Bachelor Happy Hour - Joan Vassos on Her & Chock, Relationship Advice, and More | Golden Hour

Episode Date: April 29, 2026

Today on “Golden Hour,” Kathy is joined by a guest host, former Golden Bachelorette Joan Vassos! We’re diving right back in for part two of your questions, and Joan and Kathy are dishing out their best advice for relationship turbulence. We also get Joan’s updates on her and Chock, their travel plans, and more. Tune in now and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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To hear this and more, listen to Reality with the King on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome back to Golden Hour, everyone. are back for part two. I'm so excited. Let's get right into it. Every week, Joan, and by the way, thank you for, if I haven't said that yet, thank you for coming in and helping me do this while Susan is unavailable. Yeah. I'm so much fun. I appreciate you guys ask me. Yeah. I love being here. Okay, so usually, you know, every week we answer some questions from listeners and we give them our

expert golden advice and you are golden right along with me. So start us off with the first one of you. And by the way, I listen to these every week that you do them. So I feel like maybe I might be good at this. I don't know, but let's give me a try. All right. Okay. The first one is Kelsey from Kansas City. And she says, I've been dating this guy for about three months now.

And I really like him. But he has never planned a proper date. Every time we hang out, it's like, come over and watch something or a last minute drink. I've hinted that I like when someone takes initiative to, but nothing has changed. Do I say something directly? Or is this just who he is? Oh, what do you think? I think, okay, this is the advice that I give everyone that people don't know unless you tell them.

And I think you have tried to be really nice and hint at it and you need to say it right out. He's not going to read your mind. He's not getting the hints. And if you say it right out and he still doesn't do it, I'd say maybe move on. I can't disagree with you. I love your advice. Boy, Susan, I always argue. You're much easier.

You and I agree. I'm afraid that we might on most of these. Yeah, but I will say, every time we hang out, it's like come over and watch something or a last minute drink. That doesn't even sound like a date to me. I totally agree.

So, Kelsey, I think Jones, right, have a conversation with him, but you've only been dating three months. This is like the honeymoon of the dating experience. And if he is not overloading you with text, phone calls, dates, flowers making you feel like the special woman I'm sure you are. He may not be your guy. Or as the movie it says, he may not just, he may not be that into you. So I think you're so right.

This is the honeymoon stage and that a proper date is the starting point. And watching TV or having a last minute drink should happen way farther into the relationship. And those are great. and that implies a comfort level that he should not be at yet. He should not be comfortable with you like that. Like just come over and have watch TV. I'm going to argue. You know, welcome back, Susan. I'm going to take issue with that.

I think if it ever gets that commonplace unless you've been married like you and I were forever, I don't, that should be the exception, not the rule, is what I would say. I want, it's not that the guy has to run a jet and fly me to Paris for dinner. dinner. But, you know, if there's not a little bit of forethought, it's, you know, when we had Hakeem and is now fiancé, Monica, we say, you said that. And I agreed with you, you know, have date nights. Like, those things never go out of style. So, Kelsey, I would, I think Jones right. I would reevaluate where you are and see if he really is your man or if you spent three months and maybe it's time to move on and go after the man that really is for you.

And cherishes you and knows how important you are. Yep. Let us know. We want to hear from you, Kelsey. Let us know. Okay. The next one is from Luna, from Syracuse, New York, which is, in case people don't know, it's very cold there most of the year.

It sure is. Okay. I just got out of a situation ship that lasted almost a year. And when I look back, he was emotionally. unavailable the whole time. The problem is this keeps happening to me with different guys. How do I stop being attracted to the same type over and over again? Or am I the problem? Well, I mean, my initial thought on that is why did you stick around for a year for a guy that you always knew was emotionally unavailable? So my gut tells me,

You're not a problem. First of all, Luna, you're never a problem. The way you look at yourself and situations may need some work, but you're not a problem. So I would encourage you, maybe, again, we're not therapists here, but maybe get some counseling on why you attract this kind of guy. What vibe is, are you putting out? And then why do you stick around so long when you see? Yeah, why are you accepting it? Why are you accepting this from anybody? you deserve better. An emotionally unavailable person,

I think that's all they're capable of. So it's like a, if you get that vibe early on, I'd say Ron, I think that's the type of person they are. I am concerned that you are only attracted to this type. Do you feel like you don't deserve the emotions from somebody? Which is why I suggested therapy. Yeah, which you're not worthy. I don't think you're a problem.

