Bachelor Happy Hour - Grab the Rose By the Thorns!

Episode Date: February 18, 2025

Today on Happy Hour we are diving into last night’s rollercoaster episode of The Bachelor! Joe and Serena kick it off by discussing the recent Bachelorette news before dishing on the first one on one of the episode: Dina! Is there a fiery connection with our icy queen? We also get into the sticky drama between Rose and Carolina; who was truly in the wrong? Would Rose still be here if Carolina never told Grant? And with just one episode left before hometowns, Joe and Serena speculate on who they think will be Grant’s final 4. Dynamics are shifting; who’s falling behind and who’s making their way to Grant’s heart? Tune in now to hear all of this and more, and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And we are here with another episode. We are going to be recapping episode four. And then our guest later on in the week is Syrophina. But before we get into the recap, we have to address the news that The Bachelorette is on pause. yes and we spoke with our producer who works with the show and it's true it's on pause they are hopeful that it's coming back but we like to think that it's coming back but we don't know for sure yeah we know that at this time the show's on pause we know it you know it does kind of feel like what happened with paradise last year where they took the year off it didn't air they didn't film and this year

they're picking back up and we're going to have a 20, 25 season. And I think there's an additional level of excitement around Paradise this year because there was that gap year. And we know that Jen's finale was kind of a dumpster fire. There was a lot of things going on with that season, you know, both during airing and for months after. So maybe a little pause and a refresh is going to be a good thing. Yeah.

I mean, that's the sugar cold. it way to say it i disagree with you i i don't like that it's that it's on pause and i i like watching this show looking for who's going to end up with the lead and who is going to be our next lead uh so i find that to be disappointing personally yeah i like if i yeah i think it's a i think it's a bummer like all around um yeah it'll be interesting watching the show not really speculating I mean, if the show comes back, who's to say that one of these girls couldn't still one day be The Bachelorette, but the odds are a lot lower. Yeah, and the difference with pausing Paradise is you add a lot more players to the game

by pausing it because you add more seasons. You're not doing that with like. Right. Like with Paradise, there's just a bigger contestant pool to choose from when casting if you take a pause. but I think that maybe just additional time is needed whether it be to cast new men to cast a new lead

it definitely feels like a somber topic talking about this pause I think it came as a shock to everyone it definitely came as a shock to us and we'll see what happens yeah I mean all we could do is wait and see but as of now paradise is coming back so that will be the next show

Yes. We'll finish off grant season and then we'll be looking forward to Paradise. And we will also, just like you guys are, stay tuned to find out what's going to happen with The Bachelorette and when we can hopefully expect it to be back on our screens. All right. Let's get into episode four. We are in Madrid and we have 10 women left. It's going pretty quick. I know. It's going really quick. So how do you feel? deal about Madrid. I mean, I love Madrid as a city. I've been there twice, been pickpocketed there once. But I did catch the guy. So that's, that's good. Thank God. Because he had, he had my phone in his hand. Yeah, that was intense. It seems like these guys had a way more relaxing first day in Madrid than we did, specifically Dina, who got the one-on-one date. Yes, Dina gets the first one-on-one date. The girls all meet Grant for, or the girls are having Sangria. Grant sits down

as Dina for the date. I like the show going to Spain. I feel like Spain's like the more or the most romantic city in Europe. Really? You're Italian. You don't feel like it's Italy?

I actually, no, I kind of think it's, to me, Spain is just a little more. I guess it depends where you are. But like if you compare the like the bigger cities like Florence and Rome to Barcelona and Madrid, I actually do find those cities to be a little more romantic.

Okay, well, love that for you. So, Grant sits down, all the girls are having San Gria, very romantic. He asked Dina on the one-on-one date, which they did have a connection when they went on the group date with the three women. I was a little shocked to see her get the first date in Spain.

