Bachelor Happy Hour - Johnny Shows His Vulnerable Side

Episode Date: August 9, 2022

Becca and Michelle are joined by Johnny this week for a fun conversation about his journey on “The Bachelorette” so far! He opens up about how his vulnerable conversation with Gabby progressed their relationship, his stance on Logan switching sides, what his time at the beer spa was really like, and so much more. Plus, Becca and Michelle give their thoughts on Logan’s switcheroo and share what they would’ve done if they were in Gabby’s shoes. Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode. See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're back and I'm Becca Kufrin. And I'm Michelle Young. And we're so excited for this week to talk all about the episode of The Bacheloretts, of course, and the ongoing journeys of our girls, Gabby and Rachel. And it's week five of The Bachelorette, which it's going fast. It always does. but I feel like it's going extra fast. But I'm so happy to be back with you, Becca, because this week we are talking to Johnny,

who is the man who proved you can be vulnerable and still fun during his one-on-one date with Gabby. Yes, Michelle, I'm so excited to have Johnny on because you just said it best. He proved he can be vulnerable and open up and talk about some deeper, heavier things, but also still have fun. And I expected nothing less.

I feel like that date started off on such a fun, fresh foot for both of them. I can't wait to pick his brain. And we did see some, I don't even want to say drama go down on this week's episode, but like we didn't see this little switcheroo with Logan. And because Johnny was actually there living with the guys and when this first hand, I'm so excited to pick his brain on all of that. But before we bring him on, Michelle, you are glowing. Today you have this like fresh summer face, I feel like.

So I want to know, because I'm coming to Minnesota this week, what's good back in the homeland. Okay. I will say that I think, I've heard this for multiple people, but this is probably the best Minnesota summer that I've had since in my 29 years of living. It's just been the weather, but every single day, it's like blue skies, sunny. We don't have that gloomy weather. It rains, but it rains at night when you're sleeping, so you like have that sound noise to fall asleep in. And it's just, I've been able to get out on the lake so much because the weather's been consistent. and, you know, working out, hanging out at the pool, it's been, it's been really nice and needed. Yes, exactly.

Well, I can't wait. I'm hoping, you know, I'm doing like a little quick family trip with my mom and sister before my sister has her second baby. So it's like a little girl's weekend. But maybe if I can sneak away, you and I can grab a drink or something. I would love that. I don't know. Okay. I don't know if you're like as big of a foodie as I am.

But like every time I know I'm coming back to Minnesota, I. I stack up on reservations where it's like, okay, I have to go for sure to Bar LaGrasse because it has the best pasta. I have to go to Linden Hills to like my favorite bookstore to get Sebastian Joe's ice cream. Like I want to know. And if anyone either lives in Minnesota or if you're, if you happen to visit there, Michelle, what are your favorite go-to spots? Oh, see, I feel like I don't even want to share that because then I don't want people to go there. Like, I wanted to be a secret, okay? But you can't hold off on the best places.

You know? Yeah. Give me like one or two. One or two. But I am, I'm very much a huge foodie like you, Becca. Like, if I know that I'm going to be going to an area, I look at the menu days before to kind of look at everything. But I feel like I'm, you know, in Minnesota, I go to Cove and Wiseta on the lake. Like, that is my spot during the summer just because I love the patio and that area.

and then any chance I get to eat on the lake. Wait, have you had Cove's big-ass ice cream cake? I've probably had nearly everything on the Cove menu. That's a flex or a flag. Okay, so you're coming back to Minneapolis, Minnesota. You're spending some time here, but you have a lot going on where you're at. Catch us up to speak. You have a lot going on.

Oh, my gosh, to say the least. I don't even know where to begin. And so, I mean, we've talked about this before. Thomas and I are, you know, fresh in this new house, total demolition mess. He, the entire house is completely gutted. There is not one room where we're not doing work. It's been a struggle. And, I mean, I don't know about anyone out there. Like, I'm very organized, very type A. Like, I need to have a proper place and space and everything for. everything and I don't have that currently so I am losing my gosh dang mind I like I joke with Thomas I love him so much but I'm like I might divorce you before we're even married because this has been such a crazy time but but it's actually really cool too because Thomas is so in his element he is so great about building and fixing and working on projects and like having this vision of this house come together. So it's been really cool to see the baby steps and

like see him. I mean, honestly, to see him get like down and dirty and sweaty, it's pretty sexy. Oh, yeah. Someone who can build. It's so nice. And I honestly like should not complain because he has been so incredible and it's going to be lovely once it's finally done and we make this space our own. But it's a process of getting there. So that's why I'm happy I have outlets like this where we can have our girl chat and do the podcast and get away from all that craziness. Until it's done. Fly to Minnesota, extra trips will take some extra trips for you. I might not even leave minutes.

I might come back this week and stay there for the next couple months until this is done. If I got canceled, it's really weird. Sorry, Thomas. You can watch the dogs for the next three months, right? While you're building a house? Cool. Thanks, buddy. No, but it's, yeah, it's been interesting.

