Bachelor Happy Hour - How to Handle Monsters-in-Law | Golden Hour

Episode Date: September 11, 2026

Today on “Golden Hour,” Kathy and Susan are back dishing out some advice about dealing with horrible in-laws. We kick things off by catching up with the ladies about their fabulous trip to Northern California. Then, we dive into all things in-laws; Kathy tells us about her experience with terrible in-laws and how she navigated life with them. We also hear about Kathy and Susan’s perspectives as in-laws and how they navigate their relationships with their kids and their partners. Next, we get into your questions: Is it healthy for a husband to call his mother after every single disagreement with his wife? How do you know whether someone is taking things slow in a relationship because they’ve never been with someone long-term or because they’re not interested? You asked and we answered. Plus, we play a round of “The In-Law Game” to give you some rapid-fire advice. Tune in now and be sure to subscribe. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Susan officiated a wedding out there. Here's a couple of fabulous little things. First of all, Susan said that we were going, the wedding was outside of Jenner and we were going to be there. Then we were going back to the bride's home in San Francisco. And then the next day we were going up to the wineries. And I said, Susan, that doesn't make any sense because we're already up there. We would go to the wineries. No, we're going back to their home in San Francisco.

And then on Tuesday, we're driving to the winery. I thought, okay, whatever, I'm going to die in the cars. But okay. So what is Kathy Pack? The weather in San Francisco, 69, 68, cloudy. I mean, I'm used to 105. So, you know, I've got my sweatsuits, my sweaters. We get there.

We were in Sacramento. And we get there and the brides are like, oh, we can't wait to show you Sacramento. I said, Sacramento. And she said, that's where we live. If I'd had a baseball bat, I would have, it would have. Yeah, well, guess what? I sweat to that. When it's 90 out.

So it really wasn't a big deal. She did just fine. I didn't have the clothes, though, which, anyway, but we had such a great time. And then they took us to dinner at a Michelin restaurant. And y'all know that I don't really cook. I appreciate good food. But, you know, we're sitting there and Susan's dissecting. It's excellent.

There's corn in this. and there's margarine. Yes, she goes, what do you taste? And I'm telling her the ingredients that I thought were in there. I'm like corn. She goes, I don't taste corn. It was corn. However, I did taste milk.

Susan Gold says, it's not milk. It's egg whites, frog. I thought it was egg white. And the server comes over and says, no, it's actually coconut milk. I was like, I got something right. And then it was really funny because, you know, when you go to a Michelin restaurant, they're all over you. Like, they reach the door. They walk into the bathroom.

I mean, it's just ridiculous. And what did you learn from that? That Michelin means not only good food, but the whole, the atmosphere, the service. Yes, it's an experience. So we're sitting there and my phone rings and my daughter's calling it. And of course, you're not supposed to answer your phone anyway, but certainly not in a Michelin Restaurant. I pick up the phone. I said, Caitlin, you're either in a hospital with broken bones, Reese is something to happen.

This has to be good because I'm in a Michelin Star restaurant. Otherwise, I'm hanging up. She goes, where are you? And I said we're at, now I've forgot the name of the restaurant again. Anyway, we're at this Michelin restaurant that was absolutely, Susan's looking it up for me. And my daughter says, oh, I know the owner. And I was like, you've got to be kidding.

Press. Press. And it was fabulous. Shout out to Press. Caitlin goes, I know the owner. I went to school, college with Mason. And Mason's married. The two of them owned this restaurant. I know Mason.

and Mason sends us over like six desserts at the end of the night. He was out of town. What a small world, right? It was a small. But anyway, we had such a great town. I can't wait to go back. And next time? We did the wineries in Napa.

We did two, a sister winery. And the lower one, we had an excellent time. I bought all these cheeses and meats and a big loaf of French bread and wine. It was excellent. Then we go to the big maha, which is a beautiful castle. It was so pretty. I hated the wine. And I'm telling you, usually it's me who's just saying what I think,

here these beautiful brides have paid for this whole experience for us. And Susan's saying, I hate this wine. I said, Susan, stop. I want to sit down. They will let me sit in a chair. It was so funny. So we had smelled soap in the gift shop. And I thought, you know where I'm going to buy my friend Susan, a bar of soap.

