Bachelor Happy Hour - Jesse Palmer Says DUMP HIS ASS!

Episode Date: August 23, 2022

Becca and Michelle are joined by the man who’s seen it all, Jesse Palmer! In their conversation, Jesse shares his perspective on this season’s most dramatic and controversial moments, including Rachel’s rejected roses and Logan’s switcheroo.  Then, Becca and Michelle share how they really felt about the many hometown dates from this week’s episode, and Jesse explains why he hopes “The Bachelor’s” new casting calls are here to stay. Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode. See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And seriously, though, I cannot believe that we are already at hometowns. It always is. goes so fast here at The Bachelorette, but I'm so happy to be back with you, Becca, because there is so much that went down during this last night's episode. And I'm truly, truly excited to have Jesse Palmer on. Finally, he's going to be joining us. And we get to pick his brain about how the girls were doing before and after their hometown dates, but also with just everything that we've seen this season. Yes. Jesse is somebody that we had on during Clayton's season. I was going to say last year but it was just earlier this year and he just had such good insight

it was fun to kind of meet him get to know him at that point because he was so fresh hosting The Bachelor but he has like a whole new take especially with this season with two women so I can't wait to have him on pick his brain get some more fun behind the scenes that we necessarily haven't heard about

or seen quite yet but before we bring him on let's have a little ketchup I miss you earlier well I missed you last week because you were a little under the weather so how are you feeling? I was so, I was so sick. It was not good. I did not feel well whatsoever, but I'm finally back on my feet. Energy is back to 100%. So we're solid. Well, you're looking good. And before we started recording, you mentioned that you not only had a photo shoot this morning, but you are actually

running to have a little speaking up after this. Is that something you want to share with us or that you can sure I guess. Yeah, it's just basketball in Minnesota is a huge thing, especially like girls basketball and just kind of have a lot of different connections. It did so much for me growing up with looking up to older role models, whether it was the high school athletes, whether it was college athletes who were coming back. And so I'll be able to kind of connect with the youth girls today. So I'm really excited about that. I love that. That's so exciting. Even more exciting. Becca, I have seen you recently. And I do believe we need to talk about one thing that you've been so, so excited or just like pushing for.

And the keyword is Chipotle. I knew where you were going with this, but I finally officially got the Chipotle card. And I kid you not, I not only sobbed ugly tears when I opened up that package and got the car because I was so excited. but Thomas and I have been there every single day for the past five or six days now and we looked at each other last night and I was like do you think we'll ever get sick of these burritos or these bowls and he's like I don't think so

and I was like I hope that never happens because this has been incredible especially with not having an operating kitchen it has been a godsend so shout out one more time to Chipotle thank you for the card so gold card Chipotle but like how is how is the um remodeling going how is that how are your spirits because i know that you've been kind of stressed with everything going on a little stress i have been a major basket

um so i have started calling our new house the mistress because thomas spends so much time with her and i feel like she's taking up all of his energy and attention and so that is what we have named the house. I mean, it's fine. It's like, it's annoying, but at this point, I'm used to just living in chaos. So it's, you know, coming along. It's like, it's actually looking really good. We today have closets that are being installed, but it's just a slow process. So we still have like two months to go. And I mean, if anyone has followed along on Instagram, we moved all of my stuff from L.A. down here, like within the past week or so. And it's just in boxes. It's just staying in storage, the garage for at least two months until we couldn't unpack everything. So I've just like

wiped my hands clean and I'm like what will be will be. But speaking of adjustments and maybe checking out a new place to be for a while, Michelle, do you want to share the news that we were supposed to share a couple weeks ago and completely forgot? I can already see it now. No, I'm just, I'm, I'm excited. It's going to be really different to take. a year off of teaching to be away from the classroom for those of you who don't know I've decided to step outside of the classroom for this next year it's a decision that I would have made whether I had the Bachelorette role or not just to you know kind of take a break and have a little bit of a reset and so I'm going to be spending a little more time in

LA I don't know if Thomas is ready to have me there because I'm because I will be over all the time. Oh, he's so ready. He's remodeling, so he wouldn't even notice, you know? Yeah, he's with the mistress. Hang out with me, Michelle. What the heck? It's going to be so much fun.

And the fact that you will be much closer that we can record this podcast in person, hopefully a lot more is going to be so exciting. And speaking of recording podcasts, we do have a full episode to get into. And obviously, it came fast. Hometowns, I feel like just. shot on up in this season and it's something we have I mean we keep saying this entire season is something we've never seen before we have never had this many hometowns what were your thoughts on that well I remember hometowns and just how quick they came up and you're like we're doing what

it's time to meet families it really does truly come so so fast but the fact that we have two bachelorets we have so many hometowns to watch watch and I would say like this episode every episode's important or I guess like every week is important with connecting but like this this episode or this moment where you're meeting their families is kind of like a make or break you know like it really does shed a lot of light on things so there's going to be a lot of light shed I feel like I have to be completely honest about this episode I thought it was

a little bit boring really? Yes I felt really yes only because I mean interesting it's it was hard for me as a viewer to watch I mean just because there were so many hometowns but

boring yes okay I do want to okay boring really okay so I want to ask a question though was it boring because there were so many because I felt like when I was watching it this was an episode where like I was zoned in like I was truly zoned in I felt so many emotions throughout it that like it was different it wasn't necessarily like juicy chaotic you know it was very much more like real raw emotion so boring really uh yeah there wasn't much

