Bachelor Happy Hour - Josh & Conrad: Taylor Frankie Paul's Inner Circle and Improving Sperm! | Happy Hour

Episode Date: April 14, 2026

Today on “Happy Hour,” Charity and Rachel are sitting down with two of Taylor Frankie Paul’s men: Josh and Conrad! We kick things off with Josh, a sweet man from Utah whose first introduction to Taylor was long before her reality TV debut. Josh is giving us the rundown on his life in Utah, growing up alongside Taylor and her family. Then, we chat with Conrad—from a Stanford football star to a startup founder with a mission to improve men’s sperm, Conrad has lots to share with us today! Tune in now so you can get to know these fantastic men, and be sure to subscribe. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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All right, Rachel, we have another guest with us. today, 28-year-old sales manager from Provo, Utah. Everybody, welcome Josh to Bachelor Happy Hour. Hi, Josh. Hey, guys. Super excited to be here. You guys are awesome. Josh, I love the New York hat.

Sorry, I had to throw that in there really quick. Period. It's always looking clean, you know. It just fits to fit and it just looks good. That's what I'm trying to go for, simple, you know. We are, yeah, so excited to have you here. Are we going to talk all the things today? But first of all, how are you feeling?

I am always in a mix of emotions, you know? Lots of great women in my life. My mom runs my whole life and I love her to pieces. Love that. God's super good. And there's just too many blessings, honestly, that to put them all together, it's overwhelming. It's stressful, but in so many.

in good ways. So lots of good. Yeah. Glad you're keeping in good spirits. It's definitely a crazy time, not really knowing what's happening right now. But let's get into your journey and how you came to find the Bachelorette. Yeah. It's a, it was a fun time coming around. You know, I actually applied for the show as a fan. I did. I applied too. Oh my gosh, four years ago. Yeah. I was just a baby, though. Oh, my God. 24. Yeah, you were young. I just was a little baby and I was looking. I had always seen the show. I was like, wow, like, I would love to be on that one day and find love and show people that it's possible and that it's real.

And so I applied. I was able to go out to L.A. It was so cool. And they were like, hey, not the right time. Talk to us again in the future. And fast forward to 2025. and one of my friends saw that Taylor was going to be on The Bachelorette. And they sent in the application being like, this is the best dude ever. And I got a phone call, which led to me being on the show. And it just was, oh, man, it was quite the journey. And definitely something that I've seen it from a young age. And I've always loved it.

Always loved the show. Yeah. Well, speaking of Taylor, did you know that she was going to be the Bachelorette before? Or was that confirmed as you were going through the casting process? It was, I think it was right before. Yeah. She was announced and I saw it and I was like, well, that's surreal. And I think within a day or two, hey, Josh, I know you know her.

Do you want to have a conversation? And I was like, let's do this, please. Okay. You have to now expand on that because I'm so curious. Yes. I like, you guys are running in similar circles. like, I don't know, family friends. How does, how does that work?

Like, tell us. I don't know. I think we should just tease it a little longer, hold it out on everyone. No, but no. We got to know. I know. Oh, man.

It, uh, we go way back. Uh, I actually grew up with Taylor's family. I went to school with them, played sports with some of her cousins. We've been in contact for, oh, man, it's been almost not 20 years, but like 15 plus. Like childhood friends. Wow. Yes.

Oh my gosh. High school and schools. I've like, her mom has driven me to some of their family parties. Like we have like been. You've been in her mom's car? I have been in her mom's car. Whoa.

Wait. So you guys went to high school together. That's how you know her? We did go. I think we ended up going to different high schools because I think she and her family ended up moving closer to when she was finishing high school. And we've got a little bit of an age gap. But I was really good friends with her younger sister and her cousins. So we definitely swim in the same circles. But I mean, she had a kid and was married at first. And so our

circles got a little bit bigger. So we were still intertwined, followed each other, swiped up on the stories every once in a while kind of stuff, but never had an opportunity to really pursue anything until now. Wow. This is crazy. So did you hang out with her sister and cousin more? I'm so curious.

I love the drama. Oh, it's, my life is full of it. Tell me all about it. Yeah, we're here. This is the moment to spill. All right. Well, if we come in close,

we listen about this one. I, there's rumors that float around and I'll put those to ease. I've never been engaged to you or married, her younger sister, Aspen, but we did. Engaged to her married. Never, that was never anywhere close to the extent.

Was that on the table? That, that, no, was not. We were both, okay. We were boyfriend and girlfriend, me and her younger sister. Okay, you guys did date. Okay. For, I think, two whole days. Oh, okay. So not really. Was this in grade school?

Not at all. Yeah, we were sixth graders. I think we were 12 years old. Oh, yeah, yeah. Four little kids. We passed the last. little note to each other. Will you be my girlfriend? Will you be my boyfriend? Yes or no? Yes or no.

