Bachelor Happy Hour - Gerri: Strong, Sassy, and Sexy | Golden Hour

Episode Date: September 30, 2025

Today on “Golden Hour,” we’re sitting down with our very first guest of “The Golden Bachelor” Season 2: Gerri! The First Impression Rose recipient is here to tell us all about her journey so far. With an incredible story of overcoming loss and adapting to single parenting, there are so many layers to Gerri that we are excited to delve into. She tells us all about how she prepared and how her children were incredibly supportive — it’s Gerri’s turn! We hear about her feelings for Mel, including how she reacted to his comments and what his apology meant to her. We also hear about the moment she received the First Impression Rose and how that felt. Plus, we invite her to ask Kathy and Susan anything she wants to know! Tune in now to hear all this and more and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The murder of an 18-year-old girl in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved for years, until a local housewife, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story. America, y'all better work the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns. Listen to Graves County on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad-free, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. Hi there, this is Josh Clark from the Stuff You Should Know podcast.

If you've been thinking, man alive, I could go for some good true crime podcast episodes, then have we got good news for you? Stuff You Should Know just released a playlist of 12 of our best true crime episode. episodes of all time. There's a shootout in broad daylight, people using axes in really terrible ways, disappearances, legendary heists, the whole nine yards. So check out the stuff you should know true crime playlist on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? Answer, a new podcast called Wisecrack, where a comedian finds himself at the center of a chilling true crime story.

Does anyone know what show they've come to see? It's a story. It's about the scariest night of my life. This is Wisecrack, available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you want to hear the secrets of psychopaths, murderers, sex offenders? In this episode, I offer tips from them. I'm Dr. Leslie, forensic psychologist.

This is a podcast where I cut through the noise with real talk. When you were described to me as a forensic psychologist, I was like snooze. We ended up talking for hours, and I was like, this girl is my best friend. Let's talk about safety and strategies to protect yourself and your loved ones. Listen to intentionally disturbing on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Culture eats strategy for breakfast, right? On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us, I was joined by Valicia Butterfield, media founder, political strategist, and tech powerhouse for a powerful conversation on storytelling, impact,

and the intersections of culture and leadership. I am a free black woman. From the Obama White House to Google to the Grammys, Valicia's journey is a masterclass in shifting culture and using your voice to spark change. Listen to Culture raises us on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back, everybody to Bachelor Happy Hour's Golden Hour. Kathy and I are so excited to be joining you again today.

So excited to be back. Today, though, we have such a special guest. Please welcome from this season of the Golden Bachelor. Jerry is here. Hi, Jerry. How are you? Jerry. I'm excited. I am great. I'm doing so good. So good. We are so excited to have you here. You're our very first guest from the very first second Golden Bachelor. A lot of first there.

Awesome. Jerry, there's so much we want to dive into today. We've got to get started. We have a zillion questions, but we want to know about you. Okay. What about me? What about cherry flowers? Cherry flowers. Cherry flowers. an amazing mom. Jerry Flowers is a CEO owner of a home care agency. Jerry Flowers, who is looking for love. Jerry Flowers, who is given 150 percent to people. You name it. If they say, if they said my name, she's a giver, she's a listener, she's amazing. I mean, they would say that. You are amazing. So, Jerry, tell us what, we're going to get into all of that. You know, we wanted how you got on the show. We want to know. But what was dating like before?

Before you went on the show, what was dating like for you? Kind of like my dating life, a big... We all have similarities, don't we? Well, I will tell you, when I first got interviewed for the show, said to me, first of all, this is not your real aid. Second of all, what's the matter with the men in Rockville? And I said, I don't know. Did you say how much time do you have?

because I'll explain it to you. Yeah, right, right, right. Had you ever watched the show before? I, I, I, my mother loved the show. My mother loved the show. And the person who signed me up for her gay Melnick loves both of you, loves sending hugs and loves, loves you. But, you know, dating was not on my radar.

It was, and I'll be transparent about that. I mean, dating is a type of thing where you have to go out and invest and do it and work on it. My investment was my children who, you know, you know, my story, and my husband died at 47 and left me with a 14-year-old, eight-year-old, and four-year-old. And I'm like, what am I supposed to do with these children who I adore? Yeah. So wait, I have to, I have to jump ahead.

