again and epitome. Did I say epitome? No, actually.

What did you say? I said epitome. What the fuck? I swear I'm not having a stress. It was the Clayton interview. It's messing with my mind. I can't think straight. I literally have never.

That's the first time I've ever like said that word. That's not even a, like, okay. Can you caption this episode? Epitome and needles. No, no, that is embarrassing. That's also staying in the episode. You're welcome listeners. No, you guys are actually, no, I'm going to get canceled.

They already think I'm stupid because I have grammatical errors on my stories that I'm like God forbid the whole world have grammatical errors. Anyhow, it is what it is. I have not had a meal since 9 a.m. This morning, I had no coffee. It's been a rough day for us. We just interviewed me. Everyone, my brain is the database is.

still loading. Okay. Okay. Okay. We'll start over. Rachel, yes. Who do you think is the epitome of a bachelor villain? I think the obvious answer would be Bentley from Ashley's season.

I went back and revisited that. And I think we have never seen anything to that level. Mm-hmm. The way he was saying, I don't like her. I don't find her attractive. Is crazy. I cannot even imagine what that was like to watch back. I wish in a way that we've had a villain in the recent seasons that I could pull from.

But I can't think of anyone that was that crazy. We did have a villain on my season of The Bachelor. And she would like, okay, so I don't know if you guys remember her name was Cheney. And she would literally terrorize us in the house. I was so scared of her. Oh, yes, yes, yes. Oh, my God, yes. There are things that happened on camera that didn't even air. She would just pull things out of thin air.

And then when I watched it back, she would literally be like, I fake cried. I fake apologize them. Fuck you, bitches. And I'm like, is she real? Like, I think she's kind of an iconic villain. We forget about her. No, it's actually crazy because now that you said that, I think, like, we would always reference to her. And I always, I used to joke with the producer.

I was like, if there was a girl, like, granted, it, Zach's season, I mean, I really got blessed. And I got blessed, not even just for, like, my sanity on this season, but everything that obviously transpired after that. If I had somebody like, Sheenay in the house, I would have never became a bachelorette. I would have gotten the worst edit of live because I'm telling you, I would have to let her have it. Like, that is.

Oh, my gosh. I remember. Now that you said her, I'm like, it just all came back to my memory. She was actually, like, it was. She would make herself cry in front of the group. And then we feel sorry for her. that is. I don't play that. She was like, give me the Oscar in the background. Then she'd go make out with Clayton. And we just all were like, we need me the Oscar. No, I'm not even kidding. I don't play

that. Like, I don't play the nonsense and the fake shit. Like, I can't. So I would I would have, yeah, she would have gotten to me on your season. If I was, it was crazy. We won't go into a tangent, but who do you think is the epitome of a villain? I hate you guys. I really like, please. Like, I can't, you guys. Like, I'm doing everything. everything I can't. No, you just facilitated one of the most difficult interviews I think we will have on this podcast and people need to appreciate that that just happened 30 minutes ago. And my brain is recovered. She did that full podcast alone without me even preparing her that I wasn't going to speak. I haven't had a sip of water and I'm like dehydrated. Like I am in the desert right now. Okay. I'm going

through it. Pretty stuff. I can't. I'm so serious. I need to understand. The brain. is on 2% low power mode i can't even look at the word this i don't even know how to say i actually don't i think i just made my brain unable to ever say it correctly again just changed i can't read okay who do i think is the villain the best villain um i'm thinking i'm thinking i'm thinking honestly probably he wasn't even crazy i mean he was crazy let me not say that he wasn't even crazy i'm like luke carter okay that was like manipulative Yeah, he was like that and that's where, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Has there been anyone that's done that since him?

I don't think so. I really don't. Because what you're not going to do is ever give me an ultimatum. That's what you're never going to do. Can you imagine? Do not serve me an ultimatum, nonetheless on my season? Ultimatums across the Bachelor Board have always rubbed me the wrong way. It's crazy because, again, here you are, and as our fans, our audio,

like to say you know what show you signed up for. Babe. Well, then you know what show you signed up for. It's very, as simple as that. It's so true. Don't tell me this or that. We've had so many ultimatums.

I'll give you the that. Oh my gosh. Yeah, no, that one was crazy too. And I feel like it had one of the most iconic moments after the podium move. No, insane. That was so good. Insane and I love it.

Top five. Top five. Top five. What is your top? Well, what's your top bachelor moment? And all of the history? I'm trying to think of like a moment that. Like recent years? Because I'm like, all the history is crazy.

I know. Bachelor of, that's insane. Recent years. I loved one of my favorite moments or I think it's really hard to surprise me. And one of the moments that's really shocked me was on Joey's season when they had Kelsey and Daisy in the car. No, I mean, I was like, how was this unfolding? I really did for a second. I said, now I do know something, but I'm not sure now.

I have never been so shocked. I was like, oh, they're both about to go up to him. Like crazy. Two girls at the podium, Final Bros. Let's do it right now. That was shocking. I was scared. Yeah.

No, that actually was a good shocker moment, I will say. Oh, this is kind of messy. Are there any Bachelor fan favorites that you? think are overrated. No, come on now. You don't, you guys can't do that. I know. I actually don't.

I'm trying to think I don't know. That are overrated. You guys really, that's a conversation that I don't think I have time for. And this is no, this is no shade to anybody. We'll revisit this. We'll go to Carrie's house and have a couple of glasses of wine. Exactly. We'll put that one in there.

