Bachelor Happy Hour - Jenn’s Taking the Lead

Episode Date: July 16, 2024

Today on “Happy Hour,” Joe and Serena are back to recap this week’s episode of “The Bachelorette.” We’ve got our first big drama and dates of the season starting off strong, and we’re ready to unpack it all! We kick off today’s episode getting into the Devin and Aaron group date drama: Did Devin’s quick move do more harm than good? Then, we dive into Jenn’s first one-on-one with Marcus and where Joe and Serena see their connection going. And, of course, we cover the rest of this episode’s drama — from #IceCreamGate to Thomas N.’s never-before-seen move, Joe and Serena are breaking it all down! Tune in now to hear all this and more, and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I was actually really happy with it. This was one of the more eventful second episodes that we've seen in a while. because I feel like the drama that we were seeing in this episode is usually like week four, week five stuff. So we're jiving. We're diving. We're diving. We're diving and we're diving right into it. Well, I really like Jen in this episode.

I would say the first episode, she was still giving me more like contestant vibes where this one I was like, all right, she's the lead. She's running the show. Yeah, I think she definitely had some nerves that were poking through on night one. but she seems way more comfortable. It's also just got to be, she's had a few days of travel to like settle into the role, process everything.

And now she's going on dates with guys that she's already met. So there is this little bit of familiarity with them, which has to make everything feel a little bit more relaxing than just banging out one after another strangers in your face.

That sounded perverted. I know. That wasn't the best way to phrase. But you know what I mean? you know guys coming out of the level one after another so we are in melbourne australia which is very cool i love the setting um i am somebody that watches shows and when they're in pretty picturesque places i enjoy it even more yeah i i didn't actually think about it until now i was like this is so cool they're in australia except for aaron's interviews because they got him

literally interviewing in front of a garage. I don't know. What? Yeah. It was just something I noticed. That's so funny. But no, I liked the we two travel. Me too.

Me too. I also think the jet lag makes everyone a little bit more emotional on edge, which is entertaining for us. Yeah. I was actually surprised that right away we get a lot of the guys going at it. Multiple, too. It wasn't just like two guys. It was like multiple guys involved.

Yeah. So let's set it up. We are going on a group date. Yep. We have 18 guys traveling with Jen. Group date number one. We have eight guys on this group date, which is actually a pretty reasonable size for the first group date.

I remember there being like a ton of girls on my first group day. I can't remember how many. But it was like there was like 16 of us or something huge. Well, this one, they go into a food market and they try. What do they try? They try to veggie mite. Am I saying it right? Vegemite?

Vegemite. Vegemite. It's either veggie mite or vegemite, but it's gross. What is it made of again? I forget, but it's whatever it is, it is. They described it as soy sauce, like, Nutella or soy sauce peanut butter or something like that. It's gross. I know that.

Where did you have it? I never had it, but I do. But how do you know it's gross then? I've watched videos. I, because I don't, I can't recall what's in it, but I know when I heard it, it's absolutely disgusting. They had Vegemite and then they had a whiskey shot and then they chased it with kangaroo testicles.

I was going to say reindeer testicles. Rangaroo testicles. Okay. That's the North Pole. So my question to you is if you were on that date, would you try kangaroo testicles? Okay, wait, before we get into the testes, so Vegemite is a thick, dark brown salty, savory Australian food spread

made from leftover brewer's yeast extract. It's a source of B vitamins and folate and it doesn't sound great. That's it. The end. Wow, you didn't like that I did that, do you? I can just see you irritated right now. I'm trying to inform the people.

Throw it off my flow here. Maybe people are curious about what's in it. Okay, so would you try kangaroo balls? No, I wouldn't. And you know what? I would like to consider myself an adventurous eater. I would say I'll try a lot of things. I have a good palate.

I eat all different types of cuisines. I don't want to try any balls. I don't want to try eyeballs. I don't want to try testicle balls. I don't want to try any, like, parts that aren't just like a thigh, like a chicken thigh or a rib. So you'd rather have a thigh than a ball? Sure. Wouldn't you a chicken thigh over a chicken bowl?

