Bachelor Happy Hour - Jonathon’s ‘Paradise’ Ebbs and Flows

Episode Date: July 22, 2025

Today on “Happy Hour,” we’re sitting down with Jonathon Johnson to chat all about his “Paradise” journey! We kick things off by learning all about his long-anticipated beach debut, from hearing the news at Jenn’s “Men Tell All” to finally arriving in “Paradise”! Did he date anyone prior to coming on? Then, we get into everything we’ve seen so far on the beach--what really went down between him and Alexe? We also get to chat about his spark with Kat; was he vying for her rose this week? Plus, we also get his POV on what happened between him and Jill. Tune in now to hear all this and so much more and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime Podcasts and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, West West, Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcasts. You know I get down. You come from the urban areas. You understand politics more than you giving credit for. Between Jerry out here, Mandarin all over the place, hop-out boys snatching up family members

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on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Joe. And I'm Serena. And we are here today with Jonathan. Jonathan, welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour. How are you?

Thanks for having me. How are you doing? doing good good another day another day in paradise love it um how we feeling everything's everything smooth

I was a little anxious after last night's episode but feeling good yeah you uh you've had um kind of an interesting run so far let's uh I guess let's get get into the beginning of it all you

when did you find out you were like asked on mental all right or something like that yeah i found i found out back in august okay and what has that been like as far as dating like did you even try to date or you just like i i just i'm i'm committed to going on paradise so i'm not going to day i was i was committed you know i'm a big proponent of like if i say yes to something i'm going to stick to that thing yeah no matter what comes along um and that's just like a life thing not specifically relationships or whatever it might be um so So while I was still open, I don't think, like, mentally I was fully, like, allowing myself to, like, fall for people that I would go see or take out on dates or do whatever it is that I was going to do. You know, I had this, this block called Paradise in the back of my mind that if I didn't go do this, like, I would potentially regret it because I had said yes to this.

I was locked in for about, was that nine months, getting ready to go. you can't you you you run around a little bit in like the bachelor circle you're invited to a lot of events in california any you know when you met like you know any of the girls from the other seasons was there anything there was everything just friendly i mean most of the girls i meet are dating people you know what i mean like in la i'll hang out with joey and kelsey i hang out with tanner hang out with justin but when i first met justin and was hanging out. He was still with Susie. You know what I mean? So like it wasn't necessarily like, oh, I'm interested in these people. But all the ones that like you would potentially be interested

in are in relationships. So I never looked at it like that. It was just like, oh, I'm going to make friends with as many of these people as I can and genuinely enjoy my time with them. So I just didn't cross paths as anybody that was in that boat. So it wasn't as much like the group of guys from your season were hanging out with like a group of girls from Joey. season okay that's kind of for the best i feel like when that organically doesn't happen yeah yeah and i was kind of holding out for that too i was like i don't want to have like a preconceived judgment on people before going in i was like i want to go in as open-minded as i can um i did but i think it kind of bit me in the butt a little bit where it's like how so um i feel like i should

have looked into people a little bit more i don't know if my asking of being like hey I would love to see this person there necessarily would have actually happened but there's a chance that it could have if I was a little bit more like hey I want to see this person there like I need to have them you're saying telling like production like I want this yeah okay okay you didn't give any names I mean I did I said I gave names of people that I was attracted to but I never like fully looked at like stocked people looked into their accounts like talk to them outside of the show because I knew how much of that bit people in the ass in previous seasons is like that's not going to be me yeah yeah part of me

kind of wishes that I did a little bit were there people that did that and it helped them once they got down there do you think um I don't think so actually what makes all those are pretty organic, you know, like Spencer and Jess, very organic. Like, I know they'd seen each other before, but I don't think they'd ever spoken. Jeremy and Bailey, like, I don't think that they'd ever actually spoken before, but they'd seen each other, and it worked out great. Yeah. Dale and Cat, nope, but again, organically met. Yeah. What makes you wish that you had done a little more research before going on? You know, because I think I'm a little bit more of a slow burn. Like, I wanted to go on and treat it very realistically and it's hard to be realistic in an unrealistic environment

