Bachelor Happy Hour - Jenn’s Guys Are Bringing the Thunder!

Episode Date: July 23, 2024

Today on “Happy Hour,” Joe and Serena are breaking down all the drama from last night’s episode of “The Bachelorette”! We dive into the dates of this episode, including whether dropping relationship trauma is the go-to move this early on. Plus, who are the real tough guys of “The Bachelorette” Down Under? Then, we discuss the rising drama in the house, including where Joe and Serena think this will land the guys with Jenn. Tune in now to hear all this and more, and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey everyone. Welcome back to Bachelor. Happy Hour. I'm Joe. And I'm Serena. And we are here to recap episode three of Jen's season. Episode three already. I know. We're flying. Yeah. And you know, episode three was also action-packed as well. I know we said episode two was really good, but we're really keeping the ball rolling into episode three with all this boy drama. episode three started off a little more chill and that's how I kind of thought the episode was going to go and then all of a sudden it was like Royal Rumble

and like these Royal Rumble it's like a Royal Rumble. Yeah it's like a wrestling reference. Oh okay let's get ready to Rumble. I'm big into wrestling but it is a it's like a WWF reference Okay I'm into it. But I did go to a WWF show when I was like 14.

Really? Yeah. Is that age appropriate? I think so. I mean, whatever. I guess wrestling's not real. I never followed age-appropriate. Activities. Yeah. I did what I wanted when I wanted when I was a kid.

Wow, you're a cool kid. Look at you. Just a little rebel. Okay. So let's go. Let's get into this episode. It starts off with Spencer, who's been pretty quiet. Yep.

I don't think we've talked much about him. Nope. I did notice that his job is a pet. Portrait Entrepreneur. Yeah, I have some questions about that. Yeah, I'm not really sure what that is, but whatever. I mean, I'm not judging. You know what?

We don't have a pet, but I think a lot of people with pets would take their animal to get sketched or drawn or have a portrait done of them. Yeah. My aunt has one. Yeah, I think a lot of people do. And I could see us doing that. So maybe it's a booming business. Maybe it's a wildly successful business. Could be, especially if he doesn't have much competition.

but I will say yes Spencer one thing I did keep in mind with Spencer is the few guys well at least Grant who we interviewed had mentioned Spencer a few times which means he's one of the more likable guys in the house seems like a likable guy yeah he seems very chill because we're not getting that from a few of the guys at least but anyways most of the guys I would say are not that chill but Spencer's chill they do a helicopter date I'm going to be honest, this date activity fell a little flat for me. I feel like the helicopter dates need to be paired with something else.

Like a helicopter and a yacht or a helicopter and a beach day or do you know what I mean? Yeah, I do. Because when they're up there, it's hard to hear. And I feel like there's not a ton of talking. Yeah, I just, well, that's the thing. It's either because, yeah, I was going to say what this date lacks is conversation. Or just like activity. And I don't know if it's, I don't know if it's just because they're in a helicopter and it's loud or I don't know.

Maybe they don't have a lot of chemistry. That's what I'm thinking. It doesn't really seem like they do. I just think with the helicopter day, it ends up feeling like Jen and Spencer are sitting and talking in a helicopter and then cut to the night portion and they're sitting and talking at a table. Where he's just like, all right, now it's my time to open up and tell you that I've been cheated on. So. Yeah. He was engaged.

Yep. And they owned a home together, he said. And then he said he uncovered some things. He said two months before the wedding, she came back from a trip, packed her bag, was like, I need some time to thank. And went M.A. to the parents' house. Which I feel like I'm always deep in like these random sagas on TikTok these days. And I watched one recently about this girl that her fiancee, like, ended their engagement, like, right before their wedding. and I feel like it's always about cheating.

Yeah, I just, like, the way he, the way he phrased it was kind of like. He said, I uncovered. He said, I'm home alone. I'm thinking, I'm laying in bed. I'm thinking it's 3 a.m. And I uncover that she was cheating on me. And it's like, well, I don't think in the banks of your memory that information existed. I think that you maybe went through some of her shit.