I agree. But would you try, they tried it and didn't know what it was. See, that was even crazier to me. me than them trying it. Like, knowing what it is and trying it is one thing. Like, kudos to you. You're more adventurous than I am. Them all being like, yeah, no biggie.

I'll just chase this whiskey shot with whatever they just handed me in this cup, no questions asked, is slightly psychotic. I think that my nut allergy plays a role into this because I, as someone with a severe allergy, basically never ever eat anything or drink anything without asking what it is first. it's now just like a habit and a routine of mine too so I would just never be like let me just eat this and not ask what it is or what's in it I feel like if I was there because it's because it's a populated food market I know I'm not gonna most likely I'm not even get sick from it so I trust like the quality of whatever I would be willing to try it but would you try it without question like you would do the whiskey shot and then immediately but you know what I think it was so if you saw how they handed them the shots there was a glass there was two two glasses stacked. So they pulled the top shot glass out, which was the whiskey shot. And then they chased it, which with what was in the other glass, I'm pretty sure. So I don't think they mentally like got to the other glass before they were like, oh, I guess it's, you know, this is part two

of the shot. Yeah. I would have done it. I mean, I stuck my head in a box of cockroaches. Would you have asked or would you just done it? I would have just went with the flow. And then when you found out it was kangaroo testicles, how would you have felt? Oh, I would have been like that was, that was gross. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So the first, so we see the big drama of this group date is we see Devin pull Jen to the side to get ice cream, which I don't think we've ever really seen this on a group date.

No, because it's definitely common for people to like try to steal a moment or try to have like a little private. one-on-one moment to the side. But I've never seen someone be like, let me pull you around the corner out of the market for like some serious solo time. Away from the group. Like a way away from the group. And it wasn't even like,

let me just like sneak you away here to make out. It was like I have this whole thing planned. And on top of it, it's week two. Like I feel like there's a little more leniency with stuff like that when it's like you're getting close to hometowns. Like it's very early on. Yeah, but... Okay.

But can you... Do you disagree with it? Um... I don't know if I disagree with it. I think it's a bit of a great area, but I would not have done that. Okay, but if you were the lead, would that be a turnoff for you?

It wouldn't be a turnoff at all, but it would be very telling of that person. Okay. Because I think to be Devin and do that, you have to be okay with potentially pissing off the other guys and drawing some serious attention to yourself, whether it's positive or negative.

And that's just not really my vibe. Like I would, I just wouldn't feel comfortable doing it. So we recapped a bunch of the older seasons. And I do think the dynamic in the house back then, nobody really cared about pissing off the other men or other women in the house. It was kind of just like, I just want to get time with the lead. Where

seasons nowadays, I feel like people are more like, let's be buddy. You see like all the guys hang out, all the girls hang out after the show. There's guy trips. There's girl trips. I personally, I don't think, I think he made the right move.

See, I don't know. It'll be like a time we'll tell situation because it's kind of like dobbler, Dom, or theory. Like if she's really into him, she probably really liked it. But if she's not that into him, she's probably like, mm, this kind of, I want to go back to the guys. If she wasn't that into him, she would have probably shut it down. No, I don't think. So have you ever seen a lead shut someone down?

Yeah. Really? Like, I don't want to go get ice cream with you back off. Well, I think it was an easy. An easy out could have been, hey, we're on a group date. We can't do that right now. I've never seen a lead do that. I've never seen.

It's like, it's the same as. when people come to steal leads like I've never seen them be well that's not true sometimes they will stop them but it's not like they're like no I'm not going with you come back in an hour like they do kind of let the guys or the girls

whoever the contestants are like put themselves out there without shutting them down which I think is a good thing what do you think about how Aaron feels about Devin because that becomes throughout the first half of the show

So that's the theme of Aaron first step. And we could almost hop to after the group date, they do like, what is it, a cocktail hour or something with the guys? Yeah. Well, we can't skip out on the roast. Oh, the roast. But yeah, we do see Aaron getting pissed off about the ice cream thing. I would be a little turned off. If I was on the show and one of the girls' first group date that we've ever had pulls the dude, I'd be like, oh, okay.