I learned the hard way but when I was trying to be realistic I'm like wait I should have gotten a little bit more of an understanding of I would actually be into this person from a mental standpoint and then meet them physically in person and then go from there I see because you're a slow burn you would have kind of like helped guide you on the people that you might have been more compatible with versus finding out down there like, oh, I've just invested my time in a few people. And now I'm learning that like maybe they're not going to be a fit. Whereas if I'd done the research in advance, I could have like ruled out a few people and focused my attention elsewhere. Yep. Yep. And I don't think there was an immediate connection with anybody that

I had gotten down there with. Like Alex and I think a lot of it was people in the outside being like, you guys would be great together. You guys are going to be hilarious. Like it's a great match. It's perfect well then to us you know there's a lot of pressure behind it yet and for the first few days we're like this is too forced like nah we probably shouldn't and then we're like are we being dumb like are people seeing something we're not so we gave it a shot and you know like the funniness was there like if if we didn't have like a show and it wasn't like cutting between bits like you would just see how ADHD the conversations were like we were here here here and it made less sense than like what was put together for everybody to enjoy but we loved it you know we had so

much fun doing it I think the where things got in the way was she had brought up to me she's like oh like he doesn't feel like you're pursuing anybody so when I heard that I was like okay I'm gonna try more because I actually do enjoy spending time with you and then I think the next day I was being very direct at breakfast and I was like hey I'm really into you I feel this way about you I think you're this, I think you're that. And I don't think that she had processed it yet, but she was like, oh, it's making me uncomfortable. Uncomfortable isn't like, it's a lot of...

Back off. Let me eat my breakfast, man. Yeah, right? No, it was more like I'm getting a lot of love from you. And I don't know if I wanted it like this. Right. Like maybe she wanted more from you, but then by getting more, it kind of made her realize she didn't actually have those romantic feelings exactly exactly i mean you guys did um you had you were

the first to kiss in the tent yeah and that yeah that was really awkward that one it was perfectly awkward though like it was very much like it was very sexy moment for us but like also super awkward so it was like us like it needed to happen because we hadn't yet but it also like we couldn't get away from us being us in that moment so it was it was just hilarious yeah there's a lot of kissing and a lot of yapping combined it was and you can tell too because then other people would come in we just get straight into it and it'd be fine but for her and i i don't know what it was but there was this awkward block a lot of the time but it was like i don't know she's the cutest person ever so it's just like the most endearing thing do you think uh the cameras played a part in that at all like if you

two would have met at a bar in LA. Do you think it would have would still be as awkward or you think it could have been like different? I don't know. Yeah. It's really hard to to fathom that just because that wasn't how it worked out. I don't know. Even with the cameras there, like she was still all over like our first conversation where we sat down. She's like, yeah, do it in your armpit. And I'm like, yeah, yeah. Oh, I know. And then she's like, it's still. there I would be like damn well you hate me now you actually hate me okay so you basically

you know like Alex just isn't working out like you guys just aren't compatible or maybe there's just not that like romantic spark so when that ends where is your head at um and do we because you get her who is the roses first

the girls the girls and you do get me one then I give her one and then the let's be friends conversation happened that following night after the first row ceremony okay so but when you gave her when you gave her the rose your rose yes did you kind of already know it was like don't think this is going to work or were you still hopeful at that time I think I was still hopeful you know I was like maybe this awkward tension will go away at some point yeah because we did have a lot of fun when we sat together and just hung out And I was like, I don't know if I really feel it with anybody else here.

So I want to give this the best shot that I can. So when I gave it to her, again, yeah, still super hopeful. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her.

Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him?

Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytouch. podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, West West, Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcasts. You already know our get-down. If you grew up in our urban areas of comfort of struggle, you understand politics much more than you giving credit for.

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Make sure to listen to Spolitics on the ice. Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. On that first day when you got down there, was there anyone besides Alex, then we see you kind of talk to Kat that you were interested in? Yeah. I mean, Kat, I was attracted to off the jump. You know, she's stunning. And we had great conversations.

You know, I don't think a lot of the conversations we had were shown. but we had really good banter we had a really good just easy conversation um but i also knew from the jump when dale was walking down it was i was standing next to her and we're having a conversation dale comes in and all i hear is oh my god dale and she's like freaking out and i go nope that's it for me i'm i'm so good like dale is six five beautiful light skin man i'm like we're we are different individuals he's 36 i am 28 like she's this excited about this man like I'm I'm good like this is no longer going to be a there's no triangle here this is a line and I'm looking at their line from a distance so I was like

cat and I are not going to happen like I'm not I'm not concerned about that but it's fine so like after that moment too I was like okay I know cats not in it and I also don't you know I don't want to be like a second choice you know I had gone through that on gen season I was like I'm good. And not in a negative way. Like I just was like in my mind, I knew. I was like, okay, that's fine. And then outside of that, like, not really.

You're basically in a rough spot because it's like, you're just really not that into anyone else. Do you think Andrew Spencer coming down also played a role in the breakup between you and Alex? No. Yeah. Yeah. It didn't really seem like it. I was just curious. No, no, if anything, it solidified the feelings that she had presented.

You know, I'm watching her hang out with him and I'm hearing the way she's talking about it because her and I still were like immediate friends. Like she friends owned me and I was, I don't know, I'm not a spiteful person. Like I'm like, okay, that's completely fine. I get it. Like no hard feelings. But I still just enjoyed spending time with her. So we still remain friends.

And the way she would talk about Andrew and the way she just like looked at him and the way If they just had that immediately, I go, we didn't have that. And I'm so happy for you that you do. And it made everything make sense rather than the opposite where I'm like, oh, that sucks. It was, no, I was like perfect. Like she's. Yeah. If anything, I wonder if like that kind of spark she had with Andrew maybe just made

it clear that your guys' relationship was really rooted in a friendship. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. And that could have been what happened in her head as well. and getting to see it like it just made the whole picture just clicked together okay so then there's there's jill yep jill comes down what that's how does that go well you know i think going into it i had met jill previously once before and in my mind i'm like oh i see her as just a friend yeah

but I knew when she had come down, you know, she came down and she was really, she was nervous about being there, but also like excited, like as you get. And she just didn't have a connection with anybody. And I was like, she came down, sat next to me and she started crying. I was like, hey, I encourage you to go talk to other people. You know, I want to see you find a connection with somebody. And if not, I'll go on the date with you as friends and we'll have a great time regardless. And then we go on the date. And, we had a lot of fun you know we had a game that was prompt like it was a prompted game where it's like kiss a body part while you're playing twister it's like adult twist um so i'm like well we're adults like

we can kiss in the mouth and it's fine like whatever um we do cool we have fun um get back to to what we're doing and then at the night of that next rose ceremony and this is probably where i misspoke a little bit as well on my end as i was like hey like you made my decision a little bit harder you know And in my mind, without over explaining, I was like harder to choose Alex because her and I just had an amazing conversation, like deep. It was just flowed super easily. And I was like, I know I still want to give it to Alex. But she did make my decision harder because now I have this to think about of like,

hey, it's not that easy. But in my mind, I'm like, we're still friends. So like, it's okay. Yeah. And I could totally see how the miscommunication happened there because I could see how Jill took it. but I could also see how you meant it of more like, oh, not in a romantic way, but you've developed like care for this person.

You spent time with them. And like she's hoping for a rose from you and you're unfortunately going to have to like give it to someone else and know that you're like letting her down, which also probably sucked. Yeah. Yeah, I did. And then by the circumstances that presented themselves to us

with Justin Lexi and Susie, she stays and you know i i think after that conversation and again slight miscommunication you know she's hopeful now um in my mind you know i'm still in this like friend mindset yeah um and i feel like when you get when you're in that mindset it's almost impossible to the break especially in this environment where you're like okay you can see the thing switch for somebody else but it's like it's a friend so you want to let them down and the best easiest way possible you don't want to just be like no get out of my face like that's that's not me it's first of all it's mean and nobody should I don't need to bring other people down to like