I can't. And that's the history made itself. So we just stayed best friends forever. And that was pretty much the extent that it wasn't anything anywhere drastic. But really good friends always support each other over the years through her growth on like Taylor's growth on TikTok. I mean, during COVID, we talked a lot during that time because she was jumping in the mix of TikTok. and I helped a lot of people kind of catch some steam there. And so she was asking for tips and tricks.

And we connected. We made some fun little fake pregnancy videos on there to just, you know, catch the public's eye. And then it was great, you know. Wait, you and Taylor made TikToks about her being pregnant or you and Aspen? You and Aspen. Me and Taylor. Oh.

Yeah. Me and Taylor. Loar is so deep. So crazy. idea. Wait, so you and Taylor were already making TikToks before you stepped into the mansion. Yes. Yeah, we were like duetting each other's TikToks. We were like, we had been talking a lot. So prior to the mansion, tons of story swipes, tons of Instagram conversations about her kids and her family and how she was doing or spiritual growth that she's had. I feel like she's, girls gone through a lot. And I mean,

teach of us. I mean, we all do. Life's not easy. And so we were able to connect on a lot of different things that were just subtle and simple over the years. And, you know, I'm definitely somewhat of integrity. And I knew that for a while there, she was married to a really great guy. And so there was no intent or anything like that and that application of pursuance. But when the door was opened and she was open to it, that's where opportunity had the opportunity to strike. And here we are. Amazing. This is crazy. Oh, the lore is just beginning.

Oh my gosh. I know. I'm like, because I have another question. I feel like we're barely brushing this surface right now. Yes. Josh, did you reach out to Aspen when you figured out that you got casted on Taylor's season? You know, I didn't reach out to Aspen, but I did reach out to one of her other cousins that I'm like really close to that I always played basketball with.

And he was like, dude. Do you know that that's my cousin? And I was like, yeah, dude. And he was like, oh, he's like, oh, wait, wait. So like, you have serious intent. And I was like, 100%. And he was like, oh, sweet, dude. He's like, I can't.

I fully support it. And so it was nice to have the blessing there. It was nice to know that her moms loved me in the past. And so it was like, you know what? This could be really good. So I'm excited for what the chance is here. So. Oh, my gosh.

Did you feel like going in that you were at an investment? in a way that you already kind of knew her. And like did the guys kind of like pick up on that? Like without giving us too much. I definitely went into the mansion 100% being like, I have an advantage. I know it. I don't care if I'm the bad guy because I'm,

I'm here for Taylor and there's no other intent. She has gone through it. And more than any other guy here, I had seen her family, her friends, her journey through years and years and years of friendship. What a better place to start a lifelong, happy relationship where we could finally actually meet in person, get to know each other, and see if we had that chemistry. And I mean, clearly I had it with her family and her friends and things were great that way.

So how much easier of a start to a relationship can you get than just already being a best friend with someone. I mean, that's, that's the dream. The foundation for sure. Did any of the other guys in the house, like, since that you and Taylor had like some history or did you like talk about it openly or they like picked up on it? Like, how was that dynamic? They picked up on it because I wasn't afraid to even be open about it to share on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You told them. I mean, just, you know, it was an opportunity to be like, hey, you guys can, hate me all you want because your guys' feelings can get all the mix you need because I just am here for Taylor.

And the more I can talk about her and the more that I can like let her talk for herself and have that chemistry, I didn't care what look about anyone else. Dude, those guys are my friends forever. I love them. And those dudes are so cool. Seriously, incredible group of guys. But at the same time, I had no fear in being able to say, oh, yeah, like she's from Utah. and yeah, she's a member of the church of Jesus Christ, Saturday Saints.

Oh, what is that? Oh, I'm one myself. I can tell you about it. And it was really easy to just, you know what? I grew up with her family and her friends. And yeah, I can tell you this a little bit about her. I think some of the guys, it's, I thought it was such a cool opportunity, regardless of whether I grew up in Utah around Taylor or not,

to know who I had the chance of pursuing prior. How cool is it that I could, let me look them up. me see what they're posting what my my brother has this nine uh he calls it the nine squares rule where when you what is that someone's instagram and you look at those first nine squares that's enough to tell you about someone and oh wow i've never heard of this i'm like let me go that i'm looking at mine yes and so he pulled up tailors we did it in that moment we pulled it up and the pictures were about jesus christ they were about her kids they were about her growth and her struggles but also her platform and what she was trying to do.