I mean, we're going to talk about, you know, the first impression was all that, but a widow at 47 and raising kids. And when you sat and talked with Mel, like that really resonated with him, that you said it, You said it had been 18 years, and now it was your time. Talk to us a little bit about that.

Yeah, I mean, 47 years old, you know, he's here today, gone tomorrow, had no, like, what am I doing with my life? We're supposed to retire. We're supposed to talk what our children are supposed to do for college. What am I supposed to do with these children? Yeah. And I'm saying, I never said, why me? Never said that.

Because my philosophy was, why not me? Why not me? Because I had recently, not recently, like maybe 8, 10 years, 14 years prior to that, I had lost my son at 14 years old. So I had lost a son as well. So I was like, okay, I've got to get up and do this. And I did. But dating was not on my radar because these little people needed me. They were too busy.

I was too busy. Yes. So I was, I mean, you are raising kids is a. It's a serious endeavor. I mean, any of us who do it, we know, right? We all share that in comment. What did your kids say when you decided to come on the show? They were so elated.

They were so happy. They were like, mom, you have given us so much. It is your time. You know, it was really symbolic. My son, David, said to me one down there, forget. He said, Mom, you never laugh. Why don't you laugh? I was like, wow.

And then when I got ready to go on the show, he said, Mom, I was laughing. How old are your kids? Jerry, how old are your children now? I have a 32-year-old who just blessed me, who's getting married, fiancé. She has a fiancé, Mike. Oh, yeah, who blessed me with this amazing little boy, three months old now. Michael David, Alexander, he was born Juneteenth. okay then i have my doctor flowers amber flowers who is getting married to her dr miles sims

on saturday doctors in the house oh boy you're a busy lady oh you can't even imagine i won't even tell you why i parked my car for this i don't even know where my car is when i go out i don't know where it's at i love that moment when you shared it's your time it's both of your times when you said that to Mel. Because it was. And then I have my son, David. Yeah. David, who, ladies, there's nothing worse for your son at four years old to run downstairs.

And I say, I have a surprise for you. And he said, Mommy, Daddy's coming home. Oh, God. I said, no, sweetheart. Daddy's not coming home. But I have something else for you. But no. And my children, so we have the 31-year-old, the 27-year-old, and then we have David 22.

Wow. That's a lot. But you know what? You have the energy. I mean, that to me, obviously, we were on that show and we had those poignant moments with our Gary. But I found it so interesting that you were able to open up so easily about your time and that you had raised your kids. And Mel was so open. open in this first episode about him raising his children. And I love that. It just you, and you said, I really feel like I have a strong connection with him. Talk about that. I did because it was so, I don't talk about it much, Kathy. I really don't. I don't go around saying my, I worked for a job for a year and a half. They didn't even know my husband had passed. I don't go around talking about it. So for some reason with him, that twinkle in his eye, that's, sincerity, I just opened up. I just opened up. Did you feel better? Did you feel good? Oh, I felt so

much better, Susan. I, you know, I don't want to say it's a burden. It's not a burden because it's been a blessing and a gift, but it's so nice to talk about it and talk about it to the point that I've done what I needed to do. I've given them the foundation. Yeah. And now I can be, I don't want to use the word selfish, but now I can be selfish and do something for Jerry. It's about you now. It's really about me. It's really about me. And I say that sincerely.

It's really about me. I'm very curious how you balance. You are CEO of a home health care and you have kids and you're planning weddings. How are you, before we even get into night one, which we're about to get into, I want to know how I'm a mother of three and I have two grandchildren. So how do you balance all of that? You know, I just, first of all, I pray, ladies. I'm going to just be very transparent about that. I pray first and God, give me the strain because I get tired.

I get tired, but I just keep going. I just keep going. And I just say, why not me? First of all, I have life. I mean, one thing about this show, everybody's going to finally know my age. My children never knew my age. My children didn't know my age. And I have a big birthday.

I'm going to be 65. And you know what? Congratulations. I'm freaking proud of it. I am so proud. You are. Do you need Medicare? Do you need Medicare advice?