feel better about a situation um and then I I re-explain pretty much all we just talked about but to her so like the confusion wasn't there and then during that she's like but you said this and that and I was like I understand where you're coming from and then I just just tried to explain my side and I just wanted to be heard in the moment you know it was the hard part because I was like hey I know I get it like I see where I messed up and I'm so sorry and I tried to apologize twice and then all I wanted to do is just share share my thoughts and opinions and as soon as it like didn't feel as if I was like being heard or even like allowed to have an opinion on the matter I started to get a little defensive and I got emotional and I was sad and I was like damn like I'm just

trying to like be a good person here yeah just i think i think i needed to be the asshole in the moment and just like let it go like you know i feel like in my opinion in the paradise situation that's so expedited you almost have to be like pretty cutthroat with everything you do down there yeah you do and again i learned that the hard way yeah um but that's just not me like i don't like to be cutthroat with people. I don't want to like tell somebody like, no, I'm not interested in you get out of my face. But you, but you kind of have to. Like instantly is like as soon as they start talking, you have to just like not going to happen. Well, you have a different approach on and off television. But I can understand what you're saying in the sense that you seem to

pride yourself on being a nice person. You are a nice person and you didn't want her to leave that conversation thinking that you were an asshole. Unfortunately, I needed to be in that. You needed to let her think you were an asshole in that moment yeah and then that's that's where the it kept just kind of like bestering on and it's like dude you should just accepted that in her eyes you were an asshole that night and just let it be and if i just did that then we would have had no weird problem there would have been no defensive energy on my end and we would have moved on fine because the next day her and i were good and even before that conversation her and i were standing there next to each other we were good um it was literally just that conversation that

was just like tough. Yeah, I just felt like you guys were stuck in a loop for way too long. Way too long. And I kept repeating myself and it just was not like at no point in it was it mean or anything. Like there was no mean words exchanged. She cut me off a little bit. But like it is what it is like it. Yeah.

Yeah, it became a heat of conversation. Yeah. Well, yeah. Outside commentary didn't help either. Watching it back, people are like, like, oh, get the pop. We're like, we're, and it made it seem like it was a huge deal. And we're like, I didn't, I didn't know all that was going on, but you caught up in the moment. But then moving forward from that, you and Jill moved forward as friends in a good place.

Yeah, we were fine. I don't know if we were great anymore after that, but we were, we were fine. Friendly. Yeah. Friendly enough. We were friendly enough. We still crack jokes at one another here and there. Like, we ended up becoming okay.

Okay. so now we roll into this current week and you're kind of solo at this point what is you know if I were you it's it's seen and it seemed that way from like your demeanor was kind of like yeah like I'm just going to enjoy the rest of this time here but I'm going home like I'm not going to get a rose yeah at least that's what it seems like is there anyone that you're hoping potentially gets dropped on the beach like is there any girl that you know from from the bachelor franchise that you're like if this girl gets dropped maybe i have a chance gets dropped that i have a chance no i know there was and it's it's a crazy ordeal i think

of the women that i've seen that i'm attracted to you know i think mercedes is absolutely beautiful i don't know if you know she yeah you know she is um i think dina from grant season is beautiful too um well she could have been dina could have been dina could have definitely been there. Yeah. 100%. But other than that, like, you know, looking back on it,

I was like, I don't know. Right. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast,

so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, him, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against

school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet.

So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the I heart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, West West, Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcasts. You already know our get-down.

If you grew up in our urban areas of comfort of struggle, you understand politics much more than you giving credit for. Feds taking over American cities, government hop-out boys, hopping out the van, snatching up your Theo and them, two wars that was supposed to be solved in 24 hours. Jerry just out here mandering all over the place. The turfs.

And of course, the Epstein of it all. Well, this week, we decided to shoot our shot, and boy, did we pull up from the logo, to see if we could get somebody to come tap in with us. And the one and only Jamil Hill pulled up from this politics podcast to keep it a whole century. In America, what sells in politics are narratives and storylines. It's like we treat politics like we treat sports, which is part of the reason why we're in the situation we're in right now. Listen to the hood politics with prop podcasts on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Eumanzoor. And I'm Drew Phillips.

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episode of politics, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries joins me for a candid conversation about the state of the Democratic Party. What do Republicans say to you privately that they won't say publicly? Many of them are in fear of their political lives. And that's been part of the challenge. But we continue to say to them, you were elected to defend your constituents, to stand up for your constituents. And there's life after Congress. And you you should be willing to actually want to be able to look back on your time in the House of Representatives knowing that you can keep your head held high because you did the right thing. Donald Trump is gone in three and a half years, but their legacy or their failure to stand

up to the extremism and the unprecedented assault on America as we know it will be with them forever. Make sure to listen to Spolitics on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. So you're looking at your options. We're like two hours till the rose ceremony. And we see there's a riff with Cat and Dale that you're kind of like, let me, maybe I can wiggle Mayway in here.

And then you've got some of the goldens. April in particular. Paying you some special attention. At that point, like, I genuinely wanted to like go home. which is insane like after my conversation with jill like i went back to my room and i literally cried by myself and i was like i just i just want to go home like nobody's for me anymore it's it's time for me to leave um and then i didn't realize that the opportunity with cat was even there like i wasn't trying for cat's rose i wasn't trying for april's rose i just wanted

to enjoy my last night with the people i enjoy spending time with and like i said cat and i became friends and we had great banter and we had great conversations. I was just trying to be there through a difficult situation with Dale. It did seem like you were kind of sliding in on cattle of it though. I mean, you did walk over with two glasses of champagne and you're roseless and you have expressed interest in her. I mean, I'm assuming you wouldn't have turned down her rose if things went that way. No, I wouldn't have turned it down by any means. But it also wasn't like something I was vying for like I said like when I saw the way she reacted to Dale being there I was like I'm okay you know so like this moving forward like this is literally just

she was there and I wanted to make sure she was okay like it wasn't anything deeper than that if she got like if her fight with dell was relationship ending at that point and you did get her rose do you think there was anything there romantically would you have or would it have just strictly been like platonic friendship at that point or would you have tried to see where things would go with cat i think i would have been open-minded about it but again like i don't know i don't know i don't know Yeah, it's hard to like think back on because I'm like in my mind like again, I wouldn't want to be the second choice. It's like, oh, you had to find out that that didn't work to realize that you wanted to be with me. Yeah. And that's just like not a position I wanted to put myself in.

No, but in the same breath, it is also like I agree with you. Like no one wants to be like, oh, I want to be second choice. But in this simulation, it is kind of could be part of it. like second choices could actually work out because everything is so expedited and people sometimes just react and go one way and don't realize like hey like maybe this person is actually maybe my person was actually Jonathan not Dale yeah but I don't know yeah I guess maybe I just wouldn't open open minded yeah it was one of those things where she was reassuring the fact like hey I actually do really really like you and I know you wouldn't do whatever to me like you like you Like, then sure. I mean, but. Okay, so then, so April, now were you, you look truly shocked. Were you truly shocked?

I was truly shocked watching. I'm going to be so honest. Oh, see, I thought watching it, I was like, April's definitely going to give Jonathan the rose. I didn't. And I, well, A, I didn't know if goldens were allowed to give roses to non-goldens. It was very unclear. And I just kind of assumed that probably wasn't a thing that was going to happen at least this early on. and she made out with Jack so I was like you know that seems like a thing that's going on

and honestly I just I was like Jonathan gave it like a 10 out of 10 effort but I think he's going home yeah well the thing was is I didn't even try with April like I wasn't trying for a rose that night of the rose ceremony Leslie had came and pulled me for a chat and she was like hey like can we talk and I was like it was random like yeah yeah I guess so we have a super nice chat she's being like super reassuring being super sweet and I'm like oh this is nice like whatever she's like oh you think you're gonna go for anyone I'm like no tonight's my night like I'm going home and I'm just trying to enjoy it the best that I can did that our conversation ends it was really sweet it was everything I needed in that moment too and then April also comes

and pulls me for a chat and she's like hey how's your night going like leslie like filled me in on blah blah blah um how you feeling how you doing and pretty much repeated the same thing i was like i know it's going to be my last night like i'm just enjoying my time with everybody having a good time um i don't think anybody here is for me and she's like i don't know how nobody here is like pursuing you like you seem like a catch and i'm like i think it's a it's a it's a balancing like I don't think I'm pursuing people because I may not be interested in somebody and I think vice versa. You know, it's not like a this side or this side kind of thing. Yeah, your person just wasn't there. It's not just not there. It's just not there for me. It's not, it has nothing

to do with the girls here and not being into me. I think it's a mixed thing. Like, they're not going to pursue somebody that they feel is not into them back, you know? Yeah. And I was just like, no, like it's just, it is what it is. Like, I don't think my person's here. And she's like, well like if I was younger like I would go for you blah blah blah and just being so sweet so reassuring about it all and then we move on with our night and I'm like damn that was really nice of her like she was she was great and then I just have fun I hang out with the guys I hang out with the girls having drinks having a good time I'm assuming I'm going home but at the time rose ceremony happens you know everybody our age gets a rose and I'm like I'm smiling like

an idiot because I'm just happy for my friends I'm like yes like everybody's good like they all seem like they're in a relatively good place. And I'm watching the Goldens again, just smiling because it's their first row ceremony, too. And then she calls my name, and I'm like, me? She's like, you? And I'm like, no, no, no. Not me. And she's like, my bag's packed in my room.

Literally. My bag was packed. I was so ready. And calls me down. and I'm like no way and she's just saying all these like really nice sweet things and for somebody who was in a really anxious

spot during filming like it was just like the kindest moment and I keep telling anybody that asked me like what was it like having the gold zone like the golden saved paradise for me you know I was in such an anxious place like the weight of the world and my shoulders coming in you know like there's a lot of positive energy

behind me going into it but like with that I put a lot of pressure on myself to be a certain way to act a certain way and to like find somebody and give it like a real shot that in doing so I didn't act like myself

throughout a lot of it and it's a really hard thing to watch back when you're not in like your best place you know like when I was in Bachelor I was in an amazing mood I was having a great time it was just a new experience and then I come on this

and I'm watching it back I'm like wow you were really just like in your head and you know having to watch yourself back go through those moments is like really really tough i also think it's hard too because you did know so far in advance that it was just it was such a large long buildup yeah to where it's kind of it's it's almost difficult not to be i totally agree i feel like it's like a blessing and a curse to know that far in advance like joe found out his first season like the day before that he was going

yeah like legit the day before yeah and like i feel like that's almost you don't have any time to visualize what it's going to be like to like daydream about best and worst case scenarios to like build your hopes up to get anxious and then you have all this expectation of pressure when you get down there that's got to feel really difficult yeah and it was and that was also part of the reason I got I told you I cried when Hakeem left because I was like I know how I would have felt going home after waiting that long because he got asked what for you after me yeah right after you yeah yeah like that was hard to like watch i knew where he was at i knew he was going through it too and it's just yeah yeah it was tough very um okay so now you you know

in your head you're you're going home you're not getting a rose you get a rose and this rose basically means now your hair for an hour two weeks like you're not even because now you have yeah because now you have the pot yeah so now you have the you have the you have the you have the you have the rows so you're at least staying another full full row ceremony two and yeah i guess just like it's like you get a you get a second chance what are you thinking my second thought is i hope to god somebody that i could date comes down yeah yeah well we see leah comes down had you met her before uh i have met lea before laya before I were actually friends before the show which no way yeah before you both went on you knew each

other yes we'd hung out before before before the bachelor franchise in oh no no no no before before paradise oh okay okay sorry oh no no you guys go way back yeah no no I knew that's not what you know um I'm assuming you met just because you're both out in L.A same circles of people yeah out of L.A different events um I thought she was hilarious so we would just we hung out It was never one-on-one hangouts, but we hung out in group settings multiple times, and she was great. So you're the only guy at that point that would even say yes to a date? No, Ann Hachan. Oh, Hot-Shan, yeah.

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