Bachelor Happy Hour - Gabby Talks Mental Health, Dogs, and Falling for Clayton

Episode Date: February 8, 2022

This week on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” Gabby stops by to discuss her one-on-one in Toronto and break down all of the drama from this week’s episode of “The Bachelor.” In her conversation with Becca and Serena, Gabby explains how her date with Clayton came at the perfect time, why she felt comfortable opening up to Clayton about her family, and the benefit therapy has had on her life. Plus, she reveals why it was so awkward hanging back with Shanae and Genevieve as they got ready for their two-on-one. She and the hosts also send Clayton some much-needed words of love.  Then, in her Bachelor Fashion Breakdown, Serena reveals her favorite looks from this week’s episode, and in a game of Bachelor Superlatives, Gabby shares her opinions of the other women in the mansion.  “Bachelor Happy Hour” has exclusive interviews every week. Watch “The Bachelor” on ABC and listen to “Bachelor Happy Hour” the next morning.  Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.  See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome back. Happy Hour listeners. It's been another wild, wild week. I was going to say in the West, but we are now in Canada. And we have so much to cover from last night's episode because as on par with the Babsler, there was a lot of drama that we saw. Yes, Becca. Last night's episode was definitely intense, but I am so excited that we have Gabby here today because we saw a bit more of a serious side to her. A lot of the girls have come in and said she's the funniest in the house, but she definitely has depth too, and I want to dive in with her more. I also am so excited to talk about this episode because we were in Toronto, my whole city. That's what I was thinking about the entire time. I'm like, oh, I wonder if Serena's been to these places or could give them

recommendations anywhere. It was fun to see the hometown. And so I can't wait to get into it with both you and Gabby because she obviously got that first one-on-one in the new country. But before we do that, let's just get into last night's episode. And we have to do my favorite moment for you, Serena, our favorite fashion moment. Woo! All right, let's get right. I don't know if I don't know if that like pumped you up or not. I did. It did pump. Yeah, honestly, I want that audio every single week from you. I expect it every week now. And nonetheless. Okay. I wish we could show a photo of my notes right now because it is such a mess on this page because there was so many amazing fashion moments that I was just writing them down constantly. But I think I've narrowed them

down to my favorites and I'm really excited to share them with you. So we're going to start off. Let's start off with, we're going to go chronologically this week. So night. My favorite night look was serene on her one-on-one date right at the top of the episode. I thought that her black cocktail dress was such a staple dress. It was kind of close to the knee, form fitting. But what I love that she did was it had a, I think it was like a sparkly silver, like bedazzled strap. And it matched her shoe and her earrings so well. So it just really tied the whole look together. with, you know, all of the glitz and glam, but kind of elevated that, you know, classic staple cocktail dress.

Then my day look, you're going to be very excited about this one, Becca, because it's going to our girl Marlina. Yeah. I love her. I'm such a fan. So much. Every week, I don't think I can get more obsessed with her, and I do. But this day portion of this group date, I'm not going chronologically, but, you know, my bad.

Um, it was so many fashion moments. We saw so many trends on this date. We saw these long trench coats. We saw Rachel with a really gorgeous beige cutout shirt. Um, but Marlina takes cake for me. She's rocking denim on denim and platform shoes. She's hitting two major 2020 trends. And it just stood out for me. It was this all black outfit, but really pieced together in a very cool, stylish way. Perfect for the distillery district where they filmed this date. And last but not least, my roast ceremony look. I'm going to give two honorable mentions because there were so many great outfits and then I'm going to give you my top one. So shout out to Teddy. She was in a beautiful magenta slip dress with an awesome shoe. I wish we had seen more of that. I caught a glimpse of it and I wrote it down. And Genevieve had a great gold form fitting, very elegant gown on with I loved her earring pairing with this dress. But I hate to do this. but I have to I think I know

I'm going to give it too I think you do too I think I know I think I know I think you do too and it hurts me to do it but I have to my go-to rose ceremony

look best dress of the night was Sheney Becca I was I could see my face right now and I tried to not do it there were so many great looks but I have to

I was obsessed with her dress I was obsessed with the whole look I thought it was trendy it was chic it was flattering it stood out to me she's bringing in the gold with her blonde hair everything about it i loved the look so yeah chenaise taking my best dress at the rose ceremony i knew you were going to say it right when you paused i was like oh i know it's coming i want to add on to well not to chenaise look

but again to serene at that cocktail or yeah the cocktail party at the roast ceremony she was wearing it was like this chartreuse mustard yes and she had a like a like a square or a rectangle chunky gold earring with it. Yes. And that color was beautiful. But the top, like the cut of the and the fit of that dress was so beautiful. It was like one side I think had the

thinner spaghetti strap. The other side had the thicker tank strap. But it was just so beautiful. And that color I'm like where is she finding? I just need a DM Serena, I think, to get her style picks and just where she shops because she is just knocking it out of the ballpark for me every single

week. She is. She is. She is. some really great looks and she got the rose on that one-on-one day. So lots more good fashion looks from Serena and the women to come. I can't wait. Well, now is the time. You know, it's been fun. We've covered some fabrics, some fashion, but we got to get into the down and dirt. Thank God. Let me just say this. Thank God we did not talk about shrimp this week. Okay. I was like if we need to hear the women bickering about shrimp anymore, I'm going to turn off the TV. But just like the past couple weeks, of course, we went into the middle of an episode where there's still drama happening. Just like last week, though, one of my issues with Clayton

was that he didn't seem to be asking enough questions to gain clarity on any sort of situation involving Chenang. And that carried into this week. And I think I left even more frustrated because we saw some great women who I think I would say deserved to be there who I think are actually serious and ready to be in a long lasting relationship go home. And that was very unfortunate. Yeah, I would definitely agree with that. I mean, the women who went home this past week, I think it probably came down to a lack of a connection, but it's unfortunate that someone went home and maybe just didn't get a fair shot overall because so much of Clayton's time has gone to cheney i mean did we even see him talk to anyone else other than you know that

group chat conversation with the women and then cheney no no and that's what i was thinking it was weird because they from a bystander they didn't cancel that cocktail party it made it look like they had the party still but it was very condensed it seemed like those were the only two conversations which i understand from a tv aspect of like you have so much to condense in one episode now because you started at the middle in the middle of a cocktail party but it's there at this point i'm like there's so many women here that like i'll see bits and pieces of but not enough of and not him conversing with so i'm like i don't even know who half these women are still unless you've been on a one-on-one or involved directly in the cheney drama like they're not getting any airtime

yeah you know what i'm going to say about the cheney thing that i want to i just want to point this out And this is not me being pro-Cheney. I do not condone her behavior. But something that I think she did, that I was actually surprised she did this and it definitely worked in her favor was when Clayton pulled her aside. She sat down and went, yeah, I went.