I can help you out, Jerry. You know what? I have been putting that off for a month. A-R-P trash. Trash. I can't do this. But you know what? I just welcome it.

Just welcome it. It's all good. It's all about how you feel. It's coming for you whether you're ready or not. All I know is what I've been told, and that's a half-truth is a whole lie. For almost a decade, the murder of an 18-year-old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved, until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story. I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her. We know.

A story that law enforcement used to convict six people. and that got the citizen investigator on national TV. Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran. My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, producer, and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find. I did not know her and I did not kill her,

or rape or burn, or any of that other stuff that y'all said. They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I pour gas on her. From Lava for Good, this is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame. America, y'all better work the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns. Listen to Graves County in the Bone Valley feed on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

And to binge the entire season ad-free, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. Hi there, this is Josh Clark from the Stuff You Should Know podcast. If you've been thinking, man alive, I could go for some good true crime podcast episodes, then have we got good news for you.

Stuff You Should Know just released a playlist of 12 of our best true crime episodes of all time. There's a shootout in broad daylight, people using axes in really terrible ways, disappearances, legendary heists, the whole nine yards. So check out the stuff you should know true crime playlist on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My name is Ed. Everyone say hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself.

My dad is a farmer, and my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear.

On 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club. A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now.

Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia. We had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you name it. But what they find is not what they expected. Basically, your stay-at-home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin. They go, is this your daughter? I said yes.

They go, oh, you may not see her for like 25 years. Caught between a federal investigation and the violent gang who recruited them, the women must decide who they're willing to protect and who they dare to betray. Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand and I saw the flash of light. Listen to the Chinatown Stang on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or anywhere you get your podcasts. Do you want to hear the secrets of serial killers, psychopaths, pedophiles, robbers? They are sitting there waiting for the vulnerable thing. They're waiting for unprotected. I'm Dr. Leslie, forensic psychologist. I advocate for safety and awareness of predators while wearing pink. When you were described to me as a forensic psychologist, I was like snooze. We ended up talking for hours and I was like, this girl is my best friend. This is a podcast where I

cut through the noise with sarcasm, satire, and hard truths. I'm not going to fake it and force it. But would you force an orgasm? Because that's like a different layer. The car accident you didn't want to see but couldn't turn away from. In this episode, I discuss personal safety and self-defense, tools, instincts, and strategies to protect yourself and your loved ones in everyday life and high-risk situations. Listen to Intentionally Disturbing on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What did you do, if anything special to prepare for this journey? like what were your thoughts going into it getting on the airplane and thinking wow what am i about to do

you know i only told very few people like i have a few friends in mind they're still mad at me i didn't tell them but um but i only told very few my small circle and my prayer partner and my children and of course i had to tell my hairdress because you had to do my hair so that was a must that's a must that's a must but i told very little and i just prayed on it and i just said the biggest thing for me me, if my grandson would have been born July 9th, I wasn't coming, but he was born Juneteenth. And I said, I'm going. I'm ready. That was your son. Okay. So let, you know, we've all been there. We've all been in that limo. Talk to us about night one, you know, how, I know how I felt. I was, I thought I was going to trip walking across that driver. How did

you feel getting out of the limo? I was like, what am I doing? Don't forget I had the cap on. So I'm like, please don't let the cap go to the side. I'll be on TV. My stethoscope's going to choke me as I'm getting up. We heard you. I love the stethoscope. The world heard you say you were going to take care of all of his needs. We all heard it.

Yes. We all heard it. I did. And I met him. And I like that you want, you like to be his dessert after a long day's work. Absolutely. And he was hungry. I hope he was.

I hope he was. But when you actually laid eyes on him. Like, what did you feel? Oh, my, he was so, he's handsome. To the point that I'm telling you, ladies, I felt butterflies. Who feels butterflies at 64 years old? Oh, gosh, you're alive. We all want to.

That's what we're looking for. And ladies, I want to tell you, and I won't tell you else what was tingling else also, too. I won't say it. I won't tell you because I'm like, wait a minute. Wait a minute. I'm alive. I'm alive. So were you nervous getting out? Obviously, you know, your body parts were talking to you, but were you nervous talking to you?

