Bachelor Happy Hour - Getting Real About the Golden Bachelor | Golden Hour

Episode Date: September 29, 2025

Today on “Golden Hour,” Kathy and Susan dig their teeth into the premiere episode of “The Golden Bachelor.” The veterans of the historic first season are not holding back as they dive into the women, Mel, and the season to come. We also get their unfiltered thoughts on the cast. From possible wrong reasons to Golden representation, Kathy and Susan are unapologetically sharing their true feelings. Then, we dive into Mel; do Kathy and Susan think he’s hot? And, of course, they share who they think will make it through and who might be at risk of leaving without love. Tune in now to hear all this and more and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Model Wars on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hours Golden Hour. Thanks for joining us today. We are so excited to be back. Indeed we are. And today we're getting into the premiere of the Golden Bachelor. Kathy, where do we even begin?

Oh my gosh. I have so much going on in my head. Honestly, Susan, first of all, we have to say women. Women of it. Let's talk about the world. Let's start with that. Or we can start with Mel. Where do you want to start?

Oh, gosh, I don't know. I don't let's listen. The women, okay? To me, it feels so different than our women. How? If it was they all have long hair, they look younger or act younger. I don't, I can't pinpoint. Okay, so my thought is, first of all, some hairdresser is making millions off of them because

they all have hair extensions. I'm sorry. I'm on all of them, Kathy. They all had lots of luscious, long, curly hair. Here's my thing about the women. And we're not giving anything away here because they showed it in the preview for next week. You and I have met some of these women and they're lovely. Having said that, to me, they don't seem or act golden.

Many of them are younger than our crowd was. But a couple of years shouldn't make that much of it. Well, but here's the thing. Many of these women, I've given this some thought. many of these women have careers. They own businesses. Oh, yeah. So I think many of them are looking for male. Some of them aren't looking for mail, but they're looking for exposure. They're looking to, you know, up their game in the social media world. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I'm saying we all came as innocence looking for love. Love, love. That's the moral of this whole,

that is the story. That is Bachelor about finding love in the most. unorthodox way, if you will. I mean, being on a show, all these women meeting one man, it's about loves. But I see, I don't, I disagree. I think, oh, you're right with not everybody's intentions are that. Yeah, not everybody's certified love. Some people are there. I mean, some of those people have, you know, hundreds of thousands of followers already. I mean, these are not newbies to the world. So having said that, I mean, watching women in the previews, jumping into the pool with their gowns on. We didn't do anything like that.

Well, you know, I mean, I'm not sure I would do it even now. But I want, there's so many things I want to talk about. Let's start with him. Can we start with him? Let's, okay, go for it. So coming out, watching his story and seeing him with his children and knowing still in the back of my mind, his statement that was made on that podcast. I didn't forget it.

I had a little judgey thing going on, if you were. But his life, the apology, he was sincere. He was so nervous about his stupid comment. And I almost felt bad for him in a way. I did feel for him. I liked how he seemed so humble. I liked how he chatted with his boys and he seemed ready. See, I agree with some of what you're saying.

Again, I give a lot of grace to anyone who's the lead because we as the women, you know, we'd hang out in the bedroom. We could talk. We could talk about our feelings. This guy is, you know, Mel has no one. He's, and men aren't as typically as, unless we're talking about Gary crying, men aren't typically as emotional and they don't, they don't let their feelings out. So I think, you know, personally, he started behind the eight ball.

Yes, he gave a great apology. You know, I'm reading things on the internet that, you know, he was primed. He was coached to say it. I don't know that that's true. I think he said in the moment on a podcast, you know, he didn't realize the world was listening, A, and B, he hadn't gotten into the show yet. And if you and I think they're beautiful. fabulous looking women. I think he was shocked. Well, he knows now. You hear him now. Yeah. And so I think when he says, I believe him when he said he is going to have to earn it back. And he and he thinks the

women are lovely. I'm going with, I think he means it. You know, I got to say though, Susan, I wish you would wear shoes instead of sneakers. Like, really? You got sore feet. You know, come on. We have to wear bras with metal straps on them. God's sakes. Come on, Mel, put on a real pair of shoes. Nipple covers and everything else. Remember when they're trying to put the mics on you? It's like, oh, well. Okay. So I'm giving him grace. I'm going to cut him some slack. I think he's a good-looking man. I think he's going to be surprised at this journey. So that's what I have to say about him. I think he's doing his best to dig himself out of a hole, and I'm going to give him some grace. Okay, the next thing.

