Bachelor Happy Hour - Happy Birthday, Lace!

Episode Date: September 28, 2022

The beaches of “Paradise” are finally open, and to celebrate, Becca and Michelle are talking with everyone’s favorite birthday girl, Lace! In her conversation with Becca and Michelle, Lace discusses her first impressions of all the guys, how grateful she was to Shanae for pulling her out of her funk, and how her time away from Bachelor Nation has set her up for her best summer yet.  Plus, Becca and Michelle share their thoughts on our new Bachelor Zach and predict what his season will have in store! Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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to talk about this crazy premiere episode of Bachelor in Paradise. And I honestly cannot believe that we're already back on this beach. I must say, though, watching this, I am. I'm so glad. I am watching it from my couch at home with Tommy and not actually on the beach once again. I'm telling you, Becca, I cannot believe. Are we really doing this? Are we really? Are we really doing this? Like the sand, sandy beaches of paradise, they're back open. Are you ready to go? I'm still deciding. I don't know. Me too. Well, I have to say I am a little under the weather. I'm not feeling the hottest right now, which is why my voice sounds like a 14-year-old boy going through puberty. So I apologize. But yeah, Michelle, I don't know. I mean, I feel like they're just

banging out season after season. We didn't even get a break from Gabby and Rachel's season straight into this. It's just such a quick turnaround. But truly, Becca, I'm not sure if I'm ready for this. It's been, it's been a wild. It's been a wild a few weeks. And we have so much to talk about. But what I'm most excited to talk about is we will have Lace Morris today. She was on Ben Higgins season of The Bachelor and Bachelor in Paradise season three. So she's kind of like a veteran and she got engaged. So we're like last time she's on Paradise. So we have a lot to talk about. But like you said, we we have more to talk about to catch up on before we even intro lace here. Yeah, Michelle and I were just chatting before we started recording. I was like, holy crap,

We haven't even talked about the Bachelor announcement yet. There was so much that happened and did not happen on the finale last week that let's chat about Zach's Bachelor because he was obviously announced on the stage. He already met five of his suitors. What are your overall thoughts on our next bachelor? Honestly, what is so weird is that I feel like I don't really know Zach that well. and I feel like going into like the bachelor I guess honestly probably the way people felt about Clayton coming becoming the bachelor where like you don't know a lot about them except for for me

Clayton was on my season so it's like I felt like I had all this like information I kind of you know had interacted but now it's it's almost like a disconnect I guess and maybe that's because with other things going on but I don't know I just I don't even know if I would have wanted any Bachelor from Gabby and Rachel's season. Yeah. Like, do you feel like if this was this season? Do you feel like if this was the season

to like pull a bachelor from or like contestant from a previous season? Was this the season to do that? Or do you feel? 1,000%. But also at the same time, I feel like sometimes I always feel very iffy. And then once we get started,

it's like you learn more about them. You connect with them. And you're invested. I'm waiting to see if I'm a, to be invested. I'm going to say this right now. And I'm not thrilled. And I will give several reasons why I, and I want to start this by saying we've had Zach on the podcast. He is a lovely man, very kind, so sweet. I was actually convinced that he and Rachel would end up together. I was like he's going all the way like he's the one. So obviously I was a little shocked

that that didn't pan out and not that he's the bachelor. I'm not thrilled. I'm not thrilled. I'm not thrilled with the choice, and that's not dissing Zach as a human. I think he is a nice person. I don't necessarily know if he has the charisma or the charm right now to carry a season. And yeah, playing off of what you just said to add on, like, I think this is the perfect opportunity in this franchise to, you know, still work towards being better and having much more diversity and pulling somebody from the past that people actually know, like can relate to like a Mike Johnson like I would you know we've been saying this for a while now I just yeah and I don't think that there was really anyone from the current the most recent season

that could have done this well um so I'm going to be completely honest I'm not really excited going into the next season and having to recap the season I would love to be proven wrong and I would love to be blown away and I would love to be entertained and excited about it right now I'm not. That's so I yeah and it's just I think part of it too is just the okay so when you jump from seasons to seasons we talk about what is it exactly I can't remember exactly what it's called but like bachelor fatigue or batch you know bachelor seasonal like fatigue whatever it is and you're so but like when you're really excited about somebody then that kind of surpassed. is that. But I think just after everything and how everything has taken place within the franchise, you know, the controversy, the emotional roller coaster, I think it's just, it's hard to not necessarily be as excited as you want to be excited about. But I am really happy, though, that we have paradise in between, you know, Zach's season and here. Just because I feel like the cast, there's a lot of different personalities.