I think that you don't realize how valuable you are and how that you deserve. I always say, you know, you kind of get what you put out there. If you act like you don't deserve. Don't say that, John. Wait a minute. I'm getting nothing. Are you telling me I'm not putting it? You're kidding.

It's going to come to you, Kathy. Just wait. It doesn't come right when you ask for it, but it's going to come. But I feel like if you are accepting, you know, somebody who's emotionally available, that's all they're going to give you. If you're not accepting that, you know, maybe you'll get better. So maybe next time put that out there that this is not what you're going for. and hopefully the man will respond better.

And if he doesn't, I don't think you're the problem. I think the men are the problem. I think it could be a combination. I mostly agree with you. I'll tell you, I'm reading a book right now about attachment styles, which I know is the hottest discussion in the psychobabal world. But I am learning about different kinds of attachments. And I think if you learn what kind of guy you're going after,

you might realize it has something to do with your upbringing. You know, this whole thing of childhood trauma, we all bring it with us. That's what I'm learning. And so maybe that has something to do with the kind of guy she goes after. It's where she feels safe and secure, even though it's not a good thing for her. I agree with you. It's where she feels safe and secure. But it's also not going to get you a long-term relationship.

It's just going to, you're going to, yeah, and you're not going to be happy. So I think like what you said, she needs to kind of look inward and know her value and make sure the guy knows her value. Yeah. And like I said, we're not therapists, but I think some good counseling never heard anybody. Yeah, I've never done it. But I go on, you know, Golden Hour and I get my counseling from you guys. Oh, thank you. Thank you, Joe.

I do. I listen to you guys. Okay. Let us know, Luno. Let us know, though. And, okay, go with the next one, John. Yeah, I'd love to know if you have a great relationship and something comes out of this. This next one is from Lauren in Santa Barbara.

She said, I made the mistake of going through the guy I'm dating's Instagram following late one night. And now I can't unsee it. It's like 90% influencers and bikini models. In person, he treats me great. But now I feel weird about it. Do I bring it up or just keep this to myself? You should never stalk people's Instagrams, huh? I mean, let's start at the beginning here.

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tells me you don't trust him, which is a whole other, you know, Pandora's box. You're going through his Instagram because you don't trust him. And then what did you find? Pictures of bikini models. And yeah, that's not a good look for him. but instead of going through his Instagram, why don't you, why didn't you, talk to him about your relationship?

But no, you went behind his back and went through his Instagram. You suspected something, your inner voice told you something was going on, your intuition, instead of talking to your guy that you're dating, whatever, let's call him Joe, instead of saying, hey, Joe, I'm feeling this way, you know, the eye statements,

you went and so now he's never going to trust you he's you know so that's why you know you need to you need to tackle the issue not a symptom yeah i feel like like i look at instagram as like this just other kind of part of my life and it's like just for fun it's not anything i take seriously i don't take people's comments when they're mean to me seriously i don't take their compliments like they are they don't make you know they i appreciate them but they're not not how I find my value. Oh my God, Joan,

seriously, everything everyone says about me, I take it right to heart. I, with those mean comments, I look at myself and say, thank you for saying that comment. How can I change myself?

