Bachelor Happy Hour - Jeremy's Getting Real

Episode Date: August 21, 2025

Today on Happy Hour, we're sitting down with Jeremy from this season of Paradise! After a major wrench was thrown in Jeremy's journey with Bailey, he's here to tell his side of the story. We kick things off with his date with Susie; he tells us how Bailey reacted to the date, how his feelings for Susie progressed, and the truth behind his decision to choose Bailey. Then, we get into the infamous phone call to Susie, his big reaction to Bailey's date with Andrew, and so much more. And of course, we address the biggest hump thus far: Brian telling Bailey. Jeremy's ready to get real and honest about this sticky situation, including what he would've done if Susie did end up coming to Paradise. Plus, we get to hear all about the sweet moments between him and Bailey that he cherishes the most. Tune in now to hear all this and more and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime Podcasts and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, West West, Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcasts. You know I get down. You come from the urban areas. You understand politics more than you giving credit for. Between Jerry out here, Mandarin all over the place, hop-out boys snatching up family members

and two wars that was supposed to be done in 24 hours. Not to mention Epstein. We had to reach out to the homie Jamil Hill because she going to keep it a century. Because in America, what sells in politics are narratives and storylines. It's like we treat politics like we treat sports, which is part of the reason why we're in the situation we're in right now. Listen to the hood politics with prop podcasts on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips.

And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app.

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Politics. On this week's episode, I'm joined by all-time great Hooper and basketball analyst Candace Parker, who gives insight into her candid new book, including why she waited two years into marriage come out. I never envisioned being with a woman. I'll just be honest. Like, when I close my eyes at night, every night, I was like, I need to find my prince charming. Like, it was never a princess. Make sure you listen to this episode of Politics on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Joe. I'm Serena. And we are here today with Jeremy. Jeremy, welcome. We're in studio. How you guys doing? Thank you for having me in person of course you uh this is a big interview yeah yeah yeah how you've been feeling i've been feeling

i've been feeling i've been feeling good yeah um try to stay off the internet so really spirit with the exception of right after the episode and i respond to a few comments overall and pretty good okay yeah yeah yeah well you know i no i know on the internet so yes i mean listen it could be tough it could be i mean it's it's very tough getting judged by millions or i don't know about millions but a lot of people no you don't know yeah yeah and i can see how many people look at my profile really yeah yeah it's been uh it's you're on the internet too shay okay so let's let's kind of get let's get right into it um we don't really need to know about how you got on and all that because we've talked to you before yeah i know um first things first you're

down on the beach you hit it off with bailey she's also talking to kyle she ends up choosing you after that rose ceremony where was your relationship at at that point yeah i think um you know when i went down to the beach i i think i knew a lot of people who were going to be there bailey i'd met for like five seconds before i didn't really know anything about her and she really took me you know by surprise just happened to be sitting next to her and we had a good conversation and she was like she had such a positive energy and her smile and she's obviously beautiful. So she really caught me off guard. So it was obviously early stages, but I was, you know, very interested in her. I know she was, you know, talking to Kyle as well. I didn't really view it as like a competition.

I think we were just vibe in. Yeah. As a viewer, it definitely seemed like you guys had a very strong connection around the bat. Like the chemistry is very obvious there. Were you surprised when she picked you over Kyle or did you feel pretty confident? No, she told me she was going to give me the rose. So I wasn't, I wasn't surprised. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

So then the following week, Susie comes down. Mm-hmm. She asked you on a date. Yep. Tell us about that date. You seem pretty happy to go. It makes sense that you would go because it's early on. Mm-hmm.

Had you met Susie before? I never met Susie before. No. We'd followed each other. I didn't think I was going to be asked on a date, but then I found out that I was like the only one who talked to her the night before. So I guess that makes sense. and yeah so I went on the date and it was a lot of fun like it's I think it's hard to go jet skiing in Costa Rica and not have fun and I think that like both with Susie and Bailey I don't think I was expecting like either of them right and I was pleasantly surprised by both so then when it came time for you know the cocktail hour in the rose ceremony I was like in a tough position where I kind of felt like the bachelor and I'm definitely not the bachelor and I was like making this tough decision and I ended up picking Bailey of course

What drew you in with Susie? Because we see you've obviously spent quite a few days with Bailey. I think at this point, like it's obvious that there's the connection there. But this one date with Susie has kind of made you feel really torn. What about Susie drew you in so much? Yeah, it's tough because I had spent a few days with Bailey, but at the same time, it's still early on. I don't want to close myself off. And Susie's a great girl.