But it's also a lot of, very i think it's a very important date to get the week for one-on-one i feel like is important it's like the first week they're traveling you know the relationships are really starting to develop and if you're someone that has started to get momentum going like this can be a perfect time to take a relationship to the next level i was only surprised about dina getting it and i guess this applies to seraphina as well is they both were recipients of that second group date last week where they got that special extra time because of what happened with Beverly. So I was surprised that he immediately went for both of them as well because, you know, Latia got that night

portion. I don't know. It was very telling to me that like he clearly picked those three to go on the dog date because he has really strong feelings for them. Because I actually thought that this was maybe going to be a week for like Zoe or Caroline to get a one-on-one. Only because they haven't gotten that extra time. Yeah. What is your opinion of Dina? I really like her. I think she just seems really normal and mature and down to earth.

Yeah, I agree. I think those, the people that are very normal and mature and have their shit together don't always make for the most entertaining television because it's reality TV and And the people that are a little more eccentric tend to be the ones they get a little more screen time and the ones that actually are making more television. But for a partner, a life partner, I think like Dina checks the box. Yes, I agree. And she kind of touches on her personality, which is that she has been called a bit of an ice queen. She was kind of raised with this understanding of like feelings make you weak.

I like what she said, though. She said, the right man will make you feel safe enough to get those feelings out of you. But she's obviously not someone that is openly expressive about her emotions or, like, emotes outward very easily. She definitely has, like, a drier personality. You know what's the fastest way to get that out of her? Playing soccer with a bunch of little kids. Yeah, it was so random. Let's show Dina's softer side.

But no, I, listen, I don't, I don't judge. genuine for basically anything but like for being someone that like doesn't want to show her feelings and especially doesn't really want to show them on on reality TV like I get it like I was that person yeah it's very relatable um she's from she's from Chicago she's one of 11 yeah whoa big family she's an attorney so that's not like a that's a that's a tough road I'm assuming it's even tougher for um a woman I'm Jamil Hill host of the sports and Politics Podcasts, Politics. And on the latest episode of politics, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries joins me for a

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The first night was so overwhelming, and you don't know who's next to you. And we didn't know what to expect in the morning. Nobody tells you anything. Listen to shock incarceration on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. so if she's a little bit of an ice queen like i get it yeah i mean her her explaining her history definitely gives more insight into her and her personality um but i actually thought this date was some of the most meaningful conversations surrounding like relationship give and take sacrifice that i've seen on the show like maybe period or at least in a

while. I thought she was asking really thoughtful questions. Are we at the night portion? Yeah. Well, the day portion, they talk about the fact that they're both givers and Dina kind of restructures grants. I'm going to stop you there. Nobody will ever go on this show and be like, I'm not a giver. I'm actually a taker. I think there's been girls on the show that are like, I want to be with someone that is like a provider. Oh, you know, yeah, I take that back. You're right.

And it seems like Dina's like, look, I'm looking for more of a give and take equal partnership than I am for someone to like fully step into the caretaker role. Yeah, you're right. I agree. But she seems like she's someone that really knows herself. Like she really knows who she is as a person, what she brings to the table, what she is like in a relationship. And yeah, I thought the way they connected and their conversation was really cool and really nice. Yeah, I think Grant really likes her. They make sense to me.

I don't know if I feel the most, like, sexual chemistry between them, but there's definitely a good vibe going. Yeah, I think I could definitely get there. I think it's still pretty early, too. I mean, yeah, they're both very attractive people, so it's not that hard. And I think, like, sexual chemistry is sometimes difficult when there's cameras in front of your face. That's very true. So, yeah, I think I could definitely get there. And I think he really likes her.

and that's kind of what like matters at this point in the show. Yeah. So I think she'll be around for a while. And then we we get back to the rest of the girls and Carolina is annoyed. Carolina's annoyed. She does say, you know, I know I can't complain because I've had a one-on-one, but she expresses that she's having a hard time seeing his other connections. And the girls are not sympathetic to her.

No. They're not feeling it. And I feel like this is just kind of teeing up for the drama that we're going to see. later in the episode. But yeah, we find out that, you know, Sarah Feina's going to be getting the one-on-one later and the rest of the girls are going on the group date. I will say, like, agree or disagree with Carolina.

