Bachelor Happy Hour - Jess & Spencer Part 2: Pickle Traditions and Dishing Advice

Episode Date: February 27, 2026

Today on “Golden Hour,” we’re back for part two with Jess and Spencer! We kick things off by getting into their first holiday season together! From beautiful dinners to pickle traditions, the two are blending lives and telling us all about it. Then, the lovely couple helps dish out some advice to our listeners! Jess and Spencer weigh in on single culture, putting yourself out there to find a partner, and the key to not settling. Tune in now to hear all this and more, and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Did you get to spend those together? We did. We did. Yeah. Yeah, it was amazing. We actually, a family tradition of hers is going to the Biltmore that. Oh, yeah. In Asheville?

Awesome. Yeah. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. Yeah. So I, like, sign me up for next year. Yeah. I'm like, I love houses and real estate.

Like me and my mom would walk in neighborhoods and just look at houses sometimes. I'm like, you're going to love this one. So it was really fun. We got to do Christmas Eve and we actually drove from Dallas to Tennessee, stayed for about nine days, was it? Yeah. Nine days did Christmas Eve in Tennessee. Christmas Eve, was it day that we drove?

Christmas Day. It was Christmas Day. We drove back to Dallas. All my family was here. My brothers flew in. And we had the rest of our Christmas part two here in Dallas. And we did Thanksgiving in, uh, with his dad and brothers.

So what traditions do you guys, I mean, that sounds like great tradition or a great holiday this year. What traditions do you guys want to start? Have you started any yet? Can I go? Yeah, go ahead. Yes. I love it.

My family does not have a ton of traditions. One tradition that her family has, would you like to tell them about the pickle present? Oh, that's funny. It's actually a German tradition. I don't know how they call it. And so we started doing this tradition where you have a pickle ornament and you hide it in the tree. And it's supposed to be like whoever finds the pickle gets the pickle present. But like I'm an only child.

So I always found a pickle. What was your competition? It's the best present. It's the best present. So, I mean, I always got it. If we had done that in my family, there would be bloodshed. Yeah. That's definitely something that we're going to do for, I guess, for each other when we have kids one day.

Hold on. Wait, wait, Jess. Let me explain something to you. You can't give each other pickle presents when you have children. Your children have to have the pickle present. And then they're going there. And then Spencer's right. There's going to be bloodshed.

Yeah, I just like the pickle present tradition. That's one that I like. I like that. I like for a whole lot. And we didn't have a ton of tradition. So I'm just like globbing on to all of her. Yes. Now you have mine. So maybe you could bring your mom suspense to the Biltmore. That's, she would love it. Yeah. She wants to come to Tennessee so bad. She is my, the town that I'm from is so small. And like I've shown her pictures and we have this thing in the fall, the first weekend in October every year called the Apple Festival. And so his mom really. wants to go to the Apple Festival this year. Unfortunately, it's literally the weekend before the Chicago Marathon,

so I'm not sure if we're going to make it. I'd be missing the Apple Festival. Maybe she'll just go and she can go. Make it up to her with the Biltmore. I don't understand when you went to the Biltmore, you don't stay there, right? No, no, no, no. Although they do have, like, they have a spell on site and stuff.

It's like a whole, damn vineyards. They have their own trees. Oh, yeah. Yeah, me and mom, we hit up the winery. And he drove us home. It was great. It sounds like so fun. I want to do it.

Why don't you come with next time? I thought you never asked, Spencer. Thank you. I'll be there. Wine tasting. You guys have a grand old time and I'll just get everyone back home. Yeah, that sounds like a plant. And you have to tell me when you're going to Austin because I'll come down.

Oh my gosh. We need a plan. Or over. How do I say over? Down. It's like down and over. It's down and over. You know, who cares?

As long as we all end up in the same place, it's good right. Exactly. Okay. So now we're going to get into our advice portion. And I recently had something happen. And I think you, Spencer, and Jess, would have a really interesting perspective on it. So you're ready to listen and tell you what you think? Yeah.