excitement besides with Tina's family and and and and that's fine like I'm not saying I need drama but it like wasn't as captivating to me because it was so bang it was so bang bang it was so bang bang like meet the families for two seconds and then pop out and and my whole thing is like like I like to get to know more of the families right like I like when we had grandpa John last year I'm get with Gabby's hometown he was so entertaining and I feel like because it was so quick you like every family was able to ask like two questions then it was kind of done right like we didn't get to see a lot of the actual hometown itself and when I say boring I think I mean it was like besides tino's hometown it was so straightforward every home and besides tyler being sent home

early everything went swimmingly like it was all great they checked the boxes on like what every typical hometown is there wasn't much more than that for me and so i was just like this is not the most exciting episode i've ever watched but what about tyler has that happened before like has it happened where a family has been brought to like they brought you know they were there and then the contestant shows up and they don't have the lead with them i don't know i mean i'm sure it has i feel like so many things have happened i mean it's been going on what almost 20 years now so i can imagine that has happened in the past um i mean i just don't remember it but can you imagine that though because it's like you okay so when that happens it's like even as a lead you

you're still processing. It's like your family is there. You're excited. And now you're processing the breakup at the same time, at the same time that like your family is waiting to meet them. So you have to explain to them what happened. But you yourself, like Tyler is still processing. Right.

But also keep in mind, I mean, you remember how much you missed and wanted to see your family. Like any situation, I would have been like, give me my family regardless, whether I'm with this person or broken up with. Like, I want to see them. And so, I mean, I, like, yes, it was a very crappy hand that Tyler was dull dealing with that breakup. But also, like, the fact that he could go and see his family right after that, because usually when you don't get a rose or you get sent home, this is typically how it works. And I'm not giving anything away that hasn't already been said. But, like, the person kind of has to stay an extra night or two wherever they are.

Like, if you're in a different country, you still kind of stay there and you're, like, in your own little quarantine bubble. 10 days, Becca. Yeah, well, yeah. 10 days. And for some people, it's different. Like, if you make it towards the end and you're like top three and you get sent home, you have to stay in whatever country is still being filmed in because you can't fly back early because if people are watching and like no spoilers and they're trying to follow

along and like get the inside scoop, they don't want it to happen. So it's like he had the best. He was already in his hometown. He didn't have to fly across the country to go anywhere. He's already with this family. So, okay, that's a good. best case scenario for him i would say um okay so michelle there's two other hometowns that i want to talk about quickly before we bring jesse on which is eric because a he had i mean a very i think his

was probably like the most gut wrenching heart wrenching emotional hometown that we saw because of everything going on with his dad and i mean i can personally attest to what he's going through just dealing with a dad who has passed. And I think it really bonded Gabby and Eric in a way that we haven't necessarily seen before so much so that Gabby actually told Eric that she is falling for him, which I was surprised about because we don't always see a lead doing that, especially at hometowns that early on. Right. I completely agree with you that it just, it honestly, for like the viewers or

just myself included, watching that moment, I teared up. Like, I was in tears. But it really was just this strong reminder that when you were going through this, whether it's a reality TV show, like, yeah, there's like fun giggles, there's other things, crazy antics that happened. But it was like this huge reminder of like the person that you choose is going to be going through so much more with you. So like this can be difficult.

But like if you choose a step outside of this, you know, you're dealing. with potentially like family that passes away. You're dealing with sickness. You're dealing with loss. They're just different obstacles that are so much bigger than a TV show. And I felt like that really was like that message really was sent by watching her and Eric go through that. Yes. Because it's kind of like a, you know what I mean? A make or break. Like you're not coming into necessarily an easy situation. Like that's heavy. And I think Gabby is such a good person to be doing this alongside Eric because she is an ICU nurse. She's dealt with pain and loss and she can kind of understand in a somewhat sense of what Eric is going through or what he's

about to be dealing with with his family. So I think that was really special to highlight that moment. And even just like his mom and dad and like the way that they speak about each other and their commitment for one another. I mean like I know. And again, like not to make this about me but from personal experience like when my dad was so sick my mom was the caretaker and to see her switch from kind of like that wife mother role to now taking care of my dad is something so special it's something that will last a lifetime with me and so I and it also kind of shows how much Eric respects and I think trust Gabby to show her like to bring her into the the mix and show off that that special side that bonds that they have um was really a really a special

moment definitely the most emotional hometown that we saw but there's one more hometown that was also pretty emotional um emotions were running high it was a bit dramatic towards the end and that is with tino and his family what were your thoughts on their approach and just like the realness that they brought the rawness that they brought, the bluntness that they brought. Okay, so hometowns are always so tricky. And it's like you understand your family's perspective of, you know, when you're going through it, you're the one living it. You're the one in those conversations.

You know, this process really does kind of change you with like forcing you to be vulnerable. You do, you're able to build, I feel like a certain level of connection so much quicker because you're not like, hey, what's your favorite color? what's your favorite food? Like you're jumping in and you're constantly like challenging yourself to peel back emotions and talk about who you are, what do you want, all these different things. And so it's like you understand that families are going to be hesitant or come off incredibly tough.

I think with Tino's family or I think when I look at these hometowns, I always check to make sure like it's a tough love is okay and it's okay to be guarded. Are they open, but are they completely closed my? where they're not even allowing themselves to see if, you know, their childs or family members, whatever feelings are true, right? Because it makes sense that, like, people don't understand or families don't understand because it's a lot. Yeah. And there's a lot of truth to that. Like, it isn't always realistic, you know, it is a short amount of time.