I yelled at the girls and I threw the trophy in the pond. That was, in my opinion, the best, the only thing she could have done to maybe make Clayton feel like he could trust her because he was like, oh, yeah, this story lines up with this story. You know, she's being honest. She went and apologized to the girls. But I just don't know how he is not fed up with it at this point.

Well, right. And that's where I think not only my frustration lies, but I'm sure many of our viewers. And he's going to hear it about, he's going to hear it from the world this week. And I feel bad because I kind of know what's to come for him. But at this point, like, you've had, what, eight women talk to you directly, telling you the situation, how she was behaving what she said, what her actions were. Obviously not somebody that I'm assuming Clayton would want to be in a relationship with and like has as a future wife. But yet he still chose to keep her. It's still again unfortunate that she's gotten this far based upon everything

she's saying and doing and just really, I think like really working him over, really working the girls over, being very catty, very two-faced, pretending to be one way in front of them and then going and talking mad, mad shit in all of her interviews. Well, when we were watching her give her crying apology, I was like, I want the ITM. Where's this ITM? Because I was like, she is either going to go into ITM and be genuine, which I highly doubt. But I was waiting for the ITM because I felt like she was going to go and be like, I fake cried. I pulled one over on them once again.

But I mean, at the end of the day, I really don't think Clayton and Chenet have that strong connection. With or without the drama, I just don't really see it. between them. So if she makes it pass this two-on-one, I will be absolutely floored. Honestly, if she makes it past the two-on-one, I'm going to question Clayton. I'm calling Clayton. I'm calling Clayton with a lot of questions. Whatever. All I got to say is after all this shenay stuff, I cannot wait for Women-Tell-All because it is going to be probably the most heated women-tall we've ever seen. It's going to be. It's going to be so good. Like I, I'm a little bit scared. I'm not going to lie. I am worried for Cheney at women tall. After everything

is said and done, she will not hear that end of it. The weird thing is, I don't think Cheney's worried for Cheney. I think Cheney's just decided, you know what? I'm just going to lean into this until the day I die. Oh, gosh. I just, there's got to be some part, though, that like still cares about just being a kind human, right? Like, I can't imagine. I can't imagine. I can't imagine. her being okay with now seeing how everything has played out so far and the mad shit she's talked and how she keeps her for it she doesn't even call these this group of women women anymore she literally only refers to them as bitches which is not okay in itself yeah it will be a very interesting episode and i what so we're on episode five so we're not that far out from

women to all we're creeping up mm-hmm it's gonna come up quick i mean yeah we're already almost halfway done with the season, which seems crazy in itself because I feel like we just started it. But I feel like each week we say, there's so much still to come. There's so much still to watch. But like every week I get thrown for a loop and it just keeps, you know, at this point, it's just, I'm ready for the Cheney story to be done and for like the actual love stories to unfold. I think it's time. I think we deserve that. We do deserve it, Becca. And it does feel like we're at that turning point where the drama has kind of peaked and we're hopefully seeing the end of it in next week's episode and kind of the love stories are on the rise. I mean, this episode, even though

it was filled with drama, I really felt like we got to see a lot of his connections. I mean, Rachel, Susie, Serene, Gabby. I mean, there's a lot of girls that you can tell he has strong, strong feelings for. Definitely. Before we bring on Gabby, I want to get your favorite because obviously they filmed in Toronto your hometown you know the area was there anything that stuck out to you that you were like I used to go there this is my spot oh my god beck us I will I will talk about this all day I was so dorkly excited watching this episode so the Toronto sign is in like a main spot in Toronto and there's like an ice skating rink there in the winter and then they went through like you might have seen the fountain with all the

little doggies on it. That is, like, I used to walk past that every day when I was going to do my post-grad program at Georgetown College, which is like a few blocks up. And I'm trying to think, oh, where they filmed the group date, that is the distillery district. So it's this really cute little area in downtown Toronto. It's like all cobblestones and brick. And it looks almost like somewhat European. So that's really pretty. I'm trying to even think, Gabby, I don't know what the heck was up with her date. I just feel like, you know, no shade. to the show. But guys, Serena P. Hometown date. Hockey. Blake Moynes, hometown date, hockey. Gabby's Canada date. Hockey. Canada and specifically Toronto has so much more to

offer you guys than just some quick rookie hockey matches. Yes. When I think of Canada, I don't know if this is actually accurate, but I think of Poutine, which you had on your date. Did you on your hometown date? Didn't you Matt eat Poutine? Yes, we did Poutine. We did Poutine. We did Poutine. And we did have Beaver Tales. We just, I don't think that got shown. But those were really good. I guess she did get to go in a helicopter, which was kind of like the main event. At least they're finally able to travel internationally.

That made me happy. I guess Michelle's season did too. But it's just fun to see new places, especially for you being from your hometown. I remember feeling like that on Michelle's season when they were in Minneapolis. I was like, this is where I used to go on field trips as a young little child. Yes. Yeah, I was watching with Joe. And I was like, see where this group date is?