I know there's a lot of drama on Clayton's season between, you know, Chenet and some of the girls. I know that there's some guys from Gabby and Rachel's season. So there's a lot of things that even talk about before we get to Zach's season. So we do have a little bit of time to warm up for him. Yeah. Honestly, I feel like the cast is going to have to bring it on Zach's season. There's going to be a lot of drama, I think, with just the women, which I hate to say, and I don't necessarily love to see drama, especially between women.

I feel like that's always how it is, though. But that's going to have to be the case because he's, Zach's like not like a super wild out there, you know, crazy lead that we've seen with some people in the past. So I think it's going to be very interesting. I mean, like, if I'm being completely honest, when he was meeting the women, I wanted to like be standing right behind him to be like, dude, talk to them, remember their names, ask them for their names,

hug them, like, get in there. And you weren't there, obviously. I wasn't there. I didn't even see the, I didn't even see those interactions of how it went. So you do have a different. It was cringy. It was so cringy. I mean it is a lot to step into it is a lot to step into it is and I'm sure he'll have some coaching in the meantime and we will have a lot of Bordone Sparkling Wine to get us through the season while we watch and do our recaps we truly are wishing Zach the best of luck I know that he starts filming this weekend so it's going to be a lot but you know I hope that he can enjoy this journey and really embrace all that this lead role has to offer and I'm sure he's going to meet some incredible women, some crazy women. So we will get to all of that, obviously, you know, when the time comes. But in the meantime, let's chat a little bit about paradise. Yeah. Oh, no. That's going to be stuck in my head. I'm going to the airport today, and it literally is going to be almost paradise as I'm like walking through security. Oh, my gosh. But we're back at

the beach, baby. It's open. And what were your overall? overall thoughts, standout moments from last night's episode. Oh, standout moments are not stand out. What do you consider stand out, Becca? Um, okay, standout moments. Does anyone trigger any reactions and you wouldn't see them and you're like, oh, that's my ex. This is weird. Honestly, still deciding.

It is a little bit, it is a little bit weird to see like Brandon walk down the stairs because it's honestly not so much. weird for me to watch but it is weird because I know that the public is going to just pick everything apart and it is weird to see like ooh like when you're watching

and they like recap like I'm from Michelle's season and then they like flash your face up there like the breakup and I'm like I forgot that I was going to have to be like dealing with some of this but I'm like God dang I already put in my time let me go damn leave me be

But it is, yeah, it is, it is pretty, it's just different, I guess. But no, truly, I think, I think I'm very excited. I feel like the cast is already very connected. Like, I really do feel like everybody knows each other already. Well, everyone besides lace, which we will get into with her. Yeah, truly, truly, but it's like everybody already knows each other. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. But it seems like there's been some relationships pre-show with, who is it, Romeo, Jill and Kira.

Romeo, Jill, and Kira. Like, there's just always so much already there. And I'm curious because for me, I'm in Bachelor Nation. I'm just, you know, we're in the Bachelor world, right? We're in the Bachelor family. So we are constantly hearing just different things that are going on, gossip, drama, updates. we know way too much too much it's kind of yeah it's really like annoying but i'm very curious if the audience or the viewers who are watching if they're going to be confused or not because it's like

