Bachelor Happy Hour - Jill’s Last Cheeseburger

Episode Date: July 29, 2025

Today on “Happy Hour,” we’re sitting down with Jill Chin from this season of “Paradise”! Sadly, we saw Jill self-eliminate this week, so she’s giving us her “Paradise” tell all. We kick things off with her pre-“Paradise” breakup and what made her say yes to this season. Then, we get into her entire journey on the beach from start to finish, especially the drama between her and Jonathon. We also discuss what’s next for Jill now that she’s off the show; did Joe just become her matchmaker?! And before she goes, Jill lets us know who she was hoping to see on the beach and if she regrets her decision now that half a million is on the line! Tune in now to hear all this and more and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime Podcasts and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, West West, Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcasts. You know I get down. You come from the urban areas. You understand politics more than you giving credit for it. Between Jerry out here, Mandarin all over the place, hop-out boys snatching up family members

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and Politics and on the latest episode of Spolitics, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries joins me for a candid conversation about the state of the Democratic Party. What do Republicans say to you privately that they won't say publicly. Many of them are in fear of their political lives. We continue to say to them, you were elected to defend your constituents and there's life after Congress. Make sure to listen to this episode of Politics on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Joe. And I'm Serena. And we are here today with Jill. Jill, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour.

thank you it is fabulous to be here yeah it's been a while when was the last time we had you on what was it for do you remember i have no idea did you come on and co-hosts uh something with me well yeah and then you were gallivanting for a little bit and i took over so yeah i've been really picking up a lot of your slack oh yeah that's true what were you doing um you left jill hanging all alone no i think i think i had some other people i think i was on the goat at the time yes he was he was yes i see i see moving on from that uh jill we saw you in i think newport a while back right was it was it was it new port that we saw you and you i remember you had a boyfriend that had a mustache yes very good that's right okay what happened to that boyfriend well you can

probably um oh he dumped me at the beginning of the year oh at the beginning of this year Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Okay. So tough start to the year. But, you know, we turned it around, kind of with Notchart Paradise. Yeah, sure. If you want it, that's a good way to put it. Um, yeah. I mean, but honestly, like, after that relationship, it took me, yeah, probably about like 30 seconds to get over it. So sorry. But like I was so, it was, it was time. It was like actually a really good positive thing. Okay. That's good. Okay, so then leading up, so break up, beginning of the year, Bachelor of Paradise, people don't leave, I think, like, till end of May-ish. No, it was earlier this year. It was earlier.

It was in like April. Okay. Were you dating in that period? No, God, no, no, no, no, I wouldn't dare. No, I'm not interested in, like, we'll get into the whole thing, but no. Well, let's get into it. You're not interested in dating off of reality television? I don't date muggles.

No, I'm kidding. No, it's just so sick and twisted out there. Like, I wasn't going to do the dating apps. I haven't been on the dating apps since I was in college. And so, and also like the- He's laughing at your muggle joke. Oh, yeah. Well, that's what I call non-magic bachelor nation people as muggles.

But no, I actually should only exclusively date muggles. But yeah, it just, the dating world is really bad. And especially in Newport, it's like, I know everybody, it seems. And so I didn't want to get on the apps. I was just like in my, I was like, Hot Girl Summer, Hot Girl Summer Loading. And actually Bachelor in Paradise called me two weeks after I got dumped. So I was like, eyes on the prize, baby, eyes on the prize.

Yeah. That's crazy. Wow, they work fast. How did you meet your ex then? Oh, I met him through my mom. My mom set us up. Okay. Crazy.

I knew that. That's amazing. I knew that. Yes. Yes. I do remember you say. this. So you get dumped. You're like, this sucks, but for the best. And then you answer the phone and they're like, hey, Jill, rumor has it. You're single. Do you want to come back? What was your initial

reaction? I said, I'll take the call. You know, I'll take the call. But I, you know, obviously, you guys have been to paradise, like in that, you know, in Ply-esque and Dita. And so my last experience I wouldn't say was like gleaming. So I was a little hesitant to say yes. And also I'm like more established in my career. I have like a more serious job. And so I was like, I don't know if they would even allow me the time off to do this. So it was definitely a conversation, like multiple conversations had to be had, um, many of them just in my own brain of like, do I want to put myself through this again? But once I heard like it was going to be in a new place and they were going to shake things up and they promised me, they promised me older, more established men