This is where we went for the Christmas. market in December and so yeah it was cool so fun well we should just bring on Gabby now because she was the one to experience it we can ask her how she felt about playing hockey in Toronto if she liked it if she hated it I just can't wait to have her on she's been one of my favorites so far and again because all of the women keep talking about how fun she is and how just comedic and hilarious she is I can't wait to speak with her so ladies and gents without further ado let's bring on Gabby to happy hour okay Gabby, welcome to Bachelor

Happy Hour. This is the first time we have you for an extended period of time and I'm so excited. So just to start us off, how the hell are you? I'm good. It's been like a whirlwind. I'm sure you guys know kind of once the season

starts airing and like you're watching yourself on TV and kind of navigating that whole part of things. So it's been crazy. It's been fun. But yeah, overall I'm good. good it's serena and i can speak from experience it's a weird world when you go from filming it and then you come back home and you're back in your real life your real space and then it starts

to air it's like this limbo phase where you're like i don't know what to quite do i don't know how to act how people are perceiving me so it's it's a lot to take in um but you seem to be handling it very well so oh i go in and now i don't want to give you the wrong idea you play it off well okay thanks yeah but i think everyone is in the same spot like you said so it's nice to kind of have the girl to be able to relate to and um yeah it is it's hard also because i feel like it's still even though the show's been airing for a while i still feel like it's pretty like early in the season so um that too like is just kind of like there's just a lot of anticipation a lot to look forward to so

Yeah. We can't wait. Well, let's get right into this episode, Gabby, because we have seen a decent amount of you throughout the season. I mean, we've definitely gotten little bits of you on group dates and interviews, but you got the first one-on-one date in Toronto in this episode. How did it feel when you heard your name on that date card? Oh, my God.

I was actually so overwhelmed and, like, so grateful. There was kind of a lot was going through my mind. like, thinking about it now, I feel, kind of like I said, I feel like it's still a little early in the season for me, like, as a person, it takes me a while to warm up. So, especially, like, in a relationship setting. So I thought my one-on-one happened at, like, the perfect time. But I was definitely, like, ready for it. I feel like Clayton and I's connection had kind of started to become stronger, like, throughout the group dates and stuff and just the time that we were able to spend with each other, but it is still pretty like just small snippets. Like we didn't get to

spend an extended period of time. So when I heard, well, going to Toronto, it's like at that point you just like, no, you want a one-on-one. You're like, I'm into him. I dig it. Like, I just need a chance. So I was hoping that for Toronto and then to have it happen. I was like over the moon so excited. It's so nervous, like so many emotions. But all the girls were so happy for me. So I think that was kind of a nice thing too. I start crying. It was like real raw motion. Well, I thought that moment was so sweet, to be honest, because it's not something that we see enough on this show in this setting where once you got that day card, you were so excited. The women were, most of the women besides one, were very excited for you. But I thought it was so

sweet that you thanked them. Like, thank you for being excited for me. So what was that? Like, knowing that for the most part you had all of the support behind you it's probably like you were like a girl back in college and being like I'm going on a first day with this guy and everyone's like go get him honey we'll have wine waiting for when you get home how was that with all the women and that support oh yeah like 100% um even I mean I felt it really felt so real like I was so excited like I said also really nervous to have you know your kind of best girlfriends at the time with you and being happy for you. Like, it really just meant the whole world.

And I think that is a big reason why I got so emotional because we're kind of in like a weird place at this point. Like, you know, like, women are leaving each week. You're getting more serious with Clayton. So, like, your attention is kind of divided. But so you want, you're so happy, like, for yourself. I'm like, dang, I think, you know, this could really be something with him and I. But I care so much about these girls back at home or, you know,

on the couch around me that they've given me so much support and like I don't know like what more could you ask for I honestly just felt like the luckiest person in the whole world then and having gotten so close with most of the girls I knew their reaction was just so genuine like it wasn't forced so I think that's when I was like didn't know what else to do but cry no that moment was it was a really sweet moment and I think it's nice to see those moments to show like hey, there's drama, but a lot of these girls are amazing women and do care about each other and support one another. I do want to ask a question, though, not to take this wonderful moment and be cynical about it. But I just found it really interesting because on my season, I think

like after week one, no joke into week two, day cards, people were happy and definitely like kind about it. But I think what Matt Arley did was make everyone feel really special. So everyone felt like it could be their name on the date card and when it wasn't everyone was like sunk in with disappointment on your season i could be way off with this question did you guys feel like you had as a group maybe like inclinations about who was potentially getting the date that week um i it's hard because i can't speak for any of the other women um and like i was just starting to get the groove of things you know I um I really haven't I think I almost watched the full season of your season with Matt James but um since then I was kind of in and out so I really didn't know

like the whole flow of the show so I feel like everything was pretty much a surprise to me um and the mansion happened so fast and then all of a sudden we were traveling and then Rachel and three got the one-on-one in Houston so I was like okay this all makes sense but literally something switched when we got to Toronto um it was kind of more like holy shit this is getting real like we're discovering the pattern you know um so i don't know if if it was if other women would say like they had an idea about who was gonna get picked and stuff next i mean we we literally and i don't know if you guys felt the same way but i feel like all of our women were so incredible like walking into the room night one i'm like

oh i ain't shit actually and i'm actually like so nervous you know everyone's super smart but beautiful. So it's like you really just had no idea at that point. And you don't see a lot of the conversations with Clayton. So as much as it was a surprise, at least for me, I had felt Clayton and I's relationship kind of building over the last couple weeks. But our dates were a little bit more playful, like less serious compared to the vulnerability dates and things like that. So I feel like I was definitely surprised, but I feel like I was definitely surprised. But I feel like I was ready. And I think some of the other women noticed that too. But just like Matt, it sounds like Serena, you were saying Clayton has a really special way of making everyone feel special. Like when

you sit down with them, you feel like you're the only woman in the room. So I think there's a lot of that too. I think that you probably did get a date at the perfect time because like you said, when you're in the mansion, it's such a whirlwind. You're just meeting everyone. You're moving into this new place. Drama's starting to happen. You don't quite have your bearings. So when you're finally able to travel and get the feel for your relationship with Clayton and your relationship with the women, it's a good spot at that midpoint to go into and feel like, okay, I've had several conversations with this guy. I know I'm vibing with him, but let's now see if we can make it to the next level. Totally. It seems like you, it seems like you two had a really

fun date. Obviously, you were the first person with him to explore Toronto. You went in the helicopter. You played some hockey. So how much fun did you have with him during that day? Yeah, we, Wait, I want to ask, how much fun did you have with the dog during the day? Oh, my God. Oh, no. No, it was so cute. I'm like, Gabby is me. I would be doing the same thing. Becca, I thought that. I literally thought that. I was like, this girl is Becca. I'm like, when you be distracted with the dog. I'm actually so dead that they aired that because I was like not, we were like waiting to kind of start. And, but yeah, but I think overall, kind of like I said before, a lot of the day, Clayton and I had been on were more like playful and having a sense of humor is huge to me.