Maybe, but we don't, we don't know that. No, we don't know that. I'm not accusing you of anything. Spencer. I'm just saying we're missing some pieces to the story on how you uncovered that she was cheating on you. Well, it also could have been like maybe he was having those feelings and thinking maybe she is potentially, maybe she was showing signs of potentially cheating on him. And then when they got some time apart, he started thinking and replaying back. Totally. Maybe he did put the pieces together in his own mind. Maybe he like had a weird feeling already and then

laying there he was like this doesn't add up and this doesn't add up and she said this so maybe he did but the way he said it like oh i uncover that she was cheating i was like wait i feel like we're missing something here now i will i will say i want your opinion on this right because when you go on a show like the bachelorette um it has been it's like it's usually works in your favor to open up about your past and be vulnerable totally because it's what connects you and it's like if you get the one-on-one time early on you should do it then I don't know if I agree with that because I feel like it's early it's early in Jen's process and you're kind of dumping your past trauma on to her at the very peak

at the very peak at the very beginning of forming a relationship with this person. Yeah, but I also think it's hard when you're an early one-on-one because with his story, for example, I feel like it's relevant because it's his dating history and we're on a dating show. Yeah, but if she asks. Yeah, I'm sure she did though.

I'm sure she said, like, tell me about, you know, your past relationship. I don't know. I don't think we saw. I think he kind of just... You think she didn't ask about his past relationship? I think he was just like, I want to bring something up. But I think that's okay too.

Yeah? Like to lay it out there. I don't know. This story particular, I think makes total sense for him to share on this one-on-one date of like I was engaged and I found and she was cheating on me and the relationship ended. You know, like, I think that's very relevant when you're going into a new serious relationship. But I also understand what you're saying. I mean, like there was things I didn't even tell you until we got off the show. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I also think I forget because I've been so, I'm so far removed, but how fast things move in Bachelor. do and you also just never know when you're going to get that kind of undivided time again and he's probably thinking like this is a big story a big part of my life and something that I've gone through and I don't want to have the anxiety of am I going to get interrupted if I'm telling her this on a group date so there is comfort in like having control over the space and the conversation

well I think he did the right thing yeah and she seemed to be she seemed to enjoy the fact that he opened up. But I will say I don't really like if like I don't really see sparks flying. Yeah. But what I what Jen seems. They seem very comfortable with each other but it doesn't yeah sparks aren't necessarily flying for me either. What Jen seems to be into is the aggressor. Yes. That's like that's she likes to be aggressively pursued. Yeah. At this point like that is because those are the the few guys that are being more aggressive, um, which we we see, uh, moving for we're going on to.

And you can see sexual chemistry is like high on her list. Yeah, we're going to the group date. And we see like Sam M is doing interviews where I think he thinks he's on a different show. I think he thinks he's on like the ultimate fighter or something because I'm very confused. He is really, he's very angry, I will say. in a lot of these interviews. Hates Devin. Hates Devin.

Sam M. literally hates Devin so much. And he claims to love Jen. We're getting another interview of a guy being like, it's going to be me and her. I can't see her with anyone else. I'm leaving here with this girl. And I always want to be like, let's get to know her first.

Yeah. Let's share a few more makeouts. Let's ask a few more questions. Let's do literally anything together because you don't know her at this point. And she doesn't know you. All these guys, so many of them are like, that's my wife. I'm leaving here engaged to Jen.

I can't see her with any of these other guys. And it's like, guys, you literally don't know this girl yet. Let's take a breath. Okay? It's a lot. I get it. The show's a lot. But it feels like in a long time, this is the first time in a long time that we're getting.

It just, it seems really much like a competition and a fucking pissing contest amongst these guys. where it's like, you know, you could lose the tough guy act because you just went on a show about falling in love in being vulnerable. So like the tough guy, I think, could just leave it at the door. Yeah. Yeah. We don't, it's, it's unnecessary here. It doesn't work in your favor.

Yeah. And last week, we did say Devin is exuding that I'm a competitor energy and this is a competition and I want to win. And I feel like Sam M. we're seeing that from him this week, but double. But also in Sam M's defense, Jen seems to be really into him. Yeah. So she does seem really into him.

So it's like if it may be in his head, he's like, well, I'm just going to keep stepping on the gas because she's into it. And my goal is her. Yeah. And I agree with that. Like he might be like I'm getting positive feedback from this aggressive approach. So it was Devin last week from Jen. So if that, if they're reading the room, it's like, okay, well, I'm going to take that approach because that seems to be what's working. Yeah.

The thing with Sam M and Jen is I've yet to see like an emotional connection between them. They just seem to have major sexual chemistry. Yeah. So I'm waiting for that to kind of arise as well. Yeah. And Sam M keeps saying, let the main thing be the main thing. The main thing will say the main thing. It's like it is what it is.