And I think we had a great conversation. And, you know, we were smiling and laughing. lot on the date. And I think that's what made it tough is that I wasn't expecting to be in that position. And when you're in that position and it's so early on, you don't know what the future is going to be like. You don't know what life's going to be like. And you're, no matter what it's kind of like a gamble of when you're making that decision. So I just went with my gut. If you would have known that Susie was going to self-eliminate, would you have given her euros? No.

Okay. I know, you know, I made the comments about thinking that Susie was going to be there, which is true. I had a feeling that, you know, someone as in Justin might extend the rose to her, but I don't think my decision would have changed. I still would have given Bailey the rose. Okay. When you told Bailey that you were going to go on the date with Susie, what did you expect her reaction to be? I don't know if I had an idea of what her reaction would be. I think she kind of reacted the way that I thought she might because she's like a pretty cool girl.

We were only there for a few days. I don't think she was going to say no. And she was just like, yeah, you know, go on the date. You know, if you still want to be with me after, like, I'm going to be here. When Susie goes home, I would imagine as much as you were confident in your decision with Bailey, there was probably still this great area of you may have continued exploring both women because we're learning from you guys. that come on the podcast, how quick the turnarounds are happening this season. Like usually on our season, you had like two or three days with someone before a rose ceremony.

Now it's like bang, someone comes in the next day you have to make a decision. Yeah. So we, I came straight back from my date with Susie to getting ready for the cocktail party. Yeah, that's wild. Yeah, it's wild. I think Susie was there for like 24 hours. I think that let's just say for whatever reason I gave Susie the Rose instead of Bailey. I probably would have been having the same thoughts about Bailey too.

you just have no idea like you're basing it off of such a limited amount of time with someone okay so then the following day Andrew comes in this is where things start getting a little slippery Bailey gets asked on a date and you yeah for a lack of better words kind of lose your shit why and did you not like in the moment think like I she was so cool about me doing this you know 24 hours ago yeah I think I didn't really think in the moment. I should work on that. I think the reason why I was upset was based on the conversation we had the night before, which is when Bailey was like, I'm here for you only. So in my mind, when someone tells me that, it's not like, oh, I'm here for you until someone

comes in tomorrow and asks me on a date. Did you, when she said, I'm here for you only, did you say, well, what if somebody comes down? No, I didn't, but we had had a conversation, not that night, but earlier, which I told her, I'm like, listen, and this was even before Susie came down. So in the first few days where I was like, listen, like, I like, I like, I like you, but if someone comes down and asks me on a date, like I'm going to go on the date. Yeah. Type of thing. So yeah, I felt like a little misled, but that being said, I still shouldn't have reacted the way that I did. Like, I watch myself on TV. Like I look like a child. Yeah. Right. Like I'm 31 years old. I probably haven't acted like that since I was like

nine years old. And then you do it on camera. And then you do it on camera and you're doing it in front of millions of people like obviously i understand why i'm getting some some hate for that um i wish i didn't react like that but um it happens and i just got to you know live with it and and that's a decision i made in the moment your frustration from watching it from what you're telling it seems to come from the fact that yeah you felt misled you felt like she had said like hey i'm only here for you and we do see that conversation happens so like you can kind of see where the miscommunication is watching it do you think if she had said hey look right now i'm only here for you but if someone comes down i'm still open to exploring would that have made your decision harder when it came down

to choosing if you were going to give your rose to bailey or susie like do you think that conversation kind of made or break your decision no i don't think it made her break my decision i think i would have given bailey the rose anyways um but like maybe i would have been like less annoyed and how i reacted but either way like i i'll be the first one to say i should not have reacted like that. Do you think that you were like locked in on Bailey at that point or where you still opened going on dates? You were just really surprised that she also was? Um, it's a good question. I don't remember exactly, but I think I was like locked in enough to that I wanted to give her my rose and keep exploring after I just went on this date. Um, I don't think that I was like