with jobs, J.O.Bs. And that was not the case. Yeah. yeah i feel like you're not the first person that's come on here and said that they made some promises that they didn't deliver on with the older men well i think let's i think they did deliver but just not enough for all the women that they promised them to right exactly like there was like it was one guy that was the guy that was him and you know i'd seen dale in like the lifetime movies and you know i just knew like dale and i weren't going to buy but like they're like there's older men there okay well i didn't mean the golden if I'm being frank like they did deliver on the older men but I'm not like I didn't wasn't

thinking that old although like my range is like 35 to coffin lately so I mean yeah it just they did the old bait and switch but it got me there was there anyone that you were hoping to see down there yes dearly deeply of course yes less there's two people one and like both are like reaches for sure but on the last season of paradise I fumbled Alex Bordy so hard. Yes, I remember him. Like, that's the guy. Like, that is... Wait, really? I don't know if I would have put you two together. No one would, but it's perfect. In my head, he knows. Oh, yeah. We've, like, we've spoken on the phone. We text, like, not regularly, but like, we check in with each other, like, me, probably more on my part. But, no, I think it would work. Give me 10

minutes are with Alex Boardy I can make something well why why haven't you guys made it like an attempt he's not he has he's got walls up he's Russian he's got walls up he's very like you are here I am there I and I like there was I tried to you know I tried to slip in and once I saw there's a little resistance I'm like you know what it's fine it'll just stay a crush it's just where does he live he lives in Detroit okay and you are in Rhode Island okay yeah but you were probably thinking like if you can get us down here on a beach for three weeks I can make some shit happen absolutely yeah who is the other guy the other guy is this I don't think I've ever said this ever in my life but um there's this guy who was a night on Michelle season and I think we would actually work like this is someone I'm like okay yeah like this is like a stable guy he's I mean he's tall he's gorgeous um former football football player um it's his name it seems brian witzman he's so is this the guy from chicago yeah yeah clay you know him yeah i don't but i know him

and okay no he was just no i like him he's really nice he was just on um vacation with clay who i saw because they had a layover in new york for like 24 hours so i went out to dinner but yeah they were just on vacation so wait that's who you went out to dinner with yeah but brian wasn't there Brian it was oh it was Clay another guy and then Brian was not there but Brian was on vacation with them so he's he's a big guy he's tall

yeah I need a big boy okay have you met no we've never met but we like chatted in the DMs we've shot in the DMs okay okay I mean I can put the word in if you if you'd like I don't know literally put the word in but like Clay's like really close with them yeah somebody please anybody I'm like but he's like the type of person established normal like he seems like good values like that's that

that's my vibe right like I need this is how I describe my person is like they need to be like like the core of the earth and like I'm just like the little la la la la that like you know I need like a tether to reality okay I was going to ask you you have such personality like how are you looking for a guy that like also has that personality are you looking for someone more grounded and like chill oh I need someone grounded I need someone who I need a balance and I need to be like the funny one I need to be you know Joe's texting right now come on Joe get this going you want me to get this going I might as well right see like so yeah no I and I would love someone with personality they have to think I'm funny though

like period like you know I do need someone more grounded because like I look at my sister and my brother-in-law and I'm like that's what I need okay gotcha yeah well that's not fun if you're like I have such personality and you're not giggling at my jokes Right. No, totally. And some people just don't get it either because there obviously is more like beneath the surface. But this is just, you know, it's who I am. All right. I love that. Well, well, Joe tries to set you up with a future husband. Let's get into how did you prep for paradise? How are you feeling going into it? Because I feel like they actually didn't get into this enough while you were on the show that you had been down to paradise before and you kind of had like a whole situation down there. And I feel like, like that kind of we just moved past that on this season yeah yeah i okay so i'm very well medicated now um thank you so and also just like being in a two-year relationship will do that to you like i genuinely thought i was going to settle down with this person and so i had never like left that space of like i'm ready for the next step and so you know i think touching grass and like getting