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realize it was in Vegas, too. Yeah. But they're in an auditorium, and there's guys stripping, so we all know that the guys are now going to strip. And, yeah, like, who, I mean, who stood out to you for this? It's not, like, the guys having to perform, I would really, truly hate that. Like, this is also, like, one of my nightmares. Yeah, you would hate this so much.

I hate the faking energy in, and that. but it doesn't mean they're faking it it just might be more their thing than your thing yeah I'm saying I would I would have to fake it yeah I would have to fake it yeah I would have to fake I thought this was a fun competition if I was Jen I'd be like this is fun

yeah and I think a lot of a lot of the guys made it made it fun I would say Devin actually ended up doing really well because he was somebody that was more nervous and I thought he was funny he stood out to me for sure in this competition because yeah he didn't take it that the thing is with these

the person to me that always stands out the most is a person that doesn't take it that seriously or puts their own personal spin on the competition and I think Devin did both of those things which is why he was memorable But Jonathan won the fireman which I think he's...

I love Jonathan. He's great. He's so great. Yeah, you're not getting any drama around him. He seems very likable. He seems to get along with everyone. He's handsome. Like I do, I do really like him. Yeah, he's great.

But we have to talk about the other Sam, Sam N, who is our guest later this week. So make sure you check that out because we're going to be interviewing him. He had one of the more awkward catwalks because he stopped it in such an aggressive way. You know, it was like, stop the music, stop the music. And I thought it was going to be like, hold up remix. Yeah, me too, me too. And then he was going to come with a different style. I was like, oh, this is like, oh, this is fun.

I thought when no music started and they handed him a mic, I thought he was going to sing because I think he'd mentioned like being in choir or something. So I was like, maybe he's going to like rap or sing or like do a little flirty strip tease with the mic. I don't know, but I don't think anyone was expecting this. Yeah, okay. No, I mean, no, I mean, you guys. saw it if you watched the episode. Obviously, you're listening to the recap because you most likely watched the episode.

But yeah, he kind of just like decides to bear it all in a different way. That's how he presented it. So instead of like physically bearing it all, he decided to emotionally bear it all, which I think is a really nice sentiment. Yeah, listen, I think if he just didn't say, hey, Jen, I'm falling in love with you and then kind of just drop the mic and walk off. it would have still been okay. Watching him, I felt anxiety through the screen and what I truly think happened. Because we see him, he like gets hurt when they were like practicing. And you could just tell he's really uncomfortable with the challenge.

He's extremely uncomfortable. And I think he was so uncomfortable. And then he felt that he had to perform at such a high level, didn't know what to do. It was probably embarrassed shy stage fright, came up with this idea. didn't really land it, was in his head as he was performing it in speaking, and fell apart, word vomited, through the love word out there, and that instantly probably felt awful and embarrassed and walked off stage. And it also didn't help because a lot of the guys you see Sam M. and Thomas are kind of like laughing. It seems like guys are making fun of him.

Do you think he went out there planning to say, I'm falling in love with you? Or do you think it just came out? I think he, I think in his head, it just went a little differently. I think, I think his vision for the moment and his plan did not align with the execution and the response that he got. Like, I think he pictured it one way. And he went out with the best of intent. and it just didn't quite land. Definitely.

I mean, I think this reminded me of like a limo entrance that goes really bad. Yes. But I think that's what it is. It's like the buildup just became so heavy for him. And then he fell apart. And he's like, I'm going to say this.

It's more in my comfort zone to like bear my feelings. He seems like a sensitive guy. It's in line with his personality. It's going to make him stand out. And I think when he said it and the response, fell flat, it was like, oh my God, like my heart sank a little bit for him. And I don't think there's anything wrong with what he did. If I could tweak one thing, I would maybe say, hold that I'm falling in love with you for a one-on-one chat. Because I think that everyone was

so caught of guard by that, that it kind of buried all the nice things that he said prior to it. Do you know what I mean? Like, I think if he just went, it was like, I want to bear my soul and just like talked about his feelings for Jen in this process and was like Jen, I'm here for you. I'm bearing it all like body, mind and spirit. Like I think the, and he may have meant, he needed to tie a bow on it and the I'm falling in love with you just didn't do it. He may have meant to say like I could see myself falling in love with you. He may have like missed the word. I feel like he meant to say what he said. I will say this. When I was on Dancing with the Stars, I used to get a lot of like pushback from

producers of like you have to be more chatty after the dance because you're on like a fucking television show so so you're like Aaron Andrews is interviewing you have to have a little more to say but I would just be such a mess after those dances because I was so in my head I just I had such bad stage fright I couldn't really do it and I prep something before in the trailer before the one dance and I was like I'm going to say like I'm just so um I'm so thankful and happy that all of my fans from Mexico to the United States. I don't know what I was thinking. I was also probably had a few too many drinks at the time.