they're missing a whole part of a story that we know when we're watching we have that context but like other people they don't have it so it's like well okay so for that situation in particular i was what i was thinking the entire time in the back of my head is like we've seen this on several seasons before this where people know each other they're talking something happens they go to the beach and it never works out for them and and i'm thinking like holy shit if joe was on this beach this season they would already be gone he would already have sent them home some way somehow we called him the what do we call him like the terminator the exterminator because he just like i don't even know how he did it because i wasn't there half the time but he like would cut people off of the island basically it was like

there's a survivor with him. We're talking about grocery store Joe, correct? Grocer store Joe, yes. So I'm interested to see if, like, since they all already knew each other and had some sort of connection, there was already something that went down with Romeo and Kira. Obviously, they, like, had alluded to a kiss at the very least. So I'm like, why is no one calling them out?

Like, we've seen this storyline before play out. So I will be interested to see what happens because they're not the only ones. There's a lot. Give me the tea. Who else? No. Wait, okay, I'm going to say it and you have to tell me. I already said who much.

Because. I already said way too much. Well, Andrew and Teddy had already chatted, it seemed like. Do you, I didn't know about that one. No, don't turn around this question. What are your, no, but I'm actually like, what are your thoughts? Because times are changing, right? Times are changing.

It used to be like, let's exile them if they've, like, talked before and, like, make a plan to, to whatever it is on the beach. Do you see that as unfair as somebody who stepped on the beach? What is like you're genuinely like like not necessarily when you were on Paradise, but now. I mean, I guess you're on last season. I think it depends on like the context that somebody was talking because in this day and age, social media is always around. Yeah. Everyone I'm sure has DMs or like liked a photo or something. Like that to me is fine.

I think the issue comes up when people have already been talking, seen to them. in some capacity and then try to scheme on the beach to get more roses and stick around. And so to kind of have this scheme of like, I'll give you my rose each week. If you give me your rose and like let's stay together to the end. It's like if you truly want to date and be with somebody and get to know them, do that outside of the beach. Like do that in real life. Obviously, you wouldn't get paid at that point. But then it's like, what are your intentions for coming on the beach? Correct. And that's where I think it rubs people, especially other contestants and so wrong way. When they know people have already been dating, hooking up, seeing each other,

whatever. And then they come on the beach to just try to scheme and, like, keep roses week by week to stay on longer. And then it's like, it's really this, like, weird. I feel like somebody always slips up in these situations. Like, everybody feels like they're able to come on the beach and, like, almost like, pull one over. Because it's like, hi, how are you doing? It's nice to meet you finally. And it's just like, um, um, like, call on bullshit right now. Like, you almost have Right. Like pretend to reintroduce yourself. It's weird. It's just, I don't know. I know too much. Next question. No, I'm, I'm, you know I'm going to get this out of you after we record. And I'm not today, Becca. I've already been thrown up. No, I'm giving you a break. I'm giving you two days. But I feel like I already know who you're talking about. So I want to confirm it first with you. But I'm sure we'll see more similar situations like this come out as the weeks go on. I mean, this is just one. And it's like, watch. It's watching it back now. I was actually watching it with Thomas. And it's so fun for us because to be with this man that I love that I met on this speech, it brings back so many memories. It's so nostalgic. We're watching it and we're like, that's our daybed that we had all of our conversations on. And so when we see other couples go, they're like, don't go to our bed. Don't taint it. And it's just like, it's like somebody had mentioned the tacos. And I was like, oh my God, I would go back just for the tacos. Thomas is like, I want to go back and just take you there.

and be at the resort because we have so many good memories there. And so it's fun to see the places of like where my love story and so many other love stories have unfolded. And that's why I love watching Paradise is because the opportunity for actual real relationships to form is so much greater. Obviously, that comes with a lot more drama as well. But I think it's going to be a fun season. I mean, we've already seen so many different personalities walk down. That's just going to grow week by week. I think it'll be fun. I feel like I want to know like all these like inside scoops of like your memories. Like let's take a trip down Thomas and Becca's like time on paradise. Maybe we'll have to have Thomas on sometime if we need like a whatever like let him on