At least make the wine might be bad, but she'll love the soap. I get to the checkout. And the guy gives me the total. The soup was like $17 a bar. So I'm telling you, Susan, that better last you for the next 20 years. I swear. Today, we're going to be talking about, if you will, monster in-laws. Can we go there?

I know Kathy has had a monster-in-law in her life. I did. And, you know, you can't speak of the dead, but I'm going to try. No, God. When did you first realize that she was, like, the worst? Honestly, true story. I knew I was in trouble when my sisters-in-law were not, they were not, they came to get fitted for bridesmaids gowns. And I grew up in a large, not that large, but compared to the small little hamlet that my sister-in-law has grew up in.

I grew up in a big house. But it wasn't, you know, we had five kids, six kids. It was big. So they went back and told their parents that I lived in a castle. And so my soon-to-be father-in-law said to my husband, said to Darryl, are you sure you want to marry her? You'll never be able to make her happy. Right there, you know, I knew I had trouble.

What about you? Did you get along with yours? I did. I did. She wasn't around that long. And I was, I didn't have that, the monster-in-law's. and I'm certainly not a monster-in-law. But the only thing I could think of is a lot of moms

that end up being, if you will, monster-in-law's, are jealous because they're not number one anymore. Their wife has to be. But there's some mama's boys out there that make it a little difficult. Let me just tell you two things. In my opinion, a man should always choose his wife over his mother, always.

And if he's not doing that, and if you see, if you're dating someone, even and you see him choosing his mother over you, that is a red flag. Run, do not walk to the nearest exit. But I do think that, in my case, my husband was the oldest and the only son. And my husband's tough when it's the only son. Well, and he spoiled me rotten. I mean, he really did.

I told you, I had a wonderful husband. And my mother-in-law did everything. Her husband did nothing. So she cooked. She cleaned. She did all the stuff with the kids. She expected you to be like that. Yeah, well, that wasn't.

But I think she was jealous that my husband helped up with the kids. If you had a husband that constantly went with what his mother's say, his mother's wishes instead of yours, is that grounds to leave somebody? Or did he take you? He chose you. My husband always chose me. There were a few times when my mother-in-law was. getting elderly. And you have to understand, even though my mother-in-law was mean to me,

I bent over backwards for that woman. I took her to all her doctor's appointments. I would take her to lunch once a week. I would go over. I would say to my husband, listen, we have to go over and busy. I was the one doing all that. So, um, you know. How about the ones that tell you whether you're raising your kids right now. See, I have that problem. Dickie and I talk about it all the time. like we don't agree with the way Britt and her husband were doing certain things with our grandkids. Like, I didn't raise my kids like that. Do you say something? I don't.

I, only time I do, and it's very infrequently, my daughter will ask me, she'll say, do you think that's normal? And that's just because, you know, she had her daughter very prematurely. And my granddaughter, believe me, she's just fine. But for the most part, I don't offer any thoughts on any of it. I feel like if they want my opinion, I'll answer. But I want to ask you something. If you're, like, if Caitlin asks me something and I give her an answer, then I'm afraid she's going to go back and say, well, my mom said, and then I'm dirt in my son-in-law. So, you know, I really, do you ever, you don't care?

No. They ask me, I'm telling them. Yes, absolutely. But what about some people like hate their in-laws, they hate the family. Can they still be happy? Who? Can who be happy? I've actually seen it.

Wait, can who be happy? The couple? Yes. Listen, I didn't hate the strong word. I did not hate my father-in-law was a misogynist. My mother-in-law was just a sweet, not terribly educated, you know, he told her how, he told her to jump and she said how high. That is not the marriage my husband and I had.

So honestly, before anyone jumps on me, that worked for them. Although it didn't really, because my mother-in-law many times said how unhappy she was. But, you know, everyone has to choose what works for them. For me, my husband and I work together. We raised the kids together. He did most of the cooking. I would mow the lawn. Like we didn't have traditional roles in our family.

And fortunately, both of my, all my kids, I like who they're with except one is not really with. But what if, I mean, I'm sure there's a hundred people out there listening to this and saying, that's me, that's me. Yeah. If you really don't like the person that they're choosing, do you tell them that before the wedding? Oh, my son's going to kill me. Or do you just keep it under wrap? My son is going to kill me.

But you know, Susan knows my whole family. And remember, she officiated my son's second wedding. So my son was dating a woman who was subsequently married, who had two children from a previous marriage. And it was very clear. She had never worked. She had her daddy's charge card, and she just charged and charged and charged and charged. and these two kids were not disciplined, really, at all. So I said to my son twice.