I know. Well, so I feel like Instagram, if he is being entertained by it, so maybe influence, like he likes watching, like what influencers are doing. He likes to watch,

like, what the, you know, what alcohol they're drinking, where they're vacationing, what they're wearing, what they're eating. What brand of bikinis,

they're, wearing. Yeah, well, okay, so there's some McKinney models on there. You know, I feel that a guy shouldn't be ostracized for looking occasionally. I'm sorry, 90% of his Instagram is influencers

and bikini models. Yeah, so I'm guessing those influencers are women because if they were men doing body lifting or men shirts, I don't think she'd care. I think it's women. I'll bet your money. I don't think we know what the 90% is, but I don't

hate that he follows influencers because they kind of are maybe giving him a clue about what like the cool thing to do is or like what to wear or maybe it's just like his source of entertainment. I think if it's like if she said it's all bikini models, I'd say you got a problem. Like that's the only thing he's interested in. He really just is obsessed with the way women look. But the fact that it's influencers, I feel like some of this is just entertainment for him. But I do feel like if it bothers her, she should say something. It's public knowledge.

You can look at see who people are following and who, you know, what's on their Instagram. So it's out there. I don't think that it's weird that she looked at it. And I think that if it bothers her, she should bring it up. And like, you know. But see, I don't, I hear you.

I don't disagree with you. I'm saying I don't think it's about, I think it's a deeper issue. I don't think she trusts him. I don't think she gives a flip that it's influencers, the bikini models. You know, people choose their words carefully. And she didn't say,

she said bikini models. So I think it's about trust. And, you know, I'm sorry, Lauren. I wish that, yes, his Instagram is probably public, but the fact that you felt compelled to, you know, take a deep dive into his Instagram instead of get your beauty sleep or read a good book, tells me there are trust issues there. And I hope you decide to talk to him about what's really eating at you.

Yeah. And she says in person who treats me great. So I think that we should start with that. And then she should just, you know, say it weirded her out a little bit. And, like, just see what he has to say about it. I mean, I'd like to have a guy to go through his Instagram. Let's be clear. Most of the guys I know can't spell Instagram.

They don't have Instagram. They don't have Instagram? They're like, Facebook? Literally, I'm not joking. Before we move on, I swear, Joan, I had a guy, a friend of mine say to me, he was somewhere. And I said, oh, send me a selfie. He goes, how do you take a selfie? I thought, oh, my God. Oh, no, goodness gracious.

Yeah. So, you know, it's hell getting old, it's hell and it's hell. You'll know. I know. And what you're so, like, and both of us really are so technologically, like, leaps and bounds above most people are aged. Oh, I know. We got to be tolerant of them, but not knowing how to take a selfie is pretty ridiculous. All it is, like, flip the camera around on the little button, so it's so easy. That's a little scary. You know what? It takes more than one, one, it's not one-stop shopping there. You know, it's turning the cameras, turn in the arrow, focus. you know, whatever. But good luck, Lauren. Let us know. Okay, if you love the answers to these questions, you should send us some more.

All you got to do is submit to us at bachelornation.com slash golden hour. Submit your questions, your comments, your thoughts, what you think about Instagram and prying into people's Instagram. We are very interested in your opinions about the questions that we put out there and the answers we give. So please come back every week and see if we answer yours or your comment about somebody else's question. And we'd love to hear about if we answered your question, if you took the advice and how it went. So we all never get those answers. And I really, as a listener to this program, I'm just subbing in today for Susan. I want to hear like how it turned out for you.

So please, let us know how it turns out. But now we're going to get into another really interesting segment. And they're playing, they're making fun of our age. But I'm going to go ahead with it. Kathy and I are back with Grandma Googles it where we break down slang words that people are using in dating culture. Wait, can I just say, Joan? Yeah. I'm so excited.

I'm so glad. Okay, go ahead. Go with it. See if everybody else does. Okay. Bread crumbing. I know what this is. It's when you just, it's when you give, well, it's giving just enough attention to keep someone interested but like never committing.

and I've had a couple of guys who breadcrumb. And, of course, you know what I do? I take the loaf of bread and throw it to the ducks outside. That's right. What is your thought on it? I hate breadcrumming. What do you think? I think breadcrumbing is really a part of dating.

So I think a lot of times you don't know exactly where you are in a relationship and you string it along maybe a little longer than you should have while you're trying to figure it out or you're trying to find somebody to take the place. So you don't want to be without somebody. Are you saying breadcrumbing is okay? I'm not. I just think it's very common. I think everybody's done it and has had it done to them.

