Bachelor Happy Hour - Joe & Serena on Clout Chasers and Wrong Reasons

Episode Date: December 4, 2025

Joe and Serena have seen it all in Bachelor Nation, and today, they’re not holding back! Was Barb Weber right about Madison all along? Should Rachel Recchia have been a solo Bachelorette? They’re also naming names! Who is the best Bachelor of all time? Who could’ve been the greatest Bachelorette if she had gotten the chance? Tune in now for all the tea and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Joe. And I'm Serena. And we are here today with another episode of Bachelor Happy Hour. This is a special episode. We have three segments. We are going to be doing segment one, Hot Takes.

We're going to read out all the Bachelor Hot Takes. takes segment two who's who segment three spicy questions neither serena and i have gone through any of these so it's going to be brand new to us too that's the way we like do things keep a fun keep it fresh keep it alive i love that yes great great start great energy show thank you thank you anything you want to get off your chest before we get started no i'm ready let's dive into it okay all right i have to get a haircut today i know it's still on top of my mind i know um i never get a haircut you ask me what I have coming up so that you can talk about your haircut. Yeah, you know what?

It's a 4.30 p.m. haircut, and usually I get my haircuts at 9 or 10 a.m. So it's throwing me way off and the anxiety is really ramped up now. So, guys, if you're wondering what Joe's thinking about this whole podcast is just his upcoming haircut. Segment 1. Hot Takes. The best bachelor season to date is Juan Pablo's. Are we saying if we agree or disagree? I mean, yeah, do we agree or disagree? I disagree.

I've never watched Juan Pablo's season, so I disagree too. I did watch Juan Pablo's season. Now, it's been a few years since this season, so I wouldn't say my memory of it is fantastic. But I think what people love about Juan Pablo's season is it's one of the only, or not the only, but I would say it was the first bachelor season where they made the lead the villain. they said F this guy we don't like him and we're going to let everyone else hate him too

and that was like a fun twist for sure and there was a lot of like iconic moments and a lot of iconic people that came from that season but to me it doesn't stand out maybe that's just because it's been so long since I watched it but I don't think I would name it one of the best. What would be yours?

My best season? Yeah, quick. We got a lot of these. You know what? Like maybe this is a whole thing. hot take, but like Clayton season. Me too. Yeah. There's no there was no better bachelor than Clayton.

No, like there's so many new iconic moments came out of that season. So many unpredictable things. He made so many really controversial choices. I mean, Susie Gabby and Rachel, his top three were all incredible in their own right

and have like really amazing moments from that season. Here, bottom line is bottom line is you can say think what you want about Clayton. It was never boring. And that's, that's just so, that's really important. Okay. Barb was right all along about Peter and Madison. Well, I think that's not really a hot take because I think that's factual. Like, we have evidence to prove that that take is correct. It's not really an opinion. It's a fact. Yeah, I don't, I've met Madison Pruitt once. She was super sweet,

nice I'm friends with Pete so I don't know Madison enough to know if that would have ever made sense but knowing the content she puts out and yeah

actually I can't even believe you're debating this statement right now I guess I've never met Maddie Prue I have met Peter a bunch of times from what I know about Maddie and what I know about Peter those are two of the most

incompatible people I could think of in my entire life and maybe Barb's delivery of that information was very controversial and could have been done differently, sure. But if her statement being that like this is not going to work out and I don't even know why we're entertaining it is the statement we're debating. A hundred percent she was right. And I'm backing her on that. Yeah, but it's not a hot take. No, I don't know if I would consider that a hot take. Rachel Rechia should have had her own Bachelorette season. I don't know if I agree or disagree with that. I, I, I, I, I don't because I just feel like, like, I do, I think Rachel could have

100% had a season on her own. Yes. I agree she could have done it and would have been successful. She would have been a great lead on her own. She didn't need another person. But I think part of what makes Rachel and Gabby, so. interesting and exciting from a TV perspective is the fact that they were bachelets together and that was the first and only time they've ever did that. And I think that adds to the lure

and their story today. Yeah. And it was how they navigated it. Yeah, I agree. But do I think she like could have done her own season and still could do her own season and absolutely crush it? Yes, I do. I think if we look, I think if if if you're able to go back in time, if Rachel was able to go back in time and they gave her the option, do you want to do this again? Do you want to do this with Gabby or do you want to do it yourself? I would tell her probably to do it yourself.

Yeah, do it yourself. I think that coming off of Clayton season, she could have carried her own season, but I think that her and Gabby together was a really exciting package. Do you think today, after doing all of the seasons she's done, she could be a good lead still? I think if she couldn't, then there's something, then there's something wrong with her.

Well, yeah, I mean, she's already done it. So she couldn't do it again. Yeah. She's done it. She's done the show. She's done Bachelor. She's done a Netflix show. She's done a Netflix show. Yeah, too hot to handle.

Yeah, she could definitely do it. I mean, she's one of the more experienced reality television people in this franchise at this point. Oh, yeah. Nick Vial should have never been allowed to join Caitlin's season midway. No. I disagree with that. I think he should have because people still talk about that. Like within the Bachelor Nation verse, that's like people still talk about it.

So yeah. Yeah, do I think if we're going like by the book, should he have been allowed? Probably not. I mean, like he'd kind of been talking to her before and he jumped in midway. But I don't care. I'm okay that they did it. And I have no problem with it. And I would tell them to do it again if they had the chance.

The truth is when this. franchise goes by the Bachelor playbook of like how everything supposed to go in a perfect world and they do that like season after season that's when people usually fall off and it gets somewhat

boring. Yeah the show is fun and exciting when either production or the lead or a castmate is willing to bend the rules to shake things up and that doesn't always pay off in a big way but when it does, it really does. Yeah. Okay, group dates should be four to five people max.

I agree. You agree? Yeah. Really? Why? I don't like watching a lot of people on my TV. You've never been on a group date, though. I've never been on a group day.

That's true. But I'm just saying, like, sometimes it's just too many. It's like that show Squid Game and there's all those fucking... The Squid Game competition show? Yeah, I'm like, I can't watch. is there's 800 contestants. I get that. And especially in the beginning,

you're like, I don't even know who I should focus my attention on because there's 12 people on this date. But if you reduce it to four to five people, there's going to be a lot of people every week in the beginning that don't get dates because the lead's not going to have time to go on six different group dates. Well, yeah.

And there's a lot of people that are on group dates at the beginning that I'm like, this person's just a waste of time because the lead's not even into them. Yeah, yeah. Fantasy suites should happen way earlier so they can have, those off-camera conversations earlier on to see if they are a good match. Disagree.

Yeah. No way. No. Well, also, like, this is a TV show. Like, you don't get off-camera privileges until you've made it almost all the way to the end where it's like, all right, it's necessary for the potential success of a relationship and for these two people to be willing to get engaged. But we're not giving off-camera time until it's absolutely necessary. Tia Booth should have been. The Bachelorette.

Agree. Just as much as I should have been the bachelor. And we're from the same, me and Tia are from the same era. You are. So those are two massive miss opportunities by the freedom. Tia would have been a great Bachelorette. I actually, it's still very surprising to me that she never ended up being the bachelorette. Mel should have been replaced as the golden bachelor.

I disagree. I disagree too. A, it worked. He's in a successful, looks to be. a successful relationship, if anything, I think they should have been less safe with Mel because it just everything about Mel and the way he appeared seemed extremely safe after what he had said. And I think they should have been like, all right, let's go. I think so too. I think that he went on a podcast. He said something a little careless. There was huge controversy

around it, which I mean, it's kind of sometimes not the worst thing in the world. I mean, it gathered a lot of hype and attention surrounding the season. And then I feel like they pulled the reins on him so tight for the entire season. And it's like, let the man be free. You know, I think that people make mistakes, public figures make mistakes. People say stupid things every single day. I don't think we needed to like, I mean, look, like within reason, But this comment, I don't think we needed to, like, fire him over it. Yeah. And also, like, if you're looking for a perfect individual to look up to, you probably shouldn't look at people that are going on reality TV.

Well, you're not going to find a perfect person to look up to. People that are aiming to do that are going to fail every single time. He's also, he ended up happily committed to Pegg, who is not 40. So it all worked out. Hey, everyone. It's me, Katie Couric. Did you know that I recently joined Substack? It's where I'll be sharing my unfiltered conversations with the people everyone's talking about.

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Bachelor pad should replace Bachelor in Paradise. I'm going to say I disagree. A, it's where we're from. And B, I think BachelorPad worked when it worked, because there was like no holds bar. Like it was, you had people. what like people were no holds bar isn't that uh that's the same no holds bar yeah right isn't that a saying maybe i've never heard of it nothing's off nothing was off the table okay when bachelor pad was

being well there was no social media the biggest thing they had to deal with was like tabloids and it was just a very very different time in the world i don't think what was created on bachelor pad could ever be recreated now today um and i think that you know know, Bachelor in Paradise for us is very nostalgic. They were biased, but it would make me sad if they cut Bachelor in Paradise for a place with Bachelor Pad. And I also just don't know if it would. I think Badger Pad has a great concept.

