Bachelor Happy Hour - Girl Chat with Gabby & Rachel!

Episode Date: August 2, 2022

It’s a Bachelorette-apalooza! Becca and Michelle are joined by Gabby and Rachel for a Bachelorettes-only girl power party!! The ladies spill TONS of behind-the-scenes details from their Bachelorette journey thus far, including pulling pranks in Paris, dealing with drama aboard the Valiant Lady, what really goes down in Bachelorette group chat, and SO much more.  Plus, Becca and Michelle get to know the Bachelorettes a little bit better in a hilariously revealing game of “Rachel or Gabby”! Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode. See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I feel like this is the episode that everybody has been asking us for. I know Becky, you and I have talked about this, that we have started this season and we've talked to a lot. of wonderful people but it was time to bring the queens gabby and rachel on and so that is who we're going to be talking with today and i cannot be more excited oh my gosh i cannot wait just like all of our listeners i have also been asking our team when we can get these two women on because i know their schedules are absolutely crazy they need a break from all the press that they're doing all the traveling that they're doing but i want to start this episode just bringing them on right away. We obviously usually do

recabs, but like, why do a recap when we have the women of the season here to give us all the behind the scenes, just have the ultimate girl chat. So Michelle, let's just skip everything and bring on Gabby and Rachel right now. Let's go. Welcome to

Bachelor Happy Hour. Rachel and Gabby, we are so excited to have you both. We've been asking about you both for weeks. I know that your schedules are crazy, busy. So welcome. We're so excited. This is the first time where We have had four official bachelorette's all on one scream. This is crazy.

This is a moment. Okay, okay. I'm happy to take a photo of all of us. But how are you both doing? Good. It's been crazy. And, you know, starting to watch everything back. I think we're just in a whirlwind right now.

Gabby, what about you? How are you feeling about everything? Because, you know, going through it is one thing, but watching it back is another thing. Absolutely. It's like, I feel like, watching it back is still a part of our journey and kind of almost reliving it, but seeing

it from different people's perspective. So it's just like, I feel like you just go right back into where you left off. It's so weird seeing yourself on the screen too. Like every single time you think about, we've talked about this, Becca, what, Becca had a phrase, I had a phrase, Gabby and Rachel, I want

to know your phrase. Like, what is the phrase that you've been watching on the screen and you feel like you say over and over again or like the different movement that you make over and over again? Yeah, totally. what do you say rachel i'm grabbing for sure the nodding and then

some people are sitting across from each other I can see I start doing it like back to her like I'm like yeah totally and I'm like I'm like mirroring each other I know it's hard not to I've always done it but I didn't I have you don't know your mannerisms and your tics until you like watch it back

like I had no idea my voice sounding like this I don't know that I'm like incessantly nodding but I can't help it. It's like when I'm paying attention. If I'm not like paying attention, then you would know. And Gabby, I feel like with the nodding, your response is always, yeah, totally. Yeah, totally. Yeah. You do say yeah. Yeah, totally. I'd say yeah a lot. Lean into like any sentence. I'm like, yeah. I want to ask you, actually, I want to ask all three of you this because this is not something that I don't, I've been able to ask leads before. But, okay, when I was filming, I always thought, you know,

the fun part's going to be. when it airs. Like, this is the hard part now filming. The fun part will come. And getting out of all of that now and being a few years removed, it was switched for me. Like, the fun part was definitely the filming and then the hard part was when it was airing. Have you all experienced that too? I hate watching. Yeah, totally. I was missing. Do you get pre-episode anxiety every Monday? So much. I just, I loved filming it. And I think we had so much fun. And it kind of sometimes just feel like you're living life and no one's going to see it because you do forget the cameras and then you start watching everything back and it's just I'm sorry I'm laughing right now because Gabby's

nodding. One thing that Michelle and I were just talking about before we brought you two on is there is a Bachelorette Bible that has been lost somewhere in the universe. I received it from Rachel, Caitlin and Jojo on my season. I had sent it I believe during Tasha's season. I don't know if she got it. I have no idea where it is now but I did take pictures before I sent it so have you guys first of all heard of the Bachelorette Bible

I think we could use it. I didn't say first the group chat there's a for those who don't know a full Bachelorette group chat as soon as like you come on the squad or part of the team you get added to this group chat um we Gabby

Gabby and Rachel got added a little late. That was all of our fault. Yeah. Well, usually we'll add you all during your premiere. And I don't know, all of us were busy. I don't know what happened. But we just brought you on this week. What was that like being invited to this official Betty group chat?

Because that's the nickname Bettie's. What was it being invited to it? And like, what was your reception? because I feel like there was so much love and support from all of us being thrown your way. There's a lot of us. Damn. Yeah. What was that like?

It was crazy. Yeah. I think it was so nice getting all the support. And as I was saving names, then it became real. Like, I can't believe I'm in one chat with all these people, women that we've looked up to who have been in our shoes. So I'm like, oh, my God, can't believe it. Like, saving name to number. It's ironic.