I ultimately the person I end up with, I just want to make sure we can like laugh and laugh throughout all of our days. I think that's something that has longevity in it. You know, there's a lot of passion in the beginning of relationships. Like they're so, you know, hot and heavy and attraction. You need all those things. But those are also kind of the first to go to the wayside. So personality and humor is huge for me. So knowing that we already kind of had a connection.

like a little bit of a flirtatious vibe going on. I was like so stoked to see, you know, if, if we could kind of keep it, not only, not keep it up, but it's like you're spending all day with this one person. That's kind of a lot of pressure going in. So it's like you don't want any like slow moments or boring or what if, but that's kind of all life too. But I feel like we just so effortlessly had so much fun together. I feel like leaving that day, I was like, oh my God,

We're like boyfriend, girlfriend, you know, and I think that was really special because ultimately that's what the show wants to be able to mimic because you want to be successful leaving the show. Right. Yeah, absolutely. I think that, like, friends first mentality is such a good one because you're right. Like, that's what's going to last. If all the passion and the looks fade away, you know, being able to laugh together is so big.

And I feel like we kind of saw you bring out Clayton's goofy side. this was like, he looked just so relaxed in the moment on that date with you, which I really like to see. But I was definitely jealous of the helicopter portion of your date. Have you ever flown in the helicopter before? I haven't. No, I'm like trying to think, I've been in the helicopter before, but it was grounded. So I was, yeah, it's not much different. Much different. Yeah, there's, like, I think you can kind of tell him a little apprehensive. Not that, like, I'm afraid of heights, but after Susie's day, like, took a helicopter to, like, land on a yacht and then then jumping off the yacht, I was kind of like, oh, my gosh, are you having so many nerves and

didn't know what I was getting myself into? But it was so much fun. And just as I think I was able to bring out Clayton's goofier, sillier side, he was always, like, very grounding for me. It was always really easy for me to be myself and be comfortable, even if I knew what was ahead was going to make me uncomfortable, having him kind of next to me. was really helpful. What was your favorite part overall day, night, that you, that you experienced with Clayton?

I thought the hockey game was really fun. Actually, even though I'm like not a sports person. No, Gabby, I talk shit about the hockey game at the beginning of the podcast. Oh, really? We're like, if we were Gabby, we'd be pissed if we just showed up to this like concrete sidewalk. And they're like, hey, play some hockey. Oh, no. Naturally, I was like actually pissed off because they, after having done the football date, like, why are they trying to make me do sports? It's just something I don't do. But we were able to make it super funny and we basically just goofed around the whole time like it wasn't serious. But I love having an excuse to just like I'll bitch and complain the whole time. But deep down, I like love, you know, anything that makes you feel like a kid. So that was super fun. And then. I think you guys see like us in the hot tub or the pool that was like really fun and that was after

there was honestly so many good parts of the day um I'm sure that you guys saw I really opened up to him like on the nighttime portion and I knew I was ready and I wanted to and kind of like I alluded to before he made it such a safe place for me so um after that I kind of felt like a huge weight was lifted not just like for me and my journey but kind of for us like I feel like it brought us so much closer. So then we got in the pool after that. And it was like, it was just so easy, so fun and really natural kind of like what I said earlier. He makes me feel so comfortable.

So it really felt like I was truly dating him, like in a relationship. And it was the first glimpse I had had, you know, since coming on the show. So I feel like, and then after that, I think you can kind of visibly see me like relax and be so much more comfortable around him. So I think, like, the whole experience in its entirety was a huge kind of game changer for me. Let's get into the evening portion because it seemed like the day you had this great balance. You, of course, had the incredible helicopter, but still some down-to-earth moments. And it seems so lighthearted, so comfortable, so natural. And then you go to dinner and we saw, I think this is probably the first time we saw the more serious side to you,

you were able to open up about kind of why you are the way you are, how you were raised. So sitting down knowing that, okay, I'm about to have this conversation with Clayton, how scary or nerve-wracking was that for you? I was really scared. I think like anyone else would be in that position. Of course, you know, he, I knew that this was my chance to kind of deepen our relationship. I've had these conversations with boyfriends before and you want to make sure, one, that you are sharing these things that are kind of a big part of you that the other person is going to be able to, not like handle it, but kind of reciprocate and appreciate it. Like I think so much of what's scary about being vulnerable is you never know how the other person is going to react.

So in order to kind of protect yourself and have some self-preservation about moving forward, you want to make sure that it is a safe space. And Clayton had definitely proved to be that for me. So I was ready. I was nervous. I think this whole time, you know, the season's been airing for a while. So it's like, you know, you should be comfortable with him. Maybe some people are thinking this.

I don't know. I'm just like kind of coming up with scenarios. But the time you have to wait also until it feels right. like all of our kind of interactions and stuff before had been really light and funny um and sometimes that's just the way things are and and i of course want to read the room and i never felt comfortable to a place where i'd be like okay i just like whatever did all that shit on the lifeguard date and now i'm going to sit down and like talk to you about kind of my childhood like it didn't really match up so i feel like again it was the perfect time for me to have a one-on-one

and to open up. And I really did feel confident going in that he would receive it well. And that means so much because it's kind of like positive reinforcement. Like, oh, you can, you can trust people and they will appreciate where you're coming from and understand how this makes you who you are. Well, I thought it was an incredible moment because you not only shared your story, but one part that stuck out and resonated with me and I'm sure it did with many viewers is you talked about putting in the work and learning from your childhood and why those moments shaped you into the woman you are today, but then putting in time for therapy and how that helped grow you into the woman that you are now able to be on the show, be able to give your all in a relationship to potentially