expecting to go on another date, which I didn't. Um, but yeah, like I get from like everyone's point view like I just went on the date like why wouldn't you extend that grace to to Bailey without getting upset like I get it I see both sides made a mistake yeah no one's perfect I made a few mistakes yeah you made a mistake no one's perfect you know it is I get it like watching it I'm like Jeremy what the fuck are you doing but like I understand like I could be in that situation and just have gotten lost in the situation and freaked out in the moment and you make a mistake yeah I think people who know me know I'm like a pretty chill dude um and if you don't know him and you saw that you'd be like this guy's fucking crazy yeah and i get that um and that's what happened and i can't take

it back and i just got to got to move on and learn from it we're all a little crazy that's why we you know go on reality yeah if you were if you were completely normal you wouldn't be on the show yeah this is true there's that so we see that your response to bailey going on this date with Andrew is you go to a producer, you go to interview, and you're like, I want Susie back. Yeah. Walk us through. Nice move. What about Bailey's decision to go on this date with Andrew triggered you wanting to bring

Susie back? Like give us some more insight into your thought process here. Even if you weren't thinking, like, what was the emotion? It barely hasn't thinking that much. But like, it was as simple as like, she had said this to me I feel betrayed I had a tough time deciding who to give the rose to

let's call Susie yeah and like obviously Susie said no like if she said yes I don't even know like what I would do that's weird I was like I really wasn't thinking that was gonna be the follow up question yeah you have no idea have you thought about that at all like what Susie said oh you know what I actually

just pulled out we're gonna turn the car around I'm coming back right now I'm like it was a heat of the moment And obviously, you know, I don't like to live with regrets. I wish I handled it a bit differently. Yeah. How do you wish you handled it? More maturely.

What would that have looked like? Sleeping on it. Yeah. Yeah. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon.

This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging. out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate.

Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not?

To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, West West, Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcasts. You already know our get-down. If you grew up in our urban areas of comfort of struggle, you understand politics much more than you giving credit for. Feds taking over American cities, government hop-out boys hopping out the van, snatching up your Theo and them, two wars that was supposed to be solved in 24 hours. Jerry just out here mandering all over the place. turfs. And of course, the Epstein of it all. Well, this week, we decided to shoot our shot,

and boy, did we pull up from the logo to see if we could get somebody to come tap in with us. And the one and only Jamil Hill pulled up from this politics podcast to keep it a whole century. Because in America, what sells in politics are narratives and storylines. It's like we treat politics like we treat sports, which is part of the reason why we're in the situation we're in right now. Listen to the hood politics with prop podcasts on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcast. or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips.

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and that's been part of the challenge, but we continue to say to them, you were elected to defend your constituents, to stand up for your constituents. And there's life after. Congress. And you should be willing to actually want to be able to look back on your time in the House of Representatives knowing that you can keep your head held high because you did the right thing. Donald Trump is gone in three and a half years. But their legacy or their failure to

stand up to the extremism and the unprecedented assault on America as we know it will be with them forever. Make sure to listen to Spolitics on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast yeah okay okay so susy ends up not coming back now why not tell bailey this kind of immediately just like hey and i got once you guys got back together once she came back from her andrew date and she chose you why not just come clean and be like this is what i did you're going to see it anyways yeah um watching it back

that is one thing I definitely wish I did differently, especially because I am a fan of communication. Like, I could have just told her then. I think my reasoning at the time was like, she just went on this day, you know, she's having conversations with this guy, kissing this guy. I'm not hearing about any of this. I'm having a conversation with this girl. I don't need to tell her about it. But something that I did, I said in many interviews, if things progress with Bailey, like, I will obviously tell her, you know, I'm not just going to like wait until maybe we get engaged and tell her wait until the show is airing and tell her like i will tell her i just feel like because it was still early stages it wasn't necessary at the time okay so that's where so that's also i think

where you're going to get people even now listening to this have a hard time i believe you because i don't think you're lying but i do think people will hear them be like well you had eight days it seems like your relationship did progress yeah it did you still didn't tell her i listen I'm in a position where if I become, like, even a little bit defensive, people are like, oh, like, he's a liar. He's just like, whatever, blaming it on stuff. Like, it's a tough line to, you know, to walk on. But the truth is, like, I was having, like, thoughts of telling Bailey. The whole thing with, we saw in episode seven, the only reason I actually didn't tell her that night was because, like, I went to sleep.

that was my one night to catch up on sleep you guys know like you don't sleep a lot on the show and I wish I could have told her the day before but the day before was like our one-on-one date and the competition it's like if people don't want to believe me they don't have to but like I genuinely was going to tell her and the reason why I was like pissed at Brian um was because I feel like that opportunity was taken away for me sure I technically had a few days of opportunity I just felt like because it's mine and Bailey's relationship, I should be able to tell her like when I feel it's the right time to tell her. Let's take a few steps back because I want to talk about you being in your room telling, opening up to Brian about you still having feelings for Susie.