I did. So I was out of town recently. And I went into this restaurant. and the woman, the maid or D, the hostess, whatever, recognized me. And she said, I love you so much. You're just, I mean, she just made me feel like a million bucks. Yeah. She said, I love you, the advice you give, you give everyone such a positive outlook on life.

My daughter is really going through a tough time. And I would, and so I said, well, pull out your phone. I'll, you know, I'll do a quick video for her. And so I did. And she goes, would you talk to her on the phone? phone. So yep, dialed her up, talked her on the phone. And she is about your guy's age. She has been married a few years, more than a few years, I guess, because she has, I think, a two-year-old child. Her name is Ashley. And she's finishing up her PhD in June. And she said to me,

I'm really struggling because I'm married. I have a full-time career. I'm trying to balance life with this toddler and my marriage. And she said, I'm struggling, you know, to find myself, to find this balance. And, you know, I'd had a couple of drinks at that point. So I'm not exactly sure what I told her. But I'll tell you what I told her. But first, I'm curious, what would your advice be to her? Oh, you know what? I've been not obviously in that exact scenario, but I think both of us have been in scenarios where we've definitely lost ourselves. And I think that it's just so important for one. And like what we've done is like we've had to communicate what we need from each other.

I think that's so important to be able to be open and honest with your partner. Like, hey, I am feeling really overwhelmed right now. Like I need you to do this, this and this. And I will say Spencer is so good at like trying to find a solution. Whereas sometimes I am, I will like dwell on like the negativity of the moment. And so I don't know if this is so much advice is just like I'm very grateful to have someone who like will be like, hey, we're not going to do that. We're going to find a solution.

What do you need for me? What can I help? Like literally this happened like a couple days ago. I came in. I was just like not having a good day. I have some family stuff going on. And he's like, what do you need, baby? Like what can I help you do?

And he like finished unloading all the groceries. Like it's just like little things like that. And I'm like, oh, thank you. I think it's just showing support and over communicating what you need from your partner. And I would say, I think it's very important that in whatever relationship you have, you retain something that's for you. Yes. For me, that's like going to work out, going to the gym.

For her, she really likes to paint and do a lot of art. I love a hobby. I like a little hobby. And so it's nice to always have something that, that's yours. And I think that, you know, a lot of people, if you're stretched thin on time, if you went on your phone and looked at your screen time for social media, you would find about three, four hours a day there. I think that could be cut down. Yeah, I think that could be cut down by an hour, hour and a half. And whether it be reading a book, like going to a fitness

class, finding a nice little hobby. I think having something for yourself, because if you don't give to yourself, it's tough to give to a relationship. We're sure. Okay. We all spread ourselves very thin. Yeah. And to have some alone time is critical. It has to be. Just find yourself time. Take us an extra long steamy shower with some. Yes, to soak in a bubble bath and lock the door, you know. That's, um, it's, it's a That's some advice I got from my mom when she was talking about dealing with having four sons and a full-time job and nothing for herself. So being able to give into yourself a little bit and find the time to make that happen. I think even though you may be hard pressed to find the time, I think there's a way to find the time.

And sometimes it's easy to rely on the excuse of there's no time, there's no time. Instead of the reality of you have to make the time. you know, which is not easy kind of difference. And you're so fortunate, Jess, that he can hear you and you can vent. A lot of couples, the other partner, don't like the venting. It's all that negativity. They can't handle it. So consider yourself blessed.

And he's helped me be more positive, honestly. Like, he really- I'm all about that too. I tell it to Kathy every day. Yeah. No, no. Susan, Susan, there is. no such thing. There could be a hurricane

coming through a living room and she's like, yeah, that's okay. That's not positivity. There's another word for that. Susan, I feel you. You and I, think the best. Think the best. My cousin, she's always negative. No matter what, I'll say something and she'll

go, yeah, but I go, oh my God, why did you think of the worst possible scenario? Yeah. She goes, would you look through rose colored glasses, as Kathy once said. You can live in Susan's world all you want. Not anybody else does. Well, I think positivity is a great thing.

