Bachelor Happy Hour - Genevieve on Going Against Shanae

Episode Date: February 15, 2022

This week on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” Genevieve stops by to discuss everything we saw during the two-on-one date and break down all of the drama from this week’s episode of “The Bachelor.” In her conversation with Becca and Serena, Genevieve discusses her theory on the origins of Shrimpgate, her reaction to being called an actress, and why she was the right person to take on Shanae in the two-on-one. Plus, she reveals exclusive details from the celebration of Shanae’s departure, and Becca and Serena discuss whether age matters on “The Bachelor.”     Then, in her Bachelor Fashion Breakdown, Serena reveals her favorite looks from this week’s episode, and in a game of Bachelor Superlatives, Genevieve shares her opinions of the other women from Clayton’s season.  “Bachelor Happy Hour” has exclusive interviews every week. Watch “The Bachelor” on ABC and listen to “Bachelor Happy Hour” the next morning.  Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.  See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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wherever you get your podcasts welcome back happy hour listeners it was another crazy week here at the bachelor and boy do we have a lot to talk about from last night's episode Becca with the never-ending puns I did there I love every second of it last night's episode last night's episode was definitely intense. And I think I speak for all of Bachelor Nation when I say how happy I was to finally see the Sheney drama end. Shrimp Gate is no more. And I am so excited that we have Genevieve here today to talk about that very intense one-on-one plus so much more from the episode. Yes. There was a lot that went down. And like you, I'm excited to have Genevieve on because it seemed like she was very shocked in a lot of last night's episode. So now that

she's had time to process everything, I can't wait to get into it all with her. But before we do, let's give a little recap. First, we of course have to do your favorite fashion moments to start this episode. So take it away, Serena. All right, let's kick it off. I'm going to start off with a quick shout out that I have been meaning to give for the past three weeks. And this is the week I'm going to do it. So I want to give a shout out to Susie because her hair and makeup has been so good these last couple weeks. Her hair and makeup, for whatever reason, always looks fresh when I'm sure, having been on the show, she did it like eight hours before. She loves playing with different eye looks, different lip colors, different hair, and I love it. So I want to give her a shout

out to that. And then moving on into our fashion, best dressed at the rose ceremony this week is going to go to our girl, Rachel. She was wearing a beautiful pink satin gown. And what I loved was this was a really simple look that got elevated with kind of the details of the dress. So there was a cinch waist with a little twist in the center, a cross thick strap with a peekaboo back. And then she paired a lot of different neutral tones together. So we had cream nails and heels, peachy makeup, gold jewelry. So lots of beautiful neutral colors coming together to make this look still simple, but just more interesting overall. And then that little pony in the back, I loved it. Moving on to our night look, we have Teddy. Teddy always goes pretty simple and sexy and I love

her style. But she went a little bolder this week with her date night look. It was a pink tie-dye dress, a little bit of a boostier top. And then the bottom almost looked like a sarong where it was cinched on one side. I just thought it fit her so well. It gave me kind of tropical vibes. The weather in Croatia looked a little warmer. So that contrast between the cold Toronto style to the warm Croatia style was a great one.

And then last but not least, my favorite day look, I'm going to give it to the warrior costumes because honestly, I loved them. I thought they actually looked so fun, so good. I want that for my next Halloween costume. I agree. I was feeling Game of Thrones mixed with like a knight's tail. I loved it. It looked like such a fun day. And I want to touch on the fact that obviously we are now in Croatia. They travel to someplace more, but I got to give a shout out. So I'm Croatian. My family is still, some of them are in Croatia. And so to see the homeland, if you will, was so exciting. If you have not been to Croatia, I highly recommend it. It is beautiful. The people are incredible. The food's good. So that was, I think, one of my favorite standout things just from the overall episode was that they were traveling there. It was so fun to see.

Let's get into it, though, because you'd mentioned at the very top of this episode, Sheney is no more. Shrimp Gate is gone. We threw her in the Niagara Falls. She is swimming with the other shrimp. Swimming with the other shrimp. And it was such, I mean, you could see the women's excitement when her suitcase was taking. and obviously, but it just felt different, I think, moving forward into that group date without her. Like, there was just like this lightness, this friendliness. You could just, like, it was

palpable, I would say, as a viewer, that, you know, she was not lingering anymore, which was very refreshing as a viewer. Yes. I think it was time for her to go. I mean, I actually think time for her to go was a few weeks back. But I'm really glad that Clayton made that decision to keep Genevieve, send Sheney home. I was cheering at my TV screen when I saw that moment. And I mean, there was a lot of big moments on that two-on-one date, but I think we should wait for Genevieve to kind of get into all of that. I think now that Sheney's gone, we kind of had a new star of the show this episode, and it was Mara for me. I mean, we saw so much of her, but I'm going to be honest. Wait, Mara, Mara, like Mara and sauce. Shoot, Mara, like Mara and Arsasas. Mara, I'm so sorry if you're listening to this.