like that's the game they're playing like noted but aaron just seems like a very black and white kind of person like this is what's right and this is what's wrong this is how you should act and this is how you shouldn't act and devon just seems like someone who kind of lives by his own rules his own code of conduct and is like look mind your business like you do you all do me like i don't care how you're acting you shouldn't care how i'm acting so they're just like so different from one another Well, we always, we know how this goes when when one person gets frustrated and infatuated with another person on the show, that becomes their Achilles heel because then they just end up getting lost in that and then not end up having a connection with the lead. 100%. Like it's very easy, I feel like for people to become like hyper fixated on another contestant. and it totally makes them lose, like, takes their off the prize.

So is Aaron Sidney and Devin Maria right now? Is that what's happening? Is Aaron Sydney and is Devin Maria? A little bit. I think there's definitely some similarities to the dynamic. But I don't think Aaron's like, I don't know. I don't think it's as like vicious as the Sydney Maria dynamic. Like there was a lot of conflict and conflict.

Well, not yet. I mean, this is only, this is only episode two. Okay, so we see... Could evolve into something similar, for sure. And then we see the roast. It's crazy because Aaron's like light hair and like... Oh, yes. And Devin like literally...

Oh, no. That's who they are. That is what's happening. That's crazy. We go to the roast where they all roast. It's basically a stand-ups. A comedian's doing stand-up. They all go and the guys basically are told they have to, you know, they have like 10 minutes

to prep and they have to perform. And, you know, that's kind of the temperature check right there of how the guys feel about Devin because every guy that we see goes up basically rips on Devin. 100%. But I also think he just made himself an easy target. Yeah, but as a viewer, it's hard not to actually like him because I feel like he's handling all the conflict pretty well. Like even like all the guys are making fun of him, he's laughing, he's not getting like

in it. It's kind of like you're almost kind of rooting for him a little bit. He to me seems like the guy that likes to be in that kind of position, though. Yeah, but so what? No, there's nothing wrong with that. I'm just saying, like, I don't, I think that, like, he is okay with being this, like, polarizing personality. For sure. And I feel like there's a part of him that maybe likes that.

And the guy's ripping into him, I mean, A, he seems like he has a good sense of humor and he can laugh at himself, which is a good quality. But B, I think he like knows who he is and he's okay that he's kind of like riled the group up a little bit. If anything, I think he's probably like enjoying it. Do you know what I mean? Like he's like, yeah, guys, like I took her to go to ice cream. I spent a bunch of one-on-one time with her.

Like, you're all jealous. Now you're all poking fun at me. Like, it's all good. You know? Devon's doing what he came here to do. If you're Jen and you are, you are starting to pick up on this. You're obviously,

you're sitting there listening to all this. What is your take on Devin right now? Are you more attracted or less attracted? Because I feel like this makes him. I feel like this makes him more attractive to Jen. I also just think like Jen throughout so many parts of this date has learned so much more about Devin than any other guy. True.

By like himself, him putting himself out there, him pulling her aside. Like a lot of his actions have been very showing of who he is and the kind of guy he is. And also now the guy's all roasting him, like how he takes that. It kind of like is telling of the dynamic in the house. The guys maybe like him, don't like him. Like there's a bit of spice there.

So I don't know if it makes, if I'm Jen, I don't know if I'm more or less attracted to him. But I definitely feel like I know him probably better than any of the other guys at this point, which is a positive. No matter what in this situation, that's a positive. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot.

He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's form. a professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating.

He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I never envision being with a woman.

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basically like I actually don't really have an issue with Devin it's just he kind of goes about everything like a jackass which which I also think is very similar that's why I keep when I even referred to him as Brayden last episode that was kind of similar to like the Brayden energy he did things um so yeah we're seeing that okay so but I will say if I'm Jen and all the guys are roast like everything Devin's down like this date, I think is catching Jen's eye in a good way. If I was the lead, I think it would make me like Devin more, but I don't know if I would take him as seriously, if that makes sense. But that's very personal to me and like what I look for in a guy. But I don't, I also

don't think, I don't know, I think when you're the lead at the beginning, there's so many guys, I don't think you really need to be concerned with who you have to take serious. I think it's all just about who's kind of standing out and who's making you laugh. In the beginning, sure. But I mean, like, it goes by so fast that to some extent you kind of always have to be like clocking those guys in the back of your mind of like, this guy's really exhibiting husband material. Or this guy's really exhibiting fun boyfriend material. There's guys exhibiting, you know, we have no connection. he's going to go home.