And he was like, that's exactly what you want to see. And I was like, awesome. And so, I mean, my older brother is like, he is like my father figure in my life. So to get his blessing on that with that nine square rule, I was like, let's send this. Let's go. But yeah, definitely, I mean, just in regards to your question about the guys in the house, I had no fear in letting him know that I definitely had an upper hand. And we already had a bond that was going to like,

be pretty cool to battle against the other guys on just me and Taylor, you know? I feel like I would like, I don't know how I would personally take it as a contestant. I would probably be like, I would see you. It's like, did the guy see you as a threat? Like, you know, it's like you came in with this advantage. But like, did you ever think of like, oh, the guy, like, obviously you did not care because she was like, I'm going to share anyway. But I feel like, you know, most people are probably also conscious of like, oh, how am I

going to be perceived after like sharing this big because that's like that's like big and bachelor role like knowing the lead before or having some sort of history that's like significant no I definitely had guys that were like enough enough enough enough like I don't want to hear Taylor from you I want to get to know Taylor myself and uh I mean that's that's totally fine uh but you know yeah Josh You said that you said that you are a fan of the show. So historically, when people come in and there's a bit of a target on their back, sometimes it might not be a great thing for them. Were you conscious of that at all?

You know, I feel like when you're just like in it for the right reasons and when you really care about someone, especially in this moment where there's so much new and such a really cool environment to be able to have so. much romance all in one, the blinders are on. And I don't, if there's a target on my back, so be it, you know. But if it's meant to be, I'm, I'm here for my Disney princess. I'm here for my Disney story. He was locked in. Josh was locked in. Josh said, I'm pulling up. I'm sweeping her off her feet and you guys. See you later, fellas. See you later.

Oh my gosh. I love that. This is so crazy. Yeah, Cher, you got, I do, I do want to ask, no, same. I'm like, there's so much happening. But you mentioned a lot in, you know, in the previous questions, you just answered a lot about faith. And so I'm curious, like, how important that is in regards to your relationship. How was that with, you know, navigating The Bachelorette and Taylor? Did that come up a lot, like conversations about faith? Yeah.

Yeah. My faith is super important to me, and that's all on Jesus Christ. I just don't think that there's any point to life besides just being grateful for him each and every day. I am by no means perfect. I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterty Saints or Mormon. There's a lot of different nicknames. I am by no means a perfect member or representation of the church at all, but I do strive to be a good, member of the church or just someone that follows Jesus Christ. That's what I care the most about.

And so I'm not great at reading my scriptures every day, but I darn too and keep trying. I'm not great at remembering to always say my prayers. But at the same time, someone like Taylor was a really angelic reminder to get on my knees and thank Heavenly Father and God for just a really cool opportunity. And it's so, so impactful to my life. I have had so many things that I've gone through. I've watched my mom go through a lot. I've watched family members and friends. Heck,

Taylor's gone through a lot. And it's just the piece of grace and the piece of hope that always keeps everything on the optimistic, happy side of things for me. Yeah. That even though things might be going wrong, that there's a bigger picture to all of this.

And that's what keeps me happy and upbeat. And always going. There's always wrong. There's always bad. but I'm not here to watch the news and to see all the bad stuff. I'm here to like, let me hear more good. Like, let's hear and let's find it. And it's really fun to try to strive to find a conversation about God each day with friends or family or a stranger or to do an active service or to remember to free my scriptures or pray.

Those things are so important to me. I'm not perfect about it, but I love it through and through. Yeah. Absolutely. So this is a podcast about video games. Kind of. It's also about friendship. Definitely.

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Well, I don't know how much most folks know about Utah, but I've got to say, I know it's not completely members of the church here, but it feels like it. So dating here is definitely, it's just you could, you can close your eyes and throw a pen and you for sure be dating a member of the church. Like you just, that's just what it is. Oh. But I've had my fair share of, I've had some of the most Christian and wholesome relationships with people that are long distance. Like this girl I dated in Colorado years back was not a member of the church or the same faith,

but she was Christian. and oh my gosh we had probably one of the most Christian and wholesome relationships I've ever been in and so dating here can feel like I feel like being someone that lives in you thoroughly is just like my bread and butter is being here in Utah dating here is its own unique thing and it's got its nuances of like there's a lot more hypocrisy I'd say within the church because it's easy to see and judge members of like, oh, you're doing this right, you're not doing this right. Like, and it's my way or the highway.

There's a lot of that. But at the same time, it is a really cool culture being around so many members of the church that share similar values. Like, we don't have, like, most stores are closed on Sundays. Or we don't have, like, drive-through places where you can pick up alcohol. Like, when I lived in Ohio, that was very normal. Like, you could drive through and just pick up alcohol or cigarettes. Here, everyone picks up their diet Coke.

And they're done. I know. Dirty Dr. Pepper. Yes. And so you got your dry-through soda bars. I mean, we even have one here by work. And so what's your Swig order? I was going to ask. Texas tab, easy answer.

What is that? Tell me what that is. Okay, Dr. Pepper. You know what's in it? I'm going to, don't embarrass me, but like, I don't even know what's in it. It's just so good. That's just, that's just sure order. Is it you go to Swig and I say Texas Tab, they give me this humongous 48 ounces.

of soda. A dream. I want that right now. Oh, Dr. Pepper and Coconut cream. That's my thing. Oh, I would love that one. I love it. I had a swig. I know. I know. Can we AI put it in here? Just I know. I wish I had one too. Okay. Well, this has been so good. So crazy. We hope to see more of you and more of your story with Taylor. But before we go, we are going to play a little game. Is that okay with you? Oh, I'm competitive. Are you guys ready for this? Well, this is about you.