Kathy, how about his energy? He's there. he's in the moment. He still feels a little death. I was just going to say energy, I think, well, listen, this is you and me who, you know, we're falling all over each other with so much energy. I mean, he wouldn't know what to do with us. But I think he just, he's got it. It's going to take some time for him to warm up into what he's doing. But I think he will. It's the first time he's ever done this too. Yeah. Okay. We have to jump in. The women are lovely. I've said it. I've said it on my social media. No, my money is on Sydney.

You're an Austin girl. My money's on my Austin girls. But wait, I love Cindy. Her eyes. Gorgeous. But I want to talk about as a mom and as a woman of a certain age. Because for all those of you listening, you know, my daughter was not really excited initially about me doing the show.

Nicole in the pool with Mel, making out with him. I'm sorry. I think I want to bring, I want to bring respect to women of our age. I want the bachelor nation to say you can be of a certain age and still command respect and love. Nicole's lovely, but I'm saying I think it's over the top and not a good luck. And you heard her line like, you know, I'm going for it. I feel there's something between us. But I love when Terry said, I don't act like that.

Look at her. She's jumping on. what did she say? She's, she's climbing them like a tree. That was Cindy. Cindy said, he's cliche. Cindy said, got that girl's climbing on like a tree, which, you know, thank you, Cindy. Love that. But I, I. But he didn't say something to Nicole.

Like, you know, let's slow this on. Let's, you know. Yeah, but, you know, did he though? I mean, he said. And we saw Gary kiss somebody else in front of all. I know, but you could. Like that. But did you feel the tension?

I mean, I saw. Cindy was talking with, I think, I think, she got a little tear. I just want to go back to one thing that Mel said. Wow. He said love is something you don't compete for. It's, or Alexandra, sorry, not Mel. Alexander has said this. Love is something you don't compete for.

It's a feeling. I'm sorry. But again, as a woman who has been on this journey, there is a competitive nature to this show. Yes, of course. And so, you have a small window of time that you get to spend with him. So you want to make it the best that you can and make him notice you. Okay. And, and to that, to that, we're all noticing Nicole. I mean, she's lovely and pretty. I love it. Now, the next thing I have to talk about, because I thought of you, Susan, when I watched this, I thought, oh, I've got to talk. We've got to do this on the bycats. But would you

rather gain? Would you rather? But here's, here's where I, again, I want to, I am the hopeful romantic. Remember, I coined that. You are in love. I want to be in love. I was a hopeless romantic until I came off the show. We're both hopeful romantic. Okay. Here, I had, I'm telling you, I rebound it three times again. What's the twice? Wait a second. Cheryl and he are playing this game. Carol, and he reads them. And he says loyalty or passion. And of course, I'm thinking, well, this is an idiot game.

Of course, loyalty. They both say passion. I'm like, if you don't have loyalty in your relationship, I'm sorry, out the door. The next one was a mountain or ocean and, you know, whenever they said the beach, okay, early rides or whatever, fine, early resident care. But then. touch or emotional connection. And I'm like, oh, well, we both want both.

But if you don't have an, what, are you kidding me? But if you have an, of course, yes, but that's really dissecting. It was just a quick little, you know, boom. Oh, no, see, I, you know, me, I take nuts. No, I want the man, let's be clear, who is going to, I would have an emotional connection with him, there's going to be physical touch, and by God, he better be loyal. So I was like, Mel, you and I have to have a talk here, because I didn't like that when he said passion. No, I didn't bother you.

Because I need to be touched. I like physical touch, so I got it. Great. Let me just say, for all you people out there, I'm going to call Frederique and I'm going to say, hey, listen, she doesn't care of your loyal. She just wants you to touch her. That's not true. You're not excusing one, okay? Yes, it is.