Who did you run this by? No one. No one. This is too long in the trailer. But anyways, I'm like my fans from Mexico to the United States. And then when Aaron Andrews interviewed me, I said, I want to thank all my fans. from New Mexico and then I stopped talking

and I remember Alan looked at me he said who do you know in New Mexico? It was one of the craziest things yeah it was one of the

crazy things that ever came out of my mouth and I remember I think that was the turning point for me I think that was the turning point for me when I actually truly started

becoming more comfortable in front of the camera and like stop Carrie because I was like that's kind of as bad as it's going to gag so kind of what definitely not good.

Yeah, kind of went up from there. Oh, my gosh. But yeah, I ask Alan the story because he tells it. I will. I definitely will. Oh, my God. It's like I grabbed the bike and I'm like, shout out to New Mexico. And I never even been to New Mexico at that time.

But anyways, yeah. So I do feel. Sam, man, what Joe's trying to say is we've all been there. Everyone has a story where they plan to say something. It doesn't quite land. It's okay. But you know what? I was taken aback by the dude's response to it.

It's one thing for there to be like an awkward silence, but there was definitely some serious like snickering going on. And like, yeah, that's bullshit. I hate that shit. Embarrassment is such a hard feeling. It is such a horrible feeling to feel embarrassed. And like to add on to someone's embarrassment by laughing at them just makes me feel really sad. And it's like at the end of the day, you guys all look like idiots. Like it's fun.

You're all tearing your shirt off and helping the stage. Like you're not like out here like I know you all think you look sick But like everyone's doing something a little bit silly Like his may have just not gone quite as well as yours But it's like Who are you to sit there on your stool on stage and like laugh at the guy? I don't know. It made me sad. It made me sad for Sam and then we see Thomas and Sam

Basically laughing at him after the competition And then you see Devin sticks up for him So I feel like this is a redemption moment for Devin. of like he's now like the leader of sticking up for people who are getting bullied. Okay. Well, that's a stretch. He's stuck up for one person. He's not leading anything.

Yeah, but like he does get credit for this moment for sure where Sam M, oh my God, Sam N and Sam M. I mean, really, they had to do Sam M and Sam N. I know. It's like the last initial pronunciation is also just so similar to one another. Or Sammy. Or Sammy, like literally anything else but this. But Sam N for those.

of you listening is the one that said I'm falling in love with you. And Sam M is the one that is the competitor slash giggling at Sam N. And Thomas too. And Thomas N. Actually, Thomas N can just be Thomas now because Thomas A went home this week. Sorry Thomas A,

you're gone. So Thomas is just Thomas. And Devin sticks up for him. So I thought that was a good moment for Devin. That was a great moment because Sam N stands up. And you can tell he's trying to confront the situation of basically he's like apologizing for. at almost and Devin basically says look dude don't apologize like if that's how you feel like own your feelings you did nothing wrong like like these guys shouldn't be laughing at you like everyone

needs to mind their own business and I feel like this this group they're like all taking this shit like so seriously like it's like yes and no like in some ways so seriously and other ways not serious enough yeah it's weird I I'm almost like we need uh we need to we need to go back to the days of the Greg and Andrews where they're where they all become best friends in the world and they're having fun because like these guys are actually making it to where it's like

all right like fucking I mean I'm sure some of them are friends yeah like we're really just seeing the animosity but I'm sure some of them get along it seems it seems to be just so aggressive like so early on like you usually get this I feel like we get this more like midseason yeah usually it's like there's

a few people that don't get along and like a straw breaks the camel's back in the middle of the season and they lose it on each other. But right at the gate, I mean, Sam M and Devin, after Devin stands up for Sam N, are, like, immediately going at each other. Devin, I can totally understand as a controversial character and, like, is going to rub some people the wrong way. But he also kind of seems like a you do you, all do me kind of person.