Yeah. That's my opinion. Yeah. I think I've done it. I think I've done it not on purpose. I think I've done it in just, you know, still evaluating, trying to decide. Not sure that this is a person I want to be with, but I'm not ready to give them up because. and then I think I've had it done to me.

I think that I've been strung long before and then find out very soon afterwards that he has another girlfriend. And I think that he was kind of just stringing me along until he kind of solidified that relationship. Okay, so that's interesting. I think at our age, I think younger, I think Bachelor, that's very common,

breadcrumming with, you know, on the beach, breadcrumming, on the bachelor, the younger shows. I think that's very common. I think that's what they do. They're testing it out to see, you know, can I have this guy, can have that guy. Stringing it along everywhere. String it along. I think that is, I think. Dating show etiquette.

It's okay. Yeah, I think that's where is all about breadcrumming. I do. Younger. But for Golden, and this is not going to be popular either, a couple of guys that I've dated or had dates with, they're not breadcrumming. They just don't

either have the time or inclination or I'm not it, whatever it is, to commit. They want the attention. They want to go to dinner or they want to go to bed or whatever they want. But at our age, they don't really want to commit. I don't think that's breadcrumbing in the same way that it is with the young crowd. Do you agree with that? I agree. I think that they just have different interests.

Like they may have been married. They've had relationships. They are just not interested in something like really solid. they have other things in their lives. I don't think that's breadcrumbing. I think breadcrumbing is like more of a long-term, and they know what they're doing. Like they know that they're stringing someone along.

They know they're not really interested, but they're not letting them go. They're giving them just enough. You know, not texting daily, texting every other daily or whatever or not. But see, I don't think at our age, that's, I agree with you. But I think at our age,

the same guy who can't take a selfie doesn't know how to breadcrumb. you know what I mean he's just he's just doing his best to get by he's like you know I forgot to text I couldn't find my phone I turned my phone off yeah truly I just but I do think breadcrumbing is a thing with the young ins as I call them I don't like it so I think the reason like like we're saying like what makes people do this like I think the younger generation they're doing it because they're still you know they're not ready to give it up it feels good somebody's into them you know it's flattering they haven't found somebody else maybe in our generation they're not doing it because they just can't find their phone.

Yeah, exactly. That's what they mean to breadcrumb. They're just like, oh. Oh, you texted me two days ago? I, you know, I left my phone in the bottom of my golf bag. Oh, I thought I texted you back when I forgot hit send. Oh, I get that too. You know what?

I have to admit maybe it's just, again, they're just not that into me. And then there's that, but that can't be. Nah, nah. All right, let's go with that. All right, what's the next one, John? So this is a podcast about video games. Kind of. It's also about friendship.

Definitely. And chaos. Unavoidably. Welcome to It's Dangerous to Go Alone. A podcast where we talk games, culture, nostalgia, and immediately go off topic. There is no gatekeeping. There is no skill check. If you win a game on Easy Mode, we support you.

If you've never touched a controller, honestly, same energy for some of us. It's fun, it's chaotic, it's friendship with a loose gaming theme. And somehow we keep getting away with it. You should listen. Stream it's Dangerous to Go Alone on the free IHeartRadio app. Or wherever you get your podcasts. 2%. That is the number of people who take the stairs when there is also an escalator available.

I'm Michael Easter, and on my podcast, 2%, I break down the science of mental toughness, fitness, and building resilience in our strange modern world. I'll be speaking with writers, researchers, and other health and fitness experts, and more, to look past the impractical and way too complex pseudoscience that dominates the wellness industry. We really believe that seed oils were inherently inflammatory. We got it wrong. Many of the problems that we are freaked out about in the world are the result of stress. Put yourself through some hardships, and you will come out on the other side a happier, more fulfilled, healthier person.

Listen to 2%. That's T-W-O-Persent on the I-Hart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I went and sat on the little ottoman in front of him. I said, hi, dad. And just when I said that, my mom comes out of the kitchen. She says, I have some cookies and milk. This is a badass convict. Right. Just finished five years.