Yeah. But you guys literally didn't even think it was real. Because you heard about it, right? There was a producer. You spoke to somebody that like brought up this chat and you, did you like feel like it was a complete myth? I thought it was just like, oh, they have a chat. And I was just like, oh, okay. Like, I didn't think it was real. And then their phone started blowing up. I'm so excited. We finally added you. It was a long time coming. Again, I think we all just dropped the ball those first couple of weeks. But you're in it for life. Sorry, guys. We're happy and excited. But back to this Bachelorette Bible because it's something that we all should have been writing advice or just words of encouragement in. Obviously, it's now floating around somewhere. So I wanted to read you all just a couple bits because this is actually something Michelle never even saw or read either. So I'm going to pick a couple from the different women again, Caitlin, Jojo, Rachel and myself all wrote in it. So one is we said to keep a journal. it'll help you remember this journey and help you find certainty in the end did either of you

keep a journal yeah yeah i did i started getting like lazy with it like towards the end it was just so much and then i i wouldn't write in it but in the beginning i tried yeah it's hard yeah yeah did you keep it i think we had the most like downtime weirdly enough during hometowns because we were traveling um in between each city so and that's when you're your relationships are getting really serious. So that's when I journaled the most. And it would help me, but yeah, I'm lazy with it. It's hard to find the time.

It's right notes to each other, too. Yeah. Yeah, right ones and I would find a note from Gabby. I love that. I love that. You know between like traveling the world, dating four different guys, hometowns, whatever it is. You didn't have time to write in a journal.

No? Yeah. I didn't have time to like even assess what was going on in my brain. I'm like, I don't know what I'm doing. Well, you were probably like, when you had free time did you not just want to sleep yeah mostly but right i don't know drink sleep pray external last yeah um okay one thing another one that was written in here is it's okay to feel totally out of control in your emotions and feelings open yourself up to fall

which i feel like we're starting to see as each episode airs you feel like you both did that we're able to fall in the end yeah i think we both are so open with our emotions to the point where it's what episode four now and we've already cried every single episode so i feel like we are so open and like totally bought in to the the journey were you guys like surprised with okay so like you said week four right were you surprised with the level of feelings that you could have even for like more than one person week four like did that so did that shock you um i i did i'm slower in relationships like even on clayton season i had a slower start so it is just who i am it did take me a while to kind of come around um not i i i knew i was going to come around i had to allow my space for it it's not

like i was shut down or all or else i wouldn't be here but i knew i had to be patient with myself and i think around this time. It did start to click like, oh, I think I know I can, this can work for me and, but I don't know who. I don't, you know what I mean. You have to remain like almost reset into every day. This is a new person, a new day, like new feelings and maybe a new journey for me. So that was something that I really wanted to do for myself is like constantly allow my mind to change because I wanted to give myself that space and the guys. I feel like I'd feel like I doing i would be doing them a disservice if i had my mind made up right away so it was like a conscious effort waking up every day to reset and like reopen up like compartmentalize

yeah yeah what so rachel how about you like do you i feel like you you've been so so so decisive i don't even know if anybody has anybody ever sent someone home on the first one-on-one date i don't think so do you talk about that i hate that i'm the first i like no but here's didn't want that to happen. It was such a really hard decision. And that was definitely the date where I feel like every bachelor's has that moment of like, I can't do this. Like this isn't going to work. And I knew it was going to come, but I didn't think it was going to come that soon. But once I got over that, I really was able to like fully dive in. Like my next one of one was incredible and the one after. So yeah, that was, it was tough. I want to ask you this, Rachel,

because I was actually thinking about it as I was watching. the episode because in this past episode you were struggling this week. You know, you had your highs and lows and you had your great one-on-one date with Tino and then after that when you I don't want to say crashed Gabby's group date but you know you showed up and you felt

like the men weren't paying attention to you. Was there any point you know in the past four weeks now that we've seen where you wish you maybe didn't ask Jordan on the first one-on-one and saved him for a little bit later? Or do you think nothing would

changed. Yeah, it really, it was just so crazy. He was really the perfect pick for that first date. And he was so incredible. He is such an incredible guy. But there was just something that wasn't clicking. I think more on like the chemistry level, which, you know, you can't really get past that once you kind of know you're not clicking in that area. And for me, I think I just knew in that moment that he wasn't going to be the one. So I wouldn't have said that, I mean, it would have been the same thing down the road. Eventually.

So it just happened a little bit sooner. I love that because it even something big or like nasty didn't have to happen for you to send somebody home. Doesn't mean they're a bad person, but like for you to have the intuition and gut feeling like right off the bat and then make a decision.