Yeah. And, like, there was a moment that stuck out to me, and that was the conversation between Tino's mom and Rachel, where she had made a comment of, like, you know what you're living in right now isn't real like once you get outside of this that's the real world and i could and rachel's like well no it is real and i can kind of understand both sides because we have been in rachel's position where we know like there's real feeling and our hearts are on the line here like we're really trying to find a life partner and so for us it's real i can see where the family's coming from because they're so removed they they don't have the opportunity to talk to their son or to see him date this one.

woman they they are so disconnected where to them yes it feels fake because all they know now is like yeah this crew's coming in to their house and filming you know like the first meeting of their potential daughter-in-law so i get that sense um and and i think for them they really just want to know like what what makes you feel prepared to be able to be engaged after this like it's one thing to be dating somebody and to like right fall in love with them but like do you think in this time constraint, you really can get engaged and see a lasting partnership. And I think for anyone kind of going through this, like you know what is at the end of this, what's on the line. Yes, it's falling in love. Yes, it's a potential engagement. But it's also

the understanding that once you're outside of this, you still have time to get to know one another and to really see how you fit into each other's lives. And we've seen relationships work out and people get married and we've seen relationships end but that's like any situation in life right it's not just the show and so i understand their concern and the hesitancy there one thing though that i think that i took away from watching this hometown is rachel and and she's she's tended to do this in the past a bit too where you know if something goes wrong or not necessarily her way or that she doesn't expect she just i feel like it's so disheartened and it's like black or white like you know she thinks that they hate her right now because of the way that the conversations were going

and I wish she could kind of step outside of that a bit and just be like they they probably don't hate you and they probably would quite like you if they met you in any other situation and setting but they just are here and they care about their son and they're asking the tough questions and so part of me wishes at times she could kind of step out and just see the bigger picture of it's not necessarily black or white or this or that and if things don't go your way in one moment doesn't mean that it's all going to hell and that like this isn't working for you because it you know she continues to stick with it and it continues to show that it works and I'm not like I cry all the time I'm not saying like she people can't cry it's just I think it's so intense for her

because she really cares about Tino and that's why it's so heightened right now for her which I totally understand but I'm sure his parents don't hate her like she's thinking right now so no I just want her to be able to step outside of that and realize it hometowns are so intense well it's always an interesting time and we've lived through it and we still have more to see with hometowns going into next week but with that i know i want to talk to jesse because he's absolutely wonderful i can't want to pick his brain on this season so let's bring him on and bachelor nation you know him you love him so please help me welcome the host of the bachelorette jesse palmer Jesse we are so excited to chat with you today how are you doing i'm doing amazing it's great seeing you

both how are you both we're good we are deep obviously in this season which you have lived through and are now reliving so we're actually excited to have you on because we want to chat not only about gabby and rachel season but also like taking it back to the beginning with you with clayton um but before all of that it was obviously hometowns it was an intense emotional week on the Bachelorette. But there was something else intense and emotional that happened to you recently, and that is that you got married again. So, and the pictures were standing.

Why did you have to throw in again? Well, it was again, right? You got married. Yes, it was again. Yes, I've gotten really good at getting married to the same woman over and over and over. I've done them all the time. It was so good the first. It was so good the first time you had to take it for a second spin.

I totally get it. But the pictures were stunning. Can you fill us in a little bit about how you were in France, correct? Yeah. Yeah, I was. Becca, thank you. So, you know, we were supposed to get married before all the COVID craziness happened. We ended up getting engaged.

Sorry, we got eloped in Connecticut, really small, intimate, and it was fantastic. And as time was going on, I just started feeling bad. And I was, I'm the oldest of three boys and we, you know, we've had two weddings in my family and my parents have gotten to go see both my brothers married. And I just just felt terrible that Emily's family and my family wouldn't see us get married. So we decided to just kind of, you know, run it back essentially and get married where we were originally supposed to do it, which was in province at this beautiful chateau called Chateau de la Garde. And it was, it was just amazing.

The original wedding was supposed to be about, I think, 60 people, 70 friends. And we decided just to do it with just their families. It was super intimate. It was like 13 people total. And it was so beautiful. I know everybody always is going to say, hey, my wedding was, it was a perfect day. We just had the most magical, special, perfect, perfect day. And having her family from Brazil be there, it was the first time they'd ever flown or been on a plane.

Oh, wow. So it was really intense. And Emily was nervous and, you know, we were so worried about how would they feel about France. And it's a totally different thing. They don't speak English. So now you're putting them in France. How's that going to go? And then obviously my family coming as well.

And having everyone together for the week was so great. We have so many amazing memories. And it just was really magical. Yeah. Thanks so much for asking. It was really good. It looks beautiful. I am so happy for both of you.

I'm glad I did it again. Yes. Yes. And I might do it again. Hey, Jesse. Third time's a charm. Third time's a charm. Keep it alive, Jesse.

Keep it alive. Wait, do you speak any French? Because I heard that pronunciation. Like, that was smooth. Yes, I'm a little bit. And I'm a bit timid also when I talk to French. But I had a chance to speak French, actually, a little bit this season on the show. And we were in the app, which was really nice.

How are you going to move past that? like you're not even going to tell us what you said oh yeah i think i was talking about what do you say beckin he's roasting us so we just don't know it because it sounds beautiful nice lampshade michel wow the funny thing about dang okay i feel like french is like you could literally cuss somebody out and it'd be like it still sounds nice it's still sounds really nice yeah exactly it's one of those it is one of those languages it was great i was so happy on this season um that that gabby and rachel got to visit um france and paris and and bruges where they speak french as well it was for them um i just thought it was amazing it was awesome this is now your second season where you have been the host

and so we have to ask that first season with clayton you were in a new role Clayton was in a new role right you guys got extremely close are you guys still close do you still you know you went through that experience together do you still talk yeah we do and I've had a chance to see him and hang out with him and Susie together as well in a lot of different places. It was actually just Susie's birthday just recently so I know they were in New York City.