Yes. I have a list too. I have a long list. A list. It's not, there's no tea or shay. Well, it is tea. No shade. The problem is, is, yeah, the reasons behind it, I have to explain and give context to you because otherwise, people will be quick to write me off.

And there's nothing wrong. But I think people just to understand where I'm coming from. I can't wait to hear it. So we'll do it. You know, if you guys just keep tuning in to Bachelor Happy Hour, we'll get that snuck in one of these. episodes soon after a glass a big glass after a huge glass have you ever had an awkward or heated interaction with someone from bachelor nation i don't think i have either i really don't confront unless i need to i feel like i don't meet a lot of people in person people think that

we have met a lot of bachelor nation and i would say i haven't met majority yeah unless they're at i think They're AFR. Ooh. Do you have one at AFR? I lied, but I can't answer this. Okay, that, add that to the list of Kare's house. Yeah. I'm literally going to re-bring it up.

I will answer it. I cannot imagine you getting into any altercations. No, and that's a thing. I don't, that, again, probably another misconception. Obviously, it's like, what was my little baby picture on the little keroso, like, quick to, like, no bullshit in your comment? Correct. That's a given. But the thing.

is like I don't like confronting. I don't like confronting. I don't like it. I just love for there to be peace. I love for there to be like people having a good time, feeling good. Like that is like my, that's my aura. Like that is what I want to give off to people. That's what I want people to feel.

So with that being said, I am not, I am good at confronting, but I don't like to do it. And I honestly, Percy avoid it. So unless it's necessary, which there has been two singular moments that I can count in my head. But it was like just really just trying to get down to the nitty gritty of like what exactly is going on here. And this was all like it it. Did this happen at your birthday? No, no, no.

It sounds juicy. One was like three texts and hopefully whoever listens. If you listen to this message, then you probably wouldn't. Listen, what did Brooklyn say if the shoe is lace the bitch up? Wait, this is tea. And then one was while we were filming something and that's all I can say and we'll rush for the Kerry episode very soon. Was it at the Vanderpump Villa?

I'm right. Perhaps. I don't know. When is that coming out? In April, I think. I personally cannot wait just to watch Baby Jess make out in a hot tub. Listen,

there was just foolishness everywhere. people have never seen our baby just make out with tongue in all fascination that's true it was like you know it was such a shocker for me and dot him because i feel like the thing about me and dotten and his friend group like with the boys from his season and then with me like we're both kind of like the facilitators of like fun and a little bit of chaos like we both like make sure people are having you know a good time i think it's like like that's just understood so when we got into that villa and then it almost was like the the script flipped on us. We were like expecting, okay, like, come on people.

We didn't even have to do anything. I was like, oh, there's some different energy. And you guys right now, I don't know. Jess, I didn't recognize because I said, now, why are you doing all this? Like, who are you? Like, who are you? People have no idea how much we were trying to get just a kiss with Tong and Paradise. Kiss with Tongue and Paradise.

This is the girl who is so beautiful. Vimo stunning. So gorgeous. who the nicest turns down first dates because she just can't get herself together. Turns down like NFL players turns out everyone left right center. And so when she got there, I said, oh, okay. Sister wants to get engaged at the end of the year. Like, yeah, she's making moves.

She said ring before spring. It was clearly. Mercedes is always, as we know, down for a good time. She too had a time. I said, what's going on? Ariel had a time. Maria had a time. Yes.

The boys. I said, okay. So we did this right, I guess. It's going to be chaos and confusion, which cannot wait. Yeah. That needs to come out sooner. It does. I'm like actually bump it up.

Literally bump it. I need no distractions during Taylor's episode, Taylor season. I literally just cannot wait. So I hope it's at the end. I think it will be. So anyway. There are so many more questions that we need to ask. but I think, you know, we should save some of these for our next episode, perhaps,

or like we said, the juicy ones for when we have our sit down with here. Our glasses of wine. Don't you agree? We should have everyone send in the questions they want us to answer after we've had a couple glasses of wine I carry. Correct. Because there's like good ones and they're all great questions. But I want, if you really want some tea to be spilled all over the coffee table,

submit those. The crystal coffee table at Gary. No, truly the crystal coffee table. We'll get those answers. But I think, yeah, I mean, this was a good little wrap, like a good little combo. I love these episodes. No, honestly, these are my favorite because I'm like, I don't, I don't have to think I'm just existing. This is like, this is what it's supposed to do that.

Don't have to facilitate couples therapy. Don't have to turn my brain off and then, or turn my brain on and then turn it off and forget to turn it back on yeah that that happened so everyone give charity her flowers for that interview you guys that was a that was a crazy one no just love us what did i say again the epitome yep the epitome like dotton's actually going to be like dotton's going to be like i can't i can't oh my gosh okay we are just giggling little girls okay i think that is all for today's episode you guys you guys. This was fun. I love you always, Rachel. Like truly, we are locked in for life at this point. Literally love you. And so much to look ahead to for the rest of this year and Taylor's

season coming up. So thank you to all of our listeners. Thank you guys. We are so excited for more interviews coming up, more fun episodes with me and charity. So make sure you stay tuned. And we'll see next time. Bye guys. See you next time. Bye. Bye. I'm Clayton Eckerd in 2022. I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor. But here's the thing. Bachelor fans hated him. If I could press a button and rewind it all I would. That's when his life took a disturbing turn.

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