He did not ask me. I said to him twice, are you sure you want to do this? Because if she's, because she had said to my son, you cannot discipline the children. Well, you weren't saying that you weren't crazy about her. Are you sure you want to do this? You just said, are you sure? And that's a simple question. No, I liked her as a person.

I think she, you know, she's got a great sense of human. and all that. But we always talk, Susan, on this podcast about goals and lifestyle and do they align? My son, they did not align. She didn't work, but she could spend money. And my son, I don't know anybody, except her father, who earns enough money to support that. So I said to my son, that's going to be a problem for you. I said it twice. He married her. Some of those things came true. But at the end of the day, did he listen to me? Obviously not. So the question was, do you say anything? I did. But you didn't. You only asked a question. You didn't share that you weren't crazy about or that's what I'm asking. Like if you're not crazy about somebody, are you going to say to your son or

daughter, like, I'm not in love with this guy. I did answer the question. It's not as it's sort of like when we talk about your breakup. It's not necessarily, do you, just you like the person. It's do you align? My son and his first wife did not align on values, saving money, plans for retirement, all the stuff that we talked about with you. They did not align. So did I like or yes? Did I think she was the right one for my son? No. That wasn't a question. The question's like, if you hate the person, your adult child is about to marry, do you tell them before the wedding or take that opinion to the great? I haven't. had it. But I think I would have to say something.

He's not my favorite person, something. Some women would just keep it to themselves. So let's play that one out. The music you love. Your favorite radio stations. Everywhere you go. The podcasts everyone's talking about. All in one place.

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Yeah, but if you say to your son, I don't like Louise, you're making a mistake by marrying her. Whatever, you know me. Steph, you know, Patunia. If he marries her, you've got a problem with, you got a problem. Because now your son is going to look at you differently and not share things he's going to tell us. wife at some point, well, my mother doesn't like you anyway. It's deadly. I just don't think that's our. All I would turn to is get my son to think about here's what you're going to face. And you know what? In retrospect, I wouldn't do it again because it didn't change anything.

Well, how about when you have some maritable problems and you want to talk to your mom like you spill? my problem is if she's spilling to me, I'm developing an attitude. I don't like what's happening, what she's telling me. Wait, I'm lost. Your daughter? Who's spilling to you? Like one of my children. And they're telling me what happened, like they had a fight or something's happening

in the marriage that they're not happy. I think by doing that, you developed, you feel a certain way. Like, you know, you're judging them. And I got to remember, everybody should remember, there's always three sides to the story. There's her side, his side, and what really happens. So it's hard not to judge. Like if your daughter's crying and she's not happy about a fight or whatever the situation was, you want to control your daughter and you immediately feel something why he said these things to her,

why he hurt her. That's a tough one. I think if kids come to you about their marriage, and my stepmother, who you know I love, I consider her my mother. I try to walk in her footsteps, which is I listen and I make no judgments. I say, oh, sweetie, I know that must be hard.

You know, very innocuous comments because it's not for me to fix. No, we can't fix it. I can have empathy for what she's going through and be in ear. But you know what? I always remember this. When someone, I'm learning it, actually. When someone comes to you, it's, do you want me to listen or do you want my opinion? And with my kids, I don't offer an opinion unless they straight up ask me. I don't. Not with our friends or anybody else in the walks of life. That's right. That's right. She's exactly. Okay. We had issues around with my mother-in-law. My husband, especially towards the end, would say things like,

like, it's just my mother, you know, this is, this is who she is. She didn't have the education you have. She's, you know, she's been beaten up her whole life. And I was like, and I, sometimes I would get angry and I wished I had been, I wish I had been calmer. But things that always got in the way, I'm telling you some of the arguments my husband I had were like holidays. His parents would say, for example, there were three kids. And they would say, well, we're going to rotate and we'll be with you next year. Like, I'm sorry, we might be going to see my family. It was that sort of the in-laws insinuating. You kind of set that up though. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. They didn't work with your family. No, it was, I'm saying, they made a rotation, whether it worked, you know,