Okay, so we go to the night portion of the group date. We see her have some really great conversations with Grant and with Jonathan. But aside from Jen's time with the guys, we see Aaron and Devin get into it. And they basically have like a one-on-one chat where Devin, or no, Aaron says to Devin. She doesn't want to be with a boy. And the whole vibe of the chat is like Aaron's just pissed off at the way Devin's been acting. Yeah. Also, like, does he even know what Jen's type is and who Jen is even into at this point?

Yeah, that is a hundred percent thing. Like, maybe Jen does want to be with a boy. Like, you actually have no idea. Yeah. You don't know. I think that's done across the board with contestants, not just Aaron, where they really think, like, they know what the lead is looking for. And usually the archetype is something that resembles themselves. And that's so hard to not do in that environment.

but like you have to kind of scrap your assumptions of what this person is looking for and really figure it out because it might not be what you think it is. And I really will say like I feel like every lead has a different image of what it means to be like a great husband and a great partner. Yeah. Like there are obviously some crossovers but like Jen seems to be really into Devin. Like maybe that is what she's looking for. Maybe she does want this like playful young energy.

Yeah. And I actually think that that's kind of the vibe. I feel like Jen gave on Joey's season and kind of what I saw from her night one. What did you think of like the ice cream gate situation where Devin came in to steal Jen from Aaron and was like, hey man, I've got ice cream. Can I steal her?

And Aaron was like, no. And he was like, I wasn't asking. Yeah. And then Aaron came back and was like, can I steal her? And he was like I wasn't asking. I thought that was a bad look for both guys. Totally.

If I was Jen, I'd be like, this sucks. They should have just, They should have just called it quits after the first one. Let the first, I don't remember which guy stole her first, but just kind of be the bigger person in that situation because then it becomes just a pissing contest. And I thought they both looked bad. Yeah.

And it's awkward because Jen's just sitting there like, okay, you guys are just kind of bickering in front of me. This is really awkward. And they all kept saying, they both kept saying sorry to Jen. Like, sorry, this had to happen. It's like, okay, well then just like let's stop doing it. No, don't apologize to me. like keep this up and you guys are going to be the one that are story because it's going to ruin

our relationship. Yeah. Yeah. That was, yeah, bad luck. Bad luck for both guys. Yeah. So then we end off the night portion with Grant getting the group date rose. We are going to be having Grant on later this week for an exclusive interview on Bachelor Happy Hour. So be sure to tune in for that. And we're going to learn more about him, his time with Jen and kind of his taking all this drama in the house. So be sure to tune in. Yeah. I like Grant, and good for him to get that group date rows. And there you go. It's like those two guys may have been in front of Grant.

And by them bickering back and forth, they lose, they miss the opportunity. 100%. I really liked Grant and I really like to Jonathan on this group date. Definitely standouts in the best way. It was so weird seeing Jonathan because he was literally, we've only seen him in like a face bandage and a hospital again. down. So seeing him like fully dressed up with glasses talking to Jen. I was like this is such a switch. I also think they look really good together. Grant and Jen. No. Jonathan and Jen. Oh, sorry. Jonathan and Jen. Yeah, I agree. Okay. So then we go into the 101 date, the first one-on-one date, which goes to

Marcus. Skydiving date. I, you could tell she's really freaked out about it, which is great for Marcus because he is very comfortable jumping out of planes he was an army ranger um what oh no yeah i just just the the phrase comfortable jumping up planes i'm like that's so crazy like that anyone feels comfortable doing that but i know there's a lot of people out there that do yeah i mean there's people that skydive for a living he was kind of like he was very chill and i think that's i think that's beneficial to him because jen is internally and outwardly freaking out um but he i really like him I like him too Like it makes like when

When we watch this show like Guys that get the first dates It makes sense You're like okay this is actually It's going back to what you said She's taking this guy serious Yeah don't you think I think so for sure

I mean he's giving off serious energy And I feel like in return She's taking the relationship very seriously Yeah But I think they had a good conversation. He opens up the fact that he was an Army Ranger for eight years. He talks about his experience when he was deployed and his serious injury that he suffered due to a grenade. Yeah.

Honestly, that was an intense story. Like, oh my God. Yeah, very intense story. That, you know, it was him like being vulnerable and opening up, which he says he has a hard time doing. And yeah, I mean, I listened to that. I was like, I feel like I'm watching like American sniper or something. Like it was, that was a wild story. And yeah, whenever you get a chance on this show, I feel like to open up to the lead, do it.

Because you get that much closer. And now she probably feels so much more connected to him. Yeah, I think so. I think they had a good, it was a very good, solid first one-on-one date. All around. We're fans of Marcus, so I hope we see him for a while. They keep cutting, though, to back at the house. Oh, wait, no.

I'm trying to remember when we were jumping back to Aaron and Devin. Aaron and Devin were just sprinkled through this whole episode. But then we go to group date number two, which is the wildlife photo shoot. Yeah. Funny. This was a really funny date. I liked it overall. Me too.

My favorite guy was the spider guy. Yeah, Hakeem. He was so, but you know what? And he's from Schaumburg, Illinois, too. He was so brave. I loved him so much. I would also not want to have a spider like that in my body. When they were like, oh, by the way, it's probably going to try to crawl up your neck.

I was like, how about we find a way to make that not happen? I'm sure there's ways to prevent that. I'm certain there are options to have it not crawl into his face. Oh, so gross. Yeah. I mean, I would probably would. If I was him, I probably would have been like, nah. I'm not doing it.

I'm not doing it. But he, I really, I thought he handled it while. I thought he was so, I thought he was very funny, very personable. Yeah. I watched it. I was like, oh, I like him. And we didn't talk about him much after night one, but he was the guy that came in with all the balloons on his back. He came in with a big personality.

And yeah, he was definitely the highlight of this group day for sure. Yeah. Everyone else got these like cute little furry animals. Well, no. Well, what's his name who ends up getting the, The one-on-one. Dylan. Dylan.

I mean, he did, that was a massive snake. Okay, but he did it by choice. Okay, but still. I'm assuming he would not have volunteered to have the spider on him. Yeah, but would you have volunteered? To have the spider on me? Yeah. No.

To have the snake? I would take the snake over the spider for sure. Really? Yeah, I think so. Not me. Really? You take the spider? I mean, I wouldn't want either of them.

I've done the snake thing when I was a kid at some, like, Christmas party. at my dad's old office. I remember they had like a reptile situation going on and they had a snake there. What's a more intense, dangerous bite? It depends. Yeah, I guess it depends. But I don't think the snake was venomous.

I don't think they're going to wrap you up in a poisonous snake. No, they're not going to. But I think the snake... But you never know. I mean, what if the snake gets frustrating? I mean, snips at you. That's a really good snake noise. Thank you.

but alas hakeem does not get the extra time it goes to Dylan who we also love Dylan goes to get his one-on-one night portion with Jen and the rest of the guys sadly stroll back to

hotel so let's let's talk about this the Dylan conversation with Jen is fine I feel like I feel like we're going to see more of him yeah line so we don't need to dive into it too much I feel like they connected mostly on like family values and they definitely expressed having a lot of similarities and things in common.

Yeah, I just, I don't really know if there's a connection there if I'm going to be completely honest, watching it. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I never envisioned being with a woman. I'll just be honest.

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Like, it was never a princess. Like, that never entered into my mind. But, you know, as I learned, sometimes life gives you things wrapped in a package that you didn't expect it. And that was just, you know, and honestly, it took me a long time to be okay with myself. Make sure to listen to this week's episode of Spolitics on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Let's start with a quick puzzle. The answer is Ken Jennings' appearance on The Puzzler with A.J. Jacobs. The question is, what is the most entertaining listening experience in podcast land?

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any time with her today. Yeah, but it's like if you watch this show, if you watch this show, this happens all the time where a group of people don't end up getting time because something happens and their time gets cut.

But that doesn't mean it's not frustrating. That happened twice on our season, actually. It happened on the first group date where half the people went home and then it happened close to the end, closer to home tales, half the people got sent home, but then they ended up surprising them and bringing them. So it's fine. But it's not your, it's not your job or your responsibility or your fucking choice to really come in

the house and be like, hey, us eight guys didn't get time. We're going first because that's fair. Well, the show's not fair. Yeah. This isn't a union. The contestants don't like unionize and like organize themselves. It's like, this is a show. And at the end of the day, you'll get time when you get time.

And at the end of the day, it's a competition. Like, it's about, like, falling in love and ending up with the lead. It's not about, like, yo, like, boys, we got to respect each other. Like, you can respect each other. You can respect each other, but you are also still. Yeah, but you are also still competing. I don't know. I just, to me, it was the first time I think we've ever even seen that on a show where it's like,

yo, like, you guys let us have our time. And I don't know, just not really. If I was in their shoes, I'd go back to my room with my roommate and I'd be like, the balls on those guys to ask me to sit back for a few hours, well, they all get time. That's kind of like Dickie, but I'm definitely not going to be one of the first three, four guys to talk to her because I don't want to seem like a total jerk. At the same time, if it was like, hey, you can talk to her right now or you don't get to talk to her for the rest of night, I'm obviously going to take it.

Yeah, and think about this. Let's say you're one of the guys on the first group tape and you exchanged two sentences with Jen before you take it. And feel like she barely knows you. Yeah, like if I'm Aaron or Devin, more so Aaron, I'd be like, my chat

wasn't that long and it was shadowed by all this drama. Like, I need the time too. Now I'm going to sit back and wait for you guys because you're frustrated. Like, no way. Yeah. And like, I think I think, I don't know. It is a fine line because I don't disagree with the like, let's be respectful of these guys. They had a hard night. They lost their time. Let's, you know, make sure that they get their chance. But at the same time, like, this isn't. I don't think it's a respect thing. No one sits. Well, it's just consideration. Well, it's good. Yeah. And I, that's what I don't agree with. And you don't feel like they have to give any consideration to each other. I don't think you need to be considerate in this moment. Yeah. Like, it felt like they wanted to sit down and write out a list of names like. So and so goes number one.

And then Thomas goes number two. And then, you know, Spencer goes number three. And it's like, that's just really not how this show works. Like, here, if I, if I, now you're only like a few days in with these guys too. But if I'm rooming with one of the guys, right? And him and I are becoming friends. And I got time with Jen. And he's like, hey, I didn't get any time.

You care if I go in front of you. I'd be like, I actually don't care. but if the opportunity comes for me to do it first and like you're not around, I'm taking that. Yeah, 100%. You know, it's really fair. Yeah, and it's like, I like, it's kind of like every man for themselves in this, in this situation. But the thing is, I would not be the person to stand up and pull the lead first. You're really, you're really, I guess you are putting a target on.

Putting a target on your back. Like, it's one thing to be like, hey, can I steal her? You've been chatting for a little bit. You know, I know not all eight guys have gone. on yet, but like I want my time. It's another thing to be like, I'm going to jump up and steal her first. It's like the same thing I said about Devin before with like the ice cream. Like I don't think he minds. If not, I think he like maybe likes being a bit of a shitster. A shitster. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely. I do agree with that. Okay. So then this is where we see the air in Devin

conversation. We'll touch briefly on this because we feel like we've talked a lot about them. But the funny thing about this is if you do remember... There's actually two more things that we really got to get into. Yeah. Because if this, like if you do remember Tasha Claire's season, there was a guy Bennett and Noah who is Aaron's twin brother where the guy Bennett basically gave Noah a book on emotional intelligence. And now Noah's twin brother is giving a book about emotional intelligence or whatever it was about. It was called I wrote down principles of self-growth.

Yeah. Like, Temby, like, and it was so crazy because it was such a callback to what happened with Noah and Bennett, but to see Aaron in Bennett's position,

not Noah's position, giving the book. Yeah. I was just like, whoa. And I do, I don't know because like he, he does come across very genuine Aaron.

And I do, like, I don't know if he did it in a way of like, I don't think he was trying to be a jerk. I actually don't. I don't think, like, Bennett did it in a way that was, like, sassy. I don't think Erin was trying to be like, you need to work on yourself. Like, you suck.

I think he was, but that's kind of how it came across. I mean, that's, there's really no nice way to say, like, hey, you need some self-growth. Yeah. I'm going to give you a book about it. To someone that you don't know very well. That's, that's, yeah, I think that's the biggest. That's Devin's biggest issue. Yeah, and I think that's fair.

It's like, we really, like, have known each other for under a week. Yeah. Like, you don't know me. Yeah. And Aaron's saying a lot of things like, and look, to Aaron's defense, like, you spend a lot of time with these people. You're with them 24-7. I don't know how many conversations they've had. Maybe they've spent a lot of time talking.

But Aaron has developed his opinion of Devin to be someone that is not a very deep person and is more of a boy than a man. And obviously the book is insinuating that he believes he could work on himself to better himself. When I saw the book come out, I was like, well, now we know moving forward that Aaron and Devin will never get along. No, I don't think they're going to get along. They're just not going to get along. It's only going to escalate. They are the Maria and Sydney of Jen's season. And outside of this conflict, they are so different as people at their core. from what we've seen. Like, they appear to be just,

I would, knowing, if I knew both of them outside the show, I would never really expect them to vibe. Yeah. They're super different people. But yeah, and then Aaron slips up and he calls Devin Dylan.

Yeah. Which is obviously just a total accident, but Devin uses that to his argument of like, you don't even know me to the point where you're like messing up my name. How do you feel comfortable sitting here saying that I'm not a deep person?

Yeah. So the whole conflict was just, not great overall. These two just are not going to be friends. They don't need to be friends. They should just avoid each other. But, you know, getting to the Roastairmeroney because we're running out of time,

Devin pulls her first, which pisses off a lot of the guys, specifically. Thomas. Our friend Thomas, who was here last week. Yeah. Go check out our interview with Thomas. Tell me what you thought about this interaction

of Thomas interrupting Devin and Jen's time to pull Devin into like literally the hallway like not even down the stairs into the front yard like right around the corner from Jen and kind of rip him a new one yeah so we interviewed Thomas first who's the first guy we've interviewed on this podcast and I do really like him nice guy this was maybe one of the worst moves I've ever seen on the show yeah how do you think this makes you look on top of the fact that you don't you don't deserve the conversation like you don't you don't deserve the time first just because you didn't get time and I actually this is where I was like I really now I'm really starting to see who Jen is and I really I really like her because she handled this really well what she said was like you took away my independence you this was this isn't your that's not your choice to make this is my choice this is my show I'm the fucking lead and that's why I was like okay nice and and that's just the truth yeah and like I actually think there was

something good about this because the conflict kind of pushed her deeper into being the Bachelorette early on and I think she almost like needed that or we needed that as viewers to really see her like step into that role yeah because if she would have just kind of like zap back and be like oh like whatever it would have kind of been like oh this show this is going to be a shit show because the guys are just going to run loose with this yeah and it's going to be basically 24-7 conflict the entire yeah but she's clearly locking it down Thomas does say later in the episode that he's a pretty emotional guy. To me, this seemed like this was not the first thing that Devin did to piss people off. This was not the second. This was not the third.

He's done a few things at this point that have aggravated the guys. Thomas got really heated. And I think he just thought, like, I'm going to be the voice of the people here and go let Devin know that, like, this is not okay. And you can't act like this. But his method was not it. Like, he should have waited until Devin and Jen finished speaking or just gone and like stolen her. Like you walked all the way up there. Why didn't you just go like, hey, can I steal her now? Can I have my time? Like, and if he was like, no, then you say, look, Devin, you got a lot of time with her.

I didn't get any time with her yesterday. Would you mind just letting me and some of the other guys have some time now? And that's that. He could have literally had like a really nice conversation with Jen right then and there. But he decided to use that time to scream at Devin in front of Jen. He also could have waited till later in the night. and him and Devin were both free and pulled him outside and talking him.

I don't have an issue with him calling Devin out. It's just like there's a time and a place. Yeah, I agree. And you and the truth is he actually wrote down. Okay. And he's saying that like he basically is also calling out Devin for saying like you're not a man of your word. Like you said you would let us do it.

And his words verbatim were I'm not going to fall back to the end of line but you guys deserve a little more time. Yeah. But that's not him really. I mean, that's basically him agreeing. Yeah. Like if he said that to me,

I'd be like, okay, Dickhead, you're not going to, you're not going to agree to this. Yeah. And now I know. But then Thomas did say, you know, we agreed that Spencer, whoever it was, was going to go to pull her first.

So I do wonder if there was like more extensive conversations had about this. And I mean, who knows? Maybe Devin never really fully committed to this. And people just assumed he did. But either way, it was a bold move. If everyone's saying, you know, we're going to let one of those guys pull her first, and he did. Like, he's willingly stepping on people's toes, especially when he got a lot of time on the group date. Yeah.

But at the end of the day, he's still there and Thomas is still there. Devin did say a line of, I see all the roses in my lap. Like, he's like, I don't, like, basically saying, like, I don't even care about this rose. Like, I'm getting all the roses. Like, I see myself at the end with Jen. Yeah, I know. I've basically been pretty much pro-devin this entire recap, but he is also starting to give me like everything's about Jen,

but is everything about Jen or is this a competition? That's what I was going to say. He's got to be careful. Yeah. It's not the easiest thing to do, but you got to separate the competition with the relationship. And he's kind of starting to blur the lines a little bit saying like, I see all these roses in my laugh.

It's like, like, is she just a trophy at this point? Like, she's the end game because like, all these guys are against you. And now you feel the sense of like, I'm going to prove them wrong. Screw these guys. They're roasting me at the comedy. They're yelling at me in front of Jen. Like, I'm about to get to the end of this thing and seal the deal with this girl. Yeah.

And F all of you. Yep. Yeah. It's kind of the energy it was giving. I do think he likes her. I think they actually have chemistry and they have a connection. But it doesn't mean that the competitive nature can't like seep into that. Yeah.

Well, we'll see. I think that's a recap. The great thing moving forward is Jen decided to keep Aaron, Devin, and Thomas. So this little triangle of beef is not going anywhere at least. Which I'm actually totally fine with. I'm down to see this play out again next week. I was actually shy. I really thought she was sending me.

I knew I knew Aaron was still fine because I still think like, I don't like, I don't. Like what Thomas did, I think is like a good reason for the lead to send that person home. Yeah, because- But what Aaron did, not really. Not yet. I don't think so. To me, what Thomas did if I was Jen is basically saying like, my time and this conflict is more important than your journey to find a husband.

And I have no problem interrupting your conversation to deal with my like emotional distress. Yeah. but I really don't think he's a bad guy. I think he just got like way too heated and he needed to like have a drink and talk to Devin later. But I wouldn't have been surprised if Jen was like, look, this is just not gonna work out.

Like that was so offside. I agree. I've never seen anyone do that before. No, me neither. Like a total wild move. But I'm glad all three of them are still here. I also like that they're showing a lot of what the other guys are saying about it.

I'm sure we're not getting like all of their 100% candid opinions. but you're kind of seeing that like people don't really fuck with Devin but they also are like this is just kind of who Devin is So just like let him do his thing Like he owns it Well you could tell there's a

A group of guys It almost seems like the house is somewhat split And you could tell there's a group of guys That are kind of like hey Like It's really about Her and not us all being friends And like if this guy's gonna keep stepping out

like you may not like it but it's like don't you know hate the game not the player or whatever the fuck but essentially it's kind of and I think there's a majority there's a group of guys that feel

that way don't hate the player hate the game there you go and then I think there's other guys that are kind of like uh we don't like this this is bullshit this isn't fair um okay that is that's a recap everyone thank you for listening to

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