you know really seeing what i want and a partner prepared me because there's some people that like even like I meet or my friends will they propose to me like oh what about this person I'm like if I was 22 I'd ride this till the wheels fall off but I'm like 30 and I'm looking for something a little more serious and so you know obviously you learn a lot of lessons when you're in paradise like not everything is like life or death I was definitely thinking like oh my god like if I get eliminated Jesse is going to shoot me out back and no one will ever see me ever again so like I just learns like it's really not that serious and we're supposed to be here for fun and it's this was supposed to be fun and you're supposed to get to know people and so i just wanted to get to know everybody because i should have given everyone a fair shake last time and last time you came in kind of in like a preset love triangle with romeo right right yeah that was weird congratulations just had a baby love that for him oh my god i forgot that i feel like i did hear that that's wild the father congrats to romeo on fatherhood um going in this time who did you know like was there anyone where you were like, oh, we've met, have my eyes on them? Or were you like, no, I'm not doing

that again? Oh, no, no, no. I was like, I'm not doing that again. No one also, like, really peaked my interest. This is no offense to anybody. Like, no one was really, like, peaking my interest. And I, so, like, the people I'd met with, obviously, like, Justin and Andrew, like, I didn't know Andrew was going to be there. Justin, I had a better idea that was going to be there. So, like, he was a friendly face. I knew of Spencer. I'd never met him or spoken to him. Jonathan, and this is one thing I want to clear up. Jonathan said that we had met before. I've never met. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you got you never met because it was, did he say you guys were like had a friendship prior? I thought he said that we had met. No, he said that we had met. I wrote it down in my notes. Oh, okay. He said,

we had met. No, he said, I met Jill, I, he said, I met Jill once before. That's not true. I spoke to him on the phone through Rachel, but like, I've never met that man. Okay. So we're clearing up here and now, Well, met is a loose term. Yeah, I would, I would, like, if we had spoken on the phone. FaceTime or audio only? Audio. If we had spoken on the phone, I would could potentially say that. Or like, I know her.

You could say I know her. I would say we spoke on the phone. I would probably just be directing to ask me. I spoke on the phone. But I never met her on a phone call. Yeah, like we've spoken before. Yeah, that's, I've never met that man in my life. Okay.

Okay. All right. Yeah. But I really didn't know. who is going to be there and I, you know, I know, I know I know of everybody. You know everyone in the niche, but you don't, you know, you know, you don't know, no, no, no. Were you happy about the new setting and the living conditions when you got there? I was so happy.

Seeing the beds and feeling the AC was just like, ah, the food was great. Like the whole setup was just at first, honestly, when I walked in, I was like, who do I talk to you? What do I do? No one's telling me what to do anything. I'm like, it was a little, it was an adjustment for me coming. from like the old guard um and also just like the noise from the waves like it adds but i walked in and i literally was like oh my god it's really quiet because it was weird like the setting took a little bit to adjust to like this like kind of villa-esque but oh my god it was so nice

my boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now i'm seriously suspicious oh wait a minute sam maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit well dakota it's back to school week on the okay story time podcast so we'll find find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now hold up, isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. It's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists

there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, Wes West, Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcasts. You already know our get-down. If you grew up in our urban areas of comfort of struggle, you understand politics much

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I'm Jemail Hill, host of the Sports and Politics Podcasts, Politics. And on the latest episode of Politics, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries joins me for a candid conversation about the state of the Democratic Party. What do Republicans say to you privately that they won't say publicly? Many of them are in fear of their political lives, and that's been part of the challenge. But we continue to say to them, you were elected to defend your constituents. to stand up for your constituents and there's life after Congress and you should be willing to actually want to be able to look back on your time in the House of Representatives knowing

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Yeah, I did like falling asleep to the waves and the sounds of nature in paradise. Yeah, right. Okay, so you, you get a date card, correct? Mm-hmm. Yeah. And you take Jonathan. Yeah. Okay, so the, what, like the perception of why you took him and why he said he would go is because you guys had a, was it like friendly, like, we're friends.