That's how I remember it. It's Maranerisis. Yes. I want to know, Becky, your thoughts on mayor of this episode, because I have a lot of them. Yeah, she, I mean, she's never been one to be shy. Obviously, since 9-1, she's been more outspoken, which I appreciate. But you can tell she's spiraling at this point. And rightfully so, I understand she is now at this point the only woman who has not received a one-on-one. Other women have now gotten two one-on-ones. And so I see. see the issue where she's coming from. But I think the fact that she's fixating so much now on the other women, especially Sarah, is not going to be good for her. What are your thoughts on

her? Very similar. I mean, I do think it's hard to be in that position where you feel like you haven't been given a fair shot and you haven't gotten that time. But I do think Mara needs to kind of get a little tough love there and hear that, you know, maybe Clayton just doesn't feel it. And he maybe just doesn't feel that connection that she feels because that's kind of the vibe that I'm getting. I really have an issue with her fixating so much on the age of these women. And maybe that's because I was always the youngest. I was the youngest on Paradise and I was one of the youngest on my season.

And she seems to be really obsessed with these younger women and how they can't be ready for an engagement. They can't be ready for marriage. And she is because she's 33 and Sarah's not because she's 23. And you raise a good point because that's one thing, as I was watching, she's calling out Sarah's age, how she's only 23. And I'm sitting there, I'm like, well, Serena was at age two when she went on the show and when she went on to Paradise and now she is in love, she's engaged. So for you personally, how was that feeling? Were you like, but it's like, you can't just fix it on that one thing because everyone's story and relationship is so vastly different. It was frustrating for me for sure because I just. just don't think that it's fair for her to be comparing her connections and herself to the other women. If you have a connection, you have a connection. And I would hope that at this point,

all of the women there are open to an engagement because we're down to the wire now. But, oh, I was going to say some. Oh, what I want to point out is people really like to equate age to maturity and readiness. But Cheney is 29 or 27. She's in her late 20s. And she was the one causing all the drama this season. Mara, you're the oldest one in the house you're claiming at this point, yet you're the one going and sabotaging other women's relationships. So it's not necessarily that the youngest women in the house are the ones that are causing the drama and acting immaturely. I mean, I would argue Cheney was the most immature of the entire cast.

And she's one of the older women. I think Cassidy was in her late 20s too. So I don't think it's fair for someone to judge someone on their age in terms of like, are you ready? And going back, I mean, just from my personal experience, when I was on The Bachelor, the youngest woman there was Becca, who was at that point 22. Fast forward, she is in a loyal, loving, committed relationship. She has two beautiful children. She still out of all of those women who were on that season was the youngest. But like, you know, she's living her own life and she's making her own path in the way that she sees fit. And so, yeah, it's Mara made a point where at one point she was like, well, when I I was 23. I wasn't ready to get engaged. And I wanted to be like, well, that's you. You've had totally different experiences in life to get you to where you are now. And I agree. When I was 23, I thought I found the one. I was in a relationship all throughout college. I was like, I'm getting married. He's the guy. And of course, like, so many things

happened that didn't lead to that. But, like, everyone's different. And so I hate that we keep ragging on people's age, whether somebody's too young or now when somebody's too old, we call them cougars and I've made that same joke about myself so I have no excuse but we can't keep talking about age here because as we've seen throughout every season there's so many different ages there's so many different maturity levels but I love that you touched on the fact that some of the older women were causing the most drama that's a very good point thanks yeah I would say on our season it was similar a lot of the women involved in the drama and I'm not generalizing I'm not saying that you know if you're one of the older women on the season you're guaranteed to but

I mean, Kit was the youngest in our season. She was incredibly mature. So I would just encourage Mara to, if you're feeling insecure about your relationship, focus on building that relationship and not tearing down the other women. She said, you know, I'm just keeping it real. I'm just being 100. I'm just being honest. But at the end of the day, Clayton didn't ask.

And on top of that, she keeps emphasizing how much she brings to the table. And I believe she brings all of that to the table. I believe she's a wonderful woman of great character and is going to be an amazing wife. But at the end of the day, you can be all that, and it can still just not be a fit with Clayton. And that's okay. And I think she kind of needs to accept that. Right, right. And I think very soon, I mean, we kind of see how it ends with the to be continued once again.