I'm going to have cookies and milk at my mom. Yeah. On the senior show podcast, each episode invites you into a raw, unfiltered conversations about recovery, resilience and redemption. On a recent episode, I sit down with actor, cultural icon Danny Trail, talk about addiction, transformation, and the power of second chances. The entire season two is now available to binge, featuring powerful conversations with the guests like Tiffany Addish,

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Beech flag, okay, so now it's not a red flag, it's not a green flag. It's just, mildly odd behavior. Okay. Now, I'm going to give you one, an example of one, and you can chime in because I have others. Okay. Claps when the plane lands. I would die if the person next to me. Oh, I have clapped.

I have clapped when the plane was tossing, turning. I thought I was dying. If I didn't die in the hospital last week, I thought I was dying on this airplane. Like I have, but the whole airplane's clapping. Yeah, I've experienced that before, too. the whole airplane claps. But yeah. This is just the guy on a normal day claps when it lands. I don't know. I think so I've got my I've got some I had a few you know this I recently had a few dates with this guy and

I've got a new term I want can we coin it today I wouldn't call them beige flags I'm going to describe the behavior and then you tell me because I think you're right beige flags pretty much are things that you know it's a little irritating it's a little odd I have one that said I only eat white food, like pasta, bread. I'm like, that's a beige flag. No, that's a red flag for me. That's a red flag. Okay. I'm going to stuff.

He was really good looking, so I'm giving him the benefit of the dad. I'm stuffing spaghetti bolognese down that guy. No, I'm not playing that game. But let me ask you what you think. A guy, a guy, so my daughter, I told you this whole story. My daughter conned me, there might have been some alcohol involved, again, pre-hop. hospital. And she got me to go on this dating site and this guy reached out to me. And I'm telling you, Joan, well, you know, because we've talked about it. He was ideal. His profile, it was like God

had sent me this man. What do you, I want you to come up with a term for this because we're going to coin it. We're going to be famous. And we're going to be at Vanderpump Villa explaining this to everyone. I love this. Okay. All right. Go ahead. You're dating a guy. You see his profile. Everything is green flags. Like everything he wants. Everything. It's, You go out to dinner with him. It's amazing conversation. And then you start realizing that who he says he is is who he wants to be, not who he is. Impostering.

No. Is that an imposter syndrome? Well, kind of. He's pretending he's somebody he's not. No, no, no, no, no, no. He's not pretending. He thinks he is. He thinks he is.

He thinks he's all of those things. and I'm listening to it going, really? Because is this? Give me an example of like one of the things that he acted like he was and you're like you're really not. Let's see. He would call me and say, you know, I want to take dance lessons. I want to travel with you. Oh, here's the best one.

I haven't retired yet because I haven't found the woman yet that I want to, that is worth me giving up my job for. Because he's plenty of money, right? This particular guy doesn't need money. But I haven't found the woman yet. And then says, but you know, I think you could be the woman. At which point I say, you don't know me well enough. I mean, that is a red flag when someone says that. But then he's, but then all he does is work.

So, and it's like you say you want those things. You want to travel. You said, I would love to travel. You're so much fun. He said that to me. I would love to travel with you. And yet when I said, oh, okay, well, maybe we could plan a weekend trip. Well, you know, I work.

He works like eight, ten hours a day. So he thinks he's that guy, but in reality he isn't. Let's call it, I don't know, can you come up with a good word? Yeah. he wants it i mean he's trying to be it he's trying to be it he just can't follow through with it um wait a minute he's not a used to guy he's a oh you love the used to guys i know wait he's not a use to guys he's not like this is a wanna guy he's a wanna guy he's a wanna guy he's a wannabe he's a wannabe a wannabe You want to be a syndrome.

I don't know, but I wonder. I think we can call it a syndrome. I think he needs an antibiotic. I'm into antibiotics these days. I don't know. I wonder, I would like people to reach out and if that's happened to them because this guy, I'm telling you, on the surface and the first few dates, such an amazing man. But in reality, can't break free from work, can't take a vacation.