It's like the four... Would you rather is pick one or the other? You don't get to pick two, Susan, pick one. So that, I'm just going to say, that bothered me a little bit. Something else that Mel said, and I quote, age is just a number. Spirit has no age. Yes. I loved it.

Yes. That was well set. So when he said, you know, love, happiness and fun on his toast, like I said, I think Mel's great. I think, I mean, we all want them to find love. But I want these women. My thing is I want I want the Golden Bachelor TV show to be authentic with women who are golden and not parading around like teenage girls. I don't like that. I have to be honest. Anybody can parade around. I act goofy a lot of times, Kathy. It's not what I'm talking about. I'm well golden. What are you talking about that?

I'm talking about when everyone's gone, he's so hot. It's like, well, that's what I'm saying. I want our message to be different. And I, so I'm hoping that we're going to get more of that. All I know is what I've been told. And that's a half truth is a whole lie. For almost a decade, the murder of the. an 18-year-old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved,

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Hosted by me, Vanessa Gregoriatis, this is the untold story of an industry built on ruthless ambition. Listen to Model Wars on the I-Heart page. app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. How about Peg? Let's talk about Peg. And she sat down and chat it with him. I love this woman, okay? And her hair is real.

It is so thick, I would hate to be her hairdresser. Okay, let me tell you what I think about Peg. And I loved her conversation because she nailed it. She asked very important questions. You're not retired. Well, how do you spend time with people? I need somebody to spend time with me. Like, I really loved her conversation.

Yeah, and so let's talk about that for a minute. I agree with you. She's very real. First of all, I love that she's a bomb squad. She's a firefighter. My son was a firefighter. So, Peg, I love you right there. Love her to pieces.

But hold on. When she said, wait, when she said, when the bomb didn't go, if I know that's where you're going. Yeah, so I can't say it. I felt so mad. But here's the thing about Peg. Yes. She, for me, is either going to go really far. Or not at all.

Or she is going to be out the door. And I'll tell you why. That woman has been around. She said it herself in a firehouse with, you know, and she said all these women chatty, chatty, chat. She is not used to, you know, hair flipping, what color lipstick am I going to wear today kind of girl? She's a get the job done. And I love her for that.

So I'm anxious to see what happens with her. But I'm proud of her. Yes, women as firefighter. Love it. You've had this same exact thing said to you when people have said to me, how come you can't find anybody? And I'm a lot. We're a lot. We're big personalities.

Either you fall for us or you don't at all. Right. We just be our friend. Well, I have a question. I agree, I agree. But here's the question I'm about Peg and Mel. Again, as a woman who's looking for her partner, when she said to Mel, you know, I want you, I'm looking for a man, when are you going to retire? He said, never.

And then I think if I'm not, if I'm, I think I've got this right, she said, what are you looking for? And he said, I've been looking for you. So you already see the flirting going on. But, but again, we are not 25 or 30. We're not building careers. Apparently, he is still working. So how is that going to work?

Some women eat that up. That is an important thing to say. Like even though he putting it out there flirtatiously, some women think, oh my God, I've been looking for you. He really does. He has a connection with me. When you're that into somebody, any little thing they say, you're going to take it as, oh, it's a,

me and him. It's me and him. Like when him and Cindy had that talk and the three kisses, you know, she kept going back. Let me tell you, that girl, I'm going to call her in Austin. I'm going to ask her to teach me on a floor because, man, she's got it down. Okay, I want to, I also want to talk about Monica P. What I almost cried because I'm alone. And when she talked and he, you could see that connection of eating alone. And I just. And she felt maybe she said too much too soon. So here is the difference. Again, as a woman of a certain age, the 30-year-olds, the 20-year-olds, they just throw it

all out there. They don't care. We're smart enough to sit back and say, look at the big picture. Yeah. Should I have said that? Should I have not? Am I going to push you? Well, that's what she did.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I just, I'm Amy, a little firecracker. She's just a giddy little tiny thing. He goes, good, good, good, good, good, God bless her. I love her. She's going to be entertaining for sure.