Sam M is so bothered by Devin. And they're just going at each other. And they're talking about mutual respect and, you know, I don't even, I don't even know what they're saying it's just like a bunch of nonsense at this point but it's not a good luck no no it's it's a bad it's a bad look all around but now it is becoming i would say sam m is now starting to just like it's like okay like peel it back a little bit because sam em is starting to instigate fights yeah he's like going out of his way to start arguments and then we see at the end of the group date devon gets the rose because he actually has a really good conversation with Jen

and Sam M's like openly mocking him like not even trying to hide it like he's like trying to piss off Devin I'm curious to see if he peels it back moving forward because he might just be having one of those weeks it could just be this episode yeah maybe you know the jet lags hitting him hard and he's just on the

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Listen to America's Crime Lab on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, so then we see Aaron has a conversation with what seems to be somebody from the Air Force. It always jars me when I see a phone on the show. When I see a contestant with a piece of technology, I'm like, whoa, what is going on? And basically, it seems like his boss or whoever it is for who hires for the Air Force gives him an ultimatum of like, you could have the job. You've got to be back here in a week. If you're not here, it goes to somebody else.

Yeah. I'm assuming it's a high demand job. He says it's his dream. Yeah, it's like the training for. Yeah. So, and he's a very, like knowing his brother, his twin brother, they really seem to be quite opposite. And Noah is a lot like, and I'm not saying Aaron isn't, but Noah's like fun and easygoing. Noah's just very carefree.

Yeah. He's a very, like, carefree spirit to him. Where Aaron definitely is more of. an intense, serious dude. Yeah. That's kind of what I get, at least from what I'm seeing in the show. But he is one of the guys on a group date of only four guys, which is strange. So weird.

Never seen this. It's Jeremy. Who's on this? Jeremy. Hakeem, Aaron. Austin. Yep. Race card date.

Nothing crazy. I actually thought Aaron was going to win, but Austin won. Jeremy, like, stopped the car and did like a little makeout sash. Yeah. Jeremy, I actually... He shined on the state. Yeah, and I really like him, and I think she really likes him. And he does get the group date rows, which then in turn, we kind of see Erin, like, this was my last chance to see if there was something really there.

I didn't get enough time. So for that reason, I'm going to go follow my dreams, which I totally respect that. I think he made the right move. And I think by not enough time, he meant, like, it's only week three. I just am not at the place where, like, I'm feeling like I can't lose this girl. I think he made the right decision too. Oh, he definitely made the right decision. And I think he went into the date.

Like, if this really goes well and like we really hit it off and I get a lot of time in that time, something forms, maybe that'll change my mind. Yeah. He seemed to really go into the day open-minded to Jen and using that time intentionally to help make his decision. And it just seemed like the decision he made was. that he needed to leave and go follow his dream, which I think is amazing. I'm actually, I was like so happy for him when he got the call. He makes that decision, but before he does, well, Jeremy gets the group date rose. Yeah.

Then Aaron talks to Jen and basically tells her, like, I'm out. But before he leaves. Well, he talks to Jen at the cocktail party for the rose ceremony, the following night. Yeah. Yeah. That's where I'm at now. So he basically says, like, I'm out, which everything was fine. And then before he leaves, he says, but I just want to let you know,

There are some guys here that are not here for the right reasons. He said, aren't ready and or aren't here for the right reasons. He doubled down. Which is always like... It's hard. It's always a stretch because the truth is anyone who is not there for let's call it the right reasons, which would probably be like, I am on The Bachelorette to gain a social media following. or to become something in entertainment, right?

Yeah. If that's the case and that person says that, most likely the show airs that. Yeah, or Aaron's saying, yo, so-and-so said that they're just here for social media or they're here for other opportunities and they're not here for you. I think Aaron's comparing some of the other guys who are not as mature as him and basically saying, well, if they're not as mature as I am, they can't be ready for a serious relationship or an engagement, which that's not really true.

Yeah. I go back to what I said the last episode about Aaron is he kind of seems like a guy that's quite black and white, which is totally fine. And I actually do believe he is someone that is ready. Like, he seems like he takes this process very seriously. He is ready for commitment. And, like, I believe that about him. But it is hard when you go to the lead and you say these things.