for us or not. So those things were a problem, or I remember one time they came for Thanksgiving. I mean, why are we digging all this up? When they came for Thanksgiving, and my husband, again, was a great cook. I always made my stepmother's French-Canadian stuffing. It has saw, it's really good stuff. Well, they liked bread stuffing. And when we had Thanksgiving, when we talked, they, they loved the meal because Darrell made a lot of the things that he'd grown up with, but I made the stuffing that he and I had, from a tradition. You didn't make both? No, it's my Thanksgiving. When we go to their house, I don't say, can you make my Canadian sausage. So, no, it's our Thanksgiving. They were guests at our home. And that was the kind of

stuff that irritated me. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. And my in-laws never understood that. I would say to my mother-in-law, please, my kids had sugar addiction. I don't know where they got that from, maybe me. They, you know, they'd be feeding them cookies at 4 o'clock. I would say, we're eating dinner in an hour and a half. That's a grandmother, that's grandparents' person. It's a holiday. They can do whatever they do. No, no, no, no, just whenever they would come to visit. I mean, listen.

See, my house, I know certain people don't like this, don't like that. My sister and her husband like stove top stuffing. I think it's gross. But she brings it. She knows I'm going to make traditional stuffing, and she just brings it. So we make sure everybody's happy. Yeah, but I'm saying this is different. This is they arrived, and they wanted to.

to have the exact same Thanksgiving meal they have at their house. So, you know, Kathy dealt with a little bit of monster-in-law. Yeah, I did. And like I said, they, they, and you know what's interesting? One of his sisters had an affair and the other one's husband was just what I would call an emotional abuser. My husband and I were married for almost 46 years. So in the end of the day, you know, maybe, maybe they should have worried about

own daughters. I just thank goodness I've never had that kind of a mother-in-law. And I'm a great mother-in-law. Have you ever asked your sons or your daughter? And I know the truth, so don't lie to the, don't lie to the bacheloretation here. I don't lie. Have you ever asked them what's going on in their marriages and then had an opinion about it? Not really. No, if I see somebody's upset, like having a little attitude when I'm with Chris and Jess and Jess's looks pissed off. I go, Chris, what did you do? What did you do? Why she made it? Mom, she just thinks, and Jess speaks up and we all laugh about it because there's nothing really that bad. But yeah, if I notice I'm going to say something, but if they're perfectly happy, I'd just say,

hey, everybody good. Yeah, I don't want to know. That's their marriage. Yeah, that's what I've been saying. My life is hard enough. I don't know. I just keep my business out. I walk in. I walk in. I mean, I loved my son-in-law and my daughter-in-law candy. And I love, I love them. I'm very lucky. I, you know, Kyle got it right the second time. It's difficult for me. Right now, my daughter's about to go through another divorce. And I always loved her husband. I really did. But I saw changes and I see things happening that I don't blame her. but I don't want to trash him. Do you give her opinions about what she should do? When she asks.

Do you ever, have you ever talked to him? I mean, we don't need details. Yes, I have. Yes, I have. Yeah. So you do give opinions about when I'm asked. Oh, your son-in-law asked you. Oh, yeah.

Oh, really? That was them. Yeah, no, my... Moving along now. Yeah, I don't... What I do is I go in and I hug my daughter-in-law. I hug my son-in-law. Oh, absolutely.

I try to help clean up the dishes, you know, help with the kids. I just want them to like me and I don't want to get in any hotline. I want to be there for them always. All right. What's next on our plate here? Here's the fun part. You know how we answer questions from our listeners. I do.

I do. I try to give our best expert golden advice. All right. So I'm going to start us off with the first one. This is from Lauren and she's from Atlanta. She says, I'm obsessed with you both. Anyway, my fiance is wonderful. But whenever we have a disagreement, he immediately calls his mom for advice before we even finish talking it through ourselves.

I respect that they're close. But it feels like someone else is suddenly involved in our relationship. Is it healthy to get family advice or should some conversation stay between? the couple. What do you think? What's your point, Kathy? Well, first of all, she said, it's been happening all the time.

She said he immediately called, whenever we have a disagreement, he immediately calls his mom. So. I freak out. So my answer to you, Lauren, is no, that's not healthy. Whether it should stay between the couple or not,

the more germane issue here is he doesn't talk with you first. So that, I mean, I don't personally think it's a great idea to go to your family for advice. I mean, I have a sister I'm close with that may be okay. But, you know, I think the real issue here, the real issue is he's not coming to her first. Kathy, do you think it would be better if he waited until it was all over and privately called? And then, then it's a different thing. like if he's calling straight out in front of her, maybe it was something silly or whether you want to do this or this,

but if it's something serious, you better stick there with your wife or your spouse, whoever, which one it is. I'm going to be, as I always am, painfully honest. I don't think it's ever okay to go to your mother for advice unless it's how many carrots for a diamond ring for our university should I buy. I would agree. Yeah.