Yeah, it's like you was solo, so low, so low shot. So I'm going to win. So we're good. You're going to win. You're good. It's called hot scenes. So basically it's just like rapid fire prompts just to get us to know your personality, answer as truthfully as you can. So it's very easy. We'll have some fun with that. Sounds like some fun. I like this. Okay. So Josh. I'm a little unfiltered. So this little unfiltered. So this will It's going to be fun. No, that's great. That's what we want.

Perfect. Yeah. You casually mentioned dating your step sister. What is the full story on that? Dated her prior to her being my step sister, luckily. And then when my parents got divorced, my dad invited me to a surprise dinner where he said, hey, guess what? I'm engaged. I'm going to get married to the mother of your ex-girlfriend.

You know what that gives? It's giving. Serena and Dan from gossip girl. I'm like, you were a lonely boy. You're Dan. You're Dan. Wait, that's so true. I'm like, you actually are him. Like, you kind of look like him too.

Oh my, what's going on? But that's like Serena and Dan. Oh, my goodness. This happened after the relationship. So we're all clear on that front. That is crazy. We are safe. In the clear.

Oh, wow. My step sister is my ex-girlfriend. That is real life. Wow. That is crazy. began to feel like what you had to like process but I would I would still be processed oh no yeah it's it's still it's a daily life Christmas dinners avoid the Christmas dinners very awkward oh no that's crazy okay talk to us about being a Disney adult any great Disneyland hacks that you want to drop here I too was accused of being a Disney adult I am a Disney adult so honestly put the Disney ears on I embrace it at this point I love it I just are you kids me like tangled or like Bell from like Beauty and the Beast like oh the love stories oh they're so

magical and they are so real they're so real this is so cute I know they're such a good balance and they're so much fun to watch I love the happy ending I love that it's just real and the fact that nothing's perfect but you can have your happy ending if you're willing to communicate and work for it and I oh my gosh hacks at Disneyland the only hack I can tell you is bring my mom. Holy crap. If you want to be your mom, she loves it. Oh, my gosh. It's like, you're going to make that woman the most happy girl in the whole world. She will jump up on my shoulders. I'll run around the park. She will skip around with me. It is the best thing. Like, so I actually, her Christmas present was buying her a ticket to Disneyland. So we actually just went a couple

weeks ago for her Christmas present. So it was seriously, it was so magical. And she can get us on a ride so fast. She knows all the good food. I'm just a sucker for a good churro. I love Disneyland. And I'm putting on my budget list. Go with Josh and his mom because it sounds like you guys have it all figured out. Tattoo it on my arm. I'll go with you. It'll be fun, Richard. I'm dead. Okay. Well, our last question is, what's your dirty soda order? But we know it's a Texas tab. Yeah. You get any Anything else at Swag? Don't they have the little pretzels? I was like.

You know, they do have pretzels. They do have cookies. Like the other day, they had a 15-year anniversary. And so they gave out these, like, fanfetti cake cookies. Birthday cake. Help me. I'm a sucker for dessert. So, the Dr. Pepper.

Ooh, I just love it. Dr. Pepper. Or a half-carbonated rock, like, Red Bull. Oh, I love Red Bulls. What's half-carbinated? They serve that. What is a half-carbonated? half carbonated. Oh, that's how they're served. Like Red Bull only half carbonates. That's like nerd knowledge.

This is how bad I am. Okay. Yeah. I was like clearly I'm like I'm not, I'm not knowing something. I'm showing myself. I didn't know that. No, but they're so, oh, I red bulls, they're dangerous. They just need to take the caffeine out and I'll just drink them all day without the caffeine. I feel I'm the only one in the world that does not like I don't like Red Bulls. Like I can go without. But hey, listen, I love that you love them. Thank you. Hey, I love that you love that I love it. So thank you. Yes. There we go. There we go. Oh my gosh. Josh, you have been an amazing time. We hope that we get to see more of you. Is there anything else you want to tell Bachelor Nation before we go? You know what? I would say always hold out hope. And God is so good. Yes, he is. I love that. Amen. And you guys are freaking awesome.

Thank you. Thank you. I'm like serious. I know. This is a lot. This is a lot. This is a good. This is a good. This is a good. This is a seriously a blast. You're too much. I know. We'll have to have you back. I'm like, it's just never,

it's never enough time to talk to you guys. Hey, you know, that means you're having a good time, honestly. Exactly. And your lore is very deep. Yeah.