And speaking of interesting, I want to pick your brain on this week's episode because, as you said, it's week five. We're halfway through. I don't know about you. Were you shocked when I think it was Rachel at the beginning of the episode said like hometowns are in two weeks? Yeah, that caught me off guard. I actually rewinded a little bit to make sure that I heard everything correctly. Yeah, two weeks. Because I feel like we just got started. Same. Two weeks and we're already in hometowns. I'm like, damn, this season is flying by. Yeah, yeah, that caught me off guard And that was like a reality check of

You know, just kind of really looking to see like Which conversations still need to be had And wow, I just It's wild They're just sitting started Um, okay, I think the main Like one of the main themes of this week Or like, you know, things that took place

Is with Logan And we kind of saw the start of it last week As he was in Rachel's group dating Rachel, but still like thinking about Gabby. I mean, this week we saw the full switcheroo. And we don't necessarily need to get into all of those details. But I actually want to ask you this, Michelle, because I'm, you know, as I'm watching, I'm putting myself back in the mindset of the bachelor's. And like, if I was in this position, how would I react? How would I handle things? Would I do things the same or different? So if Logan came to you,

say you were along with Rachel and you were both bacheloretts. If Logan came to you and was like, I am leaving Rachel's group and I want to still pursue things with you because I can't get you out of my mind. What would you have done? I honestly would have handled exactly how Gabby did that in that situation. It's just her navigating everything with Rachel to make sure that they have that open line of communication, especially in such a unique situation where there's going to be like a lot of sticky, sticky situation. when you have two different bachelorets in this episode. And I'm kind of actually surprised that it didn't happen before this point. And I'm also surprised that, yeah, that we just didn't see more of it.

And so the fact that Gabby paused to go speak to Rachel to get her thoughts on it and really work through it because this isn't something that anybody has been through before. And so it's like there's not a rulebook on how to navigate it. But I guess my question is, would you have kept? slogan around. But I mean, it does depend on the connection. Like, that's the hard part. It's like it truly

does if you have a deep connection with that person and you, at week five, you actually feel that that person, like you were sad that you weren't continuing to date them, then maybe I would possibly consider it. But I don't

know. Okay, for me, okay, so here's where I struggle. Here's where I struggle with it. My connection with that person would have already had to be at a very deep point to keep that person around. But that being said, if I felt that deeply and then they didn't, then I don't know. I don't know. What are your thoughts? Like, how would you navigate this? I, I mean, I agree with you. I think the fact that Gabby went to Rachel and was able to have this conversation, A shows the level of respect that they have for each other, but also just their friendship, right? Like, it's another key moment throughout the season that we've

seen time and again of, like, they have each other's backs and they truly care about each other. But I personally don't think I would have kept Logan around. And I'll tell you why, for a couple reasons. One, he's already missed two vital weeks. And time is really of the essence. As we know, we always talk about how important time is. And he's already missed two out of the five weeks. So there's already two out of five weeks that have been missing time with each other, right? And times of the essence. And also, I had something similar happened on my season where a guy got injured on a date,

had to go home, had to have surgery. He was away for a couple weeks. And I was actually offered the opportunity to bring him back. And it was, I think, the same time frame, week five or six. And I said no, because I at that point with the men I had been dating and that I had formed connections with and that I was invested with, I was like, I can't do this to these men who I care about because I know that it's going to backtrack a bit with them. And so I think, and again, like, if there's a connection there, explore it. Like, I'm just giving my opinion and what I would do, which is not the same as well. what somebody else would do. And that's okay. I think the way everything was handled was very mature,

very respectful, truly the best way anything could have transpired in this scenario. I just wouldn't have done the same thing, probably. It's so hard when you're not there. You know, you just got to follow your gut. But would you, yeah. But how, I mean, like, for you personally, if that were to happen, like, I'm sure you, because you're an empathetic person, you would feel for the men that you were already so involved with. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I definitely would. I think I have a hard time jumping into that because, like, when my head, I'm thinking, okay, so if, like, Logan were to come back and I'm like, I just, that's, you know, that's, I can't put myself in the position because I'm like, I don't, I'm not dating Logan. So who knows? Well, okay. Who knows? But I do get what you're saying.

It's just, it really depends, though, because it's all factors of what's, going on. It's all factors of like what you know, how the other guys are handling, how your other relationships are progressing, how maybe they're not progressing. So it really, it really truly depends on your relationships and what you have with of the other people. Yeah. Was there any other key moments that really stuck out to you that you want to highlight right now? I just feel like Gabby is in a place where she really is challenging herself. to open up. And in this past week, I felt like I got to see that even more so because you are getting into, you know, the really deep conversations. And she has been very vocal about that's

really difficult for her. But anytime she's speaking, it's just she's able to really speak clearly about her emotions and identify her emotions. And I think she's doing a wonderful job challenging the men then to do that as well. And they, you know, are able to sit down and open up and feel like they have like, almost like the structure of the conversation, if that makes sense. Like a safe space to be able to open up more and get into deeper, heavier things. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I think that's the thing that I enjoyed so much this week. Okay. Before we bring on, Johnny, I have one final question about not even this particular episode, but mainly this episode, but everything leading up.