So Emily and I sent some wine and we sent some dessert up to them during their dinner. I have stayed in touch with Clayton and it's funny, you know, I didn't know Clayton before we started shooting the show. I had randomly broadcast one of his college football games in the past, so I kind of knew

who he was, but I'd never met him until he got out of the limo that first night at the mansion. I think what really made this experience much different for me the second time around with Gabby and Rachel was the fact that there was a familiarity there, knowing them both based on Clayton's season and also kind of being there and seeing some of what they struggled through it and the heartbreak at the end in Iceland. And so, you know, really wanting this to work out for them. But having that personal relationship with them coming into their own journeys, I think made this experience feel a little bit different for me as the host.

Much more personal, for sure. I want to ask you really quick, before we go into Rachel and Gabby's season, I did just see that there was news released with Clayton and Susie that they're actually living, I think, in separate cities now. Is that something that he had mentioned, do you? Were you able to talk to him about that? I know they've been talking a little bit about moving and where they were going to be, I think one and the other

or both at some point I think want to get back out to the West Coast. So I know that's something that they've been talking about a little bit. They seem like they're on the same page about it though. I mean, anytime like there's any type of movement like this, it's like everyone's like they're breaking up, they're not as strong

but I remember reading somebody made a really good point of the fact that they're so confident in following each other's dreams but still being a part of each other's lives and you know, they are, they look like they're very, very happy. And so a relationship would have to be a certain level of strength to go into that

with confidence, you know, going long distance. I think it's a good point. You know, and I think, you know, Clayton moving out to Virginia to be with her and really kind of have that time, I think he really sort of committed himself to the relationship to kind of help. I think he was really, they were both trying to build a foundation and really kind of get that established because even when you're on the show together and you have those moments and you have those one-on-one at group dates and fantasy suites, et cetera, whatever,

you know, you still need that time away from the canvas to try and build and establish that. And I think one thing I really respect about Clayton and Susie, I think they really support each other and their passions and what they want to do with respect to their individual careers now that the show is over. And whether that means moving back to the West Coast for one or for both at this time, you know, I think they're going to keep supporting each other whether or not they live in the same place or whether they don't but i know that they're they seem they're both they seem to be doing great well said yeah i mean i i i love following everyone along like

just being part of this podcast but they are a couple that it did not end you know in the standard typical bachelor fashion and i think it threw a lot of people for a loop and i'm sure you because this is especially for you this is your first time hosting but um it's got to be fun to kind of see it now come full circle and and you know the show and in a roundabout way still brought them together and found love which is important um speaking of something that's not typical obviously having two bacheloretts is something we've for an entire season is something that we've never seen before and there were people out there with their opinions on it um and a lot of people were actually initially very critical of the season having two of them but now that we've seen how it works

and truthfully like michel and i love it what do you have to say to those people who had their doubts about it. Well, I think a lot of us sort of had doubts and unanswered questions because I don't think we really understood what was going to happen, how the format was going to play out. The one thing I think we all know, having been on the show, is that it seems pretty formulaic every season, Bachelor, Bachelorette, Paradise, whatever it is. There's this rhythm and a cadence and a flow to every show that I think as viewers we all sort get accustomed to.

I think having two bachelorets for the entire course of the season, obviously threw that all into whack. And just simple things. How many men are going to be on the show? Who gets to date who? How are Rose Ceremony is going to work? How are hometown's going to work? There was just so many things we didn't understand.

And obviously, Gabby and Rachel sort of took the reins and called their own shots along the way. And I think from a production standpoint in the show, everybody is just sort of riding the lightning a little bit. I respect Abby and Rachel so much because they've had so many different things

thrown at them, things they could have never prepared for. And I just feel like they've handled everything with so much grace and so much class and strength. And their support for one another, I think is something that's really shown through. So I guess what I would say is a long-witted answer.

What I would tell people is that it definitely has gone off script. I think we sort of knew that what happened in the beginning. The hope is that both Gabby and Rachel can find their person at the end of all this. And at this point right now, where we are in the journey, that's still very much in play. So, you know, we'll have to see how this whole thing plays out. It's certainly not over yet. There's going to be a lot of twist and turns coming out. But it has been new.

It's been fresh. And I know this. Gabby and Rachel are both unbelievably deserving of this opportunity. Looking back on it now, had one got it and not the other, for me personally, I would have felt bad for the person who missed out on the chance. I know that. I think that what I love the most about this, though, is that, like, when we all heard about it, I wasn't so much worried about Gabby and Rachel. And, like, I had faith in them with how they would handle situations. I'm happy that they were allowed to speak with each other.