Let's, yeah. Let's just, was that, were you on the same page with that? Yes. We were totally on the same page because when I got the date card, I look like angry because I'm like looking at at Susie's and she had the jet ski and I had this like little thing like the BIP suite. And I was like, oh, what the because I was going to take Justin. I said, Justin, I was like, Justin, if I get this day card, you want to go and be like, we'll just have fun. Like I was literally just looking. I was looking around and I was like, I'm there's nobody here for me to take. So Justin like, please you're my friend. And he said, well, he said, well, we'll see what's on that date card. Because, you know, he probably. wanted to go jet skiing so I was like damn it like I can't take Justin now so I was looking for another friendly face and Jonathan and I had spoken before and so I went up to him and I was like you know what like I know you're with Alex I don't want to step on any toes like will you be my friend will you be my friend and he but then he was acting like you know it was like dog's last cheeseburger vibe like he was like if this is jules last day in paradise I'm

gonna make it the best day ever I'm like okay damn like that was crazy but um but I I was happy to go with him as friends. I knew it was friendly. I knew it was just friends. I'm so sorry. I'm going to like cry laughing at that invitation for his second. Yeah, I'm sorry. No, I'm sorry. No, he meant to Jonathan without how hard I'm laughing right now. But like, literally that is what he was doing. He was doing dogs last day on earth. Like, I'm a, like, appointment is booked. I'm got to be euthanized. Like, I'm sorry. That was so funny. And I was trying to hold it in because I didn't want to be rude. But like, that's literally what was happening. Okay. So.

All right. And then, were there any romantic sparks at all on that date or after that date? What kind of like get into that relationship a little bit? Because then it ends. Yeah. Yeah, you go on this date. You're twistering it up. There's like a kiss shared because, you know, you're on top of each other and on a date on The Bachelor.

But like, what are- He's just trying to give you the best last day of your life. Try to give me my last cheeseburger. So I was like, So on the date, the whole time, even like the producers, everyone was like, what's going on here? Like, it's this friends? I thought it's just friends. And I, so everyone was like, what's going on?

And I said, I don't know. I don't know. But when he kissed you, was that when, like, the confusing point came in? I mean, yeah. Or was it just like the overall vibes of the date. It felt like it was going in a more romantic direction than you had expected it to. Like, there was obviously, like, good banter. Like, that was our first time, like, really spending time with each other, like, one on one.

And so I was like, okay, like, this is cool. Like, maybe there's a podcast. possibility but like we're just friends so I don't know no one wants to broach that topic right there's a song that I really love and says friendships ruined with just one kiss and so I remember laying there and you know the prompt was like kiss the body part and I remember thinking in my head he's going to kiss my knee because it's the closest thing to him and he says well I guess I'll kiss you on the lips oh wait is that how it went down yeah wait why did I not that didn't register in my brain yeah it's a kiss a body part when he was on the podcast the way he

he was explaining it to me, I guess I interpreted it as like, oh, we're supposed, we were supposed to kiss. And we were like, oh, we're friends. We can kiss. No, no, no, no. It said kiss a body part. And I thought he was going to kiss my knee because literally it was the closest thing to him. And I remember thinking that. And then he kissed my lips. And I was like, oh, he was like, okay. So, and he said, and then he said on your podcast, he said, you know, we kiss friends on the lips. Brother, what? Yeah, he was like friends kiss. Like, we can kiss our friends on the lips. sorry? Like I don't like maybe my friends I've been best friends since I was like five years old, but like I just met you homie. We're on a dating show. What do you think we're doing? Yeah. So and then in his interviews, it was even more confusing to me because like you obviously see how this progresses. And like in his interviews, he's like, we're kind of riding the line between flirty and friendly and blah, blah, blah. So I'm like, okay, so I wasn't crazy. So I wasn't crazy. No. And it did translate that you guys were writing the line between flirty and friendly. Right. And then like what you didn't see was like there was, we had like a third, like 30 to 40 minute conversation where we're just sitting there like getting kind of like deep. Like we're kind of getting into it with like the serious conversations. And I was like, okay, this is like really good. Like we're friends, but we're, I still didn't know where we stood after the date. But like obviously there's roses on the table. And like I'm going to try. Right. Like I'm going to at least try. So I just let him know. Hey, if you're interested, I know you're with Alex. Like no pressure. But if you're into it, I'm into it. Yeah.