Stick firm with that. Like that says so much as well. Yeah. You can't force the chemistry, but it's not there. It's unfortunately just not there. Right. And I feel like you don't have to know

on your one-on-one, this is who I'm going to end up with, but you have to leave with that thought of there's a possibility. And I could see this and I'm excited about it. And I just knew as soon as he started to open up, I didn't want him to share all these things when I know I couldn't really reciprocate it. So that's kind of just where the decision ultimately came from. Yeah, which I respect. Honestly, I respected the hell out of it. And I know that can't be easy because as we all know now because we've been through it, those one-on-one dates, like you said, are reserved for people that you potentially see lasting and, like, see a long outcome with. And so to have to not give a rose during that point, like, a rose ceremony means one thing because people expect to be going

home. But on a one-on-one date, it's so much harder. And so when you did that, I was like, oh, she knows what she wants or what she doesn't want, she's going for it. I think me and Gabby, too, just also know kind of what it's like to be in a way strung along. So I feel like both of us, as soon as we had a decision we just kind of made it and that's he carried it through the whole season yeah i think especially being on the sidelines and you know being with you as that night unfolded i feel like the easier thing to do would have been to like give him a rose and just push through but you're being so honest with yourself and like i think he appreciated that level of respect to and like we know there's there's not enough time as it is on our journey and it's fraction like so

split up between different guys so it is it's like you're just you know allowing yourself to grow with other guys too like and that's why we're there it also sends exactly it sends the message that like they're not playing around y'all boys back at the house yeah gabby yeah i don't even know whatever one-liners there have to be so many things that gabby has said just throwing heat at these voice. Always. They deserve it. A lot of them do deserve it many times throughout the season so far from what we've seen.

Can you give us more behind the scenes of how that all actually went down that night when Jordan did go home? Yeah. I'm really glad you asked because, of course, it was crazy. No one ever expected that scenario. So we didn't have a plan for it. But as it was all happening, I was having a breakdown. I was crying.

And I did call up Gabby. And I think people saw a little scene of her because I woke her up from like a deep, deep sleep, take my call. But we definitely had a full conversation about it and just decided it was the best decision for both of us. Got it. So just to reiterate, you like even before you did not give Jordan the Rose, that was when you called her. You're like, hey, I'm not feeling it with this guy. Maybe you are. I'm thinking of sending him home.

Like, where are you at? That's kind of how it went down. I think it was more. Maybe not so blunt, but it wasn't, it was not, it was like, it's going into it. I feel like our one-on-ones were so early that our first week one-on-ones, she was, you know, Rachel was like, I'm going to take Jordan, is that okay with you? And I'm like, totally like, you know, I, I know he's here for you if you do that. And then same with Nate.

Like our early one-on-ones we knew were safe, like the other person wasn't going to get upset about because they didn't feel a connection with them. So it was kind of like she didn't even need to honestly check with me because one, I'm going to support her no matter what. And two is like, oh yeah, like wasn't even a thought. I can understand on the watchback why people were so confused. But I think our friendship like is so good and always comes first that it was just so unspoken. Like it wasn't even a thing. Were you guys able to have and maybe this is just me like something I would have wanted, but were you guys, did you ever have sleepovers together, like after a long night?

I mean, I would always be crawling in her bed early in the morning, but we run, like, different schedules for the most part. We would always, like, find each other in the morning and be like, oh, my God. What's going on? Yeah. I love that. You've got to find those moments when you're not miced up, when there's cameras not around where you can at least

have your girl chat and get some thoughts out and not have everyone, you know, listening in here. That would have, see, that's why I wish I would have. had it would have been nice to have two bachelets on one season together is for that time for that girl chat to like you know like we're no one's kind of trying to spin it in a way to make a storyline or a show you need that so that's what I've been loving about watching you two together it's you can it's very apparent when you're together so I can only imagine what it was like when no one else was around oh yeah we had so much shit to talk all the time yeah we did

we would always try and find each other off camera and they would like pull us back into our rooms. Yeah. Let us go. Oh my gosh. With the producers, I can just picture both of you guys. Is there, okay, bloopers,

whether they're shown or just funny things that happened or weird things that have happened, week one through week four, can you tell us something that happened that we have not seen? Even if it's off keyword. I don't know if they'll show it. They kind of teased it in one trailer,

but when on our one-on-one in people, Paris and Rachel and I got to meet up afterwards and Rachel was like we should pull a prank and I'm like okay and she so she was like let's tell the guys that we had such a good day together we think it would be best to switch on the night portion to see like if we're interested in the other one or just like switch it up and their faces dropped like they thought we were being so serious like not interested at all but Tina was like honestly that sounds like. like hell. And I'm like, okay, yeah. And we didn't say that

but before. It was so funny. Sneaky, Rachel. What are these men through the ringer? I love it. Yes, as they should. So before Michelle left for her season last year, she made

a comment to me and she's like, I'm not, you know, I'm not super emotional. I'm probably not going to cry. Like, that's just not how I am. And I told her, I was like, you're going to have a break point and it's probably going to come way sooner than you expect um i feel like weirdly enough week two is out like from other bad shots that i talked to week two is always that breaking point like you've gotten through night one you've gotten to know some of the guys the drama has already started

um when was that moment for both of you it's all mine no hide it own it um yeah but same like it came way sooner and that's what everyone said too they're like everyone has their breaking point because you go in being like this is such an opportunity I finally like have the power I get to date all these dudes and like they're here but it was like surprise we're gonna throw a wrench in that plan yeah and I think a lot of it is like you do put pressure on yourself and like it it's your whole experience in dating like your lifetime in dating all in one like you're um meeting guys that you don't have a connection with.