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thoughts. It just shows that you guys have such a strong relationship. The other thing I told her, and I hope I would give this advice to you guys too, you're not going to do everything perfectly. You're not going to be perfect for each other. Your job isn't going to be perfect. Your children will not be perfect. You can't do, you can't give 100% to each thing in your life. Some days you only have 70% to give and you got to divide it up. And that's what I told her is don't be so hard on yourself. Some days, you know, just can't do it all. Let the laundry go.

Spend time with your partner. Spend time reading with your children. Those are things you don't get back in time. And you know what? So I think that's great advice. You're right. And I never used to do that. I had spread myself in always.

You still do. Multitasking adage now that I'm getting older. It's more different. cold. Yeah. You know, and you got to be a little selfish for you. Yeah, for sure. Well, if you're selfish, I think you end up, everyone else ends up reaping the benefits of

you feeling better about everything that you have going on. I know that I don't, if I don't get my gym time, I'm a not. That's your little crank. I'm not fun to be around. I'm like, go, honey. I know. Let me tell you, if you go to Austin, bring sneakers, Jess, because. when I get the cat, we're walking the lake now.

The Lady Bird Lake Trail is my favorite. So they just, Spencer, when you guys come, Susan's right. She came and I made her walk. She did great because Susan's on a big walker and I will say she did a great job. But they just finished the trail and I'm going to, I probably is probably not trying to tell you, Susan. I believe it's 11 miles now. I'm going to do it. They connect all.

I'm lucky. Let's grab a coffee. Let's go on a walk. I will absolutely. 11 miles. We'll do five, Jess, and then we'll go back and make some espresso. Yeah. You know, what Spencer, they go home and cook. They go home and cook for us and, you know, we'll have worked off the calories and we can come home and have a nice big lunch. Yeah, and me and Susan will be popping some champagne waiting for you.

Some of most, we might go shopping. I'm just going to say, if you know Susan, she, they all came. I don't know if you all know this, Nancy and Joan and Susan came to visit me. And I wanted to take them on the, walk around the lake and I wanted to show them the capital and I wanted to take them up to the restaurant that has a view of like Travis. Don't you remember you were sending me voice memos? We were we were talking. Every time we went by a structure, she goes, look, did you recognize it? That's that, that, that's all they wanted to do was shop. So Spencer, you and I were doing it.

Done. And they picked the meal. Kathy, no. Can I tell them about food shopping? She's like panicking. As I got there first, she's like, I don't cook. I said, I got you. I got you. But we have to go food shopping. Yeah. This girl was like a fish out of water. I just think the grocery store is for people who don't have a life.

Do you use a lot of Uber eats? No. She doesn't eat. I do eat, but I eat very simple things. Okay. Well, that's another way to do that. She's an almond mom for sure. I am an almond mom.

I actually eat really simple things, you know, scrambled eggs, piece of toast. a salad and a slice of turkey. I mean, I was supposed to make the chicken at night and we ended up with all these hors d'oeuvres we had and we weren't hungry. So she goes, now, you better eat this food. You better make this because it's going to go bad. I made it for breakfast.

She did. She made me buy one of those things are like $7 a jar. What those little things called? Capers. That's what goes on chicken pucati. Really? You got to spend money on capers? Seriously, I'd rather have a new house.

I was going to really put the paper. That's okay. Some of them need capers. Do you buy capers, you guys? I buy capers from time to time. When a certain meal costs, they have to be in there. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Uh-huh. Okay. Well, we like to cook. So after the walk, here's what will happen. I'll go and Susan and I will start cooking. Yes.

I'm on double duty. Oh, you're not. I'll just switch you off. I got this. You can hang out a lot. I can. Jess, what you're going to do? I've been growing my hair and I need you to teach me how to use a curling eye. I can do that. We'll cook, shower and then Jess and I are going to shopping.