Okay, now, you know, Kathy. Sandra has a twin. We knew that. I don't view. We knew that. But I thought when they, she had told us on our show she had a twin. But here's the thing. If Sandra had more hair and a more upbeat style and got rid of her glasses, they would look

like the identical twins they are. I know. Sorry that she went home the first night, but we never really got a sense of her. So, okay, but the next thing I have to ask you about is, before we get into the specifics of it, what do you think about golden women who aren't totally golden as cheerleaders? I'm on my show, and I hate it on this show. Let's define golden. Will you please, to me, the definition would mean age of social security, which is 65.

Okay. Even have some 50-some-year-olds in here. Yeah, we had some, I mean, and then, and let me tell you, I was, I want to talk about the cheerleam, but we'll bookmark that and come back. Diane, Diane is 71. I mean, every time I want to see, I go in and look at the picture. Yeah, Diane, it's the sweet librarian, I believe, from Arkansas. I'm not sure which from, but, you know, cute little short haircut.

She did not have extensions. Oh, Diane. Oh, you know what? She's not, though. She's from Alaska, which is even cool. She's from Alaska. But here's the thing. That woman in my mind is there for the right reason, in my opinion.

She's there. She's authentic. And I'm like, yes, we actually have a really wonderful golden woman. I'm not sure there. Well, clearly she went home, which was sad because I wanted to see a woman who's golden, who's fit. I mean, gosh, that woman is fit. I wanted to see where that would go,

but I just had a genuine liking of her. She was sweet. Was she the one that said, what the puck? Yeah, she's a hockey player. I mean, and he was shocked by that. And we talk about Debbie and that dimples and how cute, pretty, and her smile. And she's never been married.

And I wonder if that, you know, some people think that's a red flag. I know you and I have said, oh, he's never been married. Susan, I will not. I dated one man. Debbie, I love you and you're beautiful and I'm not sure this applies to women. But as a woman, I dated one man who had never been married. Ask me if I'll ever do it again. Really?

What? Ever. Never. Red flag. Like people that never had kids because they don't know what it's like to have children. Well, but sometimes you can't have children. That's a choice. While not being married, not having children, that's a whole.

family unit, something you adjust, it's part of your life. And they don't. They never to do it. So I think, I don't know. I think, I mean, Debbie said she built a business. She started as a fitness instructor, all that stuff. And it is a choice not to get married. But I think, I think if you've never been married, the only person you've ever worried about is yourself. And if you only worry about yourself, that doesn't bode well for, me for a partnership. And to me, at my age, I am not looking to be led by any age, by the way. I hope women aren't looking to be led by the nose. But I want a partner, someone to walk with me, not in front of me, not behind me. Not one, but together. How about Carol and L.A.?

They had a lot in common, a lot of sports thing. I like that. Robin, I would definitely want to date Robin. Oh, no, no. Listen, you and I are taking a trip out to Napa. We're going to go see And Terry, I mean, I love some of these women have so much spunk. But I would be lying. I would be lying. And for all you out there, don't send me messages telling me I'm jealous. I'm not. I am perfectly happy with who I am.

I just believe in golden people having energy. And, you know, when you're 58 or 60, you know, you have energy. But you're, I just got to say, maybe not that golden. And that for Marsha, Monica, Monica B was so shocked when she got the rose. Did you see her face like, because I felt like she didn't think he was going to be there. And she's quiet but funny. Like she's got a great personality. Yes.

I'll tell you another one I really like is Jerry. And I'll tell you why. I like her. Well, first of all, because she's real and you and I are so real. So I love her kids on her own. But a widow at 47 years of age. Let's talk about that, raising kids. Again, I don't know if young, I think the people watching this season are so going to, I have

goosebumps are so going to identify with a golden woman. You know, she's 64. I'll cut her slack for a year. And she said the overarching themes that I love hearing about, you know, it's my. turn now 18 years later and I think Mel resonated with that because he's raised his kids and I just think the the overarching themes of finding wanting connection looking taking to you know it's our time now let's all of those things I want that to be displayed more I want that to be a more central focal theme in this in this show and I hope it

becomes more so. Tell me something, Kathy, when you look at Mel, he doesn't read. I can't read what it is he's looking for. You know what I'm saying? Okay. So I, I think that I related. I swear. I can't put my finger or do you want the flirtatious, fun, jump on your bones kind of girl. I want to be smart. Like, maybe he doesn't know. Maybe he doesn't know. Maybe he doesn't know. And that's fair, Mel. If you don't know, you don't know, you don't know what you don't know. But that brings up something else that I thought about. The women, you know, were enthusiastic and lots of energy. And I do want to get back to the cheerleading. Yes, yes, just. But I'm like, no, they, but did you hear Mel talking about the women and how, you know, they gave up, they, they're so energetic and they're pretty,