My only thing was that hat. That was the only thing that was making me nervous. I didn't want to fall. Yeah, I didn't want that hat to fall. Yeah. How about when you saw all the other women, like, the women are gorgeous. The women were beautiful. The women were just, but it's one.

of those things, and this is true, we are all fearfully and beautifully made. So don't compare yourself. There's a reason why you are here and you're unique. And if you can hold on to that, because it's a lot. The women are beautiful. They all are. They look great. You know, when I came back, I got a personal trainer, you know, because, but you are who you are. And that's what I want the ladies to understand out there. And you are who you are. Yeah. Well, And I think that is a great message. Our message has always been, you know, this is our chapter. This is your next chapter of your life.

And, you know, we all want to make it the best chapter. And I think all of the women, I think we share that coming into this environment that so few women get to experience that we are special. And we should feel special about ourselves. And you clearly get it now. Oh, yeah. And my daughter, my doctor flower, says to me all the time, Mom, this is your chapter now. This is your turn. You're living, what people did in their 20s because you were raising a sick child, you're

doing it in your 60s. And how fun is that? And how much wisdom now that you have. Right. Well, that's what makes it so much better. Oh, my gosh. Because you've had your life, your experiences. And now, again, it's time for you.

And to be able to do something like this. Do you think, do you think, do you think? it's harder or easier at this age to date with all the things you have in your life? I think it might be easier just because you're a little more pickier. You know what I'm saying? You're not falling for the lines. Yeah, really, right? Okay, come on now.

You know what I'm saying? Like, really? You know, you can see through the, I don't want to say it, the BS. Yeah. Okay. So you clearly are, I love you because you're direct like I am and I love that. You say what you mean. You mean what you say. How shocked were you when you, I wasn't? How shocked were you when you got the first impression, Rose? Are you kidding me? I was floored. First, I was out of my mind. I was like, I couldn't even say, I'm sure that that's what came across. I'm like, what? Did he just call my name? Really? He did. He did. I did. I really. I really. I really. Really, my, my, both my girls were, when they got engaged, it was a surprise. I know how they felt with that surprise. What it felt like this.

Because it was a surprise. I had no idea. Listen, Jerry, you clearly are someone who is who they say they are. And I think, I think everyone sees that about you in this first episode. Really? I think so. I mean, I was not at all surprised that. And the ladies said that.

All the ladies, even though they clearly knew what it meant, when I saw the rose, you know me, you know, I was happy drinking my Prosecco. I was happy to have a happy time. I look good. I feel good. I'm not taking care of anybody. Jerry, I had I beat a track to the bar. I had like a little golden pathway to the bar. I know exactly. Why does a bartender know my name? But it was just a lot. But I was happy. I was happy. So. When the rose came, I was like, down. When it was on the table, on the plate, I said, oh, that's a pretty rose. Let me go get some more of Lamarca. And that's how I just didn't. I had no idea. I had no idea.

I really did. It was a nice surprise. It's a nice surprise, but I feel like you're the girl who, you're the woman, who just is who you are. You come out as yourself. And I think Mel, really. appreciated that because I want to know what you think you know what you went through right you had all the girls what do you think he was going through that first night what do you think the way oh my goodness first of all well I was just getting ready to say that first of all he had to face

all us beautiful women when he walked into that that that living room and you could tell he was like oh you know what I mean like I mean and and can you imagine I think I hope Everybody when they watch this first episode gives this guy some grace. I know you all did because how many times, personally I can speak, have said stupid things off the cuff. And I think when he saw you women, I think it was a, you know, a slap, not literally, but a slap in the face. Well, he got a puppet slap, but you know what I made. I think it was, I think he really thought, wow, I think, do you agree? Oh, I agree 150%.

Yeah. I agree because I sat there. I saw them. And you know what? I saw more than anything. I saw their hearts. I saw their hearts. Yeah.

I mean, I was like the person they came to to pray for every day, whatever they were playing. I was praying for them, whatever. And they all really accepted his apology. I felt that very sincerely. You know, even I did. One of them. Even I did. Because I was born to judge.