Absolutely. We must expand it some other time. Only touched it. Exactly. Okay. Where can our listeners find you on socials? If they want to look up your TikToks with Taylor. Yeah, Instagram,

TikToks. I'll have to. find that one and repost it so everyone can enjoy enjoy the lore there uh instagram is josh dot harward h-a-r-w-a-r-r-d it's like harvard with a w and other than that i mean i have facebook i think it's the same thing i'm not on snapchat or anything like that you know i'm just uh i'm a sucker for instagram and just uh just being real you know i just i spend most of my time with my mama and my friends around me So that's where my time is usually spent. Oh, well, we love it.

Thank you so much again for being here, Josh. All right. Today's guest on Bachelor Happy Hour is 32-year-old startup, a founder from Santa Monica, California. Everybody welcome, Conrad. Hello. Hi, guys. Hi, Rachel. Hi, hi, Charity. How are you?

Thank you for having me. We are. Yes, so excited. We have so many questions, but we've been starting out the podcast, kind of seeing what you guys are feeling. It's been a crazy time. How are you feeling with everything going on right now? I'm staying positive. I think definitely a little disappointed. I think just really excited to have everyone's story get out there. I met a lot of really great guys on the show, made a lot of really great friends. And I think we're all just excited to experience something unique.

You know, it's definitely a one-of-one thing that I've never done anything before in my life. And so, yeah, a little disappointed for now, but staying positive, hoping things can come out when the time is right. Yeah. I think that's honestly all you guys can do at this point. Rachel's said it's unprecedented time. So we're just all, you know, doing our best to just kind of stay in that mindset. And you guys have done a fantastic job of that. So I just want to give you your flower. for that as well. But let's go back to the very beginning because I feel like we need to discuss how you even got to the bachelor, bachelorette in the first place. So did you apply? Did someone nominate you? Walk us through that. Yeah. So I was at a party in L.A. last summer. And I was

talking to a gal and she said, wow, you're kind of gregarious and fun. Would you ever want to be on reality TV. And I said, I don't know, I haven't really thought about it, but try everything once, right? And she said, well, I'm actually a casting director for The Bachelor. And I said, okay, well, what single man on earth would say no to that opportunity? So immediately, yes, where do I sign, obviously? And so I went through a couple of interviews for that. And then I got a call in September. and they said, hey, great news. Would you want to potentially be a suitor on the bachelorette? And I said, of course.

You know, I've older brothers, played football for 10 years, was in a fraternity. You know, I love to hang with the guys. So said absolutely. And then literally a couple weeks later, it just happened, started filming. And honestly, didn't really have a chance to think about it. And now here we are. Wow. That is a crazy story that you ran into.

someone at a party. It feels kind of like fate. Yes. So you went in. Very L.A. Very L.A. I was going to say very L.A. I was like this is so classic. So you went in not knowing who the bachelor was going to be. When you found out it was Taylor, what were your thoughts? Did you know of her? Have you seen her show? So I found out she was the Bachelorette when she went on Alex Cooper's pod, and so I listened to it. And I had no idea really who she was at the time. I can't say I'm a Secret Lives fan, but of course went on Google and saw how passionate she is, and she is definitely one of one. And I got really excited. I think life's about what you did, not what you didn't, and say yes to opportunity. And so I was really excited when,

I learned she was the Bachelorette and, yeah, liked her podcast, started learning about her. And then I just, I'm a big planner, prepper. So I wanted to make sure going in, I was prepared. And so, yeah, I was, I was excited about it. Yeah. What was your dating history like coming into all of this? Was it extensive? Were you like on a hiatus? What did that look like? I mean, all the details. Yeah. Rachel, Jr., I am, I am a girlfriend guy. Oh. I've had a, I have had a, I have had a, I have had a, partner the majority of my adult life. It actually started in third grade. I sent Kelly I a note and it said, will you be my girlfriend? And thank God for my ego, she said yes.

No. Love her boy since third grade. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Well, so through my whole adult life, I pretty much always had a girlfriend and the joke was I would only be single for three months. And then I would go and go and try to find another girlfriend and have dated a lot of really, really great girls. And in hindsight, and through therapy and things, I've definitely learned that the reason is I grew up in a very male environment. I have three older brothers, played football for 10 years, was in a fraternity, went to an all-boys high school, and I didn't get a lot of feminine reassuring energy. I didn't get a lot of good job, Conrad, or, you know, you're doing great Conrad. And so I think I sought that in a partner. And I think because of that, I really always

sought having a relationship. But I've been single now for three years. Okay. Leading up to the show, and it's really forced me to spend a lot more time by myself. Yeah. And, you know, I'll spend like Sundays by myself. I go to church every Sunday, and then I'll go and get some food. And it's taught me to really be independent and maybe love myself a little more than I did.