Yes. But I didn't hear him sort of talking about what it does for him. Yeah, and what he's really looking for. I didn't hear it. And so, again, as a woman of a certain age, if you don't know by the time you're our age, what you want. Well, you can't judge a book by its cover heel. He only met them, what? Yeah.

I have not met him. I can't wait to meet him. But all right, what about the cheerle? I was a cheerleader. Let's just start with that. And so is I. I mean, come on. I thought it was fun.

It was better than the talent contest they surprised us with. You know, what I hadn't. I had not thought about that. Karate chopping wood. When Paula Abdul came out. I thought, you know what I thought it was going to be? And I was thinking, oh, damn it, I was on the wrong season. Because I can throw a football.

I can throw a spiral football. I know. I was thinking, well, I was a children. I could do that too. But I was just, when they go, we're shaking our booties. I'm like, come on. Really? Look at us on stage doing it. That's what the show is about. Taking you out of your comfort zone and making you do things that you wouldn't normally, ordinarily just jump. Oh, you know what, Susan. You're right. I have lived 70 plus years, never jumping into a swimming pool with a ballgap. on, damn, I haven't lived life yet. That was a moment I loved. I loved it. The hell you would, Susan. You'd be like, I ruined my dress.

I ruined my shoes. After the night, it wasn't before. And I love the rose ceremony outdoors by the pool. Oh, yeah, I did love that. Well, that's something else. Wait, that is something else that they changed. On our season, they were trying to hide that we're up all night log and, you know, Sondra's bitching, who was it, you know, not Sandra, Natasha, give me a chair.

Give me a chair. But this time, it was like they acknowledged the elephant in the room, which is friends. You're up all night. The rose ceremony is in the morning. They said at 7 a.m. I like that because to me, that's authentic. And I want it to be real. I really want it to be real.

The people to see what you watch on TV is really happening. It's really happening. It's really happening. It's about finding love. Get back down to the basics. It doesn't matter. matter, who flirts the most, who dresses the best, who sleeps more, who is shy, who is forward. It's about a connection of love. Yeah. Well, you are just, okay, that's what we want. I am

what. What were you about to say? Love stick girl. Well, you know, it's, it's coming for me, Susan. I'm saying I want, this show is, the framework is about love, but it's so much more. And the themes that Like anxiety, you know, you heard Mel say at the beginning. This is real people. And forget the TV show for a minute. People our age, we have anxiety. We have worries about our children. When he took Cheryl on that first date and she's talking about her son and taking care of her mother.

And her husband left. I'm sitting. Our husband comes back and steals Tyson for a week. She didn't know where he was. I was losing my shit. All I know is what I've been told, and that's a half-truth is a whole lie. For almost a decade,

the murder of an 18-year-old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved, until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a handful of girls, came forward with a story. I'm telling you, We know Quincy killed her.

We know. A story that law enforcement used to convict six people, and that got the citizen investigator on national TV. Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran. My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, producer, and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.

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podcasts. all about what makes the goldens different. And their stories are real. I mean, they all have hair and extensions. I don't care what you say. And they're all gorgeous and they all wear bikinis. And for that, I am jealous. However, their stories are real.

Ray, you know, taking care of mother-in-laws, taking, you know, Mel, taking care of his sons. And not having any time to date in all those years. Right. Look at the young lady that we interviewed. Jerry, she spent her. life raising her children when her husband passed now it's time for her and he knows it accepts it and gone after it okay now i'm going to say something else that's going to irritate you but why now we're

just going for the gusto today loves doing this i just love it because you know susan and i this is how we i don't even have wine yet cathex's early you know either do i speak you know we might take me take a break here um i have to say i'm going to ask you because i have mixed emotions and again all right when Cheryl got the first date, the princess date, just like Ellen got it in our show. But can I just say, I love it. I mean, I want that jewelry. I want those dresses. I want it all.