No, the mother might think smaller is better save your money. Really, whatever it is. I think the issue here, Lauren, is you need to tell your husband, in a nice way, not argumentative, just go and say, look, it makes me feel badly. This is our marriage. Your mother has her marriage or did have her marriage or did have her relationship. This is ours. And we need to learn to communicate in effective ways with each other.

without you running off and calling your mother. Because maybe he's looking for somebody to agree with him. You know, then it's like two against one. It's not healthy. You want to be right. So you're going to call your mom and see what she says. So she agrees with you. You know, that's you're right.

And I would have a little chat with him and say, that's not fair. Like that's not, it's not her marriage. It's our marriage. Right. That's what I said. There's not room for three, Lauren. That, you know, and I don't know if you have. have kids or not, but that's going to be the mother that's telling you how to feed your children,

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I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are the Survivor Files. I just remember this low, taunting voice next to my ear saying, shut up, don't say anything. Every week, I'm with survivors who lived through the unthinkable. I knew if he woke up, without a doubt, he was going to hurt me. I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed, and I just started screaming. They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. But these aren't stories about what's taken from them. There's stories about what it takes to make it out alive.

Listen to the Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If your bookshelf and your for you page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. This is Prose Society, the weekly podcast that's part bookbookbook. Club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks pride and prejudice and love island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo and every week we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having. I'm going to have to look up this story. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. From bestselling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest pop culture moments, nothing is off the table.

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bring me a ride on his motorcycle. I chose option B. I'm Julie Pinheiro, and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. I'm on a mission to reclaim the word solita, trading the pity for possibility. Every time I tried to be alone, I kept meeting people, and they were like, you smiled at us. Not a lot of people smile around here. It's when you're alone that you're most receptive to the world as it is, and not the lies you're sold about it. It can be a time where you push your limits, change your mind, or wake up to a new version of yourself. So whether you're a solo travel veteran or you're too nervous to book your first trip, I hope you listen to Solita on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

get your podcasts. My favorite duo, says Tina from San Diego. Thanks, Tina. Okay, I started dating someone a few months ago who checks every box, but he's never been in a serious relationship before. Sometimes I can't tell me he's taking things slowly because he's cautious or because he's unsure about me. How do you know the difference between someone protecting their heart and someone who's just not fully invested? The first thing that comes to my mind, as she says, he's never been in a serious relationship before. He doesn't know the rules. I think he's just going living it, like as it comes.

He's never been in a serious relationship. So why does it have to be he's, what is her complaint? It sounds like he's taking things a bit too slowly for her. Okay. I mean, I'm not sure. Here's the thing. There's always information that we don't have. I know.

I want to dig. So people, when you write in, give us like, We need to know your ages. We need to know, you know. What is he not doing? What's too slow for her? I don't get it. I mean, if you're 35 and you want a baby and he's saying, you know, I want a date for five years, that might be a problem.

But if you're 23, then taking it slowly is well advised. Is it that he didn't say, I love you yet? Is he not talking about future? I'm sorry, Susan, they've been dating a few months. They've been dating a few months. I think she should just breathe and communicate a little once again, my favorite word. No, it's not communicate. She's to slow her role. They've been dating two months. You're communicating just fine, sweetie. A few months ago, yeah. He just needs to slow your role. He checks every box. You need to be patient. Exactly. If he's checking all the boxes, give him son. To give him time.

Take a breath. See where it goes. There's nothing more unattracted, in my opinion, than pushing someone saying, well, do you want to do? Now, it's funny we're having this question, Susan, because I had a guy that I had two dates with recently that I really enjoyed, and he ghosted me. He said he really enjoyed it, wanted to see me again, and then boom. And I had said to the guy, hey, you know, if you're interested, as he said he is or was,

don't wait 10 days because that doesn't feel good. And Susan was saying, Nine. Yeah. I'm sorry, nine. And Susan was saying, you know, it's brand new. And I said, no, if he's not interested in the beginning at my age. Now, if I were your age, Tina, let's just say in your 20s and you don't hear from him for nine days or whatever, that's not a big deal.