Okay. Okay. Now, we want to get your take on some of our most asked questions. This is the part about dating. Okay. I'll go first. Jess, what advice do you have for single, women when it comes to not settling. Oh, that's a really good one. It's a hard one. Honestly, it is. Honestly, I'm not going to lie, I, um, my picker was off for a while. So I feel like there's definitely been scenarios, like not every single guy that I've been

on dates with or, you know, whatever was horrible. The majority of them were, but not all of them. I think that there was just things that like until meeting Spencer like I did not realize like these were not big asks like these were I almost felt awkward like when he's like opening the door for me and he is like asking all these little things about me and my family and like just literally caring like I just have never had someone actually cared so much about all these little intricate things that like, I feel like I probably haven't even thought up about myself before.

And he like asked us because he wanted to know. And I don't know. I just think that you, if you're sitting and you're questioning like moments like, oh, well, I guess it's because this, that and the other. Make excuses. This is, yes. When you find yourself making those excuses, it's like, no, no,

you shouldn't have to make excuses for anyone. Of course, like everyone has their bad days. And like we said earlier, like, no one's perfect. There's always going to be things. But I think the huge thing is like, is your partner being understanding? Is the person you're dating being understanding like if you're having a moment, are they like, oh, well, okay, good luck on your. Call me tomorrow. Yeah.

Or are they like trying to find ways to support you? Like that was one thing that, yeah, I was not used to that. And I was like, wow. Oh, there's people that do that. I love it. All right. So what you're saying, you're telling women dating, if something doesn't feel right, it isn't.

It isn't. It's not going to get better. 100%. Don't settle. Yeah. It's like if you have to bring up these things multiple times and you're seeing no effort in them trying to make it better than like they're, that's your, they don't. That's your, yeah.

They're not, they don't care. Kathy, it's like you and I going on a date and they never asked you one thing about you. They talk about themselves. It's like, when is this going to be? You have no idea. We're going to do, you'll have to tune in. Susan and I are going to do a whole episode on dating app. It's a nightmare.

Oh, my God. I can write a book. But I have two questions. One, well, I might as well ask the dating app question first. Do you think it's even possible to meet someone on a dating app? Did you do dating apps? For a couple weeks. Just a couple weeks?

Yeah. It didn't pan out well. It depends on the type of person that you are. You know, people give and receive love in different ways and people need different things from relationships. Like I'm a big quality time person. So I need that face-to-face interaction. There are words of affirmation people that just want to be told good things about themselves

and makes them feel great. I think it just depends. I do think that people don't socially interact with people enough in modern day dating. I think that adding a phone is adding another layer of disconnect between people. And I think it's really easy to have back and forth of two or three messages and write someone off completely. Yeah. Or have a few messages and think they're the best thing ever. And then you have zero context on who they actually are as a person.

So I think if it's done intently, it's possible. But I, every one that I had ever gone on a date with or anything have been people that I've met in person. And I know with us, it was so nice. I mean, that was the biggest thing. I think we can thank Paradise Four was giving us where we didn't have any outside influences. And it was just us being able to spend time together, get to know each other with literally zero other stress besides some of the challenges of games. I actually have more to say on that too, actually.

But I agreed to most of your points. I feel like, yeah, honestly, any of the successful dates that I had before Spencer, I feel like it was honestly me putting myself out there and being like hey i think that you're attractive like are you single and it's either yes or no whoa whoa whoa whoa sorry she did he would walk up to men and say oh yeah oh yeah yeah yeah yeah i do and i have that conversation i am doomed to be single would i ever ask someone out on a date i said of course i am very outgoing but i will not go up to a guy and say hey are you single I think find you no that's never happening. Keep talking, Jess. Keep talking more. But also I feel like, I don't know. I feel like dating apps, it can, like there's people that are

introverts and they're just not comfortable with going up to someone like that because like getting shut down in person is way harder to stay in shut down over your phone. So I do think that there can there can definitely be success stories over the dating app. I think it really just depends on, Like you said, the individual and who you are as a person. Although I don't think you should just rely on one channel of finding someone like still make an effort to like go out to a event or fitness class or farmer's marker, whatever. A hobby or working. Or like honestly like meet people through friends. Through friends.

That's what. or church or, I don't know. Yeah. What about people that are struggling to put themselves out there? What advice would you give them both? I would find a community through something that you're passionate about. So I actually met my best friends here through a church event that we went to. I know that I've met a lot of other friends through like fitness classes.

There's run clubs. There's Pilates classes. there's yoga there's like all these things to do go to the farmers market go to a book club i know that there's book clubs and stuff like that for people to enjoy reading um i would just find something you're passionate about and find a community that's also passionate about it and get to meet people and so yeah when you at least one thing that connects you then like that's already like you're you're passionate about it so it's going to be easy to talk about and then from there she would be the expert right now because she's like finding new friends and everything because i'm

Obviously, all my friends at Pilates class. I love her, which is awesome. But I do think it'd be really nice for her to be able to have, like, her own girlfriends that it's... Jess, you are such a breath. You are one of those people that you light up a room when you walk in. Oh, that's so sweet. No, I'm honest. You are not going to have 10 seconds of alone time.

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Actor, storyteller, and unapologetic Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom-loving and different perspectives. and I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius are misunderstood. A son and Venus and Aquarius in her seventh house spark her unconventional approach to partnership. He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms on different houses and different places,

but just an embracing of the isness of it all. If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chart-side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity, and real life, This episode is a must listen. Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast, starting on February 24th, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcast. I'm Clayton Eckerd, and in 2022, I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor. Unfortunately, it didn't go according to plan.

He became the first Bachelor to ever have his final rose rejected. The internet turned on him. If I could press a button and rewind it all I would. But what happened to Clayton after the show? made even bigger headlines. It began as a one-night stand and ended in a courtroom with Clayton at the center

of a very strange paternity scandal. The media is here. This case has gone viral. The dating contract. Agree to date me, but I'm also suing you. Please search for it. This is unlike anything

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I haven't put myself out there that much to meet girls here in Dallas yet just because, like, honestly, I've been focused on getting all of our stuff settled. And there's also just like so many things that we still haven't gotten to do together here. I'm like, I will. And like, I have been trying new fitness classes and things like that, going to events and stuff. But when I'm working out, like, I'm one of those people that I'm like, I want to work out and not be talked to. Yeah.

You want your privacy. Does everybody recognize you when you go? Yeah, but I feel like people are like super respectful. Like, they'll either, I like, I love when people are just like, oh my gosh, I watch you. It's so awesome to like see you out here in Dallas and then like go on. go about your day. And then some people like, I can, I can tell that like they, they notice, but like they don't

say anything. Yeah. And it's almost like awkward because I, they'll be like, you look so familiar. And I never want to assume that it's because they watch the show. I'm like, oh. I just tell people I have a really familiar looking face. Yeah. Because I never want, like, I just feel like I'm never going to be like, oh, wow.

I was delicious. Yeah. That's so. I just yeah I know that's all right we got to wrap here quickly but Susan you got to talk to them all day we could let's take this off air Susan let's take this off air Susan you always ask it what is the question you always ask our guess okay before we go do either of you have any questions for us oh oh my gosh I wish I would have looked at the surprise I think we need a little bit more time this podcast because we do i think we need a part two definitely part three part three well what you do you

have something you go first okay well yeah susan you're you're dating someone yeah okay so part of my question is i want to know how y'all met and then kathy i need to update on what you've been up well why don't i go first because my update is very short you're oh no i hate a short update from you right now oh no really Yeah. Kathy was with me, actually. So, yeah. But I'm open. I'm going to go out to the gym, the library, the music venues. I'm going to just do it all and say Spencer and Jess told me I would meet the man of my dreams if I went to these things. That's what I'm doing.

I would love to be dating, but right now, no, I just, you know, I mean, I, we don't have time today. And she doesn't settle. I don't settle. that's at all. Don't. Don't. I don't. So for me.

Okay, now Susan, on to you because my story was short. Well, thank God. Kathy had a little bit of French because when I met him, Kathy and I were on vacation in St. Martin. No way. So I had an espresso martini after dinner one night. We came back and we chit-chat, girl talk, washed her face, all that. We go to bed.