But I just feel, I can help. I'm a realist. I can help when she starts crying, I want to be a princess. I have not taught my daughter to be a princess. I taught my daughter to get off her ass, get an education. work hard, earn your money. So it bothers me a little bit. But she's still a girl. You always teach her the girly things as well. It's, it's, you're a female. Females are different than males. No, no, no. When Cheryl said, I want to be a princess and I, and she cries, I thought to myself,

okay, I mean, we all, I haven't had anybody treat her like a princess. Treat yourself like a princess. Believe in yourself. for a man to put you up on a pedestal and make you feel like a princess and that date was like a princess date it was no no no hear me i'm no no no wait let me be clear susanary was sitting there hello wait i am not saying freaking princess no no no wait i don't think you're understanding what i'm saying i am saying that when i hear a woman at our age cry and i want to be a princess i'm like no sweetheart You have so much more Cheryl. You are a strong woman who is, you know, who has an open heart.

It's taken care of your mother. You know, you've had a son that you've raised. That's what makes you worthy. It's not about... Okay, so you're doing all that because I could say that. I very well could say it. I'm going to say it. I wouldn't be a princess.

I'm 68 years old and it's time I be the princess. You're right. Her career is like. she did it all. Why not want to be the prince now? Maybe look at it like that. I guess it's the word princess. I, you know, I guess it's worth princess. I mean, I've never, listen. For Halloween, you're going to be a princess. I'm going to dress you up. I'm going to give the crown. Going to get you glasses. Listen, I want a guy who loves me. At our age, I'm saying, this is stuff that you hear a 20-year-old say, I want to find a guy treating a like a princess. He just came out of her mouth,

Maybe she didn't even know she was going to say it. She just said, oh, I want to be. I guess what I'm trying to say is, Cheryl, I love you. I think you are strong. I think you are capable. You should be celebrated. And all right, you want to be a princess? Okay, you know, I love you be a princess, Cheryl.

I love it. She came in on that motorbike and she wants to be a princess because she was rugged. She's done the tomboy thing. She's done that, you know, the. rough stuff now you dress up and you're pretty that's the benefit that's the problem susan i need the pretty clothes and the jewelry that's the benefit of being a woman you get to do both oh i'm sorry i thought you're going to say princess i'm with you be a woman it's the princess i'm struggling with okay i want to talk about let's get we talk about oh wait i want to talk about i can't tell you

because i i'd have to look them up um other than uh let's see uh andra um uh the ones that went home. Diane, I hate seeing them go home, but that's hard. But here's, can I ask you, and I want an honest answer here, Miss Princess. Yes. Yes, your highness. Here's my question for you. Yes. Does it go against your grain as a strong independent woman, and you and I both are, that women, I mean, you understand, I'm gunning to become a producer here. I don't. I don't. I don't, don't like the fact. I know people have to go home. I wish they would start with, I think there were 17 left. I think they'd six went home. I think I'm right. Why don't they just freaking start with 17 and have them stay a couple of episodes? And less crowds. Like even the group

dating, make it less of them. So you really can mingle and know somebody's personality. I mean, we're talking about two things here. What makes a good show. We're talking about what makes a good show, but I'm talking about women. We are trying to celebrate golden women. We are not invisible anymore. We have things to say. We want people to listen to us, except we really don't because we're sending six of your home the first night. I don't like that.

I forget, I hate to interrupt, but someone said, I feel seen. Was that Cindy? Yes, and safe. Safe. Seen and again, these are these overarching themes of be feeling, seen being vulnerable having an open heart coming for the right reasons having anxiety but overcoming it all these really serious kinds of things and that's why i hate seeing women go home the first night who didn't even have a chance whether they spoke to him for two minutes or not

i just wish that that you remember the first time we got to sit with gary i think it was like maybe two minutes and what are you going to talk about in two minutes. Except Peg, Pegg knew what she was going to talk about. All right, let me hear. Let me. I want to know what it is you're looking for. What do you like to do? Are you retired? How much time do you want to spend the, too, that's sure of herself. Do I see me in Peg? Do you? I see me in Peg. I'm like, let's get down to brass tax here. What do you think? I mean, I've always been a direct, I mean, I wasn't a firefighter, but, you know, my son is and I've seen it all. I love that she's strong, but again, men are either going to be a really, what I say, men, Mel, is either really going to be attracted to that.

A strong woman or not. Compare that to Nicole. Have you heard conversation from Nicole and him? I only see hanging on and making it out, and I get it. She feels like there's chemistry and she's going for it. But I had never really heard a good conversation. You're saying they did not have a conversation? I'm asking, did I miss something? Was there a deep conversation with them?

I'm sorry, just Nicole, are you asking specifically? I don't think they had, but again, remember, we're only seen what the TV show shows us, so we don't know if he did. But again, I don't know why I'm on such a tear today, but I want women, it's, you want to go, you know, jump his bones in the pool, okay, fine. But I want, I want women to see that we. can be graceful and strong and have opinions and still be desired by men. And they were very good for it. And they were all excited when she got the date, the first date.

They were all happy for her. Like we were for everyone when Teresa got the date. I feel like a job. Like we were the first ever. Our show was the first ever in the history of basketball. Yeah. We're seeing. They're going to. a fine tune and they're, you know what I mean, but I don't think they should go any younger. 50s is out of the ballpark for me. That's not golden. Well, you're still in puberty. I want to know, do you think some of the women there, we don't have to name names unless you want to. I think some of the women are there for the wrong reason. I think some of the women saw us and what happened for us and they want that. But do you and I, Susan, you and I, you and I, you and I,

I never thought about this. We didn't know what. I didn't even have Instagram, okay? Wait. I didn't know what an influencer was. The whole, neither did I. The whole thing was, Kathy, and you and I both share coming off that show, we're reaching so many women letting them know, life is full of possibilities.

That's over in your 60s. That's the message. And that's the message I want this show to have. Always. Always. And. At once. What did you think?

I have, back. to Nicole for one second. I have another question. What did you think? I mean, I want to say Nicole. I love, and I do. I love all these women. I mean, the ones we bet. I do. I think they're a lot. It's a kiss in front of everybody. You know, all that was a lot.

When she said, he's my husband, you know, I'm like, come on. Is that really? Made me something. Remember you at 20-some years old and you saw your man? I was married. No, you weren't married yet. He was across the room. You went to a party.

in college or something and you said that man right there is going to be my husband. Susan, you just proved my point. Exactly. I was 20 years old when I got married. I was 18 when I met my husband and you're exactly right. I was at a fraternity party.

I pointed, I was holding my red cup because drinking was legal at 18 because that's how old I am and I looked across the room and I saw him and I tap my room mate with that was at the problem that guy over there I'm going to marry him and I did 18 months later so do you think Nicole is not 18 no well maybe she still believes it maybe she really

thinks it hey we don't know what's going to happen she may be the one maybe that's what he likes we what I can't wait for more episodes we know what turns him that's what I'm saying I just sexually but you know in all ways what may him happy because right now he's going with the flow his first kiss I saw him kiss I was like oh that's kind of dead when I kissed Gary I thought what that's all you got okay so for all of you listening I risk have a little summation here before we move on let's see Susan's a princess wants to be a princess she's judging how you kiss she wants to be touch she wants to be loyal but if you if you're as long as you touch her she's not really concerned if you're loyal apparently

And it's, oh, and don't forget, bring the passion to the game. We got it. I can. And have energy. I don't know. I'm excited about this season. I really am. I know, like, I don't know what's going to happen.