I didn't like what he had to say. I was like, hearing him and being humble and really was grateful and really was grateful for the forgiveness that you women gave him. I love to start over for this journey that he wanted to go on. I really took a different take. And Susan, who's perfect? The only man I know that's perfect is the man upstairs. We all open our men.

mouse and insert foot from time to time. I do it a lot. I do. I also, you all, when he apologized, and I thought his reaction was real. I mean, I don't think there was anything put on about that. And I think a lot of people, you guys, I mean, did you feel like this is not going to go well until you saw him. I just wonder how you felt coming up to it because we're not 40.

I mean, yeah, I'm talking about what he had said. Were you like, this guy's really going to have to prove it to me? Because I love a man who will say, I need to earn it back. And I love that about him. I think so. And I heard the comment. And I'm like, what's up with that?

Yeah. And then, you know, the rumors, they're getting rid of them. they have a new one, whatever. And I was just like, you know what? I'm going. And I'm going because some people said, oh, you shouldn't go.

Why are you going? They were just talking. They didn't know what was going on. They didn't even know I was going to be on the show. Didn't know. And I was like, come on, guys. Let's give him some good. When I say, even when we were interviewing the first night,

they said to me that I said, you know what? I hear what you all are saying. I accept his apology. And don't ask me that anymore. more. I just don't ask me. I don't want to hear about it. It's behind me. Yeah. He was sincere. Yeah. Very sincere. And very humble. And that's, okay, let's start this over. Okay. So, so, so we're all on a love Mel Fest now. I haven't met him yet, but I'm looking forward to it. No, but I'm looking

forward to it. Um, but I want to know, uh, that I have to tell you, I went into paralysis over the cheerleader. I was a cheerleader. Uh, but the fact that you all learned, Those cheers, that cheer so quickly. Tell me about that. What was that like for you doing that? And seeing Paula. What? First of all, first of all, just, we'll back up.

We were listening to her song on the bus. Oh, my God. That we were all excited. And I'm Team Paula. I'm Team. So we get out there. And when they, we thought we were going to play flag football. You know us.

Women were over. We like to take control. We kind of know what's going to go on. We all we know that. And we had no idea. So when she came out, It was like, oh, my goodness. And you want us to do what now?

Wait, well, wait, Jerry. You all, I'm assuming you came to the stadium in your cheer outfits, yes? No. No, we put them on. Okay. Remember us, Kathy, with the costumes and we had to, yeah. Oh, I definitely do you remember. We came in athletic wear.

Yes. And we're just like, okay, we're going to have to play flag. That makes sense. Okay, that makes total sense. And every one of us says. that. Everyone said the flag football, or we're going to do some type of drill or he's going to make us exaught.

You know, we all, you know, we all have. Who can throw the longest pass kind of thing? Yeah, who can throw the longest path? Who can catch the we all? And when we was impressed, I will say, he looked at me. It was impressed watching you guys. Both of you, both teams did a great job. I mean, you really

did. You know, we had a few. They were like, okay, Jerry, be serious now. Come on, Jerry. I'm like, leave me alone. But, you know, but Some were very serious. And I was, I was good because I was a dancer a little bit. And look, my daughter did cheer. She was a par.

There were a lot of dancer. Yes. I saw a lot of. I mean, there's you. There's, uh, Cindy's a dancer. There's a couple of other dancers there. Cindy was, they were phenomenal. They were, but you know what was good about the?

They all helped us. They helped us. Okay. That's what women do. That's what women do. Yes. All I know is what I've been told, and that's a half-truth is a whole lie. For almost a decade, the murder of an 18-year-old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved,

until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story. I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her. We know. A story that law enforcement used to convict six people, and that got the citizen, investigator on national TV. Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran. My name is

Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, producer, and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find. I did not know her and I did not kill her. Or rape or burn or any of that other stuff that y'all said. They literally made me

say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured guess on her. From Lava for Good, this is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame. America, y'all better work the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns. Listen to Graves County in the Bone Valley feed on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. and to binge the entire season ad-free, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts.