Help me out with, I guess, the timeline from that conversation to like when you and Bailey got paired up as a team. Yeah, I will say, first off, like, that conversation itself, I don't remember it all happening. I think Brian might even say some of the, like, the same thing. But they were all just like, their comments, some of them were jokes. You could even, like, if you go back, I say I'm kidding in them. And I'm also the type of person, I'll just say whatever. I'm not going to, you know, filter for the camera, whether I mean it or not. Well, I knew you were joking when you said, I hate the Goldens, because I could tell that was...

Yeah, I was talking about monologues that are going on. Yeah, that was clearly a joke. But the whole timeline between, like, from the Susie phone call through those comments, it took place over three days. And we were filming for over three and a half weeks. So, I mean, that's, like, the unfortunate part of all of this is that, like, there are so many good moments. And, like, me and Bailey, our relationship develop a lot from, like, that part out. But there was so much focus on three days.

which were stretched across three episodes that, like, of course, people are going to focus on that. But if you ask me, and honestly, if you probably ask a lot of the cast members, that wasn't, like, a big part of paradise. It seems like you and Bailey had this, like, we're both exploring, you know, you explored with Susie, she explored with Andrew

and this kind of like, don't ask, don't tell policy at the beginning of your relationship where it's like, hey, I don't want to hear about your date, you don't want to hear about my date, we're doing other stuff we both know it but like we're not going to talk about it yeah what's the thought process going on in your mind of like I'm having these conflicting feelings of like I don't know if I'm 100% locked in on Bailey but I know she's 100% locked in on me like where do you draw that line because it seems like you draw it where you're like I'm not going to

talk about anything related to susan until I feel like I absolutely have to but now as the viewer it does feel like there's like lying by omission happening yeah and and And that's unfortunate because I don't think of myself as a liar. I get why people could see it that way by watching the show. It was essentially like we were both exploring other people. We weren't talking about it. If this turns into something real, like we will have a conversation about it. When did it turn into something real?

For me, like the switch for me really happened like when it became like the competition aspect. We obviously were learning a lot about each other. ways but like we were so locked in on each other and it really felt like for my part like feelings were really starting to develop um and even though kind of the competition takes place over like four episodes or so that was like really a main part of of the whole experience so um for me it was probably around the time of like the competition starting and us winning that competition having that amazing date and really just like the weeks after that did you guys have a conversation at all about like okay we're are we boyfriend girlfriend girlfriend

friend like where what is our relationship status at this point yeah no in the future weeks maybe you'll have to tune in okay on ABC and Hulu yeah um on your date the date seems great like you're seeing your relationship kind of flourish is it at all in the back of your mind of like but at some point I'm going to have to tell her this information that's going to really hurt her 100% and there was even a point in the date where you could see on TV where I'm like telling her I'm like you kind of like caught me off guard with the date you were going on like obviously I'm thinking about that but like who wants to ruin this like amazing date with that and then literally the next day was when she found out in your mind what would have been like the perfect time to tell her if you had the chance to do it on your terms so like I said I was thinking about doing it that night I chose to get sleep and I like I can't be whatever it happens like she found out a different way and like we just needed to move on from that when jesse came down and basically introed a whole new show a competition show said no one else is coming down

were you guys like locked locked off at that point or would you if people were still coming down do you think bailey or yourself would have gone on another date no neither of us wouldn't would have gone on another date okay yeah so you guys were you may not have been boyfriend girlfriend but you were exclusive in paradise terms Yeah, and I think we both kind of said that in interviews. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

All right. Let's dive into the big episode where Bailey finds out. So before we get into it, we do see that Spencer and Alex both say to you on separate occasions. We don't know exactly when it's just like clips back saying like you have to tell Bailey this information. Like she has to know and everyone here knows except for her. Were you at any point worried that someone would tell her before you got the chance to? I don't think I was worried because, again, like, I didn't think it was anyone's place to, even though they had the information. I don't know how everyone found out about it.