You're meeting guys that you really like that you're scared to have a connection with and the guys in the middle. So that's all emotional just one on one. And now it's unfolding one after another, literally minutes apart. Like that is stressful. And I feel like you just naturally put so much pressure on yourself. I know as women, we feel like we like to be chosen. I think everybody does.

And even I, you didn't always, not even despite all of like the dumb shit that was said to both. us like without that you don't necessarily always feel chosen like it takes a lot of effort on on the other side like um you know the contestant side to step up and also choose you and i think it's a little different when there's a male lead because i never felt like i wasn't choosing clayton or that he wasn't choosing me and i think it's it's maybe the like like woman being in a lead role. So for me, I'm like, this isn't as easy as I thought. It's not like all these guys are like grovelling to get to me. Even though I'm sure behind the scenes, like obviously they're really into Rachel and I. I think having two vaguely, it's complicated things and how vocal

they were. But they're also very timid. You know, like they're also afraid of rejection. So it just wasn't as like transparent as you'd hoped because there's lots of fear involved. And I think that is what. Preach, Gabby. My, my breakdown all too. hours. Okay, I feel like we need to talk about this because Bachelor Nation always is so hard on the female leads when I had a moment where I didn't feel chosen. Gabby, you, you're feeling that, Rachel, you feel that. And it's like you're in this position and you're uncomfortable because you haven't been chosen, right? You've been heartbroken. And it's really important for someone to choose you and put in the same effort. And then you get in this position where you are the

person that is supposed to be chosen and they're acting like boys or having side conversations or they don't step up or they're super like laid back and then you get emotional and you get frustrated because it's like why am I still feeling this familiar feeling right and then you cry and then the whole world sees it and then bachelor nation is like oh they're crying because they're not getting enough attention it's like no that's not the point it's really yeah and there's so little time the one second you get to see me you should be trying to like come over or have a conversation or like make a moment with either of us and it just felt like you know we would be so excited like gabby to go to the mansion she was so excited for

someone to pull her and have time and for them to not be stepping up it's kind of like i'm putting in all this effort for you guys so why is no one even attempting to to put an effort with us it's it's really hard and what i think you had that right or no did you have um well so michel i think it was a bit different for us too because because we were the only lead at the time where the sleepover date for me was horrible like yeah horrible did you have like that frat boy boys are being childish playing with each other but not i definitely noticed like there were times where and and i had to keep this in the back my mind is like these men are living together they are seeing each other 24-7 and they're only seeing me maybe a quarter of the time, right? And even when they do see me, it's all being pulled

in different directions with different people. So you really, like, you just said, Rachel, like, you don't get that much time in general. And so I had to kind of revert to, like, how did I feel as a contestant? Like, when it was R.E. season and I was one of 28 women, like, when he would come around, me just being a girl's girl, I'm like, I don't, and I'm not competitive in that way. Like, I'm not the one to like be the first to go up to somebody and like, you know, pull him and be like, this is my territory type thing. Like I was closer with the girl. So I kind of stood back. So in a way like I kind of understand at times that mentality of like you don't like you're living with these men. You don't want to rub them the wrong way. Like when you have that alone time, you're going to make the most of it. But like when there's 70,000 people around, I don't necessarily feel comfortable being like the loudest, boldest person in the room. But one. One. week two that goes on right your patient one is magical week two understand everyone's getting their

bachelor contestant legs underneath them right week three okay like you're still being you know flexible week four you're like what are we doing here you know what you have to adjust or not I feel this I feel like there's a time and a place like for both and like you said Michelle like we've all dated

guys who didn't make us feel chosen and I think having the two bacheloretts really it was a real experience and I think it was so emotional for a lot of the viewers because women have felt like that. It doesn't go away because you're on TV. Like, this is real dating and this is real responses to real scenarios. And it's like, damn, I thought this was my chance to escape, but it's not. But I'm like glad that they aired it in a way that they did because it was so real and wrong.