and have you guys like talk through. How? Okay. So even just like with Paradise and everything starting, you walking in or you meeting Thomas and the whole just false reputation of him and you like overcoming that right who do you think on this season looking at episode one who is somebody that's going to completely refresh the reputation oh that's a great question I would say cheney definitely and we already saw I think cheney will redeem herself a little bit and we've already kind of seen it because and this is why I'm actually excited had to have lace on because out of all of the women, I didn't expect Sheenay to be the one to go to Lace when she was down in her bunk and try to pull her out and come hang out,

you know, because, but I will say if you go back to Clayton's season, the same thing kind of happened to She felt alone. She felt ostracized. Like, no one wanted to talk to her and be with her. And so the fact that I think she could relate to Lace made her much more empathetic to be the one to go get her. But yeah, I think her, I'm trying to think of the men um i was really shocked to okay so case i like casey casey he is casey is i honestly i am i'm a i'm a casey fan i'm a huge casey because he has like these really like he has these really funny like quick witted moments that just like the things that he says are honestly it can be dry humor can be dad humor but i just remember

remember like even just tuning in and if you pay attention to just the things that he says like he's just I don't know like simply hilarious I would love to have Casey on the podcast rubbing what is it rubbing that name imagination's own hack shepherd let's go case but he was funny like and he was edgy too like let's go to the boom boom room I'm like what please tell me you caught the part where he was talking about all of the nipple rubbing. And then he, my favorite part of the entire episode was Casey picking up his coffee glass and with two hands and drinking his coffee cup. I'm like, what is this kid doing?

I'm like, you're like a six, six two man. You don't need two hands to hold your coffee cup. I'm already a fan of Casey. I will say Thomas is already a fan of Casey. I would love to have him on the podcast. So hopefully we will be seen much more of him. But before that, we have to bring on lace. She was there day one.

She's actually the only one so far on this cast list that has done Paradise before. So, as you said, she's a vet. Great to pick her brain about, like, the past versus the present. So everybody, please welcome Lace to Happy Hour. Welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour Lace. We have not seen you since Paradise Three. So fill us in. are you first of all and how has it been rewatching yourself now on the big screen um it's been a while

man six years um that's a long time to take a break from bachelor and just come back i i had been out of the show for several years before i went back to paradise and it's it's such a jarring experience like you go from living your normal life to doing whatever you want and then having to be back on the schedule it's a lot to take it no but i'm actually in the six years i'm doing really good i took the time for myself and I feel like I've grown up a lot. I'm a lot more wise. I'm definitely more chill. So seeing myself on the big screen is going to be a little scary because I remember just like not knowing what to expect and it's all back. So here we are. The TV anxiety of watching yourself and Bachelor Nation. Honestly, though, I love that that you've taken time for yourself to work on

yourself. That's amazing. And just even going into paradise, hopefully, like being in a good headspace, But before you hit those beaches, like, I know you're working on yourself, but have you, like, were you dating beforehand? So I actually got into a very serious relationship, like, two and a half years after Grant and I got, like, broke up. And that didn't work out. So I decided after that it was just time to take a break from dating because that's all I've ever done. So I have actually been single for the most part since then. I've done, like, dating, you know, a couple months here and there, but could not get past like three months. someone. So I decided to just be single and just kind of date. And it's been actually amazing

for self-growth. I love that. I mean, honestly, I think it's so important to take some time for yourself and to have the self-awareness to recognize that. Like, I need my own time, my own space for a bit to be potentially better for someone in the future is so important. One thing that it kind of like, I'm trying to put myself back in your shoes of like going back onto Paradise after taking a few years off. And obviously, when you were on Paradise 3, to just give all of our listeners a quick recap, you dated Grant, you got engaged during that finale. How long were you both together at that point? Grant, are you talking about? Yes. Sorry. Grant and I were a total of six months, like, including Paradise. Gotcha. Okay. So you know that the process can work. You can genuinely