Hi there, this is Josh Clark from the Stuff You Should Know podcast. If you've been thinking, man alive, I could go for some good true crime podcast episodes, then have we got good news for you. Stuff You Should Know just released a playlist of 12 of our best true crime episodes of all time. There's a shootout in broad daylight. people using axes in really terrible ways, disappearances, legendary heists, the whole nine yards. So check out the stuff you should know true crime playlist on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My name is Ed. Everyone say hello, Ed.

I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer and my mom is a cousin. So like, it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really really... was my reality nine years ago. I'd just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian

with a story that no one expected to hear. On 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast.

called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia. We had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and... But what they find is not what they expected. Basically, your stay-at-home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin. They go, is this your daughter? I said yes.

They go, oh, you may not see her for like 25 years. Caught between a federal investigation and the violent gang who recruited them, the women must decide who they're willing to protect and who they dare to betray. Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand, and I saw the flash of light. Listen to the Chinatown Stang on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you get your podcasts. Do you want to hear the secrets of serial killers, psychopaths, pedophiles, robbers? They are sitting there waiting for the vulnerable thing. They're waiting for the unprotected.

I'm Dr. Leslie, forensic psychologist. I advocate for safety and awareness of... of predators while wearing pink. When you were described to me as a forensic psychologist, I was like snooze. We ended up talking for hours and I was like, this girl is my best friend. This is a podcast where I cut through the noise

with sarcasm, satire, and hard truths. I'm not gonna fake it and force it for me. Would you force an orgasm? Because that's like a different layer. The car accident you didn't want to see but couldn't turn away from. In this episode, I discussed personal safety and self-defense tools, instincts, and strategies.

to protect yourself and your loved ones in everyday life and high-risk situations. Listen to intentionally disturbing on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. At this point in time, is your heart getting, like, are you into him? I'm a little bit into him. Okay, okay. A lot of them were already into him. Okay. I was getting there.

I was getting there. So who were your friends? I want to know because on our season, there, as you just pointed out, there were some women in our season that were more into Gary in the beginning than others of us. So who did you gravitate to? Who were your friends? And how did that work with the positioning, if you will, with Mel? Well, with us, we had the smallest room. But we had the best room.

We had Carol, Carol, who is my ace, Carol, Carol, Carol, Carol, who I love. And we had Cindy, who was in our room. So she used to come over. I'm like, this is your room. Get out. So she still would come over. Get out, Cindy. And then we had Amy and then Robin.

Those are great women. And then we had the other ones that came in. We were like the party room to the point the handlers used to say, are you guys okay? What are you doing here? And we're like, you know, I can name. The smallest room, everybody congregated, right? That's funny because Susan and I were in the master. And that's where everyone.

And Teresa came and wanted to do yoga and they threw her out. April on our show. April, April, get out of here. Get out of here. Go to your room. Do you know in that big room? One of the big rooms, there was a sign that says, we are sleep at nine. Don't disturb it.

And I'm like, can I go and rip it off? She should have been in our room, Kathy. Are your roommates, were they the ones you gravitation? to for you weren't close to somebody in another room at all um you know what it's interesting because i prayed a lot with everybody everybody i had a prayer and i have on my nightstand i had jeremiah 29 for i have the plan for to prosper you not to harm you but to bring you hope for the future so if somebody was having some problems with another um lady jerry pray with me okay come on Well, funny you should mention that because it seemed that the women were getting frustrated with Nicole and her makeout sessions in the pool.

Well, that pool party, yes. Some of them were, but it was, Nicole is passionate. Nicole's very passionate, passionate and beautiful. And so she's a little more open than maybe some of us are. That's how I took it. She's not afraid to go up to them. No. She's not afraid.

had her octopus arms though I was like I have to say those arms wrapped around him and when Cindy ever said Nicole she's climbing a tree I died laughing I couldn't died laughing

but I just thought Nicole seemed good for her but I mean I just wonder because in our I'd be lying if I didn't say we had a couple of women who were very territorial

shall I say. That's a good word. Territorial. And it caused a little friction. So I just wonder if, you know, how were you feeling? Because clearly you're a peacemaker. That's that Lieber in me. Yeah.

Well, good. Justice. You're a woman of justice. There you go. But how did that feel? It didn't bother me. Honestly, it really, I wasn't like, didn't really. I mean, like, come on.

You didn't want to get your lips on that. Come on. I did get my lips on it, Kathy. So thank you very much. Oh, excuse me. Excuse me. He's a great kisser. Not that I saw the first couple kisses because I had that in my notes. Like, a kiss, it was like, I'll come on, Mel, give me something here. No, I mean, I kissed him. I kissed him. I kissed him. I did I kiss him at night? Maybe. Oh, you definitely get that. I saw that. Yeah. Ladies, I'm not dead.

Did you get the butterflies then? Did you feel special? Oh, I felt like Cinderella. Yes. And I still feel like Cinderella. And I will share with you ladies. And you can take this the way you want it. And he has big hands.

So you can take that anywhere you want to. Okay. That's enough said. Can we talk about the outdoor rose ceremony? That was cool. Oh. That was cool. The first night, like how long that night goes, right?

Oh, oh, you mean the first, first night when I got the very first night. But you know what? You weren't such a high. I know. We have this question here that says, how is your endurance? I used to work three jobs, and I worked the night shift, day shift. So I had two jobs in the morning during the day, 24 hours. So I worked.

So for me to be up like that was nothing. It was nothing. And I was on a high. I'm in a mansion. Well, wait, I want to know, were you worried about, obviously, you got the first impression was, but on the second ceremony, how were you feeling? No. You know why?

Because I did my little, my prayer. And I want to say the second ceremony, I think he came out in a burgundy suit, if I remember correctly. And when I saw that burgundy suit, because I looked up and I said, come on, David, I'm getting nervous. And when he came out in a burgundy suit, that was my husband's school, Morehouse College. I said, I got a rose. I'm not even thinking about it. Well, yes, you did have a rose, and you didn't need to think about it.

You just knew you were getting it? I knew it. Wow. I knew because of what I asked for, and I saw, and I'm pretty sure it was that burgundy suit he wore. And I just knew whatever it was. It got you the second. You strike me as a very confident. confident. And know who you are kind of woman, which I personally love because I want women our age

to feel that way. And the more of us out there that are espousing this, the better I like it. And I hope they see that about me. Now, take all this X to interior, you know, me. But I just want them to know they can do this. They can do this. Is it hard in the beginning? Yes. Yes. But take it one second at a time, one minute at a time, one hour at a time, and just go and have fun. That's what it's all about. I have to ask you when we saw two rose ceremony. So were you surprised at the second row ceremony who had to leave? Or did you know if I was surprised. I was just sad because I had formed a bond. Yes. Yeah, we hate it saying goodbye too, Kathy. Oh, it's wrenching. It's wrenching. but you know I never sat around and said

I wonder who's going home today who's going home today I just never it must have been the Lamarco the Perseco I don't know I just never but we all had to be prepared to leave well we had to and I yes you have to be yes you have to be but I didn't

you know because it's almost like we were competing but we're really not competing because we're all in color's cheerleader well that's actually a question I was I wanted to ask you jerry did you feel people used to ask us this did you feel like you were in a competition or an adventure to find love or are they the same thing i mean a competition with the other ladies yeah sorry yes um i mean there was a little competitive there there was there's a little bit i mean you always got the ones who always ran up to him first

pushing their way out the door of the mansion yeah knocking me down. Is it always Nicole? Yeah, we love her. But you know, it's okay. Because if you're confident in yourself, he'll see me. Well, and also, don't you think, we're only in the first episode, but I, and I certainly don't know how it ends, but I, from our season, even though Gary and Teresa didn't make it,

I think the process itself works. Do you? Oh, I do. Yeah. Absolutely. I do. I mean, people say, and you get your people who say, oh, you can't find love in that time. You know, you get those people. There's always going to be someone saying something negative. Of course. But see, my husband walked down the hospital, going to see a sick patient.

I saw him and was like, oh, my God, I have got to see him. I'm going to marry that man. That's what Kathy says. Jerry, I met my husband the first night of college at a fraternity party, looked at him across the room and looked at my sweet mate and said, you see that guy over there? She goes, yeah, I said, I'm going to marry him. And 18 months later, I did. So I get it. It's, yeah.

I believe in chemistry. I mean, you said it. You used the word chemistry. Chemistry is a real thing. Right. So no matter who's pushing through you, no matter who's doing, he'll see you. But you were there at one point looking around going, I think I see these two look at each other or I see you never felt like that.

You were just good with everything. I really was. I mean, I could tell that, and I may not, I could tell there was, he had an attraction. I could see that. Okay, you noticed things. Yes. Oh, yeah. How could you not?

Right? I mean, you can have an equal attraction, but I wish people, this is my, my plug for Mel and was the same for Gary. That, it's almost an untenable situation. I mean, don't get me wrong. I would love to be having 25. 23 men, whatever, fawning over me, let's be clear. But I think it's got to be so difficult for them.

And I think when they handle, when Mel, not only, you know, he was coming and digging out, frankly, he had to come and dig out. And he did a great job. I started, sure. So, you know, I give these guys great credit, and I give the women great credit because I'm a big believer in women supporting women.

And to that end, to that end, we've been bulleting you with questions. You got anything open up for before we before we head out of this great interview. Do you have anything you want to know about us questions? I do. I mean, what is life after the bash? What is life like for you all? What is life like?

It's still just as great as when you're on the show because for me, I love myself from being on that show. I'm okay with who I am. You know what I mean? Like I was like you were like that before you even went on the show though, Susan? So I always was me. Kathy, I could say for both of us, I'm sure, unapologetically, authentically, us. I am who I am. But after being on that show, it gave me more confidence, if you will.

I was okay with somebody else being happier than I got to be, you know, and happy for them. For me, I knew pretty quickly that Gary, by the way, this is hard, Jerry, Gary, I'm trying to keep the name straight. I know, Jerry. I was pretty clear. How many times did we call him that? Yeah, that Gary and I were not going to be a nice guy, but not my guy. Right. But I will tell you, for me being on that show was a gift.

My husband, I'm sure you know, my husband died by suicide. And so for me, so for me, it helped bring me back to life and help me help me find that joy again. But the biggest takeaway for me from being on the show, and I still feel it to this day, is when somebody says to me, Kathy, listening to you, I now, I feel like I have a purpose. I want to live my life. I'm so grateful that this experience means something to other people, that they can find joy. They can say, you know what, if she can do it, I can do it. So to be that little, maybe just that little example for someone to feel better about themselves, that is everything to me.

Right, right. Yeah, that's spot on. That's how exactly how I feel. I mean, I can heal you. I can bring you back to life, but your soul and just to make you feel good about yourself, that's something that's within. Yeah. And you put yourself in your comfort zone going on to, I mean, you're on national TV.

That's not in your everyday comfort. zone you know what i mean no no but i want to help i'm whoever it is whoever's whoever knows me i'm a i'm a giver that's my love language i'm a giver and i do it like blinking my eyes like it's like blinking my eyes it's so natural and i'll feed you i don't eat but i feed people and they say that all the time but what about as far as the feed people i do i feed them they'll tell you that she never eats but but as far as like the publicity all that like i don't have to be the cent of attraction. That's not my style.

You will be. People will recognize you and it's always warm and loving and you've given us hope like there's you're never too old to live. It's not over in your 60s. It's just beginning, you know,

and that share that message and people just will love you. I said we're strong, sassy and sexy. That's us. I'm sorry. I'm Sorry, Kathy. What are you going to say?

No, I think that's a great place to end it. Yeah. That cat says it all. When you come to Rockville, I want you guys to look me up, please. We will share each other's numbers afterwards. That was so much fun. And we want to thank you. You're such a wonderful guest, Jerry.

We're so happy that you're in our lives now. Welcome to the family. Oh, yes, you are. You know, if I had known you sooner, I would invite you to the wedding on Saturday. I'm telling you, I could have officiated. at the wedding. Now you tell me. Yeah, now you're talking.

I knew she'd get that in. But Jerry, really, it's been a delight getting to know you better. Thank you. And we also want to thank all of our listeners. Be sure to tune in. Follow Bachelor Happy Hour. We have new episodes coming out

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