And that's why dating is so hard. Like our dating culture is just not easy to navigate. what I think two men for the most part historically are used to having women more so pursue them you know like and especially a lot of men who are good looking have this complex where it's like I don't have to work super hard because I know people will come to me and maybe and I don't know these men so I can't say that that was the case but that could have something to do with it again is like you get these 30 hot hunky men into a room and they're they don't know what to do because they've never had to you know work as hard. for it um yeah and and i have a question mainly for michel but you too also may have experienced this but maybe it was slightly different because there was two of you is did you ever feel like because there's a thousand guys and you know very minimal women when you are the lead when you were the bachelorette did you feel like at times the guys made it more so of a competition and like they really weren't into you for you but like the idea

of you and like the idea of being with the bachelor and like winning you know and like competing against these men did you feel like that oh rachel you take this one you take this one first i mean i think that's always the big thing going in i mean people are always like do they actually like the lead or is it because there is that competition aspect and it is a show and i don't know i think for us me and gabby individually i felt more just like I don't know when there was two of us it was like well do they really like me or is it because Gabby doesn't like them so now they're trying to like have self-preservation so I feel like it was a little bit different for us but I totally get what you mean by that yeah I think at the beginning

of ours the competition was more like who is who isn't going to get rejected by both or either and who is so then that their ego is trying to save themselves from the rejection because there's two of us they could go to to the other one and like vice versa but then i think also later when we both had our own journeys i think it alleviated the competition that they had a choice like they didn't just feel like they were had to pursue one because there's two of us so like i didn't i in my head that's what happened is once we went on our two different journeys like we both felt chosen us and like my guys and my guys to meet and then rachel and the same like parallel scenario because they did have a choice you know we had a good grasp of who

the other one was into like right off the back with like limo entrances and stuff i Jordan v's such a nice guy but not necessarily what i would go for so i was definitely full on like rachel like this is your man you know you explore i'm like it was never even a question of like oh gavvy did you like nah girl but we kind of there was a lot of unspoken like we just knew that about each other. Okay. Like if Nate, like if something went wrong on that date, like I, there's no way Nate could have come back to the house to date me.

It was kind of just like once you went on that one-on-one, you were kind of spoken for in a way. Yeah. Well, I'm so glad that you both said that because that was actually something that Michelle and I had talked about a couple of weeks ago because I, I was kind of shocked that Jordan just full on went home and I was like there had to have been a conversation that we just didn't see. So I'm so glad you cleared the air because, and I'm, and then.

I'm sure as the weeks and the dates went on, it definitely probably got much easier. But just that first one, I was like, this is tricky. Like, I wonder how they're going to navigate this so early on. But it makes sense. Could you imagine potentially, like, as a male prior, whatever, ego, getting double rejected? Like, now, how do you even do that? Nobody could. Someone sent me home, so I'm coming back for, like, you know what I mean?

Even just, like, the circumstances are like, just there's no way to win. Yeah. And unless he, I mean, because he was very vocal since night one that he was there for Rachel. So maybe had he not been all in said that, it would have been different. But he was very spoken, well, outspoken about where he was kind of, you know, leaning towards. But so a question for you too, obviously you both have such a great friendship. Have your families been able to meet and like have they been able to bond over this crazy journey too? Yeah. My dad and Gabby's aunt actually worked for the same company. So they instant message all day.

Instant message. Is that so around? The company. It's so cute. Probably like Slack, right? Yeah. That's adorable. I love that. And they're like planning vacations together. Yeah. We didn't know about that. Oh my gosh. That's so fun. Well, and one thing that, we always say is, you know, everyone's journey ends up different coming from a season. Some people don't end up with anyone. Some end up engaged for a little bit or like, you know, it all looks different. But I would say anyone that wants to go on a season, do it because it's so worthwhile with the friendships you make. And not only between YouTube, but now like this has bonded your families. And so like you just said, like these experiences that you can take together outside of the show are so much more. meaningful than some that you probably made you know in the two months that you were filming it's so special totally yeah it really is i love that i think one of my favorite things though about you too is just because even with so you talk about like that first night right which over you have

you have your sidekick you to speak with somebody when you go through this position as like a solo bachelorette you're standing out there by yourself that night one and like nobody's talking to you so the cameras are on you but you kind of like have conversations to yourself whether it's crickets but like to see you guys just kind of go back and forth with each other and actually just be able to relax to some extent and have fun and actually enjoy the experience even though you're nervous and laugh and everything and the men are awesome but I know that one of my favorite parts about being the bachelor was the clothes and like the things that you got to wear and people for people who don't know when you go into this role you literally with kerry

Fetman wonderful guy brings you in like these however many days and there's just a room full of racks and racks of clothes with everything. The Carrie Fetman special. Exactly. We love it. How was that? Like explain how you felt

just having those days where it's like a huge shopping spree with designer clothes and you feel like a princess. You try on everything and you legitimately go, go until you drop. It's amazing. It really felt surreal the first time I walked in there and it was just like the best experience ever like