fall for someone. Is that mainly the reason why you said yes to going to back now on season eight you were like this could work again i'm going to give it a shot a hundred percent i i mean i figured there are times the charm we'll get we'll try but i knew that grant and i could but we were not i don't think grant and i were in a space for either of us to try and continue making it work but if two people are willing to you can it can happen um real world just hits after you leave paradise and you know the dream so it just depends on if people are willing to put the work in with your with your mindset of that and like how everything took place. And like you said, like you went through that experience. You got engaged,

you know, didn't work out. And then you said you've done so much growth. Has your mindset, or did your mindset change as you were walking into paradise from the first time you walked into paradise? What was the biggest, you know, just thing that you were thinking about or the biggest part of you that had been different for this next time around? Yeah, that's a really good question, actually. It definitely was different in the sense. Well, I know it can, work, but I think I knew things that different this time that I could do better myself and maybe just kind of someone looking at someone a little differently and being a little more open-minded and just kind of steering away from anyone like Chad.

Okay. So being open-minded, is there anything looking, like you looking for somebody in a man or in a partner that changed because you said you will you said that you wanted to be open minded to some other people right right more open minded is there like a trait or a characteristic that you wanted to look for in men that was different that maybe you weren't open to before i don't know to answer it just because i know all these guys are on the show for love right but i thought i thought grant was too you know so i guess it was more of a me thing and hoping that there was a guy ready for love but only I can only control my side of it I guess for a guy I just really wanted

a mature manly I open I don't know looks wise I was open right but I was just I don't know was there was there anyone when you were cutting down that you really were excited to see that you thought would be there and then once you were there was there anyone who kind of pulled at you a little bit that you were besides Logan because we saw that conversation which we will get into but besides him that you were leaning towards like oh he could be a great partner yeah i mean i thought a lot of the guys coming possibly coming were hot um but i know for sure that i wanted to meet well everyone probably wanted to meet brandon but i'm like brandon's so good attractive but i think rodney was a big one that i was really interested in meeting because i've heard

what a great guy he is and i didn't really watch too much of your episode michelle actually but I've heard good things about him, so he was kind of on the top of my list. Okay. Did you, once you got down there, did the men at that point exceed expectations? Or when did they not exceed the expectations? When I got down to the beach, I was kind of in shock. I'm like, well, there's no one here for me. But no, I mean, there was a couple.

Everyone was attractive, but I was like, I don't know. these are my type I'm not sure you know who surprised me with Andrew Andrew is very attractive the person I'm like okay he's cute but I almost got shy and coming back six years later because I didn't know anyone so scared to talk to anyone and I'm like I got to step my game up here yeah I that's got to be like intimidating were you fairly nervous walking down those stairs like knowing that you know that that it's just been a minute yeah they're pretty producers that were with me. I'm like, can I please just back out now? I do not want to do this. I thought I was ready. And then I got from the stairs and I was like shaking. I'm like,

what am I getting myself into? Oh, I feel that girl. One thing that I wanted to ask you. So there was one girl. I think it was Haley after you had walked down the beach and introduced yourself to everyone. She made a comment of like six years later. Why are you back? Your time is up like and it really rubbed me the wrong way because first of all you and i are the same age i'm also 32 um i don't know if you're actually 32 with your fake birthday or not which i do want to ask you about that one's really good but but she but the comment just really rubs me the wrong way and in my mind i'm like everyone is already putting their lives on hold to come back on the show they're putting everything on the line to potentially find a partner it's a lot to take it and a lot to

handle and obviously everyone is here because it hasn't worked out in the past so why not try it again and so when she said that i was i got the ick and i was like oh i don't like what she just said that really rub me the wrong way how do you feel knowing that that was like the sentiment and how would you if she would have said that to your face how would you have addressed it yeah i'm actually glad you brought this up because i'm already struggling with the fact that i'm coming back six years later and i was like am i going to be the oldest one i don't know but i just and you know how the world is right now it's like if you're 32 and single it's a problem you know and it's hard to date as it is so um coming back at 32 is already scary enough the comment just isn't necessary so had she

said it to my face it i say something like why do i have to be here why can't i come back why can't i get a second chance at love just like you guys like i didn't find it that's okay if i come back um yeah i think that's kind of a a BS comment too um i deserve love just as much as anyone else. So who cares if I was six years ago. Amen. Say aloud it for the people in the back. And I was scared. I was, I'm scared because, you know, I saw Grant got engaged, you know. So I feel, oh gosh, I'm still single six years later. Is it me? Am I a problem? But I can't think like that. I thought it's not. It's just hard to date in this world now. And I accept that. And I'm, everyone's timeline's different. And mine's just a little slower as far as love. And that's okay.