So I feel like I'm finally in a place where I'm ready to receive love, which I think is really important. Let me guess is your love language words of affirmation? How did you know? I am obsessed with words of affirmation. Charity knows all. She can talk to everything. All I need Charity to fall in love with someone is they just say, hey, Conrad, you're doing a great job. Oh, and then I'm in. My heart. That is so sweet. No, I get it. I do get it. So I did clock it, but yes. Yeah, that's impressive. I feel like people who have words of affirmation, that's also my love language, can we have like really like things that we relate to so I sense the words of reassurance and just being told you're you're doing great you're doing great sweetheart for the record you guys are doing

great oh perfect thank you thank you so much Conrad you mentioned going to church is faith something that is really important to you what are you looking for in a long-term partner or a wife yeah I grew up very episcopalian we went to church every Sunday I was a a church camp kid, spending time at the lake, making all my church friends. And Faith, faith was really important to me and my family. And I know Taylor, you know, grew up Mormon, and Faith has been an important part of her life. And so definitely excited to connect with her on that. And I think we also have some similarities there as well where I think she's been pretty public that she's had some qualms with the Mormon church. And, you know, for me, Episcopalianism is effectively

Catholicism without the Pope. And they take a very literal interpretation of the Bible. And I had some issues with that as I was growing up. And so, you know, I just think everyone's on their own journey. But yeah, faith is really important to me. But I've definitely kind of made it my own. I went to a Jesuit high school in downtown L.A. And so definitely a big part of who I am. And and hopefully my future. Yeah, is that something that you're also wanting your partner to be as strong in as you are? Yeah. I think I think I don't need them to be as strong as I am right now. I think I just need them to be open to it. I think a really big important thing for me and a partner is them being open to different perspectives, different religions, different ideas, different values. You know, I'm not

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And we have been joined at the hips since high school. Absolutely. Now a redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips, wider. This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. With all the snacks and drinks. Sidebar.

Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Well, they had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white collar or something here? Just take it. What are y'all doing? Microphones? Are you making a rap album?

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You played football in the NFL. You need to tell us all about this, the journey. We heard you have some pretty incredible highlights. You are so kind. Played football for 10 years. Usually I just tell girls I'm on the team because I was a kicker. So, you know, I just say, yeah, I played football and then I just stopped there. We don't need to go into the semantics of kicker.

And they're like, what quarterback? And I'm like, you know, what position? And I'm like, oh, you know, quarterback? You know, I'm kidding. I remember. Good job. A good goal. That's a lot of pressure. I appreciate you guys. Thank you for saying that. But so my journey started. I grew up. I played every sport on planet Earth. Like you could ask my mom, I was living in our front yard just playing anything with a ball nonstop. And gripling soccer. My dream was to be a quarterback. I loved watching college football with my dad every Sunday. It was our thing.

And the quarterback was on the TV the most. So I wanted to be the quarterback, obviously. Yeah, love the attention. Yeah, 10-year-old logic. And so I went to a big high school in downtown Los Angeles called Loyola High School. It's a big Jesuit sport school. And I was named the starting quarterback of Loyalist High School's freshman football team. I go home and I'm like, mom, I'm the man.

High school is going to be easy for me. And then first game, break my arm in four places. Oh, no. Oh, my God. And so I went from the cool kid to the loser on the sideline with the cast. That was injured. Yeah, exactly. And so all I could do during practice was kick.

And so I played soccer my whole life and I discovered a hidden talent that I could just naturally kick the ball far. Ended up making lemonade out of lemons and got recruited to Stanford as a kicker. Played there for five years. And then spent a year bouncing around five different NFL teams in 2017. and notably was in camp with the Kansas City Chiefs, which was very fun. Very cool. A teammate of Travis Kelsey.

I definitely remember who he is. He definitely has no idea who I am at this point. But after that, I spent a year trying to make it in the NFL, and it's not very glamorous when you are trying to make it in the NFL, when you're like a borderline player. And basically, I moved to San Francisco after I got cut from the Kansas City Chiefs, and I would work at a VR startup. In my fifth year at Stanford, I wrote a thesis in VR,

and we would use it to train. It was awesome. And then in the evenings, I'd go to Stanford and I would kick. And Rachel and Charity, I would literally like kick the ball and then walk and go get it and then walk back and then kick the ball. And I realized, yeah, and I realized, okay, I don't actually really like kicking. I really liked my teammates and being a part of something bigger than myself.

And so I think that was the start. of me being okay with not being Conrad the kicker and just being Conrad. And that started my journey into consulting. And then I went back to Stanford for business school, went back to consulting. And then now I am a startup guy. I would love to know more about the startup. Yes. We saw that on your cast bio. Yes. What an amazing company you started. Oh, thank you. So yeah. So like I mentioned, spent a lot of time in consulting, worked at McKinsey in San Francisco and then in New York. And I just am an entrepreneur.

I love starting things. I love building things. I built my own computer when I was 12. And I just really like figuring out how things work. And so started a company in men's fertility. The thesis is 50% of infertility comes from men. And actually 90% of miscarriages can now be linked to bad sperm. And so any way you cut it, like men are not.

pulling their weight in the fertility journey. And so how we frame it is, look, your partner is going to be carrying your child for nine months. Just give a third of what your partner is going to give. Give us three months. Go on our protocol, reset your sperm health. Your sperm reset every 74 days. And so that way you're putting in your best effort, you know, best foot forward for a happy, healthy conception. And there's a lot of science that shows your biomarkers right when you conceive are what's passed on to your child. So it's really important to be an optimal health. So I say, you know, eat healthy, don't drink, don't smoke.

If you're going to sauna, you know, put some ice down there on the boys, work out, get good sleep. And then supplement, right? A lot of people aren't getting what they need in their diets. Oh my gosh. I have to say this probably is the first time we've gone this in depth about sperm on Bachelor Happy Hour. But, I mean, just absolutely the knowledge is amazing.

to know because I didn't know any of that. Yeah. That's hilarious. Is this something that you're passionate about because you also want a family and children? I definitely want a big family. I grew up with three brothers, three older brothers and the youngest of four. I have a lot of cousins and nieces and nephews now. And I face time with my niece Freya every Monday.

I love that name. She's great. My oldest brother's in Amsterdam. Shout out, Freya, I love you. And I want a really big family. I think that life is about bringing friends and family together. That's why I work hard, why I want to be successful, because I want to be able to provide for, you know, the people that I love.

That's very beautiful. Very beautiful. Okay. Speaking of, I guess, kids and families, this is also, I guess, correlates a little bit. But you have been to a lot of weddings. 60 weddings? Yes. that's a lot of weddings like i don't even think i have like i can't even like a half of that

maybe i don't even know 60 people i don't think i have half that's crazy so tell us about that and why do you think that you've always been the bridesmaid but never the bride or the groom yeah yeah so this is this is great conred lore in the last three years i've been to 60 weddings and bachelor parties. I have a picture of all the invites to prove it because I, you know, it's like, there's no way, but I promise it's true. It's my cross to bear. And I, the joke is that I'm Catherine Heigel. I was going to say, this is literally 27 dresses. Yeah. So the reasoning is, you know, COVID happened, business school happened. And so COVID pushed back some weddings, right? For sure. And then business school, you're either breaking up or you're

getting married. So had a lot, I just, yeah, that's what it is. And so I had a lot of post-business school weddings. And then I also think I'm an easy invite. I've been single for three years. I'm going to be on the dance floor until midnight or until you drag me off. I'm not. You know, I'm going to show up. I really, it's really important to me to show up for my friends. And the other thing on the bachelor party front is I am a huge planner. I plan my day, plan my week, plan my month, plan my year. And I will also plan the bachelor party. And dudes, they don't want to be the ones getting the Airbnb, you know, in Austin, Texas or in Cabo. They just want to be the ones, hey, who do I Venmo and what time do I show up?

Exactly. And so I take a lot of that pressure and logistics. And so I think because of that, I'm an easy invite. Oh my gosh. I have to know, because when we were talking about this earlier, you have been to stagecoach and Coachella, how many times? I've been to stagecoach 12 times. I've been to Coachella four times. How have you gone that many times? I went one time and I was like, okay. I saw and I never have to go back. Do you love the music scene?

Where's the lore with that? Oh, there's great lore there. So it started in high school. I grew up in Pasadena and we started going when I was in high school. And then in college, had a lot of great friends. And we, with football, it just always worked in, it's always last weekend of April. It always worked that we could go. And I love country music.

More Conrad lore, my cousin owns and operates a traveling rodeo called the Flying New Rodeo. And so there's some country, yeah, there's some country this Pasadena boy. And I've just, I've always loved country music. And it just kind of kept going and going. And definitely obviously attending this year. I was going to see. I was going to go to. Oh, yeah.

You guys, you guys got to come. I'm a local at this point. I will be there. I will be there. Charity will be there. I'll be there in spirit. We'll FaceTime you in, Rachel. Yeah. I love getting to the bottom of this floor. I love it. We'll get one of these. Boots on the ground.

On your microphone. Live recording. We'll live stream it. We'll live stream it. Rachel, we'll get one of those robots where they have wheels and then you're on the picture screen and we'll just have you roll around with us. I'll roll around in the dirt. Hopefully in VIP, fingers crossed charity. That's where you are. No, Roger, you're insane for that. You're insane. Roll around the dirt. VIP. Bye. Peace. But yes, I will be at stagecoach.

It's super fun. So I can see why you love going. Yes, absolutely. I just don't know if I could ever go 12 times. But hats off to you because you might be holding a record at this point, honestly. Oh, my goodness. Speaking of craziness, I want to go back to night one. Walk us through how you were feeling, getting out of the limo.

What were the emotions? Night one, getting out of the limo is the most nervous I've ever been in life. And that is saying something because I played football for 10 years. And I played in three Rose Bowls. I'm from Pasadena. Like my dad had 200 tickets to the Rose Bowl game my senior year. I threw up before the game. And there's just nothing that compares to this experience, getting out of the limo. And I remember I'm rolling up and I get out and I'm like, right, I got to be cool, but I can't be too cool. You know, I've got to be normal, but I can't be boring. And also make sure you don't fall down when you're walking up to her. And I don't want to give anything away, but my entrance

definitely was a hat tip to these 60 weddings and bachelor parties. So I had some props with me that I had to manage. And there was a lot going on. But I think it's safe to say, most nervous I've ever been in my life, pretty much blocked out my entire conversation with Taylor. I remember that I said, I thought she was stunning, which she was. That's good. I had this whole speech memorized. I just like got through it and then did our little surprise that I had. And then afterwards, it was just like, okay, I'm still alive. We did it. Did you at least remember your name? Because I remember some guys forgot. It seems like the most important thing, but it is so overwhelming. It's really amazing how that happens.

Yeah. I actually said, you know, Hey, Taylor. I'm Conrad. And right away, she said, oh, have you seen the summer I've turned pretty? Connie baby. Oh, yeah. You know, that would have been a good entrance as well. I was going to say, yeah.

Yeah. That was definitely floated out there. But I really think you guys will like my entrance. I hope we see it. Genuinely. And how was the dynamic with the guys? Like, obviously from the talks, it seems like, you guys are all very close. And so once you guys got into the house or once you got into the

house, did you kind of sense that feeling like, oh, like, I'm going to like it here. The guys are awesome. Yeah. Just such a great group of guys, so genuine, so thoughtful. And definitely guys that I will be friends with for the rest of my life. And after, so you get on the limo, you meet Taylor, and then you're walking in. And then now there's 20 plus guys in a room. We're all, you know, they're all judging you because you're the competition. Yeah. They're just meeting you for the first time. And I roll in with, again, not to give anything away, but something that alludes to

weddings. And all the guys right away, they just go, oh, you know, looks like Taylor's already married. We don't even need to have the show. Like, this guy's got it on lock. You know, here we go with this performative guy. And right then I was like, okay, I like these guys. Oh, you love that. Oh, yeah.

I love the noise. I'm dead. I love the noise. I was in a fraternity. I played football for 10 years. I mean, I have brothers. And right then I was like, all right, these guys are going to dish it. I'm here for it. And you're ready to take it. Like the amount we have heard, I feel like it's going to be incredible to see. So hopefully we do end up seeing that. And I mean, just fingers crossed for you and for everyone. But we do want to ask if we can play a game before you go. And this game is called hot seat and we're going to ask you questions rapid fire and you're going to answer i love it i'm

in 30 do you want to take it okay yes since we're in the festival season we just kind of just talked about it but you have to choose between stagecoach or cocella stage coach period okay it's just more beer you know it's more easy vibes yeah it is way more chill you don't have to show up to the concert on time you know exactly you get to wear a cowboy hat yes i would actually very much much agree. What is the most hopeless romantic thing about you? I wear my heart on my sleeve and I think the most hopeless thing is I'm a big planner and I write a lot of letters, which you will see. Oh, so sweet. Our words of affirmation. No spoilers, but you will see on the show. And growing up with older brothers and being in a very male environment, it was harder for me to express my emotions.

And so I found that I was able to do that much more easy through letters. And so I write letters all the time. Like, hey, this is, you know, what I have learned about you. This is what I'm excited about. So I'm definitely a letter guy. Oh, my God. That's so sweet. I love.

Okay. The next one is, what's something you've learned being an Eagle Scout that you still use in your everyday life? Some more lore. It's a great question. I know. So, yeah. So I am an Eagle Scout.

All of my brothers are Eagle Scouts. And shout out to my mom. My mom was the only female troop leader of our entire, like, you know, 100-plus person troop. And if it wasn't for my mom, we would not be Eagle Scouts because you best believe she pushed us all through. And, you know, she was like, all right, it's Sunday, Conrad. You got to go and get your merit badges and get work in. And so shout out, Mom. She was incredible and great to have the female representation.

in the Scouts, which was amazing. I think the Boy Scout motto is be prepared. And I think I lived that to the fullest. I really tried to bring that to the show. And I try to bring it to my businesses. And I find if you have a plan, there's no reason to be nervous because you're just going to execute the plan. So be prepared. Right. Hello. That's a good one. Before we go, Conrad, is there anything you want to leave, Bachelor Nation with? And where can we find you on socials. Socials, everything I'm at Conrad Yukropina. Kudos if you can spell that last name correctly.

But if you type in Conrad, you, I should hopefully come up. And last thing I want to say is just one, a thank you to you too. Thank you for having me. This is awesome. You guys are doing a great job. You're so incredibly easy to talk to. I feel like we could literally talk for like 10 hours and explore the lore. and just that, you know, this experience was very, very positive.

I met so many incredible people from the producers to the people casting, to the guys, to Taylor. I was always treated with respect. And if the show airs, