Bachelor Happy Hour - Jenny McCarthy on Ashley Iaconetti, ‘The Masked Singer,’ and More | Happy Hour

Episode Date: July 15, 2026

Today on “Happy Hour,” we have Bachelor Nation superfan and reality TV vet JennyMcCarthy! Jenny is here to tell us all about her time as a “Bachelor” fan, her hot takes, and so much more. We kick things off by getting to know all about her “Singled Out” era and how crazy reality TV was back then. Next, we get the tea on her connection to Ashley Iaconetti and how she guided her before her “Bachelor” journey. We also hear some candid dating advice Jenny learned after experiencing a toxic relationship in her past. Plus, we hear what it’s like to work on “The Masked Singer” and Jenny tells us the story behind her new beauty line. Tune in now and be sure to subscribe! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm Charity. And I'm Rachel. And today we have a very special guest who is a longtime Bachelor fan, Jenny McCart. Jenny, welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour. Thank you so much. I'm excited to talk to you guys. I love Bachelor Nation. And as we know it, which I love when like Bachelor fans and just people who have really

watched the show and seen it from really start to finish come on this podcast because there's just so much to dive into. And as we know it, this show has truly changed over the years. So I want to get into literally your history of being a Bachelor fan. What about the show itself hooked you? Like what made you so intrigued by it? The funny thing is I've probably been watching this before you guys were born. That's the scary.

No way. I'm an OG bad donation girl. So the reason why I think, well, I know why I love it, but I also think people love it too is there's an hopefulness. There's an awkwardness. You absolutely, even though it's on TV and things are polished, you can't escape the awkwardness of the first meetings. You can't escape the awkwardness of the first dates.

And it's really cool to watch. Of course, egos come alive, competitions, insecurity, but also the ones who are confident. You actually can learn a lot by watching the show because you go like this, oh, I don't want to be like her. Or, oh, I want to be like her. There's so much that you can learn. And I always have fun watching people,

everybody does this. I don't want to say just a batch of people, but this is televised. You get to watch it happen real time. People send out their representatives. And what do I mean by that? Whenever we start dating someone, the first two years,

we have our representative pretty much representing us. What does that look like? It means like your boyfriend might be like, you know, you like watching football? I love watching football. And then two years later, you're like, I freaking hate watching football. Because your representative has, it's almost like masking a little bit because you want to be perfect.

You want them to like you. It's just a normal part of human nature. So to watch it happen on the TV show, you know, you're getting a crash course in it. But because of the competition, you get to see the ugliness side quicker than you would in a normal relationship. You're going to see, you know. And I give those girls a lot of credit because I don't know if I can handle, I'm a Scorpio and very jealous. So I would be like, I would go south side Chicago. Oh my gosh.

Wait. So if there was another world, would you have ever been The Bachelorette if they asked? Cool. I have some gossip for you. You ready? Oh, did they ask you? They just started the Bachelorette. I don't know how many years they were into it.

And I was newly divorced. And I called my agent and I said, I want you to call them. And I want you to pitch me as the Bachelorette. I want you to tell them that Jenny McCarthy from MTV singled out, the number one dating show of all time is single and now wants to be on the show. And I was, you guys don't know, but my show back in the day, I was a ball busting, like, shit up to the guys. Like, I had no fear, but I was also, like, genuinely looking for love. And I was like, I would make the greatest bachelorette of all time. And the show said, quote, we don't want famous people on the show.

Now, cut to it. Yeah, I was like, oh, my God, they're going to, I'm like, I would have done, you guys understand, I would have, it would have been the most ultimate Bachelor nation season of all time. That is so funny. I would have had so much fun with those boys. I would have made out with all of them. I would have just, I would just been like so awesome on that show.

I feel robbed. We couldn't see this. No, right. I'm so mad still to the day. I'm always like, they missed their chance. But then Amy Schumer, I saw years later, also called and said, Hey, I want to be a bachelorette. And they said the same thing to her.

No. I feel like they're kind of missing out on the celebrity version. They can literally call it the celebrity version of Bachelor. Because I think it would really, really do what they've got other celebrity versions of everything else. Why wouldn't you do the celebrity version of Bachelorette? But they're lost now because now I'm happily married. Love that. Oh, my gosh.

No, that really would have been a season, honestly. I do think like, you know, now and modern days, I don't even like saying that. Just like now and time, I feel like they are trying to, obviously, as we know, but try new things and see how well it sticks and lands. But I think, yeah, you know, there is a world where people who have a big following, yeah, a big following or something. Like, you know, it could be helpful. I'm like, I would love to see Rob from Traders as our Bachelor. Like, do you know Rob Ra is, am I saying his last name, right?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When he be like, and I. You just have to do it with the, forgive me, because I didn't watch the show, the Mormon Wides show, the woman that did not air, thing did not air. but that was their first attempt you cross. Correct. I'm going to say cross-contaminate on that one. And that's fair.

Is there anyone that you would like to see in that role if they were ever to do with celebrity season? Now that Amy Schumer is single, right? Didn't she get just announce her divorce? Did I? Oh, I might, is that? I'm just Google that real quick. She would be hilarious.

No, insane. Insane. Someone fact checked me on that. I could have made it a bit of a dream. But she would be, she would probably do all the things that I would have done if I was on the show. Oh, beyond.

Like, it would be a completely different show if she was... You know what I would have done to? Completely different. I am so, but I also know how to make great TV. So it would have been a little bit of me trying to find love, me just make it out of the guys because I could because it's okay on that show. But then also, I would have fun pitting them against each other.

Oh, she's like, I'm staring the podcast. completely. I'm like, I feel like they do a good job of that on their own. Like, they really do. But I would have been like, man, Brian really, really shoved his tongue down my throat and I liked it. You know what I mean? I wouldn't just. Oh my gosh. This is the type of personality. This is exactly what we need. And I feel like in this role, if you did bring a celebrity on, do you think they would be, okay, dating just the average everyday person? Or do you think the contestants would have to be celebrities as well? No, I think 100% celebrities want to date real people.

Yeah. It's just a matter of finding a real person that knows how to stay in their lane. What I mean by that is sometimes your partner can feel insecure, no matter what job they have, you know, whether that be a famous, even football player and an actress. But with someone's, let's say, a really amazing attorney in the best. in their field, they're still going to have an insecurity. So as long as the non-celebrity feels good in their position and their place in life, that's what the celebrity would love to date.

You know, look at Camer Diaz and the cameraman, right? It's like there is hope for, you know, the celebrity, non-celebrity. It's just a matter of finding that confident guy or girl that won't get caught up in the fame. drama. Couldn't agree more. I 100% agree. Where do you feel like, I don't know if you've been watching Bachelor up into this point or if you've taken some pauses, totally understand that you have.

Yeah. Understood. But like I guess how casting has like, I guess changed over the years. Obviously when like Trista was like our first Bachelorette, it was very like everybody had, you know, nine to fives. Obviously social media and influencing and all of that has created. such a shift in like careers and what is like I guess deemed as like oh what we want to see and what people want to do more of but I also think that indirectly or directly plays a role in how the show

is casting because I feel like now it adds this extra layer of like almost like people being superficial and it's like you have to pull back that layer of like okay are you really here looking for love or do you just want like a good opportunity a good role to like make great TV so where do you feel like casting can improve in that department of selecting people to come on this show. That's a really beautiful question, Charitin. I love the way you kind of set that up so nicely. If you were to ask me who my favorite bachelor, or bachelor of all time, it would be Trista.

It would be Trista because she was the first one that was able to come in before the word influencer became an actual name in the dictionary. she went in there looking for true love and guess what she found it she found it you know so that's what was so great about her story and really everyone should thank her because she proved she proved it just so happened that the first one actually it worked for but she she proved to everybody else this isn't just a gimmick this isn't just a game show you can actually find your happily ever after and to your point the problem now is a lot of of times people will make this their job, this their occupation. And, you know, if you think about it,

it is more difficult, though, to be like, if you're, let's say, you're an attorney or something, you'd be like, yo, I'm leaving for three months. It's hard to leave a job to go do something for three months. You usually, you find people who maybe are wanting to be influencers that have those you know, those kind of occupation or trainer, you know, how many trainers have we said? So many. So many. So many. Because their schedules are more open.

So I can see why casting gets inundated with those. And their schedule allows them to come on the show. So it's not all casting's fault. Those are that that's the pool that's more available. The problem is that pool also is trainer slash influencer. health coach slash influencer. You know, it kind of goes with those kind of jobs. So I don't know how they can improve it other than, you know, finding people that are okay,

leaving their jobs and really staying away from those typical, stereotypical, you know, occupations. As someone who's been in the field as long as you have, what do you think about the current, dating show to influence her to famous pipeline? You know, am I mad at it? Not really. It happens. It just is how it is today.

Yeah. I would like them to start out with an authentic, like on this show, an authentic realness, an authentic search for love, genuinely looking for it. And if they so happen to fall upon an influencer. type situation, fine. You know, like there's a story I'll tell you in a little while, unless you want to dive into it right now. I love to hear it. We're all the ears. Is I have a little bit of a connection with a former contestant, which is Ashley I. Ashley I, who I love. We love Ashley. Okay, so the story behind Ashley I, you guys, is she was my former

nanny. Oh my goodness. Really? Really? She was my son's nanny. And of course my son was like, I have the hottest nanny in the world, okay? Truly. And then one day she's like, I can't work for you anymore because, and I was like, why?

Who's stealing you? And she's like, I got chosen to go on the bachelor. And I'm like, no way. And I was like, listen, you're going to do everything I tell you to do and you're going to make it. you're going to just pull through. I don't know if you're going to find love, but everyone's going to know who Ashley I is after this.

And she was authentically looking for love. That's the thing that you can tell from Ashley I is those tears are genuine. Are they ridiculous? Of course, but they are. She's like a hopeless romantic for sure. Oh my God. We fell in love with her through those tears. We fell in love with her through her beautiful,

ugly cry because it was real. She really had these crushes, you know? So that's what, what I knew going into it is going to work for her because she's got the realness part. She did so well on that show and she became like a little bit of an America sweetheart after that. She really did. I feel like Ashley I is such an iconic bachelor nation alumni and to know that you created Ashley is crazy. You've heard the chaos.

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It's like, it's like, that's where with any marriage, if you have a solid foundation, you don't have to worry about that if you truly have a solid foundation. Like, Donnie and I did our own reality show not that long ago. Donnie did Walburghers with his brother. Then we, Donnie and I did kind of a spin off with ourselves. And people would say to us all the time, hey, are you worried? Are you worried about like this influencing your relationship? And we'd be like, no, only because the foundation.

was so solid. Because when you're filming, you tend to, you're exhausted, you're your, your ego comes out a little bit. You're worried about what people think. You're worried about how you're perceived. Then if you're perceived the wrong way, are you blaming your partner? You're blaming the edits. You know, things can get really, really, really ugly. We only went three years because my son, who was also filming in the reality show said he was turning into a teenager. And he was like, if you think I'm going through puberty on television, you're out of your mind because there were cameras in our house all day long. Like it's a real thing. Like I'd literally be like and at the end of the hallway is like a camera guy there. You know, so I, we said, okay, no more. You could still,

of course, watch our episodes. There's still up on A&E. You can watch them. But it was a family decision at that point because I said the foundation isn't built and steady for my son. It was steady for me and my husband, but it's not for my son. And I do not want to do that because we see what happens to a lot of these kids on reality shows too. Absolutely. No, and like you mentioning kind of like the transition or not even transition, but there definitely is a contrast between like filming all aspects of your life and that's like, you know, cameras on all the time versus like me and Rachel or like Ashley.

Obviously she met Jared on Paradise, but it's like we come from this like bubble where everything is just about finding love or it's about like dating and you're kind of like tunnel vision on one person but like once that bubble ends or pops and you come back to real life or reality that's really what I feel like is where the work really begins which our fans don't ever really see that part they don't get to see that part of it unfold so what's what would be like I guess your advice for couples like I met my fiancee on my season of the bachelorette what would your advice be for couples, I guess making it sustain in the public eye, but also have this, you know, genuineness or authenticity about the relationship itself and not losing sight of that.

You know, that would be a very difficult transition because you're living in a mansion. All of your needs are taken care of. You have no outside influences during all of that time. You're in helicopters. you're going to fancy dinners. And it's like someone lets you live the life of Cinderella and then pulls your shoes and dress away and your house and everything. It says, good luck.

I mean, that would be, I respect anyone that has to go through that transition. You know, it's kind of like almost like getting fired from a job. You know, most of us, I think you've at least fired once where you feel like your identity's been stripped away. And that's kind of feel a little bit like that too. my thing would my advice would be is to dive into the relationship even more because if you're chasing the fame identity or trying to stay relevant that's the word if you're trying to stay relevant in the public versus putting in the work in the relationship you are doomed you are

doomed now mind you is there still things you can do of course there's you know influencer things there's a way to like make some money and mara yada yada yada And I'm all for that. But if you put more work into that maintaining identity versus the work in your relationship, you're going to be in a lot of trouble. So I would say date, talk, get into therapy. You know, Donnie and I would be, when we first started dating, actually, that's the first thing I tell you to do is go from that show, go right into a therapist. When Donnie and I first started dating, we were like two months into the relationship.

And I said, do you want to do something fun? He was like, what? I'm like, let's go see. let's go see a couple's therapist. And he's like, what's wrong with us? And I'm like, nothing. That's exactly why it's a great time to go. Because, well, we're older, but it doesn't matter for anybody.

We all have go-toes when we're in a fight, when we're feeling insecure. There's usually in a fight, there's the person that wants to talk it out. And then there are other persons that need silent or just a silent treatment that might escape in the other room for a while. You know, we gravitate towards the opposite sometimes. So I said, why don't we go to a couple's counselor and figure out a tool belt, a toolkit that we can use when the time comes, when we have a disagreement, when we feel like we're going to fight because we're going to.

Even though Donnie and I, I think, are the poster couple for happily ever after. We really truly are madly in love with each other after 12 years. I love that. But it's because we did the work. And in that therapy session, we learned who was the person that likes the silent treatment, Who is the person they need to talk right now? How do we compromise? Is there a middle when someone is so on the opposite side of the spectrum?

And there was. It was like you're only allowed to go in the other room for five minutes. Like you can do five minutes. If you need 10, just ask for it. But you can't do two hours. You can't do three hours. You can't do the next till the next day. You get five to 10 minutes before you have to talk it out.

Now the talk it out person also needs to know they can't go on a hamster wheel. Sometimes the talk it out person, needs to repeat it over and over and over and over again and over and over and over again. And you're like, what are you doing? You're just repeating it. Have you not heard what I said? So there's a lot of those tools in the toolkit that a couple's counselors can give you early on in dating, especially if you kind of know you want this person to be your happily ever after.

Go in early and learn those things. And it was so fun to learn that about each other. I'm sorry if I'm talking so much, but I'm going to keep going because it's podcast. This is great. This is perfect. You're right. But it's also about in the new relationships, no matter how old you are, we tend to project whatever was in the past into the current relationship.

I'm going to give you guys a really fun example of something that Donnie and I both brought in to our relationship. And if we weren't in therapy, it could have ended us. Okay. Oh. So he would walk into a room. and I would be on my phone and I go like this. And he wouldn't say anything, but he would just like, whatever, just continue the conversation.

Then I would be like, again, like in the room. And he'd walk in her and go. And he'd be like, what is going on? She's obviously talking to someone. She's obviously cheated on me. Mind you, I've never cheated on a boyfriend my whole life. I'm a serious monogamous, but I'll get to this. So I would be throwing down my phone, hide in my phone, hide on my phone.

hide in my phone. And then he was starting, he wouldn't say anything. And he was starting to, um, push me away, like a little bit of distance between us. There was like a little bit of like, knowing that wanting to cuddle. And then like, I'm like, hmm, he's not as like talkative as he usually is. I'm like, what is happening? What is happening? So I was like, let's go to couples therapy and figure out what's going on, me not even understanding that that was even a thing. I didn't even understand what I was doing. So we go to couples counseling. And he brings it up. And he's like, I feel like she might be doing something suspicious.

And I was like, oh, my God, I could totally see how that would look. Totally. Now, mind you, I was coming out of an abusive relationship. That relationship, I was punished so badly. If I was on TikTok, if I was on Instagram, if I was on Twitter, I was punished. So I was not allowed to have my phone in the house in this relationship. I had a front door that they, he had a front door like a casket, I called it, where you had to leave your phone when you walked in the door.

So if you were caught with the phone, trust me, I guess it's in therapy through that one and got through that relationship real quick. Oh my gosh. But he would not allow the phone in the house because he wanted all of my attention. That's a lot. It wasn't about me. cheating was wanting my intention like this. So if I got caught in that relationship with my phone, it was like total chaos. I had PTSD. I'd post-traumatic stress about being caught with my phone

in the house. Then future relationships, it's probably why relationships after that didn't work because I probably was doing the exact same thing and didn't even realize it. Once Donnie heard about this trauma and I expressed more about this abusive relationship I was in, he had so much empathy for me that he was like oh my gosh i had no idea you poor thing like how horrible now look at how we were able to take what could have turned into resentment fear and a breakup and we were able to transform that into empathy and healing and after that it was just like i didn't have to hide my phone anymore yeah like he was okay with me being on social media he was okay me not going like this giving him every little piece of attention.

So that is a great example of how you can take that healing of therapy, of couples therapy, and utilizing it for a successful future. So if any, Terry, I'd say get your butts right into that. We've never left. We've been in therapy since I got off the show. So, yes. Good. Yeah, no, it's like everything you're saying, I'm like, I already like was ready to go.

Guns a blazing. I said, oh, we're leaving this show. Because I knew the transition was going to be very hard. And I'm like, I obviously don't know the ins and outs of every other leads relationship. But I'm like, I could imagine that that adjustment period alone is why a lot of couples don't really make it through. Because yes, you have this honeymoon phase. But like you said, that's also your representative phase. you're putting your best foot forward to make it work until life hits you in the face. And you're like,

oh, I don't have what I need to get through this. And it's very, very challenging. And it does take work. That's the thing. It takes work from both ends of the partners or the people in the relationship to make it work. So listen, I'm like, I'm a very small percentage of the success story, but I'm right there with you. There is wonders. Yeah. So we're both proof, proof that it works. And by the way, you don't need to be. on The Bachelor to have this work for you. Absolutely. It's never not too late.

Like if you've been dating for a while, you've been married for a while, because as soon as resentment enters a relationship, you have a, stands in the hourglass before it's over. Sands in the hourglass before it's over because if there is any resentment

that always builds up, bleeds into it and comes out in other yucky ways, and it really toxifies a relationship. So well said. And you and Donnie seem so genuinely happy, but the world has obviously watched you. Yes. Go through so many different phases and chapters of love. What has changed the way you view love from back then to now? You know, I think back in the day I viewed love as wanting chemistry. And now I view love as wanting peace. Come on. That's a word. Right? Because to have peace in a relationship means everything. Let's define peace. What do you put underneath that? Happiness, joy, unconditional love. Like all of those things fall into place when you have peace. And does it take work? Absolutely. But, you know, in the beginning and it's only normal. You want to be. You want to be. You want to be. You want. You.

all chemistry in the beginning, but, man, if you don't have peace later on in that relationship, you know, a perfect example. My girlfriend has been dating this loser for about the same time. I met Donnie the same time she met him. Okay. And it's amazing because their relationship is so vile and they're screaming. Like, I watched the growth of me in Donnie. of just like I talked about of being in this peaceful place, they're so volatile and angry and like breaking up, getting together, breaking and getting up. He's cheated on her multiple times, multiple times if I'm like, like, you know, I've been in a other relationship for, you know, two years behind your back and then she takes him back. It's like, I'm sorry. Right.

It's like if you're not doing that work on you too, you're in trouble. girl. You are in trouble because you can't just always blame it on the guy either. So to go back to your point, me and Donnie worked also because I did the work on me and changed it from just wanting this hot maybe chemistry to wanting the ultimate prize, which is peace. So awesome. That's really good. Hey, I'm Ruby Carr, the host of the podcast, Encore. Check out our brand new episodes featuring music from the show that everyone is reheating as we speak. Heated rivalry.

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In my 20s, 30s, even 40s, it's like you are yearning here. yearning like you you have all of these like expectations that's the good word you have all these like expectations and if they're not fulfilled then you're sad you stop having those when you're older you just sit in the beauty of love the my expectations of donnie are just the typical ones just like don't cheat on me you know respect me and adore me that's it I don't have all these other expectations, we just kind of sit in this flow of love. So it's just, it gets so much easier because you drop all those, this is what I need. This is what I need. This is what else I need. All those like expectations. And remember, it is not your partner's job to fix you. It is not

your partner's job, even to love you if you can believe that. It's your job to love you. The bonus is he does love you. But it's the real thing is you have to try. truly fall in love with yourself and then everything else falls into place, honestly. This has been such a wonderful conversation. You were like, I feel like I'm learning so much. I know. Thank you for being so honest. I'm like, I'm writing everything down.

But going more into you and your career, you helped pave the way for The Bachelor because before that, you were the host of Singled Out. What was that like creating basically dating shows? Yeah. That was so much fun. And it was also so crazy. So you know how you guys talked and we talked about how the pool of the casting people really are only able to find people who don't have a regular job, so to speak. And I say that nicely.

You know what I mean? They're a regular like yada yada. Well, my dating game show, we shot four episodes a day during the day. And these are all people in their young 20s. We had a van that we drove around L.A. ask people walking down the street to get in the van to get in the van

they'd load the van up drive them to the studio and we'd film that and I'd be like oh my goodness meets your new date it's Mike and Mike

who lives with his parents doesn't have a job no background check off the street we found him in the mall like some of them didn't even have teeth we just said don't smile when you're on camera

It was the wild, wild west of dating. And, you know, we were, we were a hip to the fact that it was more of an entertainment show than finding true love because you're not going to find it in 14 minutes. But it was fun. It was a lot of fun. And it just, it had a huge impact. It was like, when I say, it was like one of the, within the first month of the show, just so you guys have some understanding of how big it was. I was on the cover of Rolling Stone. after 30 days of airing that show.

That is how like, boom, it was so big. And I mean, I wish it would never work today. It would never, ever, ever worked today. I was going to ask, what would have to change for its work? You know, they try to revive it once, and they should have asked me to do it because I... They didn't ask you? They didn't ask me because I'm an old little bird. You know, I'm an old little bird.

But I would have rocked it. I don't, I think it would just have to be left as an entertainment show. Like, I could make it work. But they said, like the network said, people don't date like that anymore. I'm like, well, honestly, we should. It's more of an entertainment show than anything. Absolutely. Amazing.

And you also, obviously, have had a reign on mass singer as a judge. You tracked all the celebrity clues. How has that experience been like for your? you. It's such a fun show. I love it. It's such a fun show. Can I tell you when they first asked me to do what my agent was like, this, this is the dumbest show ever. You ain't doing it. I'm like, listen. I said, this checks all the boxes, which is weird because I like a little weird and strange. It's got celebrity and it's got a game you can play and singing. Like I love listening. I'm like, this is going to check all the boxes. Plus, I love that it was a family-friendly show.

I wanted something that my son could actually watch something of mine. So I said yes to the show. We're going on season 15, I believe, 14, 15 like that. Crazy. And you know what I love you guys is I love that I get that it's that we're nice. There's no Simon Cowles. Like we get to give everybody flowers because it's not, it's not easy to get up there and sing, especially underneath the mask, even for celebrities, you know.

So we don't say like, you're not going to go to Hollywood. your hair horrible. Whatever are you even famous in the first place. That was terrible. It sounded like road tilt. You know what I mean? Everything we do, we give flowers over their performances. And that makes me feel so good after the show.

Plus, I am, if you watch the show, I am so ultra competitive, you guys. I am so, I would you call psychotic competitive. Like, I got yelled at numerous times by my producers. They've come in my room and said, you realize. that this is just a game show, right? Like, you don't win a prize, Jenny. Because I get, I get obsessed. I get like, I'm like the movie Beautiful Mind or, what's that chess movie with that lady with the chess board, whatever.

I get into like this crazy like mathematics. Mathematat, help me. Mathematician. Thank you. Mathematician. I'm trying to think of that meme at the same time. I was trying to think of math meme. Oh, I know.

So it's just like the equations are coming across. Yes. That is me. You know what I mean? And so sometimes I get a little crazy, but I'm still the best guester on the show, and I plan in continuing that. I have a dream that one day charity will go on the Mask singer. Who would you love to see on as a contestant?

Well, now that my husband already showed up as someone behind the mask, I can't name him. But I also wear my producer hat. Also, so I can tell you, if we got someone like a Britney Spears, it would make great TV. It would make a great... I think it would be so fun to have like a Britney Spears. Now, my taste in music, I'd love to have Beyonce. Period.

Someone big. We're saying go big or go home at this point. Naturally. If you're going to have a magic wand and a genie in a bottle, I'm going to say Beyonce. Okay. Of course. I love that. Okay.

Let's talk about your beauty brand because as we know it, you have a beauty brand called Formless Beauty. And I am very curious, as me and Rachel are both beauty lovers, what got you into wanting to make or start your own brand? I'm so glad you guys asked. And I'm going to be sending us some stuff. So after this, make sure I... I can't wait.

So I started to get a lot of allergies. I'd get like skin rashes, rosacea, irritations. And I'm like, I'm going to look into toxicity and makeup. And I wasn't ready to start a brand. I just wanted to look into the ingredients. And I was mortified, you guys. I was mortified that these, quote, clean brands, like when you go to the store and says, the clean section, that they're lying, that there's no regulatory agencies that are

actually looking over to say, yeah, they're clean. You look under the hood. You're going to find a ton of toxins. So I was like, oh, my God, there's no one I can trust. So I was like, you know what? I'm going to start my own brand and see if anyone wants full transparency and truly clean. Okay. So I formed formless beauty.

I started only with three glosses. And I teamed up. I don't know if you guys know who the environmental working group is. But if you don't know who they are, you should all know who they are. EWG.org. This is an organization that looks under every product and tells you what's good or bad. Okay. They've been doing this for years.

doctors and scientists. So I called them up and I was like, yo, I want to create a beauty brand under your science. You did the work. I just want to know what not to put in what are bad ingredients and what are good ingredients. They were like, that's awesome that you want to do that, but it's really hard. Good luck. They handed me a book of over 900 pages of unacceptable ingredients and said, don't use any of these ingredients. Then they sent him to me a book of over 700 restricted ingredients that don't use these. So I sat down with my chemist and was like, oh my God, how are we going to do this. So we did it. We made like our mascara right now, it's in a glass too. Our mascara just got the EWG verified. When you're EWG verified, what does that mean as a brand?

By the way, there ain't no other celebrity brands with the EWG verification. Okay. So EWG verified means we went through the top strict, most utmost responsible testing you can possibly do for makeup. That is how clean. And I respect my clients are people that don't want to get cancer. People that do have cancer. People are in chemo. People with lumis, lupus, lupus, MS, arthritis, you name it, Rosasia. All these people who care about truly clean ingredients, we have now gathered to create a much bigger brand. We're now in sprouts. So if you're near a sprouts, you can go check out our section. Because people who go to sprouts also care about ingredients. So I highly suggest you guys trying our skin care, our cleanser takes off your eye makeup like that without

burning your eyes. It's the greatest cleanser ever. But I hope you, I'm going to send it to you guys, but try the mascara. The mascara we sell out constantly, by the way. We can't keep it in stock. It's our MVP because it's what. Do you guys know that mostly hormone disruptors are in every I know. It's like the hardest thing. I'm like. Except ours. Oh, amazing. Ours doesn't have it. So if you guys are listening and want a discount code, you can put in Jenny 10 to try it out. That gives you 10% off.

Go to formlessbedia.com and check it out and take that discount. Yes. Yes. And Jenny, you are someone that sat in the makeup chair for years and years and years. So we are so thankful that now there's a brand that is healthy and that isn't causing anything harmful to us. So congratulations again because sprouts is huge. Thank you so much. I appreciate that. Truly cannot wait to try it. I'm excited. I'm like trying all the things and trying to get on my wellness journey and be like, you know, very adamant about it. But it's hard. And I love hearing your backstory. Obviously, you've done the work and poured into this brand. So very excited. And congratulations again. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate that. Okay. We are going to play a game now.

We love a game. We always end most of our episodes with the game. name. So we are going to name one of your projects and ask a rapid fire question that goes with it. So pretty easy. Okay. I'll start this off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, first one. Masked Singer, what was the best costume? Um, the best costume. That's a great question. So probably, there's probably the snail. We had a snail that came on and it was like, oh my God, because it was like really kind of small to the ground, but it was still like four feet high. But you know who was inside the snail? Who? No. Kermit the frog. I didn't know what saying. Oh my gosh. By the way, you guys, when we, that's actually crazy. When we were listening to them saying and I'm doing

this, I said to Robin, I said, Robin, I don't mean to sound, I don't want to tell him that he sounds like he sounds like Kermit, but I didn't want to save it out loud to offend the same. And it turned out to become it. Oh my gosh. That's so funny. Wait, okay. I'm like, I need to go back because I didn't even know that that was a thing. So I have to go back now. I watch that. Okay. The view. Hardest part of live TV. The hardest part of live TV is when you have menstrual cramps or when you're sick. When you're sick and you still got to get it up like you're not sick and you got 104 fever. That's tough. That's really tough. I'm like the joy of being a woman.

No, literally, working woman. All right. Last one. Scary Movie 3. Who was the funniest person unsat? Well, you know, Pamela and I were the only ones in our scenes. I basically was the one that got killed. But to me, Pamela's delivery, I mean, it was so good.

It was so good when she asked me if I'm okay after my head's been decapitated. And she keeps asking me, are you okay? Okay. It's so hilarious. Like, she's actually really, really funny. I didn't have anybody else on set to compare it to, but me and her had a ball shooting that. That scene is burned into my memory from my childhood. Like, I think we watched Scary Movie 3 all the time. It was so good. It's so funny. Oh, my goodness. Well, thank you, Ginny, so much. This interview was such a joy. We are taking all of your knowledge, your experience, everything. We are just so grateful that. you were able to join us on a happy hour. Where can people and our listeners follow you or keep up with you?

Well, you can follow my social media, which is pretty much Jenny McCarthy everywhere, except for TikTok on Mrs. Wahlberg. But I'm also launching my own podcast in October. So you guys can check out my website. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, for more information. So check me out. Follow me there. And here's to, maybe I'll have you guys on. We'll do some Bachelor Nation breakdowns. That would be amazing. Congratulations to your new podcast, of Formus Beauty and thank you again for being here. And make sure you guys rate review, subscribe wherever you listen to your podcast,

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