And I think that they can definitely. Well, they already did. I mean, they pulled some for this season of Bachelor in Paradise. But I don't, I didn't, this season of Bachelor and Paradise should have been on a beach. Like, they're on a beach with they're off a beach. Like, put me back on a beach. Let the contestants live on a beach. going back to the hotel room no i don't want yeah but i didn't mind it because my favorite part of

paradise this season was all those in room conversations yeah but they could still have those in the tree houses they could they just never they chose never to do that that's true yeah um daisy should have let kelsey find out it was her instead of telling her um i don't really remember that situation i'm going to be quite honest So remember Daisy was like, I'm pretty sure it's not me, and she went and told Kelsey, like, I think it's you, it's not me. And then they rode in that van together. And then Daisy went out, broke up with Joey, left. And then Kelsey went out and they proposed. Yeah. Is that, that's what happened? Yeah. And look, do I agree with that statement? Yes, but I really like Daisy. So it's hard for me to disagree because I think she had nothing but the purest of intentions. Yeah. I think those situations, that's what makes the show interesting. is when people do something that they probably shouldn't have done. Yeah, like, probably wasn't something she needed to do,

but I think it's okay. The Bachelorette is more entertaining than The Bachelor. Disagree. Disagree. I just want to see a lot of girly pops. Yeah, like, because here's the truth, and you see this, you see this with Golden is where I think it gets highlighted more, But when a season's boring, the guys, when the guys are boring, they're boring TV.

When the women are boring TV, they're not as boring. And that's why I choose that. I agree. Right? Yep. If a contestant is an aspiring musician, it's immediate grounds for elimination. I just think it depends how the person's handling that. Yeah, I think it is hard because, I don't know, that's tough.

I think it depends on the person. I think you got to take that as a case-by-case situation. I mean, what if, like, I'm trying to be a violinist than the opera? Yeah, like, I think that's okay. Yeah. You know, but if you're trying to be like. A country singer. A country singer.

And if you've been trying to be a country singer for 20 years and you live in Nashville and like that is your job in a way, I think that's one thing. If it's like, I just quit my job in finance and I'm an aspiring country singer and now I'm on The Bachelor, I think that can be a little concerning for the potential longevity of the relationship post show. Unless you're really talented. You know what? If you go on this show, because there's a lot of fucking aspiring musicians that go on this

show and I'm just like you're fine you're fine you're you're better than I am you are better than most people at a karaoke bar you're probably average in a bar in Nashville and you're fine but you're not great yeah if you're fucking great if you're you know Mariah Carey if you're Mariah Carey and you go on the show and you're on a starry music then the Lee's going to be looking at them being like I'm hitching my wagon to that guy like we're going to be at the Grammys and two years. But if you're going to go on and you're an artist of any sorts on this show and you're just starting, you better be fucking amazing. Otherwise, yeah, you're probably going home. I feel like that's a hot take. It's fine if you're really talented. But if you're not,

it's not fine. Because if you're not, you're not going to make it. I mean, and then I'm going to me, like I'm a meal ticket. Like, what's going on here? But I will say, I think people can come on the show for incentive for their career and still fall in love genuinely. Yeah. Chris Bukowski is the all-time bachelor nation legend. I think yes, but I think it's hard. Like he would probably hit up a Mount Rushmore of non-leads. Do you know what I mean?

Like if we're putting together a Mount Rushmore of best contestants that were never leads, he would definitely be on it. but Chris has been off camera for like 10 years now you know what he means so there's a lot of people that have joined the viewership of this franchise that probably wouldn't know who he is he was part of a very like concentrated 10 year period in the franchise but iconic in his period for sure yeah I didn't watch when he came back on paradise for I think that's maybe the only season of his I did watch and I don't think he was very Chris Bukowski ask on that season in. No, I don't remember him being like the Chris we know and love. But he did get engaged and

that's very Chris Pukowski of him. Yeah. Segment two. Who's who? Okay. Don't even know what we're doing here. Whose relationship storyline do you think is the most like yours? Maybe Hannah and Dylan? No, not even close. I'm just trying to think of other Paradise couples that got engaged on the show um i would say the most like ours um i would say i'm going to go on paradise yeah um paradise couples the most like us the most like our story i guess um i don't know i think i think like i don't know i would go like maybe like maybe jade and tanner yeah but i don't even i didn't see their season so i'm just totally you didn't even see it okay maybe we don't have enough um knowledge off the top of our head to answer that question i think i mean i think

hannah and dylan but i mean i think that they fall into a category that we also fall into which is a pretty generic paradise love story of like a little, you know, someone goes on another date situation, comes back, we lock in. Yeah, but ours is different because we had a third party involved. Yeah. So unless someone had that, which I don't think anyone did. Yeah. All right.