And Sarah going home, I'm assuming Sarah will confront her after her second one-on-one with Clayton. But I have to say, I feel like the end is near for Mara. I can't, just like I said earlier, it's like the downward spiral. I feel like she's not doing herself any favors by continuously bringing this up to the other women and to Clayton. So I think it's going to be very short-lived here for her. One thing I want to get into besides all of the drama and the catiness is it seems like this week really took a turn in the love stories. I would say because now we've seen his connection with Rachel, which is very strong. we saw Susie playing like this little separate side date for him, which I thought was very

cute, taking him up to the clock tower and telling her, telling Clayton that she is now falling for him. So I feel like we're finally on the right path where we're taking a turn for what the show is all about. And that's, you know, finding those relationships, building those connections to lead to an engagement. And I feel like Clayton is finally starting to feel confident in that too. Yes. I definitely would really say we've taken that turn. I'd be lying if I said I didn't love the drama. I want the drama. I want it for the whole first half of the season. I'm invested in it. But we're at the point where I'm ready for it to be gone and I love watching those

relationships unfold. We also saw Rachel. Rachel's gotten two group date roses and a one-on-one date rose this season. So I think that's a huge indicator to Clayton's feelings for her. I mean, I think their connection is so obvious. They are absolutely adorable together. But I will say that Susie and Clayton's moment stole the show for me this episode. I actually, I don't really get emotional watching The Bachelor, but I got kind of emotional watching that moment just because it took me back to my moment in Paradise with Joe because I was so beyond nervous and then confess to my feeling saying I was falling in love with him.

And I just felt, I don't know, Clayton was just so elated and so happy to see her. her. And I feel like we haven't seen as much of their relationship as we see with Rachel and Clayton or some of the other women, even like Gabby and Clayton. But that to me, I was like, wow, their connection is really strong and they're forming a really beautiful relationship. Yeah. Oh, I agree. I feel like at this point, we can kind of pick out our frontrunners here. I can kind of start to piece together who I think like top four will be, maybe top two. and fun fact serena and i have a bet going on now that because we obviously don't know how it ends we have like we're piecing together some things but we have a bet for what was it for

whoever he ends up with yes right like the other person if he ends up with someone we've each picked who we think it's going to be yes and if i lose i have to buy beka dinner and drinks wearing joe's clothing and if back to lose she has to buy me dinner and drinks in Thomas's clothing. So regardless, we're going to be swimming in dinner. Meadless to say, one of us will be. So stay tuned for that. We just have so much to get into with Genevieve today

because she was obviously on that two-on-one. I feel like it was a ton for her to process with everything, Cheney and then Clayton's accusations for her. So without waiting any longer, let's just bring Genevieve on to Happy Hour right now. Let's do it. Well, welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour. Genevieve. We're so excited to have you because there's a lot we have to get into from this past week and frankly, just from this overall season. So we want to get to know you so much more. So welcome to start out. How the hell have you been? Well, thank you for having me. First of all, I'm so excited to be here. I've been doing really well watching back. It's definitely, it's interesting. You see stuff that you didn't see in the house. But overall, I've been doing.

doing very well since since I've been home. Yeah. Well, good. I'm sure it's this weird. I mean, we've talked about this with all of our guests, this weird limbo phase of you obviously lived it in real time when it was filming. Then you had to wait a little bit before it starts airing. And now, like you said, there's so much more to witness between conversations you didn't see interviews you never heard about. So it's got to be this weird juxtaposition you're living in now where you're finally able to piece everything together. And we have a lot of feelings of everything that we've seen, especially for you going on that 2-1-1.

But watching it back for you, have you gained more clarity into the women in the house of your relationship with Clayton? Yeah, looking back, it's funny because, I mean, everyone really got along very well fit the most far, besides the very obvious too. So, like, looking back, I mean, everything shown is pretty much what it was like in the house like we were all very close um

i haven't really seen a different side of the women that i hadn't seen in the house other than miss jenay obviously because we did not know the interviews all those interviews were going on but um yeah it was nice to see their relationships for me and also to even see my relationship for me with him like how much more comfortable we got as time and on and um it's nice to watch back Yeah, I always found watching it back, there was like so many different emotions, but like the ITMs of the other women, specifically, more the controversial women of the season, were always the biggest shocker. But we really want to talk to you about that two on one. But first, let's take it back a little bit. So in the midst of the Shrimp Gate fiasco, you had such a genuine moment.

And honestly, this was one of my roses of the week. I don't know if you heard, but we do like Rose and Thorns. And I loved this moment where you just absolutely lost it on Cheney at the cocktail party. And I just could, you were saying everything as a viewer that I wanted someone to say. And I didn't find you were mean about it in any way, but you were like, I'm putting my foot down on this. Can you just tell us more about that moment and why you just couldn't keep it in anymore? Oh, yeah. Chenet and I were like totally, like the first few days, you were fine.

your bunk mates. I was on the top of her shoes right below me. So we were fine. And so when I heard about her talking about Elizabeth's mental health, that kind of, that's what triggered me, I think, because I've been bullied as a kid. I don't like, I don't like watching anyone be bullied. And especially someone so sweet, like Elizabeth, and just Sheney's explanation for why she's a bully, it didn't make sense.

So, I mean, I just, like, I had had enough that Sheney not apologizing. She would say she knew it was wrong, but she wouldn't apologize. Elizabeth was being the bigger person in Sheney. It's just, she was really upsetting everyone, and I think everyone is worried to say something. And when she just kept saying, shrimp, shrimp, shrimp, that's when I stood up and I was like, holy shit, it's not about the shrimp. And I just, I can't believe that it, like, escalated the way it did from that one day of making shrimp, and it turned into, all that and then watching back the interviews with cheney saying like oh i got him all this stuff it's like it's it's crazy i mean it's crazy for all of us to watch i can't imagine

in watching it and having to just like that's got to be a bad feeling knowing that you really trusted someone and then basically the whole time you're like going behind her back in the interview saying that they're playing you i want to ask you so taking it back to that confrontation and and her, you know, the word shrimp kept being brought up. Like, to anyone watching, like, the shrimp vocabulary, that, like, that issue just seemed so petty. And I think there was so much more. And it seemed like you and some of the other girls had questioned her, like, okay,

there's got to be something more to this. You're not just mad about a shellfish, right? Right. And so at any point ever, and maybe it just wasn't shown, it didn't air, did she ever give you tangible reasons of why she was actually upset? absolutely not her first reason for being upset the first issue with elizabeth was that her and elizabeth were close in the beginning and then elizabeth was around cheney and she complimented another woman and didn't compliment cheney brought that to elizabeth she said you were compliment the complimenting the other

woman and you didn't compliment me and so that's what that was the first weird like that's what the job was about and then when we heard it was about the shrimp i mean it just couldn't get any worse and like When I was speaking up to Cheney, like you said, Sirina, I wasn't trying to be malicious. I wasn't trying to be mean. I wasn't calling her a bitch. I was just stating the facts. Like, you said this about Elizabeth and you're refusing to apologize. And then, like, I was like, please tell me why she's lying.

I was trying to just get her to talk. And she just kept saying, I'm not talking about it. And that was making me more mad because I'm like, we're all losing time at this cocktail party. And you can't even like own up to. or apologize or even talk about it with us. So we tried so many times to talk to that girl and she just, she didn't want it. She just wanted to be fake to us and then go to Clayton and kind of do her own thing, her little act.

Seems like her M.O. Yeah. Yeah. I just cry, fake tears and kiss them. And I think that moment was so good because it really highlighted that there was nothing behind her claims. You know what I mean? Like for the viewers, I feel like it was like you put her on the spot.

and you were like, no, this is the time for you to actually explain and give us a valid reason of why you could possibly behave in this way and she just couldn't do it. But, I mean, we saw the apology. You guys moved to Toronto. And did you have any feeling that the two-on-one-one may be coming? Because I know on my season, we did not see it coming. It was not in my head.

But, I mean, the second thing read that day card and mentioned his name, I mean, I was like, no way. I knew it right away. And then Cheney was just asking, like, what it was. And I was trying to explain, one of us gets home, one of us stays. She wasn't really understanding. But, yeah, that was like, it was hard finding that out. And it was just, like, such a stressful week.

Yeah, I mean, those two-on-ones are never fun. I can speak from experience. They're very uncomfortable. But I don't think anyone, as soon, it was going to be you on that. And quite frankly, I couldn't have pictured anyone else alongside Chenet because at that point, she really was the only one bringing the drama. And I think it was just because you had that confrontation with her several weeks prior to that. Last week, we had Gabby on and she kind of explained just how tense it was being in the room with you and Chenet prior

to the two-on-one. And we obviously saw just through Chenet's interviews that she had something rehearsed. She was like planning out what she wanted to say to Clayton on that two-on-one. But like, what kind of mindset were you in? Did you prep at all? Or like, where were you at before going on to that two-on-one? When I originally found out, I mean, I was like, oh, my goodness, so many emotions. But the more I thought about it, I think if anyone were to go on the two-on-one of Sheney, I would want it to be myself. I think that I was able to, I know I'm able to stick up for myself and um i don't i don't know the other woman i mean they're amazing but i don't know if they were in that situation if she were to pull something like she did with me what like how they

would have reacted um so yeah i was pretty i was pretty level-headed like i was just like i'm going to treat this as a one-on-one i know she's here and i was just telling myself that i did nothing wrong. I've been myself this entire time. I've been my true self. She has not. She has thrown a trophy. She has just been so ridiculous to a lot of the women. So I kind of, I was in good spirits. I was nervous because, I mean, I knew it was going to be uncomfortable. But I had high hopes because I felt a strong connection with Clayton. And I feel like it was time for Cheney to go and for him to just kind of see her true self. And yeah, that's what I was hoping for.

And I'm so lucky that it ended that way. So on a scale of 1 to 10, going into the 2-on-1, how confident were you that you were going to be the one to come out with a rose? On to 10, I was an 8. I was pretty confident I would leave with the rose. That's good. And, yeah, I mean, like, all the other women, I mean, they were like, they were saying,

they were starting to get obsessed saying, like, if she comes home, Susie, I know said in one of the last episode, like, I'm going to start taking my relationship with him less seriously if he leaves Jen and even in Niagara Falls. So I was kind of just think, I was like, this, I mean, this can't be this way. And I was also telling myself, whatever's meant to happen will happen. I told myself that from the beginning. So I just wanted to go in there with a positive attitude, have fun, be myself. And I had a feeling something was coming.

I didn't rehearse anything at all. I couldn't believe that she was saying she rehearsed and she said it in the mirror. I mean, I didn't rehearse a single thing. I was just preparing myself for whatever Chenet may make up and what I wanted to like talk to Clayton about. But unfortunately, the conversation was kind of just geared towards Chenet and also me not being able to open up. And that's another story.

Well, and because he pulled you first to talk on that two on one. So it seemed like that went well. Like we could all tell it was very emotional for you to get in that vulnerable space and like open up more, especially being in such a weird setting. But the entire time, it's like, I know you say you were at an eight. She would swear she thought she was like at a 12. She like thought she added in the bag. She was set. Like, how did you feel after leaving your one-on-one time with him that day and then knowing he still had yet to talk to Chenet? Because at that point, obviously, she could have said anything. Were you worried about that? Or were you like, I'm just going to focus on our good connection?

So I was definitely worried. I was worried about what Shadega possibly say. So I did say to Clayton. I was like, I know I'm talking to you first. I don't know what she's going to try and hold, what she's going to say. So if she brings anything to you, all I'm asking is that you bring it to me

before you make a decision. Like, please ask me. And so let me explain myself if I am able to. But it was really just more, like, I was emotional because like it's hard for me to open up. I was explaining to him. There's so many women. I'm so afraid of getting my heart broken.

And I mean, with all these incredible women seeing the relationships that grow, I was just worried about being hurt. But I, yeah, I felt really good about our conversation, like how it ended with, like, he asked me if I'm able to let my walls down and open up. And I said, I'm just like, I take longer than most people. And he responded very well to that. And then I did say the thing about Chenet, like, please let me know. And I left it kind of feeling good because, I mean, we had a good conversation. we had a nice kiss. It went well.

And then I just, I knew something was going to happen with Shene. So I was expecting when he came back, I was like, what is this going to be? And sure enough, it was the actor's person. I mean, you weren't expecting that. Yeah. The look of shock on your face was so pure. But the way he delivered it, I was like, I was shocked. I was like, what's going on?

Let's like give a little context to the question. Yeah, he's like, Jen, I had a question. And I was like, okay, and I was like, I told him to do this. I told him to ask me if she brings anything up. But like, are you an actress and are you lying to me? And like, I was like, I froze. I like stuttered for like 10 seconds. And then I think I said, whoa.

And then he walked away. I didn't even know what to say. I was like, and then I asked them to explain, like, please explain what you're talking about. And then Sheney brought up like, oh, I heard you say, you want to pack your bags and go home. And I was like, yes, I said that. It's been a very stressful week from me. me and I just talked to Clayton about that, actually. It's been the most stressful week for me.

And last night, just knowing I had to go on a stay. I wasn't able to talk to my family. I'm just homesick. Like, all that. Had nothing to do with Clayton. And she's like, okay, but are you here for Clayton? And it's just like, the fact should call me. You're like, why else would I be here?

I'm on a two on one. I don't know. Okay, honestly, if I would have been you in that position, I would have started laughing. Like, there's no way I would have been able to hold it in because it was just so far from the truth. especially now piecing together everything Chenet was saying that. I don't know how you kept it kept it together.

I would have burst out laughing. I'm like, am I, I think Serena said this earlier. Am I being punked? Like, is this a joke? Like, is this a serious question? No, seriously. Like, I was, I was shocked. And Clayton actually told me after he said, I knew right away the look on your face that you were mine.

He's like, I could just, I mean, I was, I was like, whoa. I didn't even know what to say. Because I had nothing. I didn't. I couldn't think of anything that I lied about, that I acted. So, yeah, that was what, I was like, what else did you hear from the conversation? Just like, that's it. I just heard you want to pack the basket about it.

So, yeah, he was very good about it. He responded really well. He was very kind and, like, sincere. So it went, it went well, but I was mind blown at that. Well, I want to ask you this because the way he delivered it and just, I would say even the way he handled the entire two on one. Like he, again, I think, and this is something that I've said that is an issue for me personally with cleanness. He doesn't ask direct assertive questions. Like he's still, he's still always lingering in this like confused stage. I feel like it leaves a lot of us viewers in that

phase too. But like, if I were you, I would have been kind of offended for this guy that I thought I had a good connection with, that I thought I was building something with flat out ask me in that way. I would have been like, what the heck? Like, I understand like he wanted to question you. I get that. But I think the delivery of it would have just maybe been a turnoff for me. I also wish that

he had pulled you aside and not done it in front of Chenet. Yes. Me too. Yeah, I think that could have gone differently. I am glad he addressed it with me, but I do wish he would have asked, said, Genevieve, can I please speak with you privately?

And yeah, and it's upsetting because I was so, if you ask any girl in the house besides Shanae Cassidy, I was so real the whole time. I was myself, like my friends and family watching back, they're like, that's generally, that's going to be. So I was like, I was just totally myself the whole time. And it was a little upsetting for him to question kind of if I was faking the entire thing when I thought like we did have a strong relationship. But I'm glad that two and one ended the way that it did. And I think it was so fun getting to see you guys celebrate. with the champagne and I know Clayton even mentioned he heard you guys singing in the elevator

of the whole season that was my favorite moment coming back walking into that room with the rose and seeing the girl's faces like tears of happiness and like screams and just like hugs it was amazing I was um I I absolutely loved it then they they brought down champagne they did a little toast I was like it just made it all worth it and I was so black they were so painful that she was gone it the mood changed so much it was crazy we like that that cocktail party i don't think there was any drama like it just really flipped a switch once chenay left and you could just feel it it was like a weight lifted off of all of our shoulders i've never seen a celebration like that for one person to leave like usually

there are seasons where somebody people are excited but that was like on a whole other level i know and and then i think they they pop champagne when um and they came and took jane's suitcase they pop champagne before I was even back they had a little celebration so and they all it was so cool they all went around and kind of did a toast and just told me like I've been a rock for them I've stuck up for them and thank you it was just like I was crying I loved it so much it was me that is very sweet that's a nice moment well we left all of the drama well not all the drama we left the shenay drama in Toronto and Clayton tells you guys you are going to Croatia how excited were you because I was so jealous of you guys.

I was so excited. I mean, like, especially the first season, like, traveling again. I wasn't expecting like that. I mean, we had been to Houston, Toronto. I was not expecting Croatia. I was so excited. And it's one of the most beautiful places I've ever seen. I don't know.

Have you either of you been? Oh, I have. But, yeah. Yeah. I'm Croatian. I have family there. So when I saw you were going, I was so jealous. Oh, that's amazing. It's beautiful.

and like just the people were so kind and just the culture. I loved it all. It was the view from our hotel was like incredible. Yeah, it was amazing. I wish I got to explore a little more, but it was great. Yeah. Well, you went on what I would say. It was a very fun group date.

I would have loved that date minus eating all of the interesting food. Did you actually eat the fish eyeballs? yeah it was the worst it was the worst um i actually asked mattoe i think his name us so they they brought all the fish heads and you had to squeeze the head to get the eyeball out and take that and i'm like so i was like matthio can you please squeeze the head for me can you please get the eyeball out and so he's like yeah it's easy squeeze it and so i was like and then it was part slimy like part hard like a shell it's like there's like a marble in the middle of the eyeballs. Yes. Yes. Mm-hmm. I hate that you know that, Becca. I hate that both of you know

that. You shouldn't know that. Well, I used to go fishing with my dad all the time and I would play with this is bad, but when I was born, I would like play with the dead fish and, yeah, but well, so when they, when they like lifted up the lids for all the food at first, I thought that they were saying what it was, but I was like, oh, this is a joke. Like, this is actually going to be something good and delicious but then I saw the faces of all of you women when you were eating and squeezing everything and I was like oh they really are eating this we had to do a raw egg on my season I thought that was bad that was nothing compared to what you guys did did Clayton eat any of it because I feel like if he's giving you crap okay good I was going to say if he's giving you crap from plugging your

nose and he participated in everything so like that's a good thing I was I would have made him eat something if she wasn't going to do that. No, you're making us do this. You are too. Good. That is a good thing. Genevieve, I want to talk about a couple of the roses that were handed out while you guys were in Croatia because the first 101 went to Teddy and I feel like that kind of made sense. You know, she got that first impression row. She hadn't had a one-on-one date yet. It really did feel like her time. But I want to ask you, there were two roses handed out after that, Rachel being her second group date rose and then Sarah being her second one-on-one-on-one.

on one date what were your thoughts on that were you surprised did you see it coming so i was on the group date with rachel when she got that second um rose and she had told me we were kind of talking about who do we think's going to get the rose and she told me she said she got it last week so she didn't she was like i have i just don't think i'm getting it um so i honestly i thought the rose was going to go to serene um she won the the night uh i don't know what that's she won that little competition and yeah she was she looked really good she seemed like she was having a good conversation with him i thought i was going to go to her i was a little surprised i mean i love rachel i think she's so sweet i think they have an amazing connection so i wasn't i wasn't surprised about that

but then come sarah i was surprised about that for sure um i had had a two-on-one and some of the girls still there hadn't had a one-on-one and so then we hear sarah's name for a second time and everyone was mindable. And we didn't really know what to think. We were like, this could be good or it could be bad because he either really, really likes her once more time or he has something to really address with her. I felt for you guys having been there and not gotten one-on-ones yet, I also felt for Sarah just a little bit because I was, I was in her shoes on my season. I got the second, I was the one who got a second one-on-one. And it was incredibly uncomfortable. And there's almost like that sense of guilt of I'm so happy because I really want this, but I understand

that I am really taking away from friends of mind that were hoping and probably expecting to get that date this week. So yeah, it's definitely a tough one. I remember like Sarah said, she said kind of the same thing. She was like, of course, I'm excited, but I mean, I feel for everyone that hasn't had a one-on-one. It, Mara, Eliza, and I haven't had it one-on-one. I wasn't expecting one, honestly, because it's the two-on-one. But, yeah. I want to ask this because, so the way that the episode ended was A to be continued, we see Mara at home talking about Sarah saying she doesn't think she's ready for what's to come. She doesn't think she's ready for the engagement, for a marriage. She's just

too young. But then we see Clayton on his one-on-one with Sarah bringing this up to her. They have a conversation. And then Sarah's basically lit on fire. is pissed coming home. We don't see the confrontation quite yet between the two, but was it building up before then? Like, did Sarah and Mara have a conversation at all prior to that about age, not being ready for an engagement, anything? So I think it started at the roast, to be honest. I wasn't at the roast because it was the two-on-one date. But I think that's where it started. They kind of both went out of each other for their ages. And then something. there was just some mention.

And I mean, I do believe Mara really, I don't think she would go to Clayton as something and she didn't really believe it if she didn't really see that in Sarah. I could tell, I was very close with Mara in the house and she made just like some comments, like she doesn't know if certain people are ready. She wouldn't really say Sarah's name,

but she was like, I just don't know if some woman here are ready for marriage and all that. On Sarah's end, I don't think she was more quiet, so I don't think she really said, they didn't really like have confrontation before that like they didn't like argue or anything it was just kind of like things being said to friends and clayton and all that stuff so yeah it wasn't like a they didn't they didn't talk about it and then go do something about it was kind of just like happened and they went to Clayton with it well the seed has been planted now I feel like

something's brewing into next week for sure When the episode ends on To Be Continued, you know we're starting on a strong note next week. That's how they all are. They're all to be continued. I know, but this one actually had it in writing. This one actually had it in writing. It was like an official to be continued. It did. Oh, my gosh.

Over the falls. It has been a wild episode, and we know that there's still so much more to come. So without giving too much away, if you could describe Clayton's season in three words or one short phrase, what would you say? wild ride okay I feel like that's consistent everyone just like leaves us with like there's still a lot like it's still going to be wild

wild ride yeah well we can't wait to see what's to come but before we get into the game is there anything else you want to say that you want to let bachelor nation know about you I think I would like

that I've gotten like a lot of messages about people feeling like they have more confidence and they feel like they can stick up for themselves watching me kind of stick up for myself and the people around me. So I would just like to say like if you are someone struggling or being bullied, it'll get better. It's hard and it seems like at the moment,

like your world is just like crumbling around you. But it gets better. And once you learn that you are worthy and you learn to stick up for yourself, like you'll see the change. That's not even about me. That's just a message that I would like to say that I've like kind of responded to a lot of,

like a lot of moms have reached out to me like with their daughter or their son like my daughter has gained so much confidence just watching you and um like has stood up for herself now and it's like it's the most amazing feeling it's the best thing that's beautiful so yeah nothing about me but i just wanted to like share that well and i want to commend you and i should have said this at the top of the episode but the way that you handled yourself with cheney at that two-on-one where you were like i'm not even going to engage or fuel that fire. I mean, I was watching it. I was like, this is how it should be. Like, if you know that there's drama going on, don't feed it, just stay. I hate to say this,

but stay in your lane and focus on you. And you handled yourself so well, so respectfully. And so it was really great to see. So thank you for, I would say, taking the high road in that weird, weird scenario. I was, I wasted too much like yelling on her. I was just like at that point, I had, I had said everything to play in and it was his choice to make. and there's nothing else I could do. And I wasn't wasting any more time. Okay, so let's get into this game. We play it with all of our guests.

And so it's kind of fun to piece together what you'll say and what some of the past contestants on here have said too. So it's basically bachelor superlative. We're going to throw a most likely two phrase at you and then you just finish it. Yes, one girl for each question from your season. It can be someone that's still here or someone that's gone home. And we love this because we can kind of see what you say. versus what some of our other guests have said.

Okay, quick question. Are we doing Rosenthorn? Yes, at the end. We are. Got it. Okay. Just curious. Look at you. You kind of prepared. I like this. All right. Serena, take it away, girl.

All righty. We're going to start off with who is most likely to get the party started? Marlina. Who's most likely to get the ladies laughing? Gabby. Oh, dang. Who is the best cook? Kate. Kate cooked a lot for us and loved doing it and looked so cute doing it.

So yeah, Kate. I feel like we've gotten Kate for that one a lot. All three of the ones you've said so far, like right in line. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. First person to wake up in the morning. Melina.

Working out. Running around. Good for her. Like, good for that girl. Every morning. Most likely to be named Miss Congeniality. Tuesday. best smile in the house

that's hard um i would say serene serene's smile is beautiful who is your best dressed best dressed ooh maybe eliza she just always looked

like she could just like yeah she looked like she could always just go to some event she was always done a perfect and looking amazing and all of her like gowns and dresses I actually loved so Eliza all right who is the biggest gossip Sierra love you but Sierra it's okay you're one of many who said that most likely to steal Clayton first at a cocktail party can I go back to Cassidy yeah yes you can because she is the one that's always named every time Yeah. Who is the first to go to bed?

Hmm. I want to say Malina, because then she just get up early and work out. And also I think Serene loved her sleep. So I think she was in bed pretty early too. Who was the messiest? Honestly, I'm not just saying this, but Cheney. She was in the room of 10 in her. She had three suitcases.

just opened up in the middle of the floor and you can get by anything and then in the bathroom from me, it was just everywhere. So someone else said that too, I think. Really? Okay. I'm sorry, I'm not just saying that. No, I believe you. Who is most likely to be found lounged by the pool?

Melina. That goal is like what I hope to be. She makes up an age. She works out. She lounges by the pool while working out somehow. Living her very best life. Yeah, seriously. It goes betterly.

I would say, Mina. All right. And our last question is, who is most likely to be a bridesmaid in your wedding? Can I name a few? Yeah, you can name a few. Okay. Yeah. Mara, Sam, and Etsy.

Wait, who is Sam? Sam, you didn't see much of her. Oh, the redhead. Oh, who came out in the bathtub. Okay, yes. I gotcha. Okay. So smart.

She invented, like, medical device and sent in, like, sold him to Johnson. and Johnson. I just found the style. I was like, but yeah, I love her. Okay. All righty. Well, now is the time we will get into the rose and thorn. So I'll start. Serena will follow and then we'll leave it the best for last with you. So I would say my, I'm going to start with the thorn. I'm going to say the thorn of the week is the fact that Marlena left. I am so bummed. I feel like I did not get enough of her. I want her back. So that is going to be my thorn. And then my rose i'm going to say is that you all traveled to my homeland of croatia that's yeah i know that's very special it was it looked so beautiful i was so jealous i was like damn it i know i want to go out there

i'm happy for you all yeah all right and then my thorn is going to have to be clayton asking you jenevieve are you an actress and are you lying i just think one i didn't really feel like that question needed to be asked but if he did make the decision to ask it which is totally fine. And in his right, I feel like he could have gone about it in a much better way. And my rose is the moment with Susie and Clayton in the clock tower just because it made me really nostalgic to some of my romantic moments. Oh, I love that. Um, so actually you, Mike Oren was going to be the same exact thing. Um, when Clayton, like the look on his face, when he asked me if I'm an actress and if I'm lying

and just feeling hurt knowing that I was just I was so open and myself and I was kind of being questioned and my rose is definitely coming back after the 2-1-1 and all the girls just greeting me with the best hugs and I felt so special and it was amazing so yeah that was good that was the highlight of like the season I think

yeah you deserve that moment like I think at that point everything was validated for you so I'm so glad that you were able to experience that with all the support and hopefully lots of champagne. Yes. Thank you. Genevieve, it has been so fun having you on. I'm glad that we were able to have you here to just dive into everything that you were feeling throughout those past couple weeks because I can imagine it was a lot. So thank you for sharing everything with us. It was a pleasure to have you. It was so nice meeting you guys. Thank you so much. Serena, that was so nice having her on. It's just good to hear more of her side of things, more of her perspective, because I feel like so much

of every week was taken up by Cheney. So I'm so glad that she could join us today. Yeah, she definitely has firsthand experience with Cheney on multiple occasions. And I'm really glad that Clayton made the decision to give her the rose this week. And it was great having her on the podcast just to learn more about the behind the scenes. Well, it sounds like we still have a long ways to go, just from what she said describing the season, it's going to be still a wild ride. So I can't wait to see how next week unfolds, to see the drama between Mara and Sarah. But Serena, as always, it's so much fun having you. Thank you for doing this again with me and a huge thank you to Genevieve for being here. But the biggest thank you always goes out to

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