I'm happy that they were allowed to reflect with each other. and like Beck and I have spoken about like do we really have FOMO of like we did a season by ourselves and we now are wishing that we could do a season with somebody else because it is like you are able to like talk to that other person and truly you know reflect in a way with someone who's going through it right then and there so like that piece is really nice and that's what I love is that they have allowed it to go off script like they have allowed it to be it's like genuine and authentic piece, you know, through Gabby and Rachel and, like, they're handling it beautifully. Yeah, I agree. I think it's a good point you make. It's like you're speaking to somebody who's living it in the same time as you and it's maybe having similar experiences or, or feeling different emotions. I think what's been interesting about Gabby and Rachel's journey is we weren't sure if they were both going to kind of follow the same way or if one was going to have an update, update one was going to have a down date and it seems like at times both gabby and rachel have sort of

fluctuated that way so it's so great to have each other to help bring each other to the same level that's that's kind of what i keep thinking and it's funny you know when you're the bachelorette as you both were or as the bachelor i think one of the most shocking things about all this is that when you watch it back when it's airing on tv you realize so many things happened you never you never were aware of you never knew. And I feel the same way as a host, too. Even though you're there, you're present and you're watching everything and whether you're there on set or you're standing with The Bachelorettes or you're watching

back with the producers on 19 different TV screens, I still feel when I'm watching this back now, like, oh my gosh, there's so many things that I missed or things that I wasn't aware of it, I didn't see. And so for Gabby and Rachel to have to kind of try and contain all of that as best they can together has just been so impressed it's so impressive to me i really cannot say enough about baltimore yeah like it could go so wrong and the season could have gone like so wrong and and it's still can don't say that as of right now as of right now i think it's exceeding at least for me it's exceeding my expectations and it's just seeing those two together in those moments is just so fun and i can only

imagine what it was like for you in person. And one thing that Michelle and I have talked about quite a bit on the podcast is, you know, we're all about being even inequality. And I'm like, look, if they're going to have two women be the leads together, I would like to see two bachelors do a season together. Do you think, I mean, and not, I think nothing's going to match what Rachel and Gabby brought us, you know, like they're their own people. But do you think it could work with two bachelor leads in a season? I think so. And I think this show is always trying to find ways to sort of reinvent itself or, again,

get a Bachelor nation something new and something unique and something to talk about. And I think part of it, too, it's a bit of, it's an experiment. I think certainly that was the case with having two Bachelorette. So yeah, and I absolutely think we could see two Bachelors down the road. And when you start thinking about it, it's interesting because I have thought about it. And I'm like, would you get two Bachelors? from totally different heiress. How would you pair it?

Or would it be like the dynamic duos we've seen, like an Aaron and a James or like a Greg and Andrew S. I'm going to ask you. Don't say that, Jesse. It's interesting. What would you take, what would you do? What would be your two picks? Oh, so I'm,

I mean, I'm partial to Greg and Andrew S from Katie's season as a dynamic duo. Or like, I'm a big Mike Johnson fan. So maybe you could do like a, I don't know, like a Mike Johnson and then maybe someone from like a newer season. I think, I mean,

that's interesting. That's kind of what I think because obviously Rachel and Gabby are so close that I don't think you're going to be able to find unless you did like a Greg and Andrew S, which I know thoughts about. Like I don't think it could be that same dynamic that it would be fun pulling somebody

from the past that has been out of the season for a little bit that, you know, has had time to reflect in their own personal life of what they would want and then somebody from a newer season and put them together and have them kind of get to know each other and see how that goes. I think it would be very entertaining. I think we should see it. If we're going to have two girls, let's put the guys in there. And even if it's not a successful season, then hey, you know. I'm all for it. Oh, man. Oh, well, one thing too, I wanted to say, and this is something,

I mean, so Michelle and I were at Mental All, obviously that hasn't aired yet. But one thing, going back to Gabby and Rachel and how fun they are is like the bloopers of them together are, I think like my favorite blooper reel I've ever seen on the show. Like those two together are hilarious. It's just comedy all the time. I don't know how you got anything done. I don't know how this season was finished with the two of them to be quite honest. No wonder you had to split them up. You can't stop them. You can just hope to contain them. That's all you could do. Okay. So you did. like you saw these bloopers you just saw you were around their vibes their friendship how much fun it was is there something that you can tell us about gabby and rachel that the viewers may not know just from

watching them on the screen oh that's that's a great question you know i think maybe people i think people think gabby is just goofy all the time all the time you know the thing about rachel and gabby they're two completely they're their own people they're they're different people people but they get along so so well i would say while both both are unbelievably emotionally mature um and uh i i think my time with them off camera while it's still it's still a lot of jokes and still a lot of laughs they're they're incredibly deep like they're both insanely deep um witty obviously but you can have incredible conversation with both like it's not just like armpits and champagne and and jokes all the time it's like what really it's it's it's incredibly impressive being

around i think both women um that that can really just sort of lock in and have these these deep conversations about um about a lot of different things that's what i would say yeah what are some of your from this season specifically what are some of your most memorable moments that it's like that stands out you will never forget what happened at a certain point Well, you know, well, obviously, I think you always remember the arrivals at the mansion, them two coming out together and just the excitement, getting ready to go on their journeys. The group date at SoFi Stadium for me as a former football player, but that was the biggest group date in Bachelorette history. It was just like hell of dudes everywhere running around, like the most beautiful football stadium. Obviously, the Rose ceremony where Rachel had three was rejected, unfortunately, is one.

that I don't think I or a lot of Bachelor Nation will ever forget. I think being in Paris and seeing Gabby and Rachel in that beautiful city on two incredible one-on-one dates was amazing. The men tell all for me was amazing for a lot of reasons. I know exactly what you're thinking too. I'm like, I can't wait. I can't wait. The listeners are going to have to wait for that one, though.