No one's like us. That's right. Serena, that's what I was trying to get to. That was my point. Serena, out of all the bachelor's nation, out of all a bachelor's nation, who do you think is most like Joe? Oh, that's so hard. I really don't know. I don't know.

Who do you think is most like you? I mean, Nick comes to mind a little bit. I think you and Nick have some similarities. I mean, definitely. I mean, it's what you think. It's not what I think. Well, what do you think? I don't know.

This is a co-hosted podcast. It's phrased Serena out of all the best or nation. Who do you think Joe is most like? I know. That's a hard one. You and Natasha are both Aries. You're like the most different people, but you also are in like some ways are very similar.

Yeah, I don't know. That's a hard one. I mean, the same question is for me who I think you're most like. And I would have like, okay, do we want to do this off of people that we know? So like we're friends with Nick? Or do we want to do this? where like the past few seasons that we've watched who do you think came across the most like you or who are you most if you had to pick like somebody that when you watch them yeah it reminded you

of me those are just hard in different ways like and that's going to be a wrap for the podcast because Sarita's like I don't know. The comparison game is so hard. Like I don't know how people ever like sit around and compare themselves to others. Like everyone is so different from one another.

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Clayton Clayton was the best he was he just did things that not one other person would ever even consider doing and I appreciate that and I do feel bad for the women that were on his season because I think that they suffered in various ways but he just gave us so many

wild moment and it gave them the opportunity to give us so many wild moments I also enjoy talking to him when he comes on this when he comes on this podcast

I enjoy talking like he's got a lot to say he does have a lot to say I also Zach Shalcross I think it's a bad rep for being a boring bachelor but I like him too

I think him and Katie are great and he's like cool to hang out with I don't think Zach was boring I think people are boring that's how to take bitches who do you think could have made the greatest Bachelorette if she was given the role?

Victoria Fuller. I agree. Yeah. I do agree with that. For sure. And I think Bachelor myself. Stop buying for the role. Okay.

Who? I probably would have been the worst. You would have been good. You would have been very good. Who do you think is an overrated fan account? Fan favorite. Oh. Who do you think is an overrated fan favorite?

grocery store joe no you're not overrated um who do i think was an overrated fan favorite i mean that's hard because now we're going to go take a fan favorite and be like this person's actually not great no yeah we're not answering that i'm not going to be like hey this person that everyone thinks is great behind the scenes like they kind of suck yeah um who was a villain in your eyes that flew under the radar their season no i'm not answering that either uh uh uh uh yeah that's a tough one who do you think could have been a star on paradise this past season if they were cast you know who wasn't cast that i was surprised about and i know that she's a much more mellow

personality but i enjoy her um would be rachel nonce yeah i'm surprised she wasn't cast um her and her and her and lea are really good friends like it would have been fun to see their friendship especially because lea was kind of going through um her single girl journey on the show. Yeah. She was one of the ones that I remember being, like, I really surprised she's not down here. Yeah, I don't really know.

I think maybe that guy Brett that went home night one. I would have liked to see him. Yeah. Spicy questions. Segment three, our third and final segment of the episode. Okay. What's something Bachelor fans need to hear? Oh my gosh.

so much um it's just a shell just stop stop leaving hate comments guys like you're not going to you're not going to stop and that's you know you're prerogative to do so but like some of them you could text your mom some of them you could text your best friend and some of you should probably delete social media do you currently have beef with anyone in bachelor nation i don't think so not that i know of no what tea can you spill for from your respective seasons. I don't know. I don't know if I can share anything.

I don't, I'm trying to think, are, like, my first season, um, well, I mean, Clayton, or Colton was on my season of Bachelor in Paradise and he's gay. I don't think you're spilling anything there. He's married to a man. That's not, uh, that's not news anymore. um our season of paradise any i i thought our season of paradise was pretty great because i feel like everything was kind of out there you and i season or the one you run before me our season yeah i actually think a lot of the tea that typically would be kept behind the scenes made it

onto the beach our season of paradise yeah i don't know if there is much actually to spell from that what predictions do you have for taylor frankie paul's season well i i definitely predict that her i mean i watched season three of housewives and mormon wives and secret lives secret wives um great show so good it is it is so good glad i watched it and i my prediction is her guy on season three what's his name dakota Dakota definitely definitely tries to make a comeback here. You think? Yeah.