You need Carolina on the show. Yeah, because if the show was all Dina's, it would just go way too smooth. And it would just, you know, you need someone that is spicing things up and creating conflict and adversity in the house. And I get that the other girls are annoyed with Carolina because she got the time they didn't. But she also has the right to feel the way she wants to feel.

And if she's bummed out because she got one date a couple weeks ago and it seems like their connection really isn't going anywhere from there, she's allowed to be like, oh, this sucks. my thing with carolina we can get into this more later when everything kind of unfolds with her is what she's feeling is totally valid and from my experience on the show very normal for people that get these early one-on-one dates and develop these quick connections and then are kind of left with very very little time to continue building what you started so i really actually get where she's coming from especially someone who had you know i had a week two one-on-one but she's just sharing it with the wrong people because the girls that haven't had those one-on-ones yet are clearly feeling disheartened and frustrated about it which I also understand

yeah I get that okay so we have the group date they're on donkeys it's actually hilarious I was like Carolina's donkey is like literally a pay producer right now just hanging like way back from the rest of the group like of everyone to get that donkey of course it was her and she's funny she's funny on this like watching this group date you like you're you're starting to like root for carolina no she's like cracking me up like her interviews she's hilarious so i'm also like i'm also like frustrated because i'm like you're clearly very funny and you're beautiful and you have like a great personality but we're just seeing like so much she's having such a hard time and it's just like god like that puzzle piece for her in this journey is just like not fitting you know what i

mean yeah yeah um the bull fight they're practicing for the bull fight we see letia packs him like a like the it wasn't i wouldn't even consider it a kiss it was a pack and then like we kind we see the other girls like roll their eyes if they're rolling their eyes at that or not i don't know but i mean i would assume yeah they are yeah um but like good for her the mechanical bowl, which honestly I loved. I was glad that they threw that in. I was like, are we going to have to sit and watch these girls, like, run around and try to, like, wrangle animals or, like, play with bulls?

The fact that they brought a mechanical bowl, I was like, this is super fun, and I'm into it. So, bullshit are not for Zoe copying Alex's bull ride. No, not bullshit. Okay. That's just you, the person that goes last has the most, like, has the best situation. If I watch Alex face down ass up, stay on for 30 seconds, I would be an idiot to go on and do the exact same thing

that girl number one did when she fell off after six seconds. I agree. I agree. And Zoe, I would have bet big money. Zoe was going to win this, but she wins. She's just so competitive.

There's like, she's really hard to not bet on on these group dates. She gets the extra time. It's pretty quick. We don't see much of it. Yeah, I was going to say it wasn't really, whatever the extra time.

I feel like Alex were not seeing much of her connection with Gray anymore. We're not seeing them chat very much. No. We're not, we're not getting a lot since that first impression rose. First impression rose and first one-on-one date. Who was, Joey was the last bachelor. I feel like there was someone out. There's, there's been a few first impression rose people that once they like, once they just like, they just fall off.

I mean, Abigail on my season, never. got a one-on-one date she got the first impression rose but yeah it's kind of like one one or the other I feel like you either get the first impression rose and unfortunately it just like doesn't pan out or it's the opposite and they go really really far but we're seeing like zero interaction from well that's the thing we're not even seeing like we're seeing more of like grant and parisa I would say on a weekly basis than we are of him and Alex who ends up going home at the end of this episode which I was a little a little surprised by because the night portion of the bull date Grant goes out of his way to do something nice for Preeza.

Yeah. Which he hasn't done for anyone. No, we haven't seen him do a lot of that. I mean, maybe he has been doing it and it just hasn't been shown. But I mean, we saw they did the Chubby Bunny with the Rice Krispy Squares last week on the group date. And then he brought her the rock on this one. If I'm Preeza, I'm like, keep your rock. Don't be doing sweet things for me if I'm probably going home this week.

Well, it seems like Grant, it's more of a friend zone at this point because he seems to like really find her entertaining and like funny. Yes. And they may just not have that. They just have more best friend vibes. Yeah. Zoe has a conversation where she talks about like Zoe's had a tough life. This conversation was so heartbreaking to me to hear her talk. And I mean, she did talk about it on the podcast, but just to see her pain and opening up about her experience being adopted, being raised in a predominantly white community in the South and being made to feel like she wasn't beautiful or desirable because she's a black woman while she was growing up.

I mean, that's a real experience for a lot of people, but it must have just felt so isolating. And being black is so beautiful. And I just, honestly, my heart broke for her. And she's, I thought it was really brave of her to open up about that. because I'm sure it's not an easy thing to talk about. Yeah, and Grant also, like, he can relate and he seems to really like Zoe, which is, which is, which is good, which is all Zoe needs. You know what? Also, Zoe in the last week or two has pulled herself out of the drama.

She was doing a lot. She was doing a lot right up front that she didn't necessarily need to be doing. And she's taken a step back. Zoe's doing it good for a competitive person, for a very competitive person. Zoe's doing a good job. Yes, of like kind of holding back that like probably I'm sure she still feels the urge to like be doing more frankly because she's so competitive. Yeah.

And I could see like like like yeah, she's doing a good job. So yeah. She seems to be like on at least like okay terms with the girls now. Yeah, because if you if you watch the first. I want this for her, you know. If you watch the first two episodes you I would say most people would be under the impression that Zoe is locked in. on the drama, the whole time.

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I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer, and my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear.

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Excuse me. Is once someone picks up the shovel, they can't stop digging. Or like, they can't take their foot off the gas. So for Zoe to like hit the gas so hard from the beginning and then realize like maybe this isn't working as well as I hoped and like my camaraderie with the girls is at risk. I don't know if it was helping necessarily her relationship with Grant at the time. I think she did the more strategic thing to chill out a little. And I think it's helped her relationship with Grant and I see her going like I actually really thought she was going. going to get a one-on-one this week. I won't be surprised if she gets it next week.

Okay. So then we see Carolina again. She's really like, I'm watching this like she just is having a really hard time with the process of the way this show works. Yeah. She's having a hard time with the show structure. And then Juliana calls her out. They go outside. They have a weird conversation. Yeah. I don't know if it was just really chopped up or if if Julianna maybe just wasn't being as direct in her approach with Carolina as she was in her interviews because I feel like based on her interviews it was very clear what her problems were right but then when they sat down to the conversation I was like what's going on here what is the problem what's the problem the problem is for for my understanding yes the problem is

carolina got a one-on-one date since the one-on-one date she has kind of been negative and somewhat complaining about the fact that she hasn't spent enough time with grant but the other girls in the house are like we'd even get a one-on-one time so we don't want to hear you that's that's the argument right that's what the problem is yes that is the problem from my understanding as well And Juliana basically just feels unsettled by her comments. We see Latia and Rose both say that she's been really, really negative when everyone else is trying to be positive. And yeah, it's just, I think what Juliana was hoping to gain from the conversation was just Carolina to have a little bit more understanding of how her words and comments are impacting the rest of the group's energy. and also they are trying to be positive.

And when Carolina, someone who's had a one-on-one date, is being so vocal about her concerns and, you know, it sounds like she's being very negative. It's hard for them to receive that and support her and feel sympathy for her when they haven't had these one-on-one dates. I just don't know if the communication between the two of them ever really landed. It just felt like they were kind of on two different pages during the conversation. It also felt like Carolina,

was pretty defensive and Juliana wasn't being totally clear with like hey this is the problem this is like the solution I'm hoping we can come to it kind of felt like more of like she was trying to bring

awareness to something and Carolina was like well what's your question I don't know I'm kind of just like recapping the conversation now in a terrible way okay so yeah the conversation just didn't really go well for either of It was just a weird conversation.