I don't know who's leaving next. Part of me wants to know everything, and there's people that know, but I don't want to know. I want to see it happen. I will say, if I am, God knows, I tell the truth, there is a part of me. that is very envious of what's going on there because I would I well first of all I'm going to take heat for this too what I would take Mel over Gary any day of the week Monday through Sunday 365 a year or you know pick your time pick your poison he I mean I think he is a good

looking man I think he's fit um you know I think he's right now it's a little stiff but I believe he's going to warm up. And I will say, Susan, if he'd met me, there wouldn't be any of these comments about, you know, 40 to 6-year-old. Can we go backwards about his shoes? Did you hear what he said? Oh, he said he has wide feet. The feet hurt, man. And guess what? They weren't that bad. And the style today, you see so many men with sneakers in a suit. I love it. I love it. I love it. So, and, so wait, you're, I can't honestly believe that they spent 10 seconds talking about his feet. I mean, trust me, if I'm looking at, if I'm looking at Mel, I can assure you I am not looking at his feet, okay? We're just going to put that out there. You know, I don't care

if he has feet. They're not good for much, you know what I mean? Remember Gary telling us more than once what the shoe size was? I was like, seriously, seriously save it. You know, I am, but I am envious because I would love to do over. I want to be there again. Wasn't it so much? I want to do over with a guy, a real guy that's worked my time. Can we have a do-over? Yes, let's start a campaign. And men, if you're listening, right into Bachelor that we meet, Kathy and Susan get a chance to do it again, or both of us with all men. There's just one little detail here, Susan, in case any of the listeners are paying attention. You have a man. Remember that? So that leaves it

to me. Guess what? Guess what? We're down to me. Kathy. Kathy and 25 guys. Or Mel, if he didn't choose anyone, Mel, I'm available. Keep it golden. We got it. Is it in the dictionary golden? Like, is it just the color? It's something about, I think if you look it up, something about very expensive metal, but, you know, I think this is going to be a great season. I am so excited about next season. I think that these women are really, of course, come with their A game. Some of their A games are not maybe to find Mel, but we're going to find out more. And they are in it to win it. You know what? So with that being said, we cannot wait until next week. And all right, everybody, we want to thank you so much for listening to us.

And we hope you write in and let us know your thoughts. Make sure to tune in tomorrow for our interview with Jerry. It was perfect. It was fabulous. And it was hysterical because we We were, we couldn't, it was Gary, Jerry, we were having trouble keeping her. But she is fabulous. We had so much fun chatting with her. Okay, we cannot wait. I know I can't to keep watching this season and giving you guys our thoughts. Let us know what you think.

We want to hear your thoughts. Tell us what you think about the guys, what you think about Mel, what you think about all these ladies. Absolutely. And we're going to tell you what we think. That's for sure. So listen to Bachelor Happy Hour's Golden Hour on the IHeart Radio app or we're ever you listen to your podcast. Until next week. Have a great week. The murder of an 18-year-old girl in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved for years until a local

housewife, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story. America, y'all better work the hell up. Bad things. happens to good people in small towns. Listen to Graves County on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season, ad free, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcast. Hi there, this is Josh Clark from the Stuff You Should Know podcast. If you've been thinking, man alive, I could go for some good true crime podcast

episodes, then have we got good news for you. Stuff You Should Know just released a playlist of 12 of our best true crime episodes of all time. There's a shootout in broad daylight. People using axes in really terrible ways, disappearances, legendary heists, the whole nine yards. So check out the Stuff You Should Know true crime playlist on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. People called them murderers. Ten years later, they were gods. Today, no one knows their names.

A group of maverick surgeons who took on the medical establishment who risked everything to invent open heart surgery. Welcome to the Wild West of American Medicine. I'm Chris Pine, and this is Cardiac Cowboys. If you like medical dramas, if you like heart-pounding thrillers, you will love Cardiac Cowboys. Listen on the IHeart Radio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Sponsored by Jasper, AI Build for Marketers.

Introducing IVF disrupted, the kind body story. a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. It grew like a tech startup. While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients. You think you're finally, like, in the right hand. You're just not. Listen to IvyF Disrupted, the Kind Body Story,

on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the 1980s, modeling wasn't just a dream. It was a battlefield. It's a freaking war zone. These people are animals. The Model Wars podcast peels back the glossy cover and reveals a high-stakes game where survival meant more than beauty.

Hosted by me, Vanessa Grigoriatis, this is the untold story of an industry built a ruthless ambition. Listen to Model Wars on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an I-Heart podcast. Thank you.