I think Gabby and I could stay in there for hours and just look at close. Did you do, did you do fittings together? No, we did it separate and in the beginning because it's just too much for the whole season, you know, for both of us. We couldn't even get a fitting in. I think we each had like two for the season before we started traveling and then did fittings also on the road. So it's Carrie had his hands full with both of us. He's always a busy man, but he definitely, I mean, double the trouble this season. We got to go back to, I think it was week two, when, you know, the night that some of the guys pulled you, Rachel, aside to tell you what Chris had been talking about and how he, you know, was going to approach fantasy suites and basically having this ultimatum without speaking about it first with you both. it seemed like you both were very much on the same page the second you heard that you brought it to gabby's attention

you were like uh-uh this guy is not for us we're going to basically send him kick him to the curb send him home you know and so you it seemed like you both went into that conversation already knowing already having your mind made up but how did you both approach that was it that unspoken agreement where you're like yep this is what we got to do yeah i mean i think when i first heard it obviously I was shocked because it's only a couple days in, and that's already a conversation. Like, I just feel like we both couldn't fathom that that was even happening, let alone his, um, what he was saying that he would leave and everything on top of that. But I remember telling Gabby, like, let's just hear him out.

Let's hear what he has to say. And I think Gabby was you during the conversation. She was like, we're, we're going to walk you out. And I was like, a hundred percent totally behind her. It is kind of just like an unspoken thing, I feel like. Yeah, like, why would we want that guy? round. Like, you know, it just kind of was a no-brainer, I thought. What did you think when he came back, though?

We were like, I'm like, is this production? Can somebody, please keep this recording of Gabby's face right now. That was gold. In last night's episode two, Rachel, I think it was right after you sent Hayden home at the roast, like right before the row ceremony when you were walking through, I want to call it a tell, but the ship, which we should talk about, as you're walking through the ship, I don't know if you just, like, went down another hallway, but there's, like, all these security people, like, trying to get out of the shot that you're walking around.

And I'm like, this girl just needs some time alone. I literally don't remember. All I know is I was just, like, trying to book it back so I could just lay down. Yeah. And no one's meet anyone because I was just like, I can't, I can't do this. I just, the Hayden thing, that's a whole. Oh, oh, wait, can we get into the Hayden thing? So, okay, this is something that I always question with every contestant on every season.

We saw it last year in Paradise. We're seeing it now. So when you confronted Hayden about what Meatball told you he was saying, he basically denied everything, right? Like, he was like, I never said that. That wasn't me. That wasn't my attentions. You then sent him home. But for us viewers, we're seeing these little sprinklings of what he was saying about you

girls and what you know kind of comparing you to his exes and we don't even need to go into all the dirty details but he's denying everything but it's all on footage so did you at any point like call that out and say like it's all going to air at some point i mean i don't even think at this point i didn't even know to like a couple days ago that it was caught on footage but hayden was already on such thin ice especially now me looking back and seeing how the conversation actually went. The fact that he even got the benefit of the doubt is just like, I feel so horrible that that even happened. Like, he should have been done right then and there. But then to add on all the things that he also said, it's just like actually horrific that someone would even talk like that

to Gabby about us in general. I love to say. Well, and that was another thing too. For you, Gabby, as he was saying, he's like, I was just reiterating what Gabby had said. And she shouldn't say these things if she doesn't feel it or want somebody else to bring it up. And I was like, I just like his thought process of like reiterating anything somebody would say like whether it's negative for somebody he was potentially trying to date just is not okay. Yeah. So now I don't think I ever called myself rough around the edges maybe in like a joking form. But it was also like that is definitely what hit.

But even the way the conversation moved is at first he was like, you know, reflecting on my values. Like you don't have values. like you don't even know me and because of my value and because you're rough around the edges I am not interested in you it's like that that was the big takeaway from Jacob Hayden versus a Tyler because that all happened right you know one after another but Tyler was still respectful he was like you know I have a better connection with Rachel which obviously there's going to be guys you know that are here for one or the other and he was so nice about it and I was supportive and I'm like yeah you should tell her if you haven't already because at that point I knew Rachel was like

really into Tyler. But then the way the other guys did it was like, this isn't coming from like a genuine place. You're trying to knock me down because something about me is making you feel insecure. And that's what the audience saw too. But even now, both of them have apologized. And it's like it's kind of upsetting that you need like a public response to make you understand what you did wrong.

Because in the moment when Becca, you're saying like, oh, did you tell Hayden like we're going to see it watch back i had that conversation with jacob because he wasn't sorry in the like when he went home at that rose ceremony we fought and he was like you disrespected me and i would do it again and again and i was like okay and he was like i didn't say those things but you're smoking comment i called him out and he's like i never said that and then he told me to play back yeah he told me he was like play back the camera and i'm like oh we're gonna play him back This men tell all is about to be heated. Michelle and I have to be at this mental all because I can't wait.