He's beginning life. But at my age, I'm not sitting right around. I think it's a big deal even in 20s. I think that's long. And I'm not saying that's what the issue. My second thought. you know. Anyway, Tina, relax.

He sounds like a great guy. Let us know what happens. And for the rest of you, please, we love hearing from you. You can submit your burning questions, your burning comments, your opinions. We want to hear it all. All you have to do is go to bachelornation.com slash golden hour. Come back each week and you may be surprised. You may be getting the answer to the burning question.

I might be hearing your question out there. And Tina, from me, he changed. all the boxes, just relax. Yeah, that's... All righty. Now, the in-law game, Kathy, this week, we're going to switch it up, where we have to finish the sentence, okay?

Yeah. And they all have to do with in-laws. I can hardly wait. You know you have a monster-in-law when... Finish? Go ahead. when she disagrees with every single suggestion you have. A suggestion about what? Anything. I would say you know you of a monstron-in-law

when they are telling you what to do all the time. Okay. All right. The one thing a mother-in-law should never say is my son and I are very close. We talk every day on the phone. What do you say? I don't know.

The one thing a mother-in-law should never say. Or, or my son. Oh, wait, I got one more. Oh, that's bad. How about this one? The one thing a mother-in-law should never say is, my son is never wrong. Oh, God.

All right. I knew I had to set a balance. When? My monster-in-law was telling me how to run my family, treat my husband and raise my children.

That's good. That's good. Go ahead. Go to the next one. The secret to getting along with your in-laws is they live in Ethiopia and I live in Texas. The secret to getting along with your mother-in-law is

be kind from day one and always make her feel special. Make your mother-in-law always feel special? Absolutely. I would always bring flowers or food or... I did all that stuff too. I took her up for lunch. I paid for it. She doesn't like me.

Okay. If my mother-in-law ever said blank, we'd have a problem. If my mother-in-law ever said, you're wrong, Susan. and my son is right, we'd have a problem. If my mother-in-law ever said, you're not good enough for my son. Ooh, yeah, that's a good one. The best thing an in-law can do is

stay in their lane. They said, love us up, that's it. Stay in their lane. Okay. Now that I'm older, I realize my mother-in-law was right about. Oh, now that I'm older, I realized that my mother-in-law was right. About, for me, how wonderful grandchildren can be and how much time I want to spend.

Oh, I like that one, Kathy. That was beautiful. Even though she gave them cookies at 4 o'clock. Oh, God, this was so much fun. I mean, I've got, we got a, next one's got to be a much more positive one because I feel like all I did was bitch and moan about my in-laws. And they did have, I didn't, I didn't have in-law issues. Yeah. I mean, they had their good, they had their, you know, their good sides. Like we all do, they had their shortcomings and I have mine too. But, Kathy, there's plenty of people out there with nightmare monster in-laws.

They really are. And it's a struggle on a marriage. It really is, especially when those two love each other. And it's more to me from what I hear or see through my life. It's the men. the sons that have to choose and they don't want to choose. It's some edible complex or something. It's like the mother's giving up their boys to another one.

You know, look, my oldest son is gay, so that's not an issue. My second son, like, I don't have an issue. It's not letting your son go. To me, it's, I'm so thrilled that my son has found love and happiness and has his family. I'm celebrating that. I don't feel like I hate that expression, by the way. I tell myself, Chris, you are blessed that you found her. Yeah, I mean, I don't feel like I lost the son and gained a daughter.

Have you ever heard that one? I didn't lose a son. I gained a daughter, yes. You know, I just feel grateful that my kids have found people that they're happy with, that they love each other, they're healthy. I mean, that's our wish. That's our wish. Okay, well, thanks for joining us this week on

Golden Hour, make sure to rate, review, and subscribe wherever you listen to your podcast. And you can follow us on social media at Bachelor Happy Hour and at Bachelor Nation. And I have just had quite a few people say, I didn't hear it. I can't find your podcast. Okay, let's do it one more time. All you got to do to find us, wherever you get your podcasts, type in Bachelor Happy Hour. And then scroll down and you'll see a picture of Susan and me. Now, I know that if you're listening to this, you know how to find us. So help your friends find us and enjoy this as much as you do. Until next week, I have a great week.

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