She goes up. I go to my bed and I'm wide awake. I'm playing games on my iPad and I was bored. I go, great. I can't. Play games on your iPad too. I do. And I downloaded Tinder.

Stop. First person I saw, but then I didn't go back and check for three days. It was just a moment thing. And when I finally did, it was like, what? Kathy had to speak for me because. So, yeah, so Susan says to me, I met a guy. We're going to meet him tonight. I said, I'm not meeting anybody.

What are you out of your mind? And so she goes, he doesn't speak English. I went, you've got to be kidding me. So fast forward. We walk over to the bar. He literally does not speak English. Susan does not speak a word of French. And I speak enough to do, you know,

yeah, Muibien. She stayed four minutes of the left. So I introduced them in French and then I said, I'm out of here. And he's like, no, no, no, no. And they got their phones out and they're translating. Well, that was he, when he asked me out, he said three questions for you. I said, yes. Number one, do you like to dance?

Number two, do you have ear pods? and number three, I hope your French is better than my English. I said two yeses and one no. Oh, my. So when she left, we had them in our ears. We were there for like three hours. And at one point, I said, you know, where I come from when I go meet somebody or a date or whatever this is, I usually make eye contact. I can't even tell you what color your eyes are from looking at this.

So this is why we have to wrap this episode because I have my bags packed with my computer, my phone, and my earbuds. Who speaks? Not a man. You do what you're just going to translate. We thought it's such a fun story though. So has your French gotten better or has his English gotten better?

A little bit. Okay. Baby steps. I guess my question would be if you could go back in time and spend more time doing any one thing, whether that be

spending time on a hobby, spending time with family, like whatever, what would you have prioritized? At what age? I mean, when you say go back, go back to what age? Go back anytime like at any time past the age of 30, let's say. That's more applicable to myself and I'm selfish sometimes. I got the easy answer. Do you have an answer, Susan?

Go ahead. You go first. No, if you have it, go. No, I've got 10 different ones. Well, the one that, so do I. The one that jumped out at me was exactly what I told Ashley. I wish that I had not been such a quote unquote perfect parent. My kids practice piano an hour a day.

My kids did all their homework. They were in book clubs and they read books in the summer. I was so much about them achieving. I mean, I love my kids and they're wonderful. I don't think that's what he did. He's asking something that you enjoyed so much. Then I wish I had spent more time. Oh, I thought what you.

Yeah, no, that's. No, but I wish I had spent more time just enjoying my kids and the small moments and not worrying so much about what was going to happen to them when they grew up. Yeah. To me, that sounds like a like a regret almost. Like, what's something you would want to do. No. Well, and, but that that makes sense, though, because it could be something that like, I look back at things.

I'm like, man, I wish I would have spent more time doing this. And it's not as much a regret as it would have been interesting to have. Yeah. I don't regret. I was a great mom. I wasn't a perfect mom. I'm just saying something I wish I'd done more of is spend more time with them doing silly stuff. You know, we had lots of traditions and stuff, but just fun, silly stuff with my kids.

I took it as something like a moment that I was having so much fun. I wish I could do it longer. And that would have been sharing that bedroom in the mansion. and bonding with you girls that was so fun i could have done that for a month yeah yeah totally i like that those are both good i can't go back to the mansion and bond in a bed with all the guys but and i wait on that no no no we're cutting right there that that doesn't but literally for today's episode we literally could talk to you guys for hours you are simply the best i personally adore you both. Thank you so much for coming on. We truly have loved to happen.

We love you. Thank you. It was so fine. We love this. We're definitely going to do more of this. Good. Good. Thank you to all our listeners. I hope you enjoyed Spencer and Jess as much as we do. Be sure to subscribe because we have new episodes dropping every week with more of your Bachelor Nation favorites. but maybe not as favorite as Spencer and Jess. I know, they're the best. They're the best. My favorite couple. They're favorite.

All right. So sweet. Man, I'll slip you guys at the 20 later for real. For hyping us up. Just come back to Austin. Just come back to Austin. Yeah. Okay.

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