Was there at any point this season a moment where you were like, what the hell do I do? How do I approach this? How do I handle this? Because I feel like if I was in your position, that would be me constantly. But like, is there one moment where you were like, I don't know what to do here, folks? Oh, God. Yeah, it was the rose ceremony with Rachel when three men rejected her rose. something that no i don't think anybody expected to happen certainly racial wasn't expecting it but

i think all of us i think everybody most guys in the room i think the producers from everybody's standpoint i think we sort of felt like we had kind of had a plan we sort of knew where everybody was going to be going with it we thought we knew where everybody was going to be going with their roses and and sort of how the numbers were going to play out and i mean when i think about it now even now i just remember just feeling heartbroken for rachel I just was watching her, and I could just see her going through the spectrum of emotion. I think she was shocked, she was confused, I think she was embarrassed. So I think in that moment where, you know, where we've all been in rose ceremonies,

we've all been the ones handing out the roses, and then even to be a host in that situation where, I mean, there's an order, there's a structure, that got thrown out of whack completely. And that definitely was like a, oh, crap moment. not because of what I had to do or how I was going to have to try to, like, help facilitate it solely because my, my heart was breaking for Rachel. Right. It was, it was awful. How long did that night take?

Because we all know how long row ceremony evenings go. Like, they're well into the next morning. And I can only imagine, you think it's going to go pretty quick because, you know, you have less guys at this point. But with that switcher-roo, it had to have probably taken so much extra time. It did. it did and then you know Rachel needed time

yeah she needed time to walk away and try to wrap her mind around exactly all the craziness that it just happened and thank God you know Gabby was there and she could speak with her and you know they had each other to kind of try to walk each other through it and I mean it took a lot of

it took a lot of guts it took a lot of confidence I mean for Rachel to scoop herself off the ground and walk back out there and offer up another rose and then have to and then have to do it again and again. I mean,

it was, she was so brave to do what she did. And it did take a while and she needed that time and I'm glad she had it because, you know,

at that point, you know, a lot of us were sitting back watching it and we're like, dude, she could call it right now. Right. She's liable to just,

yeah. I mean, no one knew, no one knew what was going to happen. It was. No one knew it was going to. How frustrating and heartbreaking. just because it's like you're in like you went through that right like she went through that

heartbreak on Clayton season as a contestant not everybody can make it to the end like you go through that heartbreak and then like now you're like yeah I'm in the driver's seat and it's like this like constant rejection that you're still experiencing yeah it's like you're now it's like it's my turn it's my turn I mean all all Rachel wanted was just to feel desired right which I think I think most people in that situation would want. I don't think that's asking too much. And she just had these constant rejections that were piling up on each other. You know, when her and I had our talk on the ship, she'd mentioned.

She said, I just feel like I'm getting a run of bad cards. I can't, I can't break through. I'm waiting for this to get better. And it's not. And like I get goosebumps thinking about it because it's like, you know, I felt that for too. And I was just, I was just wanting something good to, you know, good to happen to her. And I wanted this, you know, for her to be able to write the ship. And she was just going through a really, really, really rough patch.

She was. Well, that's a good part for me to ask this then, because once you were on the ship and Gabby had her group of men, Rachel had her group of men, Logan was the one and only guy really to, I don't want to say jump ship, no pun intended, but like he came and had a conversation about, you know, I, I, I'm still feeling these emotions for Gabby. I want to see where that could go. So what was your first thought when Logan basically said he wanted to break up with Rachel and move over to pursue Gabby? And also in that moment, too, was there a part of you that, like, foresaw how it would potentially work out for Logan?

Did you think he should follow his heart? Or do you think he should have maybe just left right then and there and just, you know, at that point, given the timing, just removed himself? Yeah, great questions. My first reaction was, what are you doing? Like, were you not present at the last row ceremony? You knew how this was structured, right? If you accept a rose, then you're expected to commit to that relationship and to follow that journey in its entirety.

Talking with Logan, though, at first I thought he was just kind of wishy-washy. But the more we talked, and I could see the emotion, he did seem like he really was conflicted and he had these feelings for Gabby and he was just, he wanted to be truthful to himself. I think he always was very aware that his decision was going to be an unpopular one. And he was aware that there were going to be consequences for it.

I don't think he fully grasped, though, how that was going to send shock waves and ripples through the rest, how that wasn't just affecting him and Rachel. That was going to infect the guys that were dating Rachel and it was going to affect the guys that were dating Gabby. Because he had been intimate, with Gabby earlier on in the journey at the first group at the first group date back at the ladies mansion. I know that I knew Gabby was interested in him at one point. And so I wasn't sure that

Gabby was just going to totally close the door on Logan once he had that conversation. But I also wasn't sure how Rachel was going to, you know, or Gabby was going to take the news once the ladies had a had a conversation together. Right. Right. So I mean, I thought that was pretty telling about their friendship when when rachel was just like look if you like them or you think there might be something there i don't want to shut i don't want to close the doors to that i want to give you that opportunity i don't want to sit here and tell you to send him home because he's now just broken up with me um i think for her to give uh gabby that space i thought was amazing one for her and very strong of her um and i didn't you know and i wasn't sure that gavvy was just going to send

Logan packing either. So, you know, he took a huge risk. It was obviously very, very unpopular, and he's, there's been, he's been criticized a lot for it, I think, in a lot of ways, rightfully so. And so that's, that's kind of where that ended. Yeah. Do you feel like Logan had the emotional insight of where he was leaning well before he made the decision that he did? or do you feel like he that's like what the first time where he like truly knew what he was supposed to do?

Because there's all this controversy of he had this and it's unpopular and these are maybe natural emotions when you have two different bachelorets but like you know so many people have said that okay well you played your cards or you were very strategic

so that you made it as far as possible and then you realize once you got to this point that you can't get there with one person and you know your feelings are somewhere else i think he was conflicted personally of course the only person that really really knows that deep down inside is logan yeah um Logan was one of the few if not the only um guy i think that that had had gotten time with both gabby and rachel he had kissed both gabby and rachel he was the only one sort of down kind of that it had

that sort of perspective. And I don't think at that rose ceremony, he felt like he was 100% one way or the other. And I think after accepting the rose from Rachel, I think he realized, I think he was willing to pursue Rachel. I think he realized that he still had feelings for Gabby. And, you know, there were moments I know that Logan wanted to, he wanted to talk to Rachel and wanted to have some of those discussions about how he was feeling. I know one of those moments was on the ship at a cocktail party.

That's when all the hate and drama happened. It got the cocktail party cut short and canceled. And Logan missed out an opportunity, excepted another rose that night and then sort of kind of kept the thing bleeding and going on. So, yeah, I think he was like personally, I think Logan was that he was conflicted, I think. But, of course, the only person that really knows deep down is Logan. Right.

So taking it back, guess like not every night one in particular but usually that first night as you are starting to meet the men um i feel like the team with the leads kind of has a good idea of like who would be a good fit for the lead right and michel i don't know if you did this on your season but you know like kerry fetman the silas will always be like okay who are your top three or four guys after meeting meeting everyone and um my question is did gabby and rachel do that with you you early on in this journey and did it seem like y'all had a good sense of maybe a couple men who you knew would stick around who would make it very far and just be a great fit for those

two um we didn't really have that i mean i sort of knew based on first impression roses obviously rachel and tino had this had this really strong connection i think for her that was a guy right away that established himself early in her mind i think for gabby you know she was a little bit more a little bit more open they were both open-minded obviously i remember a comment where gabby had said like eric was the kind of guy that that she she's sort of he was the type of guy that she's dated a lot in the past and so we weren't really sure you know he had the mullet you know they had a great first day at the mansion on the first night as well um and i know she was really excited about mario too who she had handed out her first impression rose too so you know it wasn't like we had it like

drafted like it'll be boom boom boom both sides i think they were both really giving it an honest and open um opportunity and like what made it more difficult was that they didn't even really speak to a lot of the men that first night there's just so many dudes right and which is i think a big the big part of why they called that first row ceremony Michelle why are you laughing i'm laughing so hard right now because i because jesse i need i was listening from this but i got stuck when you said mario so i need to ask you this jessie what was what were your thoughts first night

seeing Mario and Gabby kissed their first kiss what was your reaction I'm not like the kissing police and I'm not pretending like I'm like you know Don Juan de Marco when it comes to kissing I was all I would say

was they lacked they lacked commitment and conviction it was kind of like yeah the chemistry was missing It was just like, you know, and I think, I think Mario was, you know, it was the first guess. You know, he just talked to Gabby. He was nervous.

They were also positioned very awkwardly on the couch so it was, it wasn't easy. But yeah, it was memorable. Any other really awkward, funny moments that we didn't necessarily get to see during the season so far that, like, also stick out in your mind? There was a lot that went down in the talent competition. Do you remember that? Remember the guys in that first thing? Yeah, there was a lot going on sort of behind the scenes there. There was dudes falling down.

There's things that got broken. You know, it's like every year, there's always like the, there's like warrior bees, wasps that are always attacking you, like during shoots. I'm trying to think of what else. What else I saw? Yeah, I mean, that's probably what stands out the most, I think. I think it was, like that talent contest, thank God, because there was a lot of things that we didn't.

need to see outside of a person taking like a whole jar of marinera sauce and dumping it on himself which isn't the last time that we will see that. Or smell it or smell it. Thank you, Michelle. That's the thing. As gross as it looks, the smell of it is so bad. Is it? I love tomato sauce. I think it smells great. But when you're like watching it in between someone's toes. Okay. Yeah. When you paint that around and you like bonnieres and you like pasta it's like a no go

like it reminds me of when I bring my kids down to the cafeteria and you have a bunch of like elementary students in the lunchroom and it's pizza whatever pizza spaghetti they have it all over their face they're like gnawing on I don't even know how half of it doesn't go in their mouth and they all smell

like marinera sauce that's how it is Michelle you can leave the classroom but the classroom won't leave you Okay, Jesse. Neither will listen to us. There is one thing that I have been dying to ask you about ever since the season started. And it's not something we've ever seen or heard before. And it has to do with your new casting calls

because in the past, they were always very straightforward. If you or someone you know are looking for love, apply to be on the bachelor. This year you've spiced it up. You've thrown in that marinara sauce in those casting calls. I want to know, do you come up with those on your own? It is a collaborative effort. I cannot confirm or deny, but there is a collaborative effort happening. And I, I for one, have absolutely, I'm sorry if this makes anybody out there angry, I have absolutely loved doing them.

I love hearing them. If you ever need some creative writing skills too in the future, I would love to be brought on to write maybe just one. if possible. If the position is open, I would love that. Yes. We would love to have, I know, because we're going to keep doing these. I hope it's a thing that's here to stay. I hope so. We're going to continue moving these forward. It's so good to switch it up. And I feel like it just also hooks people more like, no one likes a commercial break, right? But it kind of just hooks you to like stay around to hear what you're going to say. I find

they're golden. I love them. I love the change. Do you find out that guy you're dating is your cousin? I think it's probably that. No, my favorite is like, like, everyone agreed your ex was a loser or, like, dump his ass. Dump his ass. Like, right, was it stupid? I don't know what it was. Yeah, and it's not just dump them. It's or break up with him.

It's dump his ass. It applied to be on The Bachelor. So because of these. ABC.com slash casting. Because of these casting calls now, have you gotten a lot of good applicants? We have. Yes. Yes.

People just need that extra push. I agree. like know somebody that would be great on the Bachelor or Bachelorette. Go to ABC.com slash casting. I mean, that's not going to get anybody they're doing. No, people are flying to sleep during that. You always start your girlfriends, yeah, you always tell your girlfriends watching the show that you'd be great on the show.

Prove it. Prove it. Can you imagine, though? Like a viewer, like you think there's actually like a viewer somewhere that's sitting on the couch and just like, yeah, he's a loser. Like goodbye and goes to like apply. I'm going to prove it now. Jump his ass.

Yeah, you know what? Yeah, you're a loser. Get up. Is your boyfriend live in a van down by the river? Don't piss. That guy's like, I do live in a van down by the river.

I'm going to go on the bachelor and I'm going to win. Dean is like, oh shit. Jesse's talking about me right now. Yeah. I have people DM me all the time on social media like,

screw you, Jesse Palmer. We love our fan. I'm here watching with my cats and that's all I need. It's so good. My cat is all I need to watch this show. It's so good. Okay.

So you have been privy too much more than we will ever know, just being viewers of the show. But we want to know without giving too much away, what can we expect from the rest of the season? Do our girls find love? Are they happy? Well, see, I think that's the biggest question, right? And we sort of touched on it a little bit earlier.

You know, we didn't know how this was going to go. We didn't know how it was going to play out. And I think I wonder, like, to Michelle's point earlier, when people were wondering about how this was going to happen, what do you think people's hope was at the end of all this two proposals two engagements for both they both find love in the end or were people being realistic and are like you know it's not guaranteed on any season now that it is going to happen so maybe one gets engaged one doesn't but really at this point at this point in the journey right now everything's on the table and is it does one get engaged to both get engaged Did none get engaged? Do they both make it to the finish line? Oh, well, now you leave me a lot to think about.

That's something that nobody talks or thinks about. But you've already seen the hurdles that both these women have had to overcome, particularly, Rachel. I feel like she's had multiple. And then at what point is enough enough? Yeah, right. For either of them. Right. Like they kind of switch, like one is high, one is low.

So I'm hoping that we both end high. And, like, the high is both of them are happy, whether that's a relationship happy, whether that's walking away independently happy, whether that's engaged. But if nothing else, they, those two together, like, they have built this lifelong friendship that I can imagine will, they will be in each other's lives forever. That has been a beautiful thing to watch. So, you know, if nothing else, they have each other. Everybody's lucky for that. They're lucky for that. We got each other.

That's a nice one. Yeah. Oh, my gosh, Jesse. It is always so much fun having you. I'm, I can't believe we, I feel like we just had you on for Clayton season, but so much has happened since then. It's always fun to pick your brain and see you again. But before we have you go, I'm sure you remember, we ask a rose and Thorne from our guest. So basically highlight favorite moment and then low light. So whatever you want to start with. Sure. My rose would be, I think Gabby and Rachel's one-on-one date in Paris. I know the week before that, and I know. LA. They had both had some hurdles. Gabby on her big group date after things that Hayden, Jacob had said to her. And then, of course, Rachel at the row ceremony. So to see them in the city of lights in such a romantic place and had two amazing one-on-one dates, Gabby with Jason, Rachel was with Tino. I think for them, that was a moment where it was kind of an aha, like, okay, now I'm feeling like The Bachelorette. Everything's going well. This is what it's supposed to be.

for me that was awesome that is my rose moment my thorn moment we talked about it was was was that rose ceremony and it was it was my heart was breaking for rachel um that was extremely extremely difficult uh for her and so that that that unfortunately is something i'll never forget um and i'm just so happy that rachel was able to move on past that and and pick herself up and and get back on on the horse because she's she's she's she has a chance she has a chance she has a chance now at this point to really find a new person and be in love. So I give her a ton of credit for that. Oh. Well, we can't wait to watch you, watch the girls as they finish out this journey. I hate seeing this journey, but that's what it is. And before we let you go, I actually

have to give kudos where they are due. Every time we are at a live show, we're even just talking with the team and the production team, everyone says how just kind and so sweet. You are and so and I think that's something that everyone should hear and I've heard nothing but great things I know we've met briefly and we've had you on this podcast a couple times and I definitely can attest to everything that they're saying but it's always really great to hear and so I just wanted to share that with you so thanks for being so wonderful you guys it's so nice no truly truly so down to earth the right man for this job yes thank you both so much thanks for having me on again of course you guys do such an amazing job really well no this

means the world. I know how... You both are pros. Oh, we'll think. Well, we know so, so good. We know how busy you are, you're at the food network right now trying to just keep the electricity going. So... All right. Well, you're still in training. You guys are doing great. Michelle, get some new lamps. Get some new lamps, Michelle.

And we'll do this again. This is going to be great. Honestly, I feel like they're pretty unguide. No, I was actually going to say when you first came on. You just mad about your ceiling. Okay. No, not even mine, but you're mad about your ceiling and you're mad about your lights and you're mad that you were told not to click your pen. No.

Somebody give this man his pen back. This has been so difficult to do this entire thing without clicking this thing just once. I appreciate you both so much. Thanks, Jesse. We'll see you soon. We'll see you down the road. We'll see it. Bye, Jesse.

He's so, so wonderful to talk to, so kind. Everything that everyone has said about him, it just speaks volumes to his character. So thank you, Jesse. I know you are crazy busy, but it's always fun to get, especially the host point of view for the real behind. the scenes and insight. So thank you, Jesse, for being here. And thank you, Bachelor Happy Hour listeners. Don't forget everyone that you can catch all new episodes of The Bachelorette every Monday on ABC or Hulu. And make sure to hit us up on social. You can follow us at Bachelor

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