Well, okay, so obviously, because Gabby, you just said this. Since last week, the men came out, you know, when that was all first airing in the first moments and they apologized. But now fast forward to a week later, we still have seen Hayden, unfortunately, on our screen, still saw him say terrible things about Bowdo. of you, even though he sent out this apology last week, like, where do you stand in terms of his apology now? Because I feel like if I was you, I would just wash it down the drain and be like, this is all BS to try and fix a public image. He's not, I don't feel like he actually

means it. I apologize on social media for one. Like, I wouldn't even see these if people weren't like sending them to me. And you weren't even sorry in the moment. Like, you don't actually know what you're apologizing for because they're still defending their actions days later. after it happened, which we have both Hayden and Jacob defending themselves saying they're especially not sorry. And then now months later, it's like, change, except that all Bachelor nation is like coming for you. But you can't. And have you been reached out to or no? No. They haven't apologized to either. That's my issue with this thing. Like, that's my issue is when people apologize to the public, but you don't apologize to the person that you hurt. Yeah. Like, I cannot. I cannot

Preach, Michelle, go off. Hopefully, put the puzzle pieces together. But like, yeah, but seriously, like, that's my issue with this. And it doesn't matter if it's a TV show. It does not matter if it is Instagram, social media, whatever it is. If you are going to apologize to the public, you're apologizing, and solely for the public, you're apologizing for your reputation. You don't apologize to the person that you actually do it to the person.

If you're truly sorry, do it to the person. I just don't understand these men sometimes. Exactly. I really hope Michelle and I will be able to be with you both around the mental all time, not only because it's going to be so damn entertaining. But I could spend more time with both of you drinking wine, shooting the shit, catching up, talking about everything. So I truly hope that we can all get together in person soon. But unfortunately, the time has come where we have one more thing before we have to let you both go because I know how busy you are. And that is our game. So basically this game. It's very straightforward. It's called Gabby or Rachel. So we're going to ask you a series of questions, and you'll just answer with who you think fits it best. Okay?

So, Michelle, would you like to take it away? Who takes longer to get ready? Three, two, one. Rachel. Okay, okay. Okay. Okay. Who is more forgetful?

Three, two, one. Me. Rachel. Gabby. who is better at making toasts three two one rachel who is the better cook

three two one who takes more selfies three two one i was going to say you it's a tie who who tells better jokes Three, two, one.

Yeah, me. Of course. It's a little less reserved. No filter. Who is more likely to trip walking up the stairs? Three, two, one. Don't. Okay, Rachel, we saw you eat shit last year on the bloopers.

Have, did either of y'all trip this season? No. no on the second night or first it was the first night I tripped over my dress giving Mario the first

impression rose that's talent though if it only happened once yeah I don't have it open again okay she was falling for him yeah oh who is messier

three two one get me okay I feel like this we're messy in different ways totally yeah wait like is rachel like messy like messy room and then gabby you feel like you're messy like social media like mess like what comes out of your mouth or messy how so

probably that definitely like rachel's just such a hopeless romantic so i feel like she's like just like just i can't i don't want to give any i don't want to speak emotion no it's not a bad thing it's like it's absolutely no it's really fun to like keep up with or like every day I think we're both like change in our minds like every day like okay okay yeah but you do kind of remind me you guys kind of remind and I actually love this is like if I had a partner on or like if we had a couple on you guys know each other so well that I feel like you're at that level but it's just because we're such close friends and I'm putting myself in this category though I don't know you. But I love this.

It's like the, um, it's kind of like the newly met game, except the not newly met, you know? Yes. Who is the bigger baby when they are sick? Three, two, one. Probably me. Were you ever sick? Not this season. Yeah.

Last season I don't really sick. No. All right. Okay. Before we get into our roses and thorns, I want you. both to give us a word or phrase that sums up your entire journeys. Oh. Um, I don't know.

Yeah, crazy. Crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. Double the trouble. Yeah. Double the drama. Double the love.

yeah emotional I'm kind of good oh wait I do have one more question I'm sorry but I need to ask this because obviously there's been so many opinions

about having two bachelorets how would you feel or would you like to see two bachelor leads in one season talk about this now that like we're starting to get this question again I think Rachel and I have such a

good friendship and so much respect for each other that we were able to navigate it like pretty well and nothing seamless but at least with respect to where nobody like really got their feelings hurt or felt betrayed by the other one um i don't think men would like average typical men if you could find too mature enough to be in the role like maybe but i think there would be more competition and like less communication and less respect. So I don't know. I feel like they would have to be as close as me and Gabby are to make it work. You have to like really love and respect that person because for both of us, it wasn't even just about like our individual happiness. We were always thinking about the others as well. So you would have to

find two male leads who really cared enough to want both. Or two male leads that didn't care enough to make it a messy season. I was going to say, like, it doesn't necessarily have to be successful, but, like, the females, the women were done being the giddy pigs, you know, back-to-back seasons, whatever it was, with two women together, y'all are making it work. Let's get two men in there and see if they have, you know, emotional intelligence to figure it. It would crash and burn, but good TV.

Even it out. Yeah. Okay, now for real, we actually have to let you go, but not before you share your rose and thorn so michel do you want to start it off to make it easy okay so for a rose and thorn you are going to tell us up until episode four what has been your rose and what has been your thorn and so i will go first with my rose has honestly been watching you two and your friendship unravel and just every just having bachelor nation be able to watch that and you're so different, but you're also connected in such a special way that I could not imagine to other people

that are better to handle this the first time around because y'all are doing phenomenal. It's just, it truly is amazing and you're doing a lot of, a lot of wonderful things. My thorn would probably have to be just continuing to see men and not, like, not have emotional intelligence as they're working through this, aka like rough around the edges and, you know. Smoking hot. Yeah. Smoking hot. Who said smoke show? Someone said

smoke show on one season before. Wasn't that an issue with Tasha? Yeah, we don't need to talk about. Oh, God. Exactly. Why are we still dealing with this? You know what I mean? Yeah, I get it. Becca, take it away. I'll go next. Oh, gosh. Well, I don't want to copy you, but I would say that's probably my rose too. But I'm going to go with something a little different and I'm going to say it's

Grandpa John because I just love Grandpa John so much. Oh my God. He's at physical therapy or else he could come on this still. Gosh, damn it, Gabby. Don't come back on the podcast without Grandpa John next time. Did you know he's going to be there, Gabby? Did you have any idea? I found out the day before. I know. I'm like my grandpa's here. It's honestly a whole story in itself, but it's for another time. He is the gift that keeps on giving and I hope we have not unwrapped. of Grandpa John in the season yet. I want to see more of him. Um, he's going to be my rose and then my Thorne. Yeah, just what Michelle said. I think just, well, actually, I'll play off of that point and add to it and just say like, the men have just said some stupid shit this season. They've handled

things terribly. And I think just the fact that they've tried to give public apologies, even though, you know, even after those apologies were tweeted or posted, they still have said terrible things. It just seems very half ass and fake. And so that's going to be my thorn so far. So Rachel, you take it away next. My rose obviously is just having Gabby there, truly even watching it back. I just could not imagine doing any of it without her. And the Thorne will probably watching like everything that they said to her, her like going through her own struggles for me watching it. I'm just, like, bawling my eyes at watching Gabby's struggle. But just, I would say all of episode three and just how hard that was for both of us,

that was definitely the hardest part. I feel like one of the hardest parts in the journey was all those rejections and those men. Yeah. All right, Gabby, you're up. Similar. I'm going to give a specific for my rose. My favorite is in episode four when Rachel and I get to reconvene after our dates in Paris. Like we had been begging for a double date and they were like, okay, we'll try, we'll try.

And then it finally happened. It was like literally so fun. I actually felt like I was back in high school just to be able to see Rachel so happy and like to be able to. I think we were both really feeling it in that moment. So to be able to see each other and like be happy for one another. And then my thorn was all of episode three. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Episode three, hard week. Yeah. like, you know, let's move on. Just bypass that week. You both were so much fun having on today. Thank you. Like I said, I know that you're both so incredibly busy and you've been doing press like crazy.

So I hope that you can find some time in these next few weeks to just relax and chill before mental all and the finale's and the ending of your seasons. Michelle and I have no idea what happens, but we can't wait to keep watching you both and supporting you from afar. and we're always here if you need anything, advice, questions, wine, girl chat, shit talking, whatever you need, please let us know. We are here. And we'll get you that Bachelor at Bible. Yeah, please. You do it. Never too late. I might have to rewrite it. Republish it in 2022. Take it to, like, King Ghost copies or something. Thankfully, I have pictures of all of the pages, so I know exactly what it was word for word that we might just have to republish it a little bit.

Thank you. Thank you both so much. Thanks for having you. We'll see you soon. Bye guys. Michelle, I loved this little bachelor at Ploose. That was such a fun episode. I love them. Like, they just make me smile and it's just so much fun watching them. They're just so genuine. They're so different. And I really hope this works out. Yeah. They'll be fine either way. You know, and what I love too is like their roses were for each other. And like that just goes to show how. how special and like crazy unique this journey is for anyone. But the fact that like they found love and friendship with each other is so special. I mean, I really can't wait to have them on again. I'm sure we'll have them on around the finale time.

Maybe with partners. I don't even need partners there because I'd love having those two together. So we'll see. I mean, it's a minefield to navigate. This is really hard to navigate, but they're doing such a good. job with it. They really are. And it's special that they have each other to lean on. So a huge thank you to Rachel and Gabby for joining us today. Of course, thank you, Michelle, for being here. I love doing this with you. And it wouldn't be the same without you. And even bigger thanks to

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