do you regret at all maybe going in there like basically saying like hey this is just a friendly date like do you want to do this would you do you kind of wish you would have just went in there like I'm just going to take a shot and if something's there no no no because I mean he also set those parameters as well like he said you know I think it's to be more friendly he said he it was giving like he felt bad for me and he wanted to give me like this nice date so I just rolled with that. I wasn't going to put any more pressure on it because I, again, I didn't want to step on any toes, even though you're supposed to do that. But like, I didn't really want to and I didn't want to like insert myself. And so I knew it was just going to be friends and that was fine with me. Whatever. Were you at all like considering just leaving? Just like I got down there. I'm not interested in anyone. I have this day car. There's no one I want to bring. I'm leaving. Yeah, no. The first night that I got there, I walked back to my room crying. And I was going to self-eliminate before like during the rose ceremony. But then that was my plan. I was just

going to go home. I was going to self-eliminate. I was like going to interrupt to be like, hey, guys, like, I'm just going to go. But then Jonathan said that thing to me before the rose ceremony, which gave me like a little bit of hope. I was like, you know, let's just like roll the dice and see what happens. But apparently that's not what he meant, I guess. Well, and I think it is, A, for part one of what you said, I feel like everyone coupled up crazy fast this season. like usually when you come down when you and Susie did like there's still a decent amount of guys that either like their connection went home or their connection has jumped to someone else and they've like opened up for availability like we're seeing so many couples right of the gate which makes it way harder for people coming in obviously and then to the second part of what you're saying with Jonathan I think it's important information that maybe I didn't realize I feel like watching it you guys kept saying like we're friends we're friends I'm like oh these guys are like friends But you are just like, you've met and you've locked into the friend zone. It's not like you have this like relationship where it's like it would be weird for us to date now because we've met a couple times.

Like, you met on the phone one time. You came in and yes, you're going on this day as friends. But I can now understand how you were maybe thinking maybe a connection could be developing. And also, like I was going off of the information that I was given. Like the information that I was given was how he was acting towards me. I guess he's a really flirty person, and that's just, like, not necessarily who I am. And as this, like, kind of develops, like, you know, whatever our argument was develops, you kind of see that Jonathan considers friends something that I necessarily don't consider friends.

And so, like, you can kiss your friends. Okay, that's not really how I see it. Like, you know, and then he said, you're making my decision harder and that whole thing. And so I was going off the information that I was given was that, oh, there was something about our conversation and about our connection that was making his decision harder. How else was I supposed to interpret that? Yeah. No, I think that's, I think that's how you should. And I do see his perspective, like, I see his perspective where, like, oh, I had this connection that I didn't have with Alex, but it wasn't specifically about Jill,

but I didn't specifically say that. Like, I can understand where a miscommunication could happen. But just like, after that conversation on the daybed, that was it for me. I was just like, okay clear it up understood well he didn't really have a connection he didn't have a connection with alex either like he did not have a connection with Alex no not not really no had they like ended at that point i'm trying to remember yes yeah they had ended and so that's why i was confused i was like i have the rose and no one's pursuing me i was like that's really strange like jonathan's not putting in any effort even as friends do you think i wanted to give my rose to sean no like i would of much rather. I'm no stranger to a friend Rose. Like, if Jonathan is truly there for me,

because I did feel like a connection to Jonathan, like, if it's just on an emotional level, that's fine. But I felt more of a connection towards Jonathan than I did towards Sean. And he could have gotten that rose, but he was putting in no effort. And I remember Dale saying, close mouths don't get fed. And I said, period. Period. Period. Pocket. Like, go Dale. Right. So it's like, right, close mouths don't get fed. Sean's at least putting an effort, even if it's like, just to get the rose. I mean, he's putting an effort. Yeah. I got to reward that. I'm not going to reward something that's, like, not serving me, right? Yeah. Well, and you're probably looking at Sean, like, all right, you're at least trying. You're showing that you want to be here, even if it's not

with me. And like, yeah, you deserve the opportunity to then stay. And like, keep putting that effort. Hopefully someone will come down that you're like, you know, ready to go for. Right. Like, you're playing ball. Like, Jonathan, it didn't seem like he, he wanted to stay almost. And some of the things he said to me were like a little disparaging like he was saying that like he insinuated that I was a charity case like well I did something really nice for you so you should be nice to me brother what like it was so confusing I'm just like wow like that was not really nice of you to say like I'm not a charity case I'm not pining after you specifically I'm just expecting like clear communication yeah was bizarre let's dive into the conversation between