say yes to a future and a partnership at the end of this. And I thought that was such a mature standpoint because, you know, every season, there's so many different ages, maturity levels on the show but for I think you to sit down and talk about yep therapy has helped me and this is why and this is how it shaped me I think was so important that that viewers will definitely appreciate that so thank you for sharing that that was I can't imagine it was easy but that was a big moment and so I'm glad that Clayne was able to hear that from you did you feel good in his responses to you after sharing all of that oh definitely um which I think there's also something to be said about when someone does have something to share to you that's kind of heavy and big sometimes there's not

always a perfect response in fact a lot of times i think there's not so for me he kind of understood that and really just gave me space and i could tell with his body language um and just his overall demeanor that he in that moment he knew he there was nothing really right of him to say but he just like allowed me to say it and made me feel really safe so i think that's really really the best thing that anyone can do for someone in this situation. And then he said some really nice, like heartfelt things afterwards to where I knew that not only was he kind of processing it, but he, he wanted to kind of reciprocate and give me some validation, which was huge in that moment. I mean, and the bigger context of things, I'm here kind of showing all, like,

my deepest, darkest innards while there's, however many women, still here, you know, at home, but you take that chance, and he made me feel really good doing that. So, yeah. Yeah, well, I think we've seen that kind of theme. We've heard a lot of women say that he really made you guys feel safe, which I think is such a wonderful quality. And I think it was really beautiful seeing you open up and be vulnerable. And you just came across so confident and self-aware and mature in your delivery. Oh, thank you. So I really commend you for that. And I'm pro therapy. Also, I love therapy. I think it's the best thing ever. Oh, amen. And I don't, I don't think we hear enough about that on the show. So I think that it was great to kind of

have that advocacy moment. I do want to ask you a question. I'm taking so long to get to it. Welcome to my words, Seria. I know. In fact, I'm turning into you. You've been talking to me for too long. But you discussed, so when we saw you discuss this with Clayton, you started off by sharing how you are good at giving love but not receiving love and why that has, why you were like that. And I just want to know because I thought that was such a brave and almost important thing to share with a partner. Is that something that you have always shared in relationships? Yeah, I think so. And kind of going back to the therapy talk, which like there's so many layers. And I feel like we're lucky to live in an age where we have a ton of resources. And there's actually, you know, a ton of like research and education out there to help people and what they've gone through and stuff. So I, but I just like just, I don't want to act like I know everything, whatever. This is like very specific to me. But therapy kind of teeth.

you a lot about why you are the way you are and knowing that there's reasoning and where it came from is huge for processing and growing and learning. So kind of initially going to therapy, I was like, I know something's off, you know, like the way that I interact in my romantic relationships, even friendships at times too. I kind of have a hard time fully trusting. But therapy was able to give me some insight and educate me. on because growing up I kind of go into this on the show my my mom and I kind of had an atypical relationship my parents were pretty young having us my parents divorced early and my dad was active duty so he wasn't always around in the military and so my mom was working two

jobs kind of she did the best she could basically but I I had to learn how to be my own parent at a young age. So there's a lot of like self-protection and self-preservation in that moving forward as a child. So I think that has kind of led me to be like, I can give. I feel comfortable giving because that's less scary to me than receiving something that may or may not be true or that maybe could be taken away later or what does receiving love actually mean? because when I was younger, it was a little muddled. So that had kind of helped me, you know, move forward and share those things with Clayton

kind of from a more objective standpoint. I do get emotional, of course. But I'm kind of learning how to process things and take it more objectively instead of emotionally. So I think that, and it has been common in my prior relationships, but I honestly didn't know that much about it until recently. Mm-hmm. And yeah, I don't want to speak for you because everyone's situation is so vastly different. But it, you know, I can speak from my personal experience. You know, if you're more of a nurture, it's sometimes weird when that comes back to you. You don't quite know how to process and handle it. But you mentioned just putting in so much time and work to get to this place that you are now, which is an incredible place to be. And of course, there's always going to be growth that can happen in life. But do you have any advice? for people out there who might be struggling with a similar situation oh gosh um that is really nice that you think I could ever give advice I honestly try and always steer clear um but I think for me it's

just like um I one knowing like you're not alone I know it sounds so cliche but going to therapy I think really helps open that door that's like we've kind of an and also every experience is different and each person has a different amount of resilience that you're able to kind of execute towards these situations so even though the same thing that could happen to me maybe it could happen to someone else but they have a completely different response and that's okay kind of validating your own experience and knowing that it is okay and you that you feel these way and like you can work towards it um i think just kind of having the attitude and courage to kind of figure it out and learn that it's not a bad thing.

It's nothing to be ashamed of. And like to preach it to everyone. I love that. Well, I think that it was amazing that we got to see so many more sides of you in this episode. We've seen that fun, goofy, playful side. But there's, I think you actually said this a couple episodes ago. You're like, I'm an onion. I have layers.

And I feel like we've really gotten to see that kind of unfold. So it was a really beautiful episode to kind of have you share your story. But it wasn't all, you know, it was playful and then it got serious. And then we did have some really wonderful, romantic moments. We did see you tell Clayton that you were falling for him. How did that feel? I mean, it feels like so good. I think looking back on this episode and my time there, it really truly felt like all

of the good things that are special about the beginning of a relationship. I mean, you have butterflies, um, just kind of emotions are crazy, like probably hormones. I mean, all this wild shit is happening like in real time that makes you feel so light and it's fun, you know, kind of being in a new relationship and having these feelings. So as much and I'm like, I, my love language is definitely not words of affirmation. I'm much I can like spend, like, spend quality time and and I'm pretty like physically affectionate but I've never been good with my words so actually verbalizing it was scary but also it felt like so good you know just to be able to share this with somebody and kind of see that the process can work I think initially I came in

as a skeptic um which I feel like we kind of all should of making like a huge leap of faith in a scenario and environment like this i need to maintain kind of a semblance of myself so that's also a reason i think why i wasn't comfortable kind of opening up all the way at first because i was still testing the waters what is actually going on here you know um but then i think after after that date with him i felt really confident and i was like oh wow like you know we're doing it i have feelings it seems like you know he was able to reciprocate them as well so it really just felt so good and it felt so real, which I think is important. I love that. You mentioned this process actually works because you will soon find out that's

one of the main questions that anyone that's a fan of the show will ask you. Like, does it actually work? Is it real? And so I mean, Serena can speak for herself. She has a ring to prove it. It is real. But what I want to say to that question just before you ask yours, Becca, is real to me is like someone's experience. Like my experience was real. Like whether like yes it's an edited TV show but like my day to day experience and like what I live on a day that's real. Like everything I experience is real. So it's just always a funny question to me when people are like what is the show real? It's like well my experience was real and it works for people because people are married. People are having babies. People are in relationships. It's yeah it's it's like how do you describe what is real to someone?

or not. I want to do this because I feel like especially after this week, Clayton is going to get a lot of backlash just for keeping Chenay around, for all of the drama that is still penetrating throughout the, I want to say the house, but now the hotel that you're in. So what are, let's build him up a bit. What are the top three qualities or things that you know that you love about Clayton or that makes you feel special? Anything. Let's just hype him up. Yeah, I love. yeah totally um which i also think it's important to know i mean watching back and seeing shene's interviews we're shocked about like what was said and actually um what her kind of motives and ulterior motives were so i think it's it's new for everyone almost to to an

extent and especially clayton i mean he was kind of um i know we kind of tried to give him some insight and stuff but also there was a sense of like well i don't want to meddle too much because i actually don't know truly what's going on and like this is about finding love so like who knows you know maybe like their connection is actually over the moon and like there was like lots of confusion so i do wish people would have a little more grace not saying that any of shene's actions are like right um but i think he's he is he's just super genuine like Like, he is just a really good person. I think, and that strives, or is that the word?

No, no, no. I don't know. But that is, like, what he ultimately just, like, wants to do, you know, like, wants to navigate, like, and make good decisions as a good person. And I think he really exudes that in person when you're with him. He always kind of just left a huge comforting space for whoever he was speaking with. he always made you feel like you're the only girl in the room like nothing was like dumb or no conversation was off topic he was down to like talk about anything which i think is great

um and like he does he has a great sense of humor like he's always got to have fun he's just a really fun person to be around but um i think you can also like trust him you know he would never on purpose hurt anyone's feelings like there's just not a malicious bone in his body So I think that's three. I love that. Yeah. That's good. I think we need to do that more often, especially whether it's with the lead or any

contestant just because this world is crazy. You get love, you get hate, and it's just good to remember. Like, he was chosen as the lead for a reason. And we got to keep that at the forefront. One thing that I want to ask you about and kind of going back to what you had just said about this is Clayton's and everyone's first time really seen how Cheney was behind the scenes in her ITMs and in her interviews. You had some sort of relationship with her. You obviously lived with her for weeks. What is that like now when you're at home watching these episodes

and hearing her call you all bitches and I hate that word. I hate that I keep saying it too, but I'm just using what she's saying. Like she uses these derogatory terms. towards all of you women. She just has a lot of nasty things to say. So how do you feel after living with her and hearing those things that she's saying? For me, I feel honestly tricked. I think a lot of us really tried to give her benefit of the doubt time after time again because in our minds it's like, well, maybe, you know, there has to be a reason why she's sticking around. We weren't privy to a lot of her conversations, you know, with Elizabeth, but, you know, knowing nobody should weaponize mental health against someone.

And at times it seems like Cheney would kind of come back from that, be friendly to us in the house. She was kind of hinting that maybe there is like change on the horizon. So I think each new place we went, we were like, okay, this is, you know,

this is when Cheney's going to figure it out and be nice to us or like, you know, kind of always give her space and a chance for redemption. but then watching her interviews, knowing that she was on purpose manipulating the situation and maybe telling us one thing and completely thinking another when we know this is going to be aired on national television, people will see the full story because you can't hide it. So I guess like the confidence and security she had being a complete different way to the women versus Clayton, I just felt like kind of tricked.

you know i'm like damn i feel dumb for trying to stick up for your ass you know but like i think that's being in that situation when you're in such a bubble and that's how good the women are in the house we didn't want to have this drama we didn't want to like have these strong negative feelings towards someone because i think the hardest part for me being there and watching back was she was taking time away from other phenomenal women who also deserve a chance at finding love But because there was so much drama and so much attention given to that, I mean, women went under the radar, maybe didn't have, like, as big of a chance as they had to to connect with Clayton because this was clouding the whole picture. Yeah. And I mean, at the end of the day, you guys constantly giving her a chance and trying to see the best in her speaks to your character and her interviews speak to her character.

That's all I'm going to say about that. But I felt so bad for you, Gabby, when the end of the episode hit. And it was you, Genevieve and Shaday just stuck in this house together. I know. Well, it was so crazy. Actually, that whole week was like a whirlwind because, you know, we got there and I got the, we like, whatever, see the place, read the date card. And I'm the first date of the week.

So I'm like, holy shit, kind of on a different wavelength than that, like thinking about myself and like do I get to change I don't like my outfit um and then I was thinking about that I would be the same oh my god yeah and they're like no and I was like but um but then the whole week kind of got so crazy I came home kind of late coming back from the one-on-one I was in a completely different world you know I was like oh I'm in love and like but there was like kind of attention in the house And it's like, what is going on here? And the next day, I mean, when was the last two-on-one? Like, kind of a long time ago, right?

Well, my season had a two-on-one. Oh, it did. Did Michelle's have one? No, I don't think Michelle's had one. But Michelle would send people home, like, literally within, like, four minutes of the drama starting. I don't think they had a chance to do the two-on-one. I know she's a real one for that. but yeah i wasn't even thinking about that like that it would maybe happen you know and then the

next day the girls like who were going on the other date were all dressed up and then me jenev and cheney are still in our sweats and i was like oh no something weird's happening here and then we you know spent like the whole week basically together kind of in the house while the other girls were on their date so it was hard at that point honestly um cheney did just really keep her distance from everyone. So I just felt bad for my friend, Genevieve. I'm like, God, I'm so sorry. You know, you have to go through all this and you're subject to this basically because she became a target because she was sticking up for Elizabeth. Like, that's, you know. Well, that's something I want to ask about because, I mean, before you hopped on Serena and I did a quick little recap, and we obviously

talked about all of the Chenet drama. And that's, I think everyone's focus right now, especially with the two on one is Chenet. But poor Genevieve is here. She's. seems very confused of like why she's there. And I obviously, they kind of piece it together from the week before of like you just said, her sticking up for Elizabeth, but she, I honestly I was like, none of these women belong

on the two on one was Chenet. At this point, it just seems weird and it's like he just had to pick somebody and poor Genevieve was, you know, the victim of this. But how was she feeling? Because from what we saw, Chenet seemed confident. She had a plan. She said that

she had rehearsed her script of what she wanted to say. She said that. Yeah, she's like, I wrote down what I want to say. And she practiced it. I wrote down my script. I rehearsed it in the mirror. And then so,

and then on the whole other end of the spectrum is Genevieve being like, I don't quite know why I'm here. This is weird. What am I supposed to do? So, and it sounds like you were closer with Genevieve. So how was she, like where was her mindset going into that day?

I think Genevieve was really levelheaded about everything and like, honestly, good for her. because I was nervous. I'm like, I don't know what's going on here. You only see, you don't see both sides of things. So when we were like, who's going to come home, I wasn't going to be surprised if Cheney came home.

I mean, she made it this far. Of course, I would be upset, but I was truly terrified on what was going to happen. But Genevieve was honestly so good about it. I think she had such a good attitude going in. You know, she's not as bad as Cheney. but but kind of could almost see like the four trees from the forest as I was saying whatever she could see clearly um and like good on her because I would be freaking out and I think

Genevieve was just like look I'm going to be myself I'm going to tell the truth and that's like all I can do which is true like you can only tell your side of things and then ultimately it's up to Clayton so but we all really felt for her like the mood in the house was so somber. It's just getting out of control. We're seeing a lot of negativity. Yeah. But I mean, I'm curious. I mean, I'm hopeful. I'll say that that next week, the two-on-one-one ends the way that we would all like to see it end. But we've got one more question for you, Gabby, and then we're going to play a fun bachelor happy hour game with you. If you could describe the rest of Clayton's season without spoiling too much in only three words, what would they be?

um twist and turns i like that i like that we've never gotten someone to give a phrase before it's always like three and turns that's amazing yeah gabby you are a clever clever woman i love that yeah it usually people are like um germy or love emotional yeah i love the twist and turns it was all that too but this whole entire season so far has been that so I have I can imagine it keeping up um we're going to get into the game but I just have to ask this because we've talked about cheney in this drama for so long has she because I know there's always a group chat with all the girls and the guys too on each season has she apologized at this point to anyone for anything not that I'm aware no okay all right

well women till all is coming up in a in a few weeks so that will be very interesting until then miss gabby let's get in to our game we play this with all of our guests so it's basically rapid fire bachelor superlatives so we're going to give you uh most likely to dot dot and then you just have to give us the woman in clayton's group of women who it would apply to all right gabby who is most likely to get the party started um i would say marlina Okay. Yes, she's fun. And let me just say, you can say yourself for some of these, too, okay?

Okay. Who is most likely to get the ladies laughing? Oh, well, I don't want to say myself, but so many other people have said it. Say you have to say yourself. I will say Marlina's hilarious, too. So, again, everyone's honestly so funny. We would just, like, laugh our ass off all the time. But I'll say it, me.

Okay. I love it. Okay. Who is the best cook? Kate, oh my God. She would always like whip something up for us. Yeah. I liked Kate.

She was gone too soon. Way too soon. Totally agree. Who's the first person to wake up in the morning? I'm like, I don't know because it definitely wasn't me. Honestly, probably Molina. Like, yeah. He heard that before too.

Yeah, we heard she was a workout beast. She is. Very balanced. Okay. Most likely to be named Miss Congeniality. Susie. Mm-hmm. That's a common one, too.

Yeah. Best smile in the house. Oh my gosh. Therine has a great smile. She goes to me. I feel like you all have great smiles. Yeah, lots of good teeth in this group of women. Is that a weird thing to say?

They're also nice and shiny way. Yes. Get some Colgate ads up in here. Seriously. There's all those list of these strips. Oh, yeah. We're going to read this as an ad next week, Serena, probably. Absolutely.

All right. Best dressed. Let's see. Best dressed. I want to say Rachel has really good style. I feel. She does. She's had some really good looks.

I feel like, yeah. I mean, honestly, all the girls, we were all switching clothes. left and right. Oh, wait, I have to ask you this. Did you wear Eliza's dress this week? Okay. Because I was looking at it and I was like, oh, I really like that

outfit and I was like, I think Eliza wore this in episode too. I know. What one was it? The white one? No, it was the nude one that was like the one strap. It was the week she didn't get the one-on-one. Yes. But I only picked up on it because A, I do the fashion for recaps and B, we used to do that

all the time on our season two. Maggie he actually got sent home in Rachel's dress on my season and they had to like get it in bring a back to her. Oh my God. That was the best part. It's just it's like a rotating closet each week and for the most sort of everyone's willing to share. It's so nice because I need all the help I can get. Okay. Biggest gossip. Um, oh, well, I mean, Cassidy, I feel. That's like going too too far back but yeah no it works okay most likely to steal clayton first at a cocktail party um i mean cassidy we all got yeah PTSD from that yeah who was the first to go to bed um susy is always sleeping so probably her i don't blame her yeah those don't

night's hard. I'm exhausting. Yeah. All right. Who is the messiest? Ooh, you guys are asking hard ones, kind of. I honestly, I would probably say me. I don't know. I'd like go into a new hotel and it looks like I'd been there for years. It just automatically, like, throw up everywhere. Who is most likely to be found lounged by the pool? Oh, me. I did ask a ride. away if there was a cap on how much time we could spend in the pool. I think somebody said you for this one too. Yeah. Yeah. All right. And last but not least, who is most likely to be a bridesmaid in your wedding? Oh, oh my God. That's so sweet. Can I name everybody? You cannot. One name. Give us two or three. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I would say Susie Marlina

and um let i know it's so hard oh my god i know i don't want to piss anyone up if i know i'm like i'm like what's it hunter i really it's like hate malina i just keep going i really like hunter hunter do you say hunt i think she's so underrated if she doesn't end up screen time i want her i want her in paradise and i want to see more of her oh i agree she's great let me ask you this at your future wedding will you serve shrimp cocktail yes or no okay you're asking the wrong girl because i love shrimp cocktail i do i do too but i feel like it's getting tainted for me honestly i can't even say the word shrimp in my head i'm like what does it even mean anymore it's completely lost its meaning as a shellfish the amount of dms that i've gotten from people just sending me like a picture of a shrimp or like

grocery shopping and seeing the box of shrimp or the bag of shrimp i'm like you guys i'm not even on this season don't send it to me i know everyone's really running with it okay well you you know that if anyone's on paradise from this season that's going to be like their intro is them eating shrimp or something was shrimp um okay gabby before we let you go we're all going to go around and share our rose and thorn so basically what we thought was the best moment i mean for serena and i will do the best and our least favorite moment of the week but you can do so far this entire season if you want since you live it. So to kick it off, I'm going to say my rose of the week. Oh, God. Can I give two? Of course. Okay. I have to give a shout out to my girl Marlina. Her roast was impeccable. The delivery was on

point. Like everything about it was so good. We didn't talk about it in the recap and I should have. Yeah, we did not talk about the roast enough. That was a great date. I was so much from watching that. I was so pissed. I wasn't on it. Obviously stoked. I was on the one-on-one. But then when they read the group date card I wasn't there and they were like we think we're going on a roast and I'm so upset but Marlina I'm so pissed Marlene we were roommates in Toronto and she came home from the roast at like 3 a.m and she like pulled out her notebook and she was like you want to hear and I was like I got to hear it all she did so good and she opened the roast too which really set the bar high I was like shit they should have saved her for last because she was so good but that was one of my roses my second

Rose was our favorite actress, Meryl Streep, was dropped in the episode again because, I mean, she was compared to Cheney, which I will not say Cheney is that kind of an actress, but she's okay. But I just love that for some reason, Bachelor Nation, you know, Meryl Streep is now part of us, even though she probably doesn't want to be. Greg mentioned Meryl Streep on, I totally forgot about that. And then she just keeps on coming back. Big Merrill fans out here.

Yeah, yeah. My thorn of the week is probably the fact for the two-on-one that those girls looked freezing and I would have been miserable if I was on that date next to the cold assholes. I've been there and I can confirm it was definitely freezing. In the summer it's cold because it's freezing water. Oh, I bet. Okay. My Rose is going to have to be seeing my city on the screen for the episode. It was so fun for me to watch you guys run around Toronto.

And I'm also going to say I felt like this was the most relaxed we've seen Clayton yet. Just in his connections with the women on the dates, I think he's really kind of like those nerves maybe have kind of settled down. And I like seeing that side of him. And then my thorn is going to be Sheney's fake tears. I felt like they were fake when I was watching them. She confirmed it in her interview. and to me it is just such a cheap move and I did not enjoy it. Yeah, I remember as it was happening, I was like, who made her do this?

This was not her idea. Who pulled out the eye drops? Right. But she did it, but she still did it. She could have said no. Yeah. All right, Gabby, give us your rose and thorn. I think my rose is definitely just my one-on-one.

I think it gave me a chance to really open up and kind of show other sides of me, which I was really excited to do and kind of looking for the opportunity. And I think it is like a jumping off point for Clayton and I's relationship. And I agree, Serena. Like he also, we were also noticing how like more relaxed and kind of comfortable. in the role he started to become. So I think that was really fun to see. And then my thorn will always be just watching my friends,

like some of my friends go home every week. Each row ceremony, I'm like sobbing. Because I do, I hold my girlfriends and my friendship so tight. So it was just so emotional, kind of like a little piece of you leaves, you know, like your comfort and safety net. So that was always my thorn. I have to ask you this before we let you go. who was a better kisser clinton or that cute little dog

i thought you're going to say the pillow me too and i'm like i said it once i'll say it again the pillow um i'll have to give it to clake yeah i hope so yeah i don't my favorite part was when you were petting you were laying on the ground petting the dog and then clain came up and sort of petting the dog's head and then started petting your head i'm like i know and i was like no not the time I'm busy. Don't interrupt me. This is not a two-on-one-one, okay?

Yeah. Gabby, it has been such a pleasure having you. You are one of our favorites. We were so excited that we could finally get you this week, especially after your monumental one-on-one. So thank you for joining the happy hour, and we hope to see so much more of you. Oh, thank you for coming.

Oh, it's so great meeting you guys. Thank you. I really liked Gabby. I knew I knew I was going to like her before she came on, But the fact that she loves dogs just as much as me, Anne doesn't like sports and it's not athletic. I'm like, she is a woman after my own heart. She's your soul mate. She truly is.

If it doesn't work out with Clayton, it doesn't work out with Thomas. Move over, fellas. It's me and Gabby. No, I really liked her too. I really enjoyed our interview with her. She just, I feel like what you see is what you get with her. Like everything we've seen of her on the show, that energy just came right through on this podcast as well. And yeah, she's just, she's a very beautiful, confident woman.

I really loved having her. Yeah. Back to, I think you had mentioned this earlier, but her self-awareness is, it's so good and so refreshing to see, especially on this show, on this show. And so I'm glad we were able to have her. She's welcome back anytime. I don't know how far she makes it. I don't know if we'll see her at Women Tell All. If we'll see her on the finale, who knows. But all I know is I want to see more of that one. So, Serena, thank you for doing this again with me this week. A huge thank you to Gabby for being here. The biggest thank you goes out to all of our bachelor happy hour listeners because we could not do this without you each and every week. And I've said it before many a time, but I'm going to say it again as a reminder. We are still casting for both the bachelor and bachelorette. So if you know of somebody great that you think should be on the show or if you even just want to nominate yourself, you can head to bacheloration.com slash apply. Also, be sure to hit us up on social. You can follow us at at Bachelor Happy Hour on Instagram. And from there, you'll find everything you need to know

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