Is it just so apparent to you who Rachel's, I already know who her final two are going to be just from the interactions. It is... What are you looking at? What are you looking at? I think just everything. I think her conversations, the way she talks about two men in particular, the amount of screen time that two men in her group of guys,

it's just like... You're going into screen time and everything. And I'm going to, and I'm going to say this once again. I say it week after week. I truly don't know who either of these women end up with. I don't know. I don't even know who is going to be final four at Hometowns. But like, I'm pretty sure I know who will be final two for Rachel.

It is so apparent. How do you feel about the final two? Oh, I mean, like. Wait, do you want to identify or do you want to identify the final two or no? Well, I will. I mean, if, okay, I'm just, I'm just preface. to see this with this is just my this is just my opinion and from what i'm seeing but right now out of rachel's what six or seven men left she is all in on tino and zach one thousand

percent i'm calling it with just my own thoughts and opinions and being a critical thinker here it's those to you and there's no competition I wouldn't necessarily... Don't agree with me. I would say that I agree with you at this point. Yes, I agree with you at this point. Do I know that things can drastically change? Yes.

Who knows? Logan may... I'm trying to switch back. And that time, send them home. Rachel actually brings Chris back and begins to date him, is what you're saying. Right. Okay. 100% what happens.

No, I mean, that's the thing. Anything can happen. But right now. thing can truly happen on this show. I really can. All right. Well, Michelle, I mean, like always, I could chat with you forever. But we do have a guest ready and waiting. And it's time to bring on Johnny. He and Gabby's connection went to a whole other level this week during their first one-on-one together. And again, Michelle, he was vulnerable. He was fun. It was like the full combination of everything we love to see when people are dating on this show.

so everybody please help us welcome johnny to happy hour welcome to bachelor happy hour johnny we are so excited that you are here with us how are you doing thank you i'm good i'm good thank you for having me this is amazing absolutely johnny i need to know where are you from because i'm getting like jersey vibes a little bit but i can be completely off no you are you are it's i'm from jersey but are you yeah Yeah, I am. Look at that. You look me up.

I know you did. No, I swear. No offense. I don't look any of you guys up until I know like you're the one at the very, very end. Yeah, no. Yeah, I moved from Jersey and I was around 15. So there's a little Jersey twang in there. Okay.

Nice. Yeah. I love that. I love that. But before we get into everything, how did you come about on this show? How did you actually get to be on the Bachelor? How did I guess be on the TV show the Bachelor? the TV show with Batchett? Yeah. I actually, you know, I wouldn't call it a breakup,

but I kind of was in a relationship that didn't work out. And when it ended, I was kind of bummed and my friends were kind of over me moping around. They're like, we got to get this kid somewhere. So my one buddy decided to submit me. And then, yeah, the rest is history. Were you surprised? Like, did they tell you? No. Did you find that when they reached out when they reached out and I was like this is not real and I was like hey do we know anything about this and they were like uh yeah 100% you're going on I'm like okay let's do this I want to get into there's a lot to unpack with what you just said about like how you actually got on the show like you ended the relationship which is I know something you and Gabby had talked about

but starting out just fresh night one taken back to right out of the limo um this is how oh yes I mean we all We all say everyone. Nervous. It was terrible. That's the one word everyone uses, fresh out, is blacked out. But when you came out right away, were you pretty much fully focused on Gabby? Or were you like, both of these women are beautiful?

They're both great. Let's explore. Yeah, for the most part, you know, I didn't have any expectations or anything. And I thought they were both beautiful. So I feel like I was going to go off of who I vibed with more. and you know I kind of left that door open for you know up until the first group date and then as you guys saw I got the group date rose and I think that's when I knew I was like Gabby's all the way we did see the group date row is um the the speedo pageant right

oh my god yeah I did that I forgot you got the group date rows can you don't remember what the group date was I'm so proud I worked my ass off for that I'm good I wish absolutely I wish right now he's like I actually have that group date rose right behind me. No, but I have the speedo. You kept it. Yeah, it's hanging on his bulletin board behind him, everyone. Of course I kept it.

Yeah, immorabilia. I got it. Okay, but will you wear it? Whether you go on vacation to a beach. That's done. I hung that up. Yeah. He's like, you might see more of it one day.

Who knows? That's a past life. So, okay, you won the first group date rose. It was exciting, but then you had a few weeks, it wasn't until Belgium that you got the first one-on-one. So in between that time when you were on group date after group date, at any point were you feeling kind of down of like, when is it going to be my turn? I need that time or like that weird limbo phase before you got that one-on-one. Like, where was your mind at? No, for sure.

I think, you know, I explained it as kind of like an emotional roller coaster because you know there's potential and you know that this could, you know, be your person, but you're just getting these small foundations. So, you know, it was just, it was small foundations that we kept building and building. And I was super upset, you know, every time I didn't get the one-on-one. But I just knew when I did get that one-on-one, we had built such a solid small foundation that it would be that much more amazing. And that's how I kind of looked at it through the whole process. Because even I think this week Gabby talks about how like your confidence, you know, you're the cool guy. You have confidence. Was there ever a moment though where you started to doubt that and just feel uneasy before that one-on-one?