That's okay. You got to be patient. And do not tell us. Do not settle. Yeah. Wow said. I love that. I really do love that. Okay. So that first day, you're down on the sand and it's not going how you wanted to go, right?

Like you already said that you have all these other things. Like you have all these things going through your head. You have all these emotions, these things that you're personally dealing with because of the experiences you've been through. And it was, it really was kind of a rough first go at it with you, right? For you anyways, it was just you felt. like a complete outsider? I did. I mean, that was what I was scared of is I don't know anyone.

They don't know who I am. And hopefully everyone's nice because there could be some really bitchy people on there. But yeah, the girls were really nice, but everyone was kind of standoffish. I think they were nervous to you and I didn't put that into account when I was there. So just kind of like, why did I come here? This is stupid. I just needed a breather. But I just, I did the thing where I'm like, my season was more exciting, but it was too soon

to say that, I think, because you know how the seasons go. Anything could happen. But I kind of just got in my head a little bit. And I just felt uncomfortable. Yeah. So we saw the part where you were up in the bunk doing your own thing. Like I was like, she's going to tap out. She's going to go home. But then Cheney comes up and tries to pull you out to go have a drink on the beach and get you out of the shell, which, and I was saying this to Michelle before you were on. I was out of anyone there, I was surprised that it was Cheney because she had such a bad rep on her season, on Clayton's season. And so I was genuinely surprised, but in a great way that she was the one to come to you. I feel like she could really relate because she kind of felt ostracized on her season

two. So did you expect anyone to come get you? And were you surprised when it was Cheney? No, I just was taking a breather. I didn't care if anyone did or not. I just had to take a step away because I did not want to make a bad move or do something stupid like previously. So I just needed to a step away from the situation. She was definitely the last person. I thought maybe a producer would come up and talk to me if they did. But that's kind of where her and I bonded and we related a little bit because we both were kind of, I guess, villains previously.

But yeah, she kind of, she was really sweet and came up to me and had a really good talk and she'd just get down there. And so I thought about it for a minute. I'm like, I should. Don't be stupid. You're just being kind of selfish and insecure. We're not. That's not why we came here.

We came here to be confident. So I got my, I got my butt up and went back down there. You return with confidence, so much confidence, Lace, that when you had the idea arise of let's just tell everybody today is my birthday, which honestly, I don't know. I feel like some people might do that now. Like, are people, the tactic it worked, but where, like, where did that come from? Yeah, so I came back down and I was like, well, I might as well do something entertaining. And there was something said about a birthday.

I don't know. And so I was like, well, let's go with it. It's my birthday. and I'm like, let's take some shots. And so I was like, it's your birthday, let's take shots. And it just was a whole thing. And everyone jumped on board. I was surprised how many people were excited about a birthday.

And so I ran with it. And there was a lot of times where people would talk about the birthday. And then I would get confused because they'd ask me my sign. And I'm like, uh-oh, I don't know the sign for this birthday. Leo, you're a Leo. Oh, shoot. So that's where you had birthday cake. Like Logan brought you birthday cake.

You asked him to sing you happy birthday that led into that conversation. I will. First, I want to know this. We'll talk about the Logan conversation here in a second. But did anybody call you out? Like, or when it plays back, is this going to be the first time that people are learning that it wasn't your birthday? I won't say too much just because there's a whole season to be still. No, everyone till the end of the season thought it was my birthday.

I think there was, like, still the day I left, people were like, um, isn't it your birthday? Wasn't it your birthday? So no one, no one caught on that it was my birthday. I feel like everyone was very naive. Um, because I'm a bad liar and everyone went with it. So I would have believed you. Well, I will. I will say, having a birthday in paradise can be very hit or miss based upon the history of the beach. Like last year, I think it was Kenny's birthday. Some, made him a cake there was a fight it was started in the fire Tammy went home on her birthday so that was a balzy move to be like this could either go swimmingly or it could sink real fast so the thing about that is I feel like no one knows me so you know nothing about me you don't know me so I can do my birthday because you have no idea when my birthday is when is your real when is your real birthday it's actually coming up on November 3rd so I think this season will be airing while my Yes. Okay. So we will have a second celebratory shot slash cake for you. Getting into that Logan conversation, he's singing to you. The conversation's going fairly well. It seems like,

and then he says the wrong name. Was it in that moment that you knew Logan was not going to be the one for you? I still cannot get over that. I think this name haunts me to this day. When he called me the wrong name, I'm like, we're done here. You don't even know my name. I'm good. And I think it's because he's 26, too. And I was going to say, did the age have anything to do with it? Because when you found out he was 26, your whole demeanor kind of changed. You're like, you're a baby. You're a baby and you called me the wrong name.

We're done. Yeah. You don't even need three strikes in your own, buddy. Names are so important, though. Like, he called you loose. Of all names, do you know how many different directions loose can go? Like, this is really embarrassing. Also, it's like a tent.

Like, I know that the first day is a lot, but it's like paying attention. and, like, tentative to detail and you want to, you know, know that somebody's paying attention. And it's like, oh, see that? I don't know if I could get past that. In his defense, I dated Jason Tarnick on my season for a good couple weeks and forgot his name on a date. So it can happen. That is true. And I was in a Jason.

Dating that many people. Actually, I did call somebody the wrong name on the first night. So never mind, I can't even talk here. We've all done. A complete wrong name. We've all done. that's different. You guys had a ton and there was just a few of us. So is it a deal breaker or no? It was a deal breaker for Logan. Okay. Yeah. But if anyone does it again, I might be traumatized. So it's a deal breaker.

You know, even Jesse Palmer has done it. We've all done it. Okay. Before we get into our last question that we ask everyone here, we need to know. I mean, obviously it's only been night one. There's still so much that happens on that beach. But can you give us a little teaser? of what's to come this summer? You know, I have to say, even though I was kind of pouting and I was sad and thinking that this season was going to be kind of lame compared to mine, because I did have a really great season, but they really fooled us. And there is a lot of twists and turns and a lot of crying and anger. Did you expect any different? No, which is crazy of me to think that.

You're in for a wild run. I didn't see half the stuff coming and I'm like, why did I come back? Yeah. Well, we know a little bit of what's to come and it does sound wild. There are, as you said, twists and turns that I am very intrigued to see Pan out because I would not have expected it. It sounds like it's going to be good. All right, lace, not loose, lace. It is time for our rose and thorn.

And then we're also going to add our additional piece. now a resource or something that has been helping you out so if you want to start with your highlight your rose shoot um my rose i just think it's the confidence of coming back it has to be um it was a wild ride but i just am really proud of myself for coming back and putting myself out there and being vulnerable enough my thorn getting cold loose yes yes names are important And then resource. Hey, resource. I just think we all need to be educating ourselves fully.

I love reading personally. Reading is my go-to. I think there's so many books out there. People love podcasts. There's plenty of podcasts as well. But I just think people really need to start educating themselves more on just diversity and mental health, all of it. Because mental health is such an issue these days. And, you know, even going on this show for some of us can really affect us after.

and all of the stuff that comes with it and your past comes out. So I really just think it's education for ourselves and treating everyone with kindness because you don't know where they're coming from. There's one I'm reading right now. I have it right here. It's the power of positive thinking. I think that's a huge one. That's what I'm reading right now and it's already changed my mindset so much.