you guys at the bar oh my god um yeah it was giving like like he'd had a few drinks you guys had a few drinks and like you just could not get the communication no i i know i mean on the show i'm just saying like the communication was so disconnected like i felt that she assumed you were drunk no i knew you guys weren't drug i was just providing like a visual like it was such a pathetic conversation and you're like what's happening here like it is not clicking between these two people. No, it's not clicking because so I was, when I walked by, I said, I was going to bed. I was saying my good nights. And he pulled me, he says, I'm so sorry. And I said, why? Because truly, I had been over it. Why are you apologizing to me? There's nothing to

apologize for, right? Like, I'm over it. I dead it. Let's just say I dead it. And so he's bringing it back up. And at one point in the conversation, I said, Jonathan, is this apology more for you or is it for me because I don't need an apology. It sounds like you're trying to write the wrong of like you coming off as, you know, however you're coming off. You're not feeling secured in the way that ended and I have to now provide that for you. It's not an apology for me. It's an apology so you can feel better. That's what I gleaned from the conversation. And he was getting emotional and I was like, well, what's going on here? Like, why are you feeling emotional about this? There's nothing to, like, I don't feel negatively towards you. Am I a little confused and annoyed? Sure.

But I don't feel, and I think what happened was like he had said that, you know, like the way that we see friends clearly didn't. He was like, well, you're, you're acting a different way towards me. Well, yes, because I treat my romantic partners, my potential romantic partners differently than I treat my friends. And so I don't think he was like comfortable with that. Do you think he had a sense of guilt and was like worried like, oh no, Jill thinks I'm like, bad guy and I don't want her to think that about me and I want us to be on good terms and like thought from that conversation that you were going to be like it's all good I think you're amazing we're great and like because you weren't really giving that to him he just kind of like

kept going yeah he like kept going and like the thing with me is like once I find out something about a person I do it's not like I hold a grudge but I'm just like that's in my head I don't have to like love everybody dearly and I just honestly needed space for that because the information that I was given was not clear information. And so I'm not going to keep putting my energy and time into a relationship that is not like serving me, especially after you say some like weird things to me, acting like I'm charity, acting like I should be grateful that I took you on this date. Oh my God, I should be so grateful that you went on the date with me. Like he was almost making me feel like I was, I should be like thanking him.

and I should be, which is like, dude, how, oh, yeah, how awful it was to spend time with me. How terrible. I'm so sorry you had to do that and play Twister. I mean, I kind of am. But like, it was just, he was making me, the whole time I felt crazy, the whole time I felt crazy and the messages were not getting through. Yeah. Do you think, do you think he was also worried about how he was going to be perceived from the

audience? Do you think that? That is the main, that is the main reason that I believe. I don't think he actually cares about me. because he hasn't reached out to me since. And so, like, fine, fine, fine. But, like, I know that you want to be, you're the good guy. I said certified good guy.

I rescind that certification, not because I don't think that he has, like, the potential to be, like, a good guy, but I think he's so worried about how he's perceived rather than the actual feelings, because I didn't need that apology. Like, he needed to sit with that, like, sit with the discomfort and, like, the way he's being, you know, the way he's moving rather than. the way I'm feeling. I can feel whatever I want. Yeah, I think we see that more, like, as years go on,

more people that come on reality TV in general, but like especially The Bachelor, it seems like people, like if they get labeled the good guy or the good woman, like they really want to hold on to that or harness that and they get so worried that that's going to fall apart. Yeah, but it could also even be more of a micro skill if he doesn't want his friends and the people there that he's spending every day with or Jill

to think he's a bad guy. For sure. Totally. Totally. I fully understand that. I've never personally had that because I've never been the good guy or the good girl. So I'm not like,

but I can totally understand that. And I would have thought, I would still have thought that he was a good guy if he had just come to me, had been honest and not tried to flip my words and not tried to manipulate me into thinking that I should be grateful or that I made me feel like I'm a charity case or, you know,

X, Y, and Z. I would have still thought that. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon.

This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy?

That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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Everyone say hello, Ed. Hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer. and my mom is a cousin, so like, it's not, like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago.

I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. On 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage.

Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Jamil Hill, host of the Sports and Politics Podcast Politics. And on the latest episode of Politics, Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries joins me for a candid conversation about the state of the Democratic Party. What do Republicans say to you privately that they won't say publicly? Many of them are in fear of their political lives, and that's been part of the challenge.

But we continue to say to them, you were elected to defend your constituents, to stand up for your constituents. And there's life after Congress. And you should be willing to actually want to be able to look back on your time in the House of Representatives knowing that you can keep your head held high because you did the right thing. Donald Trump is gone in three and a half years, but their legacy or their failure to stand up to the extremism and the unprecedented assault on America as we know it will be with them forever. Make sure to listen to Spolitics on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. He said that I was questioning his intentions when I asked, why are you apologizing?

And I said, no, I wasn't questioning your intentions. I was just simply asking, why do you feel the need to apologize? Because I don't feel like there's a need to apologize. But like, every little thing that I said was like, I'm going to flip it. I'm going to flip it. I'm going to flip it. And that's weird to me. That's strange.

And I don't know what you're doing because you're supposed to be wanting a rose from me, I guess. but, like, you're not acting like it. It was so weird. It was so strange. Yeah. There's a deep lack of compatibility between the two of you as friends or romantic partners. No, totally. Absolutely.

And I'm fine with, like, you know, I'm fine with, like, letting it go and letting that, like, be in the past. And, like, I wish you all the best. God bless. But don't try to make me feel like a charity case. Don't put that on me. That's weird. That's not fair. we see this week you self-eliminate

um congrats way to go do you do you regret it at do you regret it at all like what was going through your head or are you just fed up of just my person is definitely not here yeah i know one thing about me i'm not going to overstay my welcome like i'm going to go i had the writing was on the wall and like i knew when it's my time to go when I lose my sparkle because I am not an insecure person outside of this environment. I'm not going to seek validation from men who see me only as a friend when I know

I deserve more. I know that my guy's not coming. Alex Borty's at home in Detroit, you know, you know, Brian Whitsman or whatever his last name is is in Chicago. He's not in Costa Rica. That message is being relayed right now. So thank you. Thank you, Joseph. But like, you know, so I, I just knew that my time was up because everyone was just like I'm like why are you guys acting weird towards me like there were times which is really sad there were times when I saw all the couples together and I was like supposed to meet a couple with Sean and I felt so weird and I didn't want to interrupt theirs that I would literally go to the bathroom or like go to my room and sit in my room like that sucks and I'm not that way in real life I'm not like I mean I could catch a guy

any day the week if I really wanted is it going to be quality probably not but like I'm not that person outside of this. And so I'm not going to stay somewhere where I know that the reason why I came here wasn't to like, hey, be on TV, play Survivor. You know, like I, I'm just going to go. Why am I here? It is like, I am still, I guess, just shocked by the fact that it's so coupley, so early. Like, was it like that in your season? I don't know why you keep saying that. Because I just feel like, and I mean, I only have our experience to go off of. And look, we obviously coupled up early so it sounds like ironic for me to say this but we were all still hanging out very like cohesively as a group or in little groups it wasn't like two two two two everyone

was coupled up all over the beach the only the only strong couple on this beach right now currently is spencer and jess spencer and jess there's barely and jeremy bailey and jeremy but i would say i guess it's not the it's not how many strong couples there it's how isolated the hangouts for the couples are maybe that's the new like location and it just makes it easier to do that well i don't know like everyone would be around the bar like with their person and so like i was you know hanging out the goldens and i was like third wheeling cat and dale like nobody's business and like but again i just don't want to like insert myself when like you're trying to connect and i know my person's not going to be here i say you know i know i'm an acquired taste like acquire some taste people like i know

i'm an acquired taste and that's like beautiful that i love that about myself and i'm not going to change but like I can know we know the people in bachelor nation who the fuck is coming down no one and so I'm just not going to and especially when like alicia came in I'm like oh my god she's gorgeous I'm I'm toast you know like there's no reason for me to be here did you care though did you care that Sean was going to potentially go talk to Alicia did that bother you at all no okay no what bothered me was that April was stealing all of my men like what bothered me was like you know everyone's doing their cute little thing with their person for the birds of paradise and Sean chose April.

Yeah, that was tough. I was like, what? I mean, entertaining, but tough. Entertaining. No, that was like the nail in the coffin for me. Like, the coffin could not float even if you tried. But there, like, there were many nails in the coffin. But that was like, okay, there's someone here for him.

He's in a good spot. I'm going to go. Yeah. You know, I guess, I mean, I don't want to blame it like you said, kind of like on the setting because I just feel like that it's, it just seems maybe it's just the people, but I will say, like, it's just me. Well, no, because even on our season of Paradise, there was more just like group hangouts. Yeah, like girls were hanging, boys were hanging, combos, you know.

Yeah, it was, it really was, it very seldomly was just like couple paired off in this couple paired off in that corner. Like that really wasn't a thing to like the end. Yeah. Yeah. But that makes it. A, it's already hard. I feel like to be in your situation where You're like, I'm single down here and everyone's coupled up. And then B, to feel like you're probably just kind of feeling awkward on a low level at all times in terms of how you're moving around the space. Yeah. And it's like also like no offense. Like all of those guys are great, but they're not my guy.

Like I'm not like, maybe I can make something work with Brian. I'm not doing that. Maybe I can make something work with Dale. I'm not doing that. Like I, there was truly no one that I could see anything with. And I was wasting my time and I was wasting. their time and I was like from trying to get their validation which is so ew why am I doing that like I was feeling worse yeah yeah I think that I think they

just need they just need more more contestants down there I think it gets to a point where because you're not the only one you know there's there's been a few this season that's just like well fuck there's nobody I there's no one I like you know slim pickens yeah there was slim pickings because because and I understand that they had to make room for the golden's right and so because normally there's like 12 guys but this time there were six and so I was like ooh bloodbath every week four people are going home yikes and also like I had 24 hours to make a connection and that's not a lie that is exactly how much time I had so coming down like normally like the old guard you would have three or four days to make something happen no no I had 24 hours so

that really sucked yeah you really need to get like there really needs to be a lot of luck involved And the way the show is kind of set now. Like making a connection down there is like catching lightning in a bottle. Like and especially for someone like me who's not like a like heavy hit or like whoa like Susie. You know, it's like Susie and then Jill like I hope you're hungry for nothing. Like that's what I felt like when I walked in. I was like, oh my God. Sorry guys.

Like it was strange. It was weird. Yeah. How did you feel after you left finding out that the format was going to do a bit of a pivot and half a million. dollars was involved because we see that at the teaser for the rest of the season at the end of the episode after you've sent yourself home yeah no i don't care like i'm the least competitive person ever i'm like do i want half a million dollars yeah but do i do i want to go through the means to get that and like make a fake couple with whoever who was i even going to couple up with like

if there was someone there that i could genuinely see something with yeah sure darn that sucks but like there was no way to get to the half a million dollars there was no path to get there so i didn't really care. Right. That makes sense. Like if I'm Susie, I might be like, maybe I should answer Jeremy's call a little differently. But like in your situation, you're like, I would have literally been stuck with coupled up with someone that I had genuinely no romantic interest in. Yeah, why am I going to do that? Yeah, that would be hell on earth for me. Yeah. Yeah. That's really fair. Joe, that's it. We're running out of time. Thank you so much for coming on. Always,

always a pleasure talking to you. I don't think you'll go back on this show. I don't think I will either but anybody else hit me up you know yeah um jill thank you so much for taking the time we really appreciate it love you guys thank you hey Joe follow up on that for me

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is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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I just normally do straight stand-up But this is a bit different What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club Answer A new podcast called Wisecrack Where a comedian finds himself At the center of a chilling true crime story

Does anyone know what show they've come to see It's a story It's about the scariest night of my life This is Wisecrack, available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Jamel Hill, hosted the Sports and Politics Podcasts Politics. On this week's episode, I'm joined by all-time great Hooper and basketball analyst Candice Parker, who gives insight into her candid new book, including why she waited two years into marriage to come out.

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