I don't know if he's definitely making an appearance. Do you think he's a night one limo entrance? I don't think he's a night one limo entrance. No. I can see them bringing him to like host a date with her. Like bringing him in as like a Taylor expert to like host one of the dates and then like having her and him have a little chat. I think he comes in and he's like, listen, why don't we try to make this work?

Maybe. I will accept any appearance from him on that show. I'm also curious to see like the women making appearances on the show. I haven't seen or heard anything about the potential of them going on it. And I feel like those girls are always on TikTok. Yeah, I would think they will. Yeah, I can't imagine they won't. I love that my worlds are colliding.

What's the best and worst thing about the rise of social media in terms of the franchise? example being able to see more of your faves but cloud chasers join the show i actually don't think cloud chasers joining the show is something that's tied to the rise of social media i think that it's always been there i think that it has just taken on a new shape with the rise of social media i think that the biggest downfall is people's fear as a contestant when they do something that is deemed wrong and again like sometimes it is wrong but there's times where I kind of want to see someone like double down a little bit and be like hey like this is why I made this choice or this is why I said this thing and people sometimes succumb to

apology so much easier and faster than as a viewer I want them to like sometimes yes you need to like not double down you need to take your own ability to apologize but sometimes you want to see someone like be like this is who I am and like defend their choice a little bit and I think we don't see that as much because people are so scared of being eaten apart on the internet yeah I think that's that that would be I agree with you that would be my thing too I think people are because of social media and because they care about how they come across on social media they approach the show from a more hesitant yeah like I'm not as willing to like do this or put myself out there as much because of how I don't want any backlash on social

media. And I think being the quote unquote villain before social media had like benefits and perks to it that people were almost like willing to do it. Whereas now I feel like the monetization of social media has played such a role that you want to be liked more so than just like your own ego wanting to be liked but also for the financial opportunity that can come with being a fan favorite whereas the villains don't always see that same return well i would say like so i would say like early to you know mid late 2000s like early like 2012 13 like the villain you know you took you took like a good looking guy who was the villain and he went to like the bar and he's crushing it yeah you know like it's definitely changed

I think. Like he is getting attention. I think I think people used to love the villains where now it's like if you're a villain, you're, we fucking hate you and we're going to send you. People like love to hate the villains. It was fun. It's not as fun anymore. Okay.

And then last but not least, last question that we're wrapping it. What percentage of people do you think are coming on the show just for clout? I think it's less than what people think. I would say Well, I think Just for clout Meaning like You're not interested in a relationship

You're not interested in the experience You're not interested in making friends You're literally just there Because you want Attention Social media out Well okay but I want to throw this in there Is

Is clout Also like Oh this will give me a good chance To date after the show Like it'll be easier No I don't think that's clout I do Really

That's like the definition are yeah no i guess you're right and i think in that i think in that sense i think i would say 90% whoa you think 90% of people yeah because i just think realistically if you get cast i was gonna say like 15 to 20 max i think there's only a select few every season that are going on this show the lead. Okay, but what about the alternative of like if I end up with them great but like this is just a really cool experience.

That's cloud. And like a once in a lifetime experience. I put that in the... I don't know if that would fall in the... The right reasons of this show or supposedly the right reasons. So anything else is clout in my opinion but the right reason is to go on the show

because you want to be engaged and get married. And I think 90% of the people that come on agree before they even know who the fucking lead is so like you have to be there there's yeah i think 90% of them are like okay i'm either i'm coming on for the experience i'm coming on because what could happen after i'm coming on because yeah like i'm sick of being single and i think after the show like i have a way better chance of dating someone that i and i have more options now yeah um i think

like the percentage of people that go on the show to make a career out of social media podcasting influencing whatever i'd say that's a lot lower yeah i would think that's probably like i would say that's probably like 10% no no we are in 10 i would say that's like around like the like 40% yeah yeah whoa think about it realistically how many people can go can't commit to leaving their career. Yeah. Because we're now in our mid-20s, late, mid-20s, early 30s,

mid-30s can leave their career for, they have to be able to leave for two and a half months. How many people could, with, can do that. Either you have to have a very flexible schedule. Yeah. Or you have to already have had some money, but it's hard.

Most people have to, most people have to like either quit their job or be willing to get fired no yeah that's a good point i know yeah a lot of them um okay that is that's an episode thank you guys so much for tuning in the bachelor happy hour make sure you don't want to subscribe to the podcast we'll have new and exclusive interviews and you every single week thanks for listening bye i know he has a reputation match up to him. Gabe Ortiz is a cop. His brother Larry, a mystery Gabe didn't want to solve until it was too late. He was the head of this gang. You're going to push that line for the calls. Took us under his wing and showed us the game, as they call it. When Larry's killed,

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