I also think the power of love is huge for people. There's a million books out there that are amazing. I love that. I guess they are. All right. Michelle, you want me to go or do you want to take it away? Take it away, Becca. Okay.

So my, this is going to be so interesting due to a rose and Thorne just for like one episode. But I'll say my rose, I think, is just watching Paradise Back with Thomas and seeing all the places where we had our story began and where we started to fall for each other. And so that was just a little walk down memory lane, which was really nice for us. my thorn oh my god no no no i also have to say though casey's cup holding with the glass the two-handed drink was my favorite um it's just i don't know he's such a character he was hilarious so that's another little that that's a bud on my rose i would say and then the thorn is probably

i think honestly i would say the thorn has seen haley say that about you coming down because I felt very much in your shoes last year and how you somewhat felt coming down. And so it really rub me the wrong way. So that's going to be my thorn of the week. And then a resource is I shared several on my Instagram story last week after Michelle and I had our follow up conversation to the podcast. But I was doing some more digging around because I had shared 13th, which is an incredible documentary.

But I found another one that I haven't watched yet. I want to do it this week. And we can obviously talk about it. next week if we want, but it's called more than a month. Michelle, have you heard of it? Briefly. It's basically about this filmmaker goes around the country. And, you know, February is Black History Month, and he kind of goes outside of the box

a little bit and not like petitions, but like starts this thing where he's like, we should end Black History Month. And it's, it pushes people off. They're rubbed the wrong way. But I think it's because he's trying to make it more of like, well, black history is American history and it shouldn't just be condensed to these 28 days. And so I watched the trailer for it. I think it's on PBS, I believe. So that's one that I think will be a good resource and just thought provoking. So I'm excited to check that one out. So that's the one

I'm sharing today. I like that. Becca, we should actually, we should try to check that one out together. Oh my gosh. Do you want to do a little virtual date? Let's do it. Yeah. I'll come to you. Yeah. Oh, my God. I would love that. I would love that. But, okay, so my rose. would probably be just changing it up like we're finally on paradise i really do genuinely like watching paradise because there's more than one love story taking place it's also kind of cool to watch because i know majority of the people who are stepping on the beach and like you've met them so it's like i don't know it's a little bit different which is cool um my thorn would probably have to be a oh my storm probably have to be just like the discomfort of like it's just awkward to watch

seeing your exes awkward to watch exes walking on a beach right like whether however dinkly you connect with them or not it's just odd I don't know so it'll be different I already watched one with Clayton now I'm watching like what how many three at the same time right now and it's probably going to get more here we go buckle up my resource my resource would have to be, so there's a podcast called Still Processing, and it's this amazing just kind of talks about all these different social issues, but specifically the episode Kaepernick, because, you know, taking a knee during the National Anthem, and it talks about how Nike sponsored and brought him on board after that whole thing took place. And so it gives

really good insight of just, you know, that whole situation. And I think it's an awesome, awesome episode to listen to after everything that had happened with just with with this racial controversy going on and is there's just a lot of different similarities and so um that one you can find on i think apple podcasts um it's on spotify as well and so yeah check it awesome i'll make sure to tag it yeah thank you but lace thank you so much it's been so so awesome having you on here it's been a long time coming but we are happy to see a familiar face. And we know that this opens up a whole new world of you having to watch yourself on the screen again. But fingers crossed that. It goes well for you. And like you said,

I'm sure it's going to be a wild ride. Yeah. Thank you for having me, honestly. This is fun. I was excited to talk to you guys. I haven't met you really at all yet. We loved having you. It's always good to see a familiar face. And honestly, I kudos to you for finding the strength to come back to put yourself out there once again. It's not an easy feat. And so I'm glad that you did it. And we get to see more of you. So thank you for hopping on today. Yeah. Have fun watching. Well, we will. All right. Well, Michelle, welcome to Paradise. Hey, hey, first season in Paradise. Let's go. We are in it. I'm so excited that this is the first time we're doing Paradise together. It's going to be very fun. I can't wait to see what happens. It sounds like it is a crazy banana bonkers

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