And obviously, like, I feel like we have a little bit more sympathy and perspective because we've talked to a lot of leads about what that does to their mental state to say, like, hey, I think he saw it was an act of protection for Jen and, like, a warning. But for her, it's like something that's already nerve-wracking and, like, If you're not going to name names, then, like, she's just out here talking to all these people with a little bit of an extra guard up and, like, questioning intentions. And that's a hard place to be in for her as well. So it's just a bit of a messy situation.

I don't think he had any ill intent. If anything, I think he had good intention with what he was doing. But, again, I think it, the landing wasn't quite there. Yeah, no. I agree. It ends up kind of stirring the pot, which I, always makes for good TV. She,

yeah, she freaks out. And then she basically tells, like, the guys, if you're not here for the right reasons, like fucking figure your shit out. And then she pulls Marcus and talks to him. That was a great speech. She was like, Marcus,

you want to go talk? Marcus, I really like. He's great. He's here for, like, there's no doubt that dude's here for the right reason. It's not even that.

Like, he's just cool. Like, he's laid back. He, he seems to just be like in his own, like, doing his own thing. Like, there's some guys, like, you could, you could already tell.

It's like, Jeremy. Grant who we just interviewed. Spencer. Marcus, there seems to be guys that are just more, like the guys that are a little more reserved than quiet at this point are probably just like. More laid back. Well, you said when we were watching it, you're like, there's a lot of guys on this season trying to act like tough guys.

And it's the guys that are more laid back that are probably actually the tough guys. Marcus is in the military. Like, he's, Aaron is, isn't he in the military too? He was going for pilot training for. the Air Force, I believe. Yeah. Yeah. But anyways, yeah, I like Marcus. I think he's another, I think he's a front runner.

He got the first Rose at the Rose Ceremony, too, which I feel like is always a good sign. Yeah. And then Sam M. Sam M. I know. I know. It's terrible. Sam M in her talk. And like him or dislike him, because he's definitely a polarizing character around this show. She really likes it.

Yeah. And I actually thought what he's said when she asked, did my speech scare you at all or rattle you? And he was like, no, because I know that those things don't apply to me. I know that I'm here for the right reasons. And I know that I'm ready for this commitment. I actually thought that was like a good response to what she just said. It was his only response. It was a good response. And then Jen, we see her interview basically say like, you can't fake passion or sincerity. But like, yeah, you could. Like what are you talking about? You fake it. Like people fake. It's acting. Like actors do it, soft porn, porn in general.

Fuck boys on a regular basis or faking sincerity. Yeah, watch another reality show. Jen seems to be quite a trusting person. Yeah. Which is a great quality. But I worry for her when I'm seeing the way that these guys are acting behind the scenes. Yeah, you can't fake passion.

Oh, yeah. You could pretty much fake anything. I think she is looking at it. from a place of she can't fake passion. You know? She can't fake it. I'm not going to lie. I'm a little worried about Jen's picker.

Jen's picker is a little janky right now. I won't lie, but it doesn't mean that she can't get back on track. You know, we're only week three. There's still time for her. And you know what? There's some guys that we like that she likes. So we'll have to see. I'm curious to see where her top four falls.

Because it seems like there's a lot of guys that she likes right now. You lost someone in your top four, which was Aaron Erb. And I lost someone in my top four predictions, which was Thomas A. So we're both down to three people. Yeah, the Canadian left and so did the Chicago guy, Hakeem, who we really liked. I know. I liked him. He had some funny interviews, too.

Oh, I did enjoy. The last thing I will say is I did enjoy when Spencer told everyone to chill when all the guys were arguing. And it was kind of like, I was like, thank God somebody said something because what the fuck, right? These guys got to chill. they can't like have a drink fucking if you don't drink have a non-alcoholic drink chill out like yeah this is getting crazy yeah we don't have there's some seriously not chill dudes on this season it's not that serious it's just reality tv but anyways i don't know what you think i just think that like they need to take the romances less seriously and the conflict between the dudes and like

these pre-planned, you know, we're going to get time first and you guys are going to fight and I hate you and I'm her favorite, blah, blah, blah. Like the dynamic between the guys, they need to take that less seriously and they need to take their time with Jen more serious. They just need to focus on that. I'm not saying that they're not taking advantage of their time with Jen. They actually all seem very into Jen and all the chats that we've been seeing seem to be going really well.

So maybe it's not about seriousness Maybe they just all need to mellow out Like send them to a spa for a date or something Yeah that's what I said They got to chill out It's just not that serious But yeah that's it That's that's the recap for episode three

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