For sure. I feel like, I mean, I kind of come into this whole thing not feeling so confident. And, you know, it's hard when there's 33, you know, amazing people there. So, you know, I think you feel that the whole time, at least I did. And, yeah, I lost track of the question. I apologize. So just to add on kind of to what Michelle was asking, I mean, I was in your position many moons ago where I remember, I mean, I had a slightly different position than you because I actually got the very first one-on-one. But then there were, I think it was like a five-week span where I didn't get another one-on-one.

on one date and have that like real alone intimate time with somebody and people in between come back from these dates and they're like oh I establish such a start connection like I'm totally into this girl like there is something there she could be my potential partner and for you I mean you didn't get that one-on-one for five weeks I'm sure you're seeing guys come home week after week no if you for you you definitely get in your feelings you know and then you're talking to them and you kind of realize the amazing time they had and and then you start to feel like you're you know like you did build this crazy good foundation then you're like okay well now where's it going you know you kind of ride this roller coaster up and now you're like coming back down so you're kind of

just waiting for that up again so yeah like I said it was an up and down roller coaster with me and I would go through there was days where I felt you know awful where I was like okay maybe I'm not the one and maybe I don't deserve to be here and then you know I speak with her for 10 or 15 minutes I'm like no 100% or something there let's keep going yeah that's amazing though even just because it's such an unnatural situation you two always seem to almost just not miss a beat and so you finally receive your one-on-one oh yeah what do you say wait when you say miss a beat i'm i'm just picturing the part where you guys are on your date smacking each other with the leaves like definitely did not miss any beats in that moment no no beats it's terrible yeah well you have to be enjoying yourself in that moment.

Honestly, though. I like, low-key loved it, but, you know, we're not going to talk about that. He's like, why not? Do it harder, Gabby. The little freak flag was raised, for sure. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Did you just, did you just say freak flag? Yeah, the freak flag was raised a little bit.

The best part was when Gabby was like, hit my face. So ridiculous. We had fun. We can't deny that. Are you blushing, Johnny? I'm blushing right now. I'm so nervous. don't be nervous we'll get you back on track no more no more talking about spank you

we'll bring it back we'll bring it back but okay so you finally get your one-on-one yeah how excited were you when you finally heard your name like you are finally going on this one-on-one day with gabby oh my gosh it means the world you know I feel like you know that that's the goal the whole time we're trying to get that one-on-one time and solidify you know our place and yeah you want it sooner than later but you feel you feel like you're on top of the world. Where did your mind go with it all? Like, did you have questions?

Okay, I want to talk to her about this, this, and this. Like, did you have things that you... For the most part, yeah. Every time we, you know, like I said, every time we hung out was just small foundation. So I was just looking to kind of dive a little deeper than just the surface. But also, I know, you know,

both Gabby and Rachel kind of, you know, went through it last season. So I did, you know, for the most part, want to show Gabby a good time. So, you know, for the first part, I really just wanted to focus on having fun with her. And, you know, I feel like you kind of build that friendship first. And then, you know, those relationships are stronger, you know,

when you do have a friendship and, you know, so that's how I felt. It seemed like you had a level of comfortability with, oh my gosh, am I saying that right? Comfortability. Comfortability. Wow, I cannot talk ever. But it seems like, like you just said, you built this solid foundation.

and you guys did a couple interesting things on that date. You not only went to beer tasting, but you had this like spa-like moment, I think, in a beer tub. Like during the day portion, what was... That was the craziest thing I've ever done in my entire life. And you were drinking it. We were not supposed to be drinking it, but that was just me and Gabby, just doing our thing.

What was your favorite part overall of that one-on-one with Gabby? Oh my God. I don't know. It was all amazing, but I think it's like the little moments. Like when I first saw her when I was walking to the farm, I think that was special. And then the date, the night portion, you know, just kind of in like that bruised time square area and running around with her. I thought, you know, it just felt like a movie. So those like little moments like I'll remember. Yeah. So special. For sure. And there's like those. Okay. So now that you. You've gone through the show, you know that you can have fun with Gabby during the day. The day portion is all about laughing, doing whatever fun activity, uncomfortable, pushing outside your comfort zone. And then you get into the night portion and you do have those more serious conversations. And that was something that we hadn't seen between you and Gabby quite yet.

Is that something like being that type of vulnerable of getting below the surface? Is that something that's incredibly important to you? what I've learned from the show honestly yeah I think it's something that you know I really look look for in a relationship and I'm not super vulnerable so it was hard for me it was super hard to get like that but you know it's something I'm definitely working on still and and I think there's a whole process of falling in love and I think you know there's certain steps you need to take like building that connection that friendship and then getting vulnerable someone and just letting them see all of you. So I think, you know, I was trying to go

through the process when I was doing that. Yeah. And I want to actually commend you for getting to that point to be able to open up about your past struggles with anxiety and depression because I think it's a lot more common than people ever realize. And I love now that the fact is kind of highlighting those conversations a bit more where people don't necessarily feel like they're alone. And the point to that is, like, you and Gabby were both able to share very similar stories about it. How did that moment feel when you were sitting there talking to her and opening up about these struggles? How did it feel to finally be able to let your guard down? And I'm sure, trust her a little bit more with that information.