Yeah. Grant walks in. This is pretty funny because it's awkward. Oh my gosh. It was like the worst time to send him in. They're like in the middle of all fighting. The temperature in the room is very negative. And Carolina's crying.

Grant kind of picks up on it. Are you okay? And then he's like, okay, I have to stop and now check on Carolina. Now the other girls are like, here we go again. Yeah, like he has to. Like he walked in. Like I get, I get they're annoyed because she's gotten a lot of special time from Grant. But also like he's sitting there and she's stopping the corner.

he has to pull her aside it would be so awkward if he just moved on and pretended he didn't see her sobbing yeah so they have a conversation and then grants just kind of you could tell he's like in his head hold the rose um yeah that was the right move it was who are you going to give the rose to at this point you don't even know what's going on i think it was a fun group date unfortunately it just really didn't end well um but that you know that happens and then we go to the seraphina one-on-one date which I really like Serafina I think she's I think she's great

I think they're really good together um bungee jumping in the rain she seemed to be more down than he was um yeah he was literally freaking out he was like sign of death he was being really funny death certificate yeah I mean I wouldn't have wanted to do that it seemed seemed horrible I wouldn't want to do that either and honestly if you were the lead and I was on that date with you

I'd be like I won't think less of you If you tell production that we're going to pass on this activity, if anything, I'm going to be really happy because I don't want to jump off this bridge. Yeah, yeah. But I do think situations and dates that are a little more high stakes like bring two people closer together, which I do feel like I saw that with them. It seemed, he seemed to be very comfortable with her. Yeah, well, she was bringing a lot of positive. energy to the date too um and then we you know jumping to like the night portion which like personally i think people are going to really like seraphina especially after this after this when um she was like

he's like yeah well you know when i kiss you she's like oh that's just because my mom's watching yeah i thought that was a good moment he's like don't it's not that deep i just don't want my mom see me kissing you yeah um and he was like laughing and i think i like them both together like i i think she's going pretty far yeah she said that she's falling in love with him he said he could see himself falling in love with her and we're going to talk to her more about it in our interview with her this week yeah out of the two out of the two that had dates who do you think has a stronger connection seraphina or that's hard i actually feel like they're kind of tied for me right now i feel like they're actually on the same level who do you think uh i

I think Serafina. Yeah? Yeah. But I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I think I'll go Dina just to play devil's advocate. And I actually think that their connection is a little bit underrated right now.

Yeah. Okay. So then we go, let's go just go back to the house. Cocktail party. Cocktail party. Juliana and Grand Haven a Convo. The hair, Juliana, really expresses how she feels much more. Yes.

She comes out very clear and concise. I don't know if she was just much less nervous than in her conversation with Carolina, but she articulated herself very well. She basically says coming back from the 101, Carolina was ungrateful, had nothing but negative things to say about the date. And to me, Carolina's behavior kind of seems like it's starting to come across like it's maybe a protective measure. Like she went on this date. She had a great connection.

She really liked him. And she had his undivided attention and opened up about her experience with epilepsy and all things and now she's kind of watching him give his time to all these other women and maybe it's creating some insecurities and instead of I would say she's expressing that she's having a hard time and she does definitely go into it but I feel like maybe her negativity and her criticism and concerns about this process come for her just being like I really like this guy and I'm feeling scared that I'm going to get hurt well it's unfortunate because then her and grant have a conversation and he's a little he seems to now be a little annoyed and it just

For Carolina, this is, unless she's going to do something to turn it around, it really just seems like it's kind of the beginning to the end. Yeah, a little bit because Grant basically says like it hurts to hear that you're going to the other women and saying all these negative things about our time together. And it's totally valid that she has concerns at this point, which I agree with. I mean, you know, it's a short process. It's very fast. It's normal to, you know, have some doubts and concerns. But I think he's 100% right by saying you should be coming to me and we should be working through those things together versus you. You know, because to him it probably just sounds like she's talking shit about him constantly in the house.

Yeah. Right? Yeah, yeah, definitely. And then we see, we see Rose send herself home, you know, before she sends herself home, she kind of has a little argument with Carolina where she says, like, you backstab me, which I don't know. like i i like rose um but i think it was probably the right decision for her to leave i don't really see the backstabbing aspect of it only because like you you she said while you were dancing with him carolina he was thinking of me that information is kind of like you know that is going to be hard for her to keep that to herself yeah like that's just like

I mean, because she's going to want to call the guy out that she's dating to be like, hey, you were thinking to her when I was dancing with you? And then you also went and told her about it kind of thing, which is, yeah, I don't know. Like, I think Rose obviously felt like they were having a private conversation and that everything that was said would remain between the two of them. But that piece of information, information, I can totally understand why Carolina's like, I have to confront him about this because it's going to weigh on me

and I want to get to the bottom of if he said this to you and if he did I don't know if I want to be with this person. Yeah, I think Rose just made it. So she was in a hard position. I just think Rose made a mistake and just said too much. Yeah.

She just shouldn't have shared that. That was the one thing she should. I feel bad for her because it's like she obviously slipped up. She said something she shouldn't but unfortunately that has resulted in kind of like, you know it unraveled and it's going to

basically end her time on the show and I think Grant really liked Rose and I think if Rose didn't get if Rose never had that conversation with Carolina I would bet that she would still be here yeah no I think so too so that was just that's unfortunate it is unfortunate so she goes home

and you know it's interesting we see Latia chime in on the Carolina stuff yeah okay so I was gonna I was gonna make a point about that because Latia in my mind I feel like almost every season we get someone who's that narrates who is not involved in the drama but they're narrating it in their interviews kind of like from their perspective and they're trustworthy like I don't know Latia no but we're made to feel like we can trust her but I feel I watch the show and I trust what Latia is saying yes right or wrong I don't know

but that's just how I feel when I watch it. And Latia seems to really be fed up with the Carolina shit. Yeah, she basically says she's pissed. It's been the Carolina show. She says the way she has chosen to further her relationship with Grant is at the expense of others and it feels really unfair, which is a strong statement to make. And I would say, God, I want to know what the vibe. Like what is going on in this house off camera?

Like I just feel like it's kind of a shit show in there. and there's like way more that we're not seeing. And I feel that more this season than I usually do. Well, maybe when they take a break from doing The Bachelorette, they will realize they need to start filming more shit that goes on in the house. Yeah, like get me some, get me some wall camera footage. Like, get me some behind the scenes. Like, I just feel like they're, we're seeing a lot.

But these women are really fed up with Carolina. And you can tell. and they're being vocal about it amongst themselves and to Graham. To the point where now I'm starting to feel a little bad for Carolina because I don't know what's really going on because it's like like she said, like I'm allowed to feel the way I feel. Totally. But my advice to her would be pull someone that's been on a one-on-one date

that's maybe able to share your feelings and relate to what you're going through because they've also been in your shoes, you know, like find. the other girls that have had a lot of time so you're not venting to the girls who are desiring what you have or like go find a producer you know go vent to a producer i just think she's not picking the right moments and i think she's a really emotional person and a very expressive person and it's unfortunately hindering her relationships in the house she did have a really nice moment with dina where dina basically just said like kind of summed up what it seems like Carolina has been feeling and really connected with her.

But then we see in the teaser, Dina and Carolina are going at it. So like Dina, who's extending a helping hand to Caroline in this episode by next week. It seems like she's fed up with her too. Well, we'll see. We will see. I don't know. And then so Poreza, who is very likable. And Natalie, who comes across like very sweet.

Like you feel bad when she goes home. They both go home. But it's like that time in the show where, you know, know the most of the people that are going home you have grown to like and yeah and at the end of the day I feel bad for both of them but I don't think as much as I was maybe a little surprised I don't think I would have been predicting I would see either of those two in the final four based on what we've seen from the show so far so you know sad to see them go but we're flying through the season you know there's only so much time yeah um okay that that is it with the recap

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