He needs a security blanket syndrome. safety syndrome? I don't know. Can't change, doesn't want to change. Like he can't take it to the finish line. He can just talk about it. He wants it. He just can't get it to the finish line. A non-finisher. Yeah. A non-finisher. That sounds a little sexual. I'm just saying. I wouldn't know. For someone his age. I mean, you know, well, I mean, that's a whole other thing. Or, I mean, here's another one. All these men that say they don't need the little blue pill. You got to get, we got to end this podcast. because I'm going to start going off here. Can you go on the blue pill?

Yes, you do. You just don't know you do. I think that I would love it if people wrote in and say, give us a good name for that because I think it's a real thing. I don't think you're the only one experiencing that. I've certainly have gotten that feeling like you think it's a perfect guy, and then the more you date them, the less likely they are to do any of the things that they said they're going to do.

I totally totally see that. Joan, I want to take his profile because I printed it out. And I want to go, no, no, one time, half credit, absolutely not. Like just annotate, I want to annotate his profile and say, you know, buyer beware. Oh, God, anyway, I don't know. Do we have fun? Again, John, I have to say, I've loved having you. I'm sorry I missed last week with you, but I know you and Jonathan had fun doing it.

No, I missed you, but we had a great time. And I appreciate your interest and care about my health. You have been a great co-host. I hope you'll come back and do it again. I would love it. You know I would. I'd come back in a second. I love being with you.

I love our conversations off-camera, which we have all the time. But these are great questions, and it's fun to talk to discuss this stuff with you. I know you plan to be here for a couple more episodes, but it looks like Susan is going to be coming back. And this may be your last episode, at least for now. So give everyone in Batswear Nation a little catch up what he up to, what's in your future. Give us the scoop. So this next, with the rest of this week, I am going to be in New York City doing press for pancreatic cancer action network. My husband passed away from pancreatic cancer. And so I do their press in New York leading up to the big fundraiser. It's a walk that's held

in about 50 communities around the United States to raise awareness and funds for pancreatic cancer. So I'm doing that this week. I'm actually going to be on Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen. I'm the bartender again this year. I did it last year. And this year I'm doing it with Bailey, Bachelor Nation Bailey is going to be on it with me. Her father passed away from pancreatic cancer also, and she's also part of Pankan. So we're doing that together. So that's this week. I have a great summer plan ahead, and that means I have absolutely no plans because I have

two granddaughters being born, both in June, and then I have a son getting married. So those are like kind of my long-term things, and there'll be things sprinkled in there, here and there, Bachelor Nation stuff, and a lot of fun things. But I have to ask for Bachelor Nation. What about Chalk? You got any plans to get together with him? We have no like set vacations or anything. He knows I am on baby duty.

And so we will be visiting each other probably in Kansas and Maryland for a little while until like the family stuff is done. But then we are going to be on Bachelor Nation at sea that both of us will be there. So I think that's our next actual vacation plan. Is Chalk ready? Is Chalk ready? You, me, Susan and Joan. I don't know who else of the Golden Star. is going, but Sandra's going to be there.

We are going to take, the Goldens are going to rule on that cruise. I can't wait for that happening. It's going to be so much fun. I can, I'm having a hard time actually picturing all these bachelor nation people in one place. I think it's going to be, I mean, you see us together. And we, you know, we're in groups of five and six and ten people sometimes. This is like a half a ship, like there's 50 of us going. This is going to be so fun.

So I'm thrilled. That's my big kind of vacation like plan on the books right now. I'll probably, you know, have some beach. days here and there, but that's like my big vacation plan. I can't wait. Well, you know I'm coming to see you because I am actually judging the Miss New Jersey pageant for Miss America in a couple of months. So I'm going to come see you and Susan Nancy. We're all going to hang out this summer and go golfing or whatever. So, you know, we're going to the beach. Sit on a beach with the with the, drink is what I'm going to be doing. I'm not golfing. Hopefully I'm drinking by then. Yeah. Yeah,

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