It was amazing. It was, like I said, it was trusting the process. And it kind of just made me realize, like, this could, you know, this could be. real and there's potential and it's something I have never done with anyone so you know it kind of just put her in the light even more for me and then the fact that she kind of reciprocated it and you know kind of threw it back at me I was like okay there's people who are out here who feel the same and you know it's like you should never be too scared to you know kind of work those things out so it felt really good and I mean she's made me a whole different person

I do completely just agree with Becca because not only are you being vulnerable but you're being vulnerable in a situation where you know there's going to be other people watching it and it's a lot and it's really hard and you don't know how Gabby's going to receive it and you don't know necessarily how it's going to come off and that is a lot but there are so many benefits

of opening up and for me when you said you know working you don't need to be scared it's almost you can be scared just don't let that stop you from opening up. I mean, I'm not going to lie. I was scared shitless 100%. Good, but you don't let it stop you though, right? No, no, because, you know, I thought if I'm really here and I'm really trying to figure

this out with this person, like, you got to go for it. You can't just hold back and, you know, and I saw that, you know, she was cool with me and she would have my back. So I was cool with it, but scared shitless, no doubt. Yeah, well, I get it. I get it too. And even now, like, it's one thing to be having those conversations. in front of the person that you're dating months ago when you're filming.

And it's going to probably be a whole different ballgame for you now that it's airing. And the world is watching you back. And I really hope that. And I am pretty confident to say that I'm sure there's going to be a lot of support behind you and a lot of people reaching out who have been through something similar. And they thank you for being open because now they maybe feel like they can. And so I want to know if you're comfortable talking about it, we, Michelle and I, And I'm sure our listeners would love to know kind of how you've dealt with these struggles throughout your life or what tools that you have learned within maybe recent months of how to help you cope.

For sure, yeah. Well, first off, I think my mom is a huge person in my life. So anytime I'm feeling like this, I definitely bounce things off my mom. So she's been a huge tool with just kind of, you know, when I feel down or, you know, even depressed, just kind of speaking with. someone um and then don't be afraid to seek help you know i've seen therapists and it's a huge help and i think you know it's a tool that i'm trying to use more and more as you know i get older and and i just don't care what people think and i think that's like the biggest part yeah i mean get the help you need and just you'll feel a hundred times better because there's certain things and there's

there's there's reasons why you feel like this and i feel like they're underlining and sometimes you don't always know, and there's people out there that can help you. So for the longest time, I kept it bottled up, and I think it's ruined relationships, and, yeah, I just feel so much better now that I can kind of just take care of it and just not care what people think. I love everything that you just said. I think, I mean, kudos to you for speaking out about it. I mean, I personally have found therapy life-changing. It's so incredible, and I think in the past there's been such a stigma around it, you know,

where it kind of receives a negative connotation, which is so, so, so not the case. And if it can help you live better mentally, physically, whatever, emotionally, anything, go for it. And so thank you for sharing that. You'll be a hundred times better if you just seek the help. A thousand percent. I say struggling or not, though, struggling or not.

Yeah, you don't have to struggle. Yeah. A therapist, a life coach, anything, right? 100%. Dude, my therapist is like my best friend. I have on speed dial. Yeah, everyone likes great. I'm like, what's up? Yeah, that's tall. Can we tell you?

How has it been for you watching everything back and watching yourself go through just these entire first five weeks? It's weird for sure. Is that a correct word? Weird? It's weird for sure. But it's like a growing process too. I feel like watching. watching it and kind of just replaying everything and, you know, the whole, the whole, you know, experience is a process and it's definitely a growing process for sure. So I enjoy it. It's definitely weird to watch, but at the same time, I feel like I'm learning so much from it. I love, Michelle, I love that question, and I want to follow up to that because everyone who's a contestant, I think, can attest to this at some point. it's like when you're filming and you're living it in the moment you it's one thing right like

that's your experience it's in real time but now months later when you watch it back it's vastly different when you're living it right when you're in the moment you know you have your one perception in your reality of everything that you're going through and then months later when it airs back there's so much more that you're probably seen at this point that you're hearing that you maybe didn't know what was happening in the moment what is that like like is there a lot more that you're learning about Gabby or the men that you didn't necessarily see in real-time months ago? Yeah, 100% for sure. I think there's, you know, there's a lot of interviews we didn't get to see that Gabby went through.

And there's a lot of emotions that we didn't get to see Gabby go through. So it's super upsetting at times. You know, even just the guys in the house, you know, I feel like you see a lot more that you don't see. And there's a lot that goes on behind closed doors that, you know, as much as, we are together, there's a lot of the times we aren't together. So yeah, you learn a lot about everyone, even yourself. Yeah. It is just, it is such an odd situation. It's a steep learning curve that honestly, even patron nation audience won't understand to a certain degree of experiencing it like Becca said and then also experiencing watching it back, having everybody watch it back,

and then having social media involved. But I do have to ask, switching gears just a little bit, okay when you found out that logan was leaving rachel's team or made a decision to pursue gabby that is something that you guys were aware of and that you did experience to a certain extent what were your thoughts on that um i'm i'm going to be you know a hundred percent honest. Logan definitely leads with his heart and and what he did what he felt but at the same time on our side we knew that we have gone through so much with Gabby already so we were very much like well you know he did what he thought was best for him and and that's amazing but we were also like

well now we're going to lose someone who you know who's been with Gabby through the whole process so it was very up and down very up and down but you know yeah it was a weird situation for sure is that but okay so it's the first season with two bacheloretts you guys talk is that something that was spoken about at the house like that is for sure a possibility that that could happen for sure it's very realistic it's realistic it's a possibility I think when they announced two bacheloretts the first thing that goes to your head was like okay well what if you're into both or what if both like you or what if you make a connection with both of them and you know i don't think it's a test to logan's character i think if anything it shows you know

maybe he was a likable person and both these girls did have feelings for him you know i'm playing devil's advocate but um well and that was something that was said is both women i think gabby was like he was the only guy that there was that overlap that we were both into him yeah i feel like the other men it was more clear cut and with him they were both like he's a cool dude we're kind of vibing with him for sure and you and you know it's not just us too we thought you know what if they were into both of us and or you know both of them into one of us and we knew that it would happen with someone eventually it had to so right you know I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing I just think you know maybe Logan is a likable person and these two girls

you know thought he was a cool dude for sure so um okay the way that the rose ceremonies are structured it's because there are two leads it's slightly different from what we've seen so once you guys receive the rose you go down into a separate room so you don't know necessarily who's going to be walking down the stairs who's going to the other group men you know who got the rose with the other woman so when it was logan who got the last rose from gabby and he walked down and we saw Mario and michael go home what did that feel like because i'm sure even if it sounds like Logan got along with most of you and he's a pretty cool dude. But at the same time, I feel like there's still this level of respect or this like precedent set of like, you know, Mario and Michael were here since the beginning with her and they were all in with her and we've spent five weeks together with Gabby.

So when you saw Logan as the last person to walk down the stairs, what was the collective in that room? I mean, it's exactly how you put it. It was mixed emotions for sure. Because. Logan did get along with everyone and he was very much a shoulder for people to lean on you know and Logan and me are the same age he's 25 26 and I considered him an older brother because anything I need to talk about he was there so he got along with everyone but at the same time you know Michael and Mario have been there and you know they were like like brother or says too so it was very strange and it was mixed it was mixed emotions um truly like like the best way to put it, you know, no one was too happy, no one was too upset, but it was just

very, like, dull. You know, there was like an eerie ceiling in the air. Did anyone ever look at like the legit? I mean, I guess the logistics is maybe the correct word, but this is a really fast process as is. And so like when you're having to choose teams, you're losing out on like getting to know somebody. And, you know, if you do want an engagement at the end or whatever you're looking for, you want it to be successful. Does, did anyone on Gabby's side really feel that Logan would just not have enough time to get to know Gabby and vice versa because of this late switch? Yeah. Yeah. It did feel like that too. It also felt like, you know, it was really late in the process and it would be hard to, you know, kind of go through with the whole thing

knowing you only had this amount of time left. But also, I think more so for Logan, it was just like, what if I didn't do it? And I know a lot of people felt like that. A lot of people did choose one person and they were, you know, saying how like, well, what if it was her? We never got to experience it. Oh, wait, who was saying that besides Logan?

Spill the tea, Johnny. You'll never get it out of me. Oh, that is the piece of information that everyone wants to hear. Nope. I know. So as you were just... For the boys only. As you were just speaking,

this thought crossed my mind that at this point, I mean, collectively, there's still a decent amount of you guys left. And usually in past seasons, there's a lot of drama between the men, or at least a couple of the men. And really, this season, we haven't seen any of that besides early on with Chris, who obviously left very early. It's mainly more so the drama that we're witnessing is the women trying to feel like, you know, are the men here for me and are they going to jump ship? it's this is like unlike anything we have ever seen before I don't want to say you're living in a moment right now Johnny but you are and I guess that leads to my question for you

because you were living with all these guys like was there any drama between you as individuals that we aren't seen or was it mainly just like the situation with two leads um personally I think it was more so the situation with two leads I think as a whole the group really did get along with each other and it was weird too

because we would sit around and be like you know there's really not a whole lot of drama or beef with anyone and you know we did you know we knew that past season there was crazy drama so I think it was more so with the leads and kind of just deciding and things like that

but personally me no I didn't really have you know drama or anything with anyone a lot of us in the house were just shoulders to lean on it was just a really good group of guys Well, I was going to say, you guys kind of lucked out with, I know it's weird and no one really knew how to handle it because this is the first time. But you guys really did, I think, I mean, not only with your traveling and living on a cruise ship, but you did luck out with how it's all coming together as a whole.

For sure. For sure. It's been an amazing experience. Okay, so you said, you've said this about yourself and then as, well, as Logan, just being a shoulder to lean on. through this experience is because you're not talking to friends, you're not talking to family. You're truly like going through this very, very unique situation. How did you not comfort, I guess maybe comfort, how did you like help men who are leaning on your shoulder, but they're also dating the person that you're dating?

How did you handle that? Honestly, that I got advice from Gabby on that when we talked and I'm not sure. if they even showed it, but she just told me that you have to compartmentalize, you know, and that was from her. So I kind of took, and that was from the beginning. So I took that with me through the whole process. And, you know, I've been, you know, through relationships and just through things in life to where I thought I had enough knowledge and wisdom to where when people did want to come and lean on me, I was there for them. And, you know, we did just compartmentalize. And, you know, my relationship with Gabby was separate from everyone else. So I kind of looked at it

like that and and it's such a weird experience because you know you're dating this girl with 33 other people when can you do that you never ever so it's never ever tinder bumble you're saying it's all that coming in the real world he's a closed book over here no nothing i'm not like that i'm not like that but you just have to compartmentalize and i think you know i would i would preach that too to everyone there just my relationship's separate than yours you know you may have a different experience with gabby than i may so let's just treat it like different relationships and we're all here for each other and whatever they need you know i was there right it was a very very good group of people so you know who are you out of all of the men who are you still super close with um you know me and

Logan talk a lot. Eric is like my brother, Erch. Mm-hmm. Erch. Erch. He's like a Viking. And Quincy. Quincy was literally like from day one.

I think I walked in and we just hugged each other just out of nowhere. And Quincy was like, he said something. He's like, if it doesn't work out with me and Gabby, I want you to meet my family. And I was like I got to. Oh, I love that. He seemed like he had just good energy, lifted the morale of the group. Quincy was funny. My God.

Yeah. Those three I'm pretty close with for sure. Okay. Okay. What about Hayden? I'm not really close to Hayden a whole lot, but. No facial expression. Come on.

Give us something, Johnny. Okay. I do have a question, and this is not related to really the show. But when you were on your one-on-one date with Gabby and also at the top of this episode, you had mentioned prior to coming on to The Bachelorette, you had just gotten out, somewhat recently of a relationship so I need to ask the hard hitting questions number one

how soon was it out of that relationship that you came on the show and because we've seen this in the past too is there any I want to say like maybe worry or hesitancy in the back of your mind where it's like

your ex would come and be like he you know we've seen shady shady shit in the past where He didn't necessarily break up with me or, you know, I thought we were still talking or still together before he left. Anything like that that could potentially come out? No, not at all.

I think, you know, the relationship that I kind of was bummed about, if you want to call it that, I can't give her too much credit. It was like a year before I went on the show. Oh, so it was a while. So, okay. Yeah, yeah. So it was kind of like, you know, and then you go through the process of trying to get on the show.

the time like we started filming it's been maybe a year if that okay I thought when you said when you mentioned on the show I was like oh shit did he just get out of a relationship last week because he ain't ready to get engaged after this well it did come off like it was super soon but now that I'm even just like watching your

body language and how you're experiencing it it's just more of like you really really cared you were hurt by it and so you carried it with me I I never dated a lot you know I've been like you know a month or two months relationships and you know i had one serious girlfriend when i was in high school and then you know after that i was pretty much single and just dating and then i finally found someone who i was like

okay i could see myself with this person and it just went south and i was just like i'm not doing this like i'm done like this is not for me relationships don't work out and then you know i was like let's give it another shot but so how daunting was that going from shortish relationships to then potentially being like I could get engaged by the end of this. Well, I think with me, you know, it was more so I have gone through the emotions of what I want and, you know, just relationships and just being on dates and just, you know, the person I want to be with. So I always said, you know, the next person I do end up, you know, calling my girlfriend or

whatever, like I'm going to marry that person because I didn't want to waste any time. And I was just like, I know what I want now. like if if I don't see something serious or like a real commitment like I'm not going to commit to you so I always said you know if I found that person and the next person I do commit to like I'm committing to her forever yes and we love that one we love a mature man okay love it you just knocked it out of the part Johnny no picked it out of the part I love it I love the hand swing too that he just did a little laugh I know I'm like hey look at that energy look at That energy.

Wow. I feel like you look relieved. This is like a, I'm just not, can't talk to me as much. I know, I just say like a huge breath. I'm like, oh, God, I'm done. Therapy session. He's like, oh my God, it's almost done. I feel so happy.

Weight off my shoulders. Okay, heavy hitting questions are over. This one might be tough because you got to kind of keep it short. But we ask every guest on here to, without giving too much away, to give us a teaser of what to expect from the rest of Gabby and Rachel's season. I'm going to get in trouble I've been getting in trouble what can I say Give it to us

Give it to us This is the place to do it From the rest of this season Um Wild West I think it gets crazier Oh Wild West

I think that's all I got I think it gets No idea how to feel about that I'm just picturing you guys Like roaming through Montana And horseback I know that's like That's time.

Yeah. Like tumbleweeds blowing in the wind. Me and air. Right. Back on the cruise ship. Let's go. Turn it around. Well, Johnny, it has been awesome talking with you.

We do love our games here on Bachelor Happy Hours. We're going to do a little getting to know you game. And it's called Rapid Fire. I want to throw a question at you and you have to answer like on the spot. So it's going to be super quick. You ready? I'm really good at this. So let's see.

Oh, wow. Okay. You set it. Set the bar. Then let's go. All right. Are you an early. Riser or a night owl. Both.

Okay. Best dating advice you ever received. What if it can turn out better than you imagine? How do you like your pizza? Good life vice. That is good. Good. phenomenal. How do you like your pizza? Crispy, for sure.

Crispy, okay. What is your signature dance move? You have to show it and tell us. Yep. Show it. I'm going to break something if I show it. That's okay. I can do a backflip. Do you have room to do a backflip? Take out your headphones.

That's your dance move, okay. No, no, no, okay. Clear the room. Don't show us. Don't show us here, but when we see you at either mental all or the finale, we will be expecting a full black backflip. You'll see a backflip.

I promise. I'm holding you to that. What's your favorite curse word? What's that one, TikTok? It's like, I don't know. Fuck. Oh, yeah. You cuss a little.

it's like fuck what is your guilty pleasure flaming hot cheetos what is your go-to karaoke song so I've done karaoke once and it was 50 cent P-I-NP so I'm gonna go with that we're learning a lot he actually is good at this game he I like I like him he is rapid fire which I appreciate what is the current screensaver on your phone my dog and passed away. Kila. If you could visit anywhere in the world, where would you go? Italy. My family's from Italy and I've never been. Okay. Last one. What is one word?

Oh, God, I kind of asked you already this. What is one word to describe the rest of the season besides Wild West? Because that's definitely two. Um, um, ins no come on I need a good word here he was gonna say inspirational let's do it inspirational you were gonna say inspirational I think I was gonna say insanity but then you said inspiration I was like I like

inspirational better and then Rebecca said fuck and I was like fucks I was like no I thought you know Wild West and inspirational same thing we are so I feel like we're on a whole new level he just called me Rebecca, which only my mother does. Rebecca. Is this full name Jonathan, or is it just Johnny? It's John. Yeah.

I'm the third, so I go by Johnny. There's too many of us. John the third. It's like a huge, huge Italian family, and everyone thinks it's cool to name their kids, John. Yeah, I was going to say, it's kind of like the Pope, like John Paul the third or something. I don't get it. But I guess I have to name my kid, John. Yeah.

You have a trend going on. All right. John the third. Before we let you go, it's that time. You just don't have a filter and I love it. Take no shit. It is that time to share your Rose and Thorn of this week's episode or I guess of, well, it's not even this episode, right?

It's just everything. So up until this point, we want your rose and your thorn. So your best or favorite moment and then the messiest or your least favorite. the rose for me would be a hundred percent walking on to that farm with gavie no doubt that the one-on-one to the brewery so that was you know that was a highlight i had so much fun and then a thorn does it have to be something that you guys saw or can this be like it can be anything anything you experience like we love behind the scenes too so um yeah so a thorn for me is right before we flew to Paris I woke up with like an insane pimple on my neck

and like no this thing was like Quincy described as being an alien growing out of my neck so I wore a bandana around my neck through the whole trip to Paris and everyone was like why does we need this on the bloopers someone needs it they have video footage and me walking around with a bandana tied around my neck and if you were like what's he trying to like do is this a fashion statement and I'm like no there's an alien like in my neck Wait, we're going to see actual footage now of, like, guys in a few weeks, like, all putting bandanas around their necks just to try to match Johnny. Oh, I swear, yeah. I had my Levi jacket with a bandana tie wrap.

It looked amazing, but it was strictly to cover up a pimple that was the size of, like, an orange. I feel like that's going to be really relatable to anyone who listens to this. Release the footage of the bandana. Release it. All right. Well, Johnny, the time has come where. We got to kick you off and keep talking. I had so much fun.

I know. This was great. See, it wasn't that bad. I feel like all of you guys come on and you're all kind of nervous or hesitant. You're also sarcastic though, so you could have just not meant that, you know? No, I meant it. She's like, I hate this kid. No, no, I actually, no.

I like you. I like you. You have a good head on your shoulders. You got jokes. You're decent, kid. You're decent. I'm all right. I'm all right.

Well, Johnny, we will see you very soon. at either the Menthal All or the finale. We can't wait to see that backflip. But in the meantime, hang in there, have fun watching all of this crazy journey unfold. It was so nice meeting you too, and I appreciate you for having me. Of course.

Thanks, Johnny. Take care. All right. Well, that was fun having another one of this season's fellas on with us. And I feel like he got a little bit more comfortable with us as time went on to let his guard down, which was fun to see. Oh, he did. Oh, he did.

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