Obviously, like, it's a small beach and people talk. I told a few people about it, but then word spread. But, no, I wasn't worried because I still thought it was, like, my place to tell her. Gotcha. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot.

He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them.

I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcast. All right, West West, Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcast. You already know our get-down. If you grew up in our urban areas, a comfort of struggle, you understand politics much more than you giving credit For feds taking over American cities, government hop-out boys hopping out the van, snatching up your theo and them, two wars that was supposed to be solved in 24 hours.

Jerry just out here mandering all over the place, the turfs, and of course, the Epstein of it all. Well, this week we decided to shoot our shot, and boy, did we pull up from the logo, to see if we could get somebody to come tap in with us. And the one and only Jamil Hill pulled up from the Spolitics podcast to keep it a whole century. Because in America, what sells in politics are narratives and storylines. It's like we treat politics like we treat sports, which is part of the reason why we're in the situation we're in right now. Listen to the hood Politics with Prop Podcasts on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Imagine that you're on an airplane and all of a sudden you hear this. Attention passengers. The pilot is having an emergency and we need someone, anyone, to land this plane. Think you could do it? It turns out that nearly 50% of men think that they could land the plane with the help of air traffic control. And they're saying like, okay, pull this, until this. Pull that. Turn this. It's just, I can do my eyes close.

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this thing listen to no such thing on the i heart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts hi my name is enya umanzor and i'm drew phillips and we run a podcast called emergency intercom if you're a crime junkie and you love crimes we're not the podcast for you but if you have unmedicated ADHD. Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you.

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Many of them are in fear of their political lives, and that's been part of the challenge. But we continue to say to them, you were elected to defend your constituents, to stand up for your constituents. And there's life after Congress. And you should be willing to actually want to be able to look back on your time

in the House of Representatives knowing that you can keep your head held high because you did the right thing. Donald Trump is gone in three and a half years. But their legacy, or their failure to stand up to the extremism and the unprecedented assault on America as we know it will be with them forever.

Make sure to listen to Spolitics on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Okay, so Brian decides to tell Bailey. We see this whole rendezvous thing happened first where she comes to you and says like, hey, Brian asked me to go for, this rendezvous, did any part of you think, oh my God, I wonder if he's going to tell her, were you like, is he trying to hit on Bailey? Like, what even is happening? No, the phone call

wasn't even, like, a thought in my mind. Like, even the conversation with Brian from, like, a few weeks prior, I don't even remember having that. Like, I didn't even realize that he knew that information. Like, the week, the episode before, when there's that whole, like, Godfather scene between me and Brian. And I think people think it's about the phone call. That's not what it was about. I'd even told him in that conversation, like, we're not sending you home. So, no, it wasn't a thought of my head that Brian was going to tell him. I did think it was like a little weird that he asked her on a secret rendezvous. It was like, I was like, what are you doing? Like, I know you and Paris aren't like so strong, but like, are you really going to try to talk to Bailey?

Yeah. I found it odd. Do you think, do you think Brian told Bailey because he felt bad for Bailey and cared about her? Or you think Brian told Bailey because it's a competition and wanted you gone what do you think what do you think what do you think um i brian and bailey were not friends okay they wore because he's he as a viewer he's i love bailey oh i i i saw it too i didn't see that in person on the beach i don't think anyone did um i think he was trying to play a game and he thought it was it was a good move okay yeah how was it watching back that conversation between Brian and Bailey? Like, I just wish that he had, like, came up to me first.

And, of course, people are going to be like, oh, you had your opportunity. Sure. I still think he should have came to me first. At the end of the day, I can't control what someone else does. It was a hard watch. Obviously, I don't like seeing Bailey like that. But, yeah. Yeah.

She then comes to Yale. wakes you up out of your deep, deep slumber. Real quick, real quick, though, real quick. Keep going, but I just want to ask this real quick. From a competition standpoint, as this game has, as this show is somewhat changed, do you fault, Ryan, for doing it if it was a move, if it was a, if it was a move to get you out of the competition? No, I don't fall. Okay.

Yeah. But it's going off that, I don't think it was out of a goodness of his heart or like a friendship-loving thing. I think it was a, it was a move, and it was, sure, well played. I don't think it worked, but yeah. Okay, nice. Bailey wakes you up. The shot of you half asleep to like wide awake is like just an incredible shot. I can't believe they got such a close up of your eyeballs on camera.

A lot of cameras. And it's just that moment of like you can see you going from like what happened. Like you're probably thinking like, oh, did you go on the rendezvous? What happened? And then it's just like shock. So obviously you were not expecting this. tell us about that conversation between you and Bailey when she's asking what happened. You know, we hear her say, like, do you want to be with her?

She would really distraught. Yeah, I honestly don't even remember, like, the first minute of that conversation. So, like I said before, that was going to be, like, my night to catch up on sleep. I was in, like, such a deep sleep and I woke up. I was like, what is going on? But obviously, I woke up very quickly. There were apologies that happened. And, you know, I apologize and talked about it a little bit.

and we pretty much agreed that like we could continue the conversation like the next morning after because I wanted to give her time to like digest things. I think the part that like kind of sucks about all of that is that it kind of make it seem like I, you know, we have this short conversation and I just like don't care and go to sleep, which is not at all what happened just to be very clear on that. We had a conversation. She was pulled for an interview. I tried saying goodnight to her and to continue to talk to her for probably.

like 45 minutes so then when you see me like all angry by the bar i was like looking for her i was like i just want to say good night to her and they talk to her yeah and then i was like fucking i'm just going to sleep after like an hour got okay can you give us a little bit more about what was said in that conversation between you and bailey like what is she saying to you what are you saying back to her yeah because it almost seems as a viewer it almost seems like Bailey's crying and then she's like and she's almost like apologizing to you for being being upset yeah just give us more insight into the conversation between the two of you yeah like you're saying you know apologies we're given like tell us about those apologies yeah i um i apologize

for a bunch of things obviously for the phone call first off secondly for not telling her um thirdly for her needing to find out from someone else that that wasn't me um she was very upset which and i hate seeing her cry um so i really just like want to to, you know, make sure she was in an okay headspace, like, as okay as she could be. And I wasn't going to try to, like, I wasn't going to try to, like, influence her or sell her on being with me. I'm like, I fucked up. I want to be with you.

She asked, like, oh, do you want to be with her? No. Like, I haven't thought about her in a long time. I want to be with you. And I know she needed to, like, gather her thoughts. I know she needed to, like, digest things and, like, sleep. on it and that's like what i wanted to let her do and we like uh we pretty much said that we would you know talk and like going to walk the next day what did you think when you woke up in the

morning was going to happen did you think she was going to leave or stay um i really didn't know um she she was like an hour late to our walk um which i don't blame her she had a she had a rough night so i think at first i was like kind of nervous um there there was a part of our conversation where like I asked her like do you even want to accept my rose like later because it was the same day as a rose ceremony and she said yes so we kind of just like talked about things there was a part shown where she's asking me about the comment about like proposing to Susie yeah if you go and look back at that like first off like my humor is dry as it is I don't even remember saying that but if you go back I say like I'm kidding like right after that comment's

very obviously a joke everyone out here that thinks that you were actually planning and proposing to Susie it's obviously a joke but I get it but like when when she asked me like I genuinely like I swear to God on camera I don't remember saying that yeah yeah were you cringing when it was aired back and you were like oh I didn't tell her I didn't say that and something that me and Bailey talked about in that conversation was like listen like even if there were comments made about Susie like I you know how joking I am like me and Bailey between us we would joke about Susie so I'm like no I didn't say that but if things were said like I like I want to be with you just to be very clear.

Yeah. Okay, so now we see what seems like the rest of the cast, or most of the cast, I want to say all of them, are pretty upset at Brian for telling Bailey. Yeah. Why? I think there are a few reasons. I think one, they don't think that Brian should have inserted himself

into someone else's relationship when he had his own relationship to work on. that was first second off I think that as much as Brian wants to say like oh I love Bailey I'm friends with her I don't think anyone actually thought that and I thought they were doing it as like a gameplay the strategic move to like maybe send us home and keep keep himself there and also like you only see so much of what's happening and I think people knew how strong of a relationship that Bailey and I had one of the strongest if not the strong strongest there genuinely at the time. And the whole phone call and comments were really like such a small thing of what happened. And people know who I am as a person and they know I was there for Bailey. And I just don't think they like how Brian went about everything. What part do you think Bailey was the most upset about out of the entire thing? Like the phone call, the comments, the you not telling her.

Her friend's not telling her. you potentially still being like wanting susie like what do you think the biggest piece of it was i mean i i i think all of it plays in a factor um i i think she was obviously upset that i didn't tell her and i would be too um i wish i did it before but i can't go back and change that um i also think she was definitely upset that like some of her friends didn't tell her um yeah it's i i she was in a a really shitty position um yeah were you surprised by everyone's reaction to what brian did that they were like going after him yeah were you surprised that the rest of the cast or at least a lot of them were in a way villainizing brian for telling bailey what had happened no i wasn't

surprised at all you weren't i i guess i could see why america was surprised but i don't think anyone in the cast was surprised. I think he did it for a reason. And yeah. You think that the core of why they were mad at Brian was that he did it for malicious reasons and self-serving reasons. Yeah, I think so.

What did, you know, we see in this episode, Brian is kind of like backtracking with you of like what he did. like kind of like I got you like I owe you what was the conversation before that did you guys like talk about did he apologize like where are you where do you guys stand it definitely comes across like hey I know that I did something that messed with your relationship last week I feel guilty about it but just know that moving forward you have my loyalty and it's hard to kind of get a read on exactly how you're feeling where you stand on that conversation yeah I um as much as I didn't like how he went about the the whole thing with Bailey, I respected that he came up to me and tried to talk to me about it. I don't respect still what he actually did, but I do like that he came up to me. But that wasn't going to change, you know, how I was going to vote or anything like that. Do you, and you may not know the answer to this, but where does Bailey stand on the Brian of it all?

Is she? I can't speak on her behalf. Okay. Yeah. Was she defending Brian after? everything went down when everyone was mad at him um i don't exactly remember but i i mean she was obviously you know happy that someone told her about the call and that was brian so i i think um you know she defended him in that sense um but yeah i don't really remember i yeah yeah in terms of her

relationships with the girls that were her closest friends. We don't really see much fallout other than maybe a little bit of her conversations with Alex. And then in this next episode, everything seems to be okay. Were there maybe conversations that we didn't see? Were people apologetic towards Bailey or did they really root themselves in the fact that like no one should have said anything and it should have come from Jeremy? I don't want to speak on something I don't know. I wasn't part of any of those conversations. I'm sure they were apologetic.

But, like, again, I really see both sides of it. It's like one, of course, they want to tell her. But like on the other side, like, they want to give me the opportunity to as well. Got it. Okay. Well, I think, I mean, for the most part, we pretty much covered all of it. I do. So anything.

What about, like, all the good parts of our relationship? We could talk about that. Before we get into that, though, I want to ask who did you. vote for this week to go home um what was it was it Brian and Brian Prisa and Sean yeah yeah was that who you voted for yeah I think so sure so I was insane we covered most of the most of it but is there anything you do want to touch on as far as your relationship with Bailey and what people may not see no I think it's just like I mean you're shown maybe 0.1% of what happens I get that it may

for good TV. So I think that there was so much placed on a few days of drama when realistically, like if you ask me or her or anyone back, like, Paradise was great. Like, there were so many people forming strong relationships. That really is like the bulk of Paradise, which was us developing a strong relationship and like the stuff you see in the most recent episode, like her, you know, doing this great thing for my birthday and getting me cakes and all that. So I just wish that more of that was shown and that people really understand that we were forming such an amazing relationship. And a lot of like the drama, it was like so old. And we were very much past it.

At this point, at this point in your relationship in the show, are you guys having conversations about after the show yet? We definitely were talking about like life after the show and, you know, what it would look like where we would be living and things. like that got it do you feel like all the drama that went down inevitably made you stronger do you think it set you guys back a pace yeah that's why and like i was saying before it's like i don't like to live with regrets like the show and the stuff that happened went down like how it went down um and we were really strong so of course there were things that i wish i did differently but like also everything that we went through made us like such a strong couple um we went through a lot of stuff and like I know that we made such a great team not just like in the competition aspect but like outside of it and like how we would talk to each other and and even deal with like the voting and stuff and she was such a great like partner and teammate so yeah it definitely made us stronger nice all right Jeremy anything else you want to say before we let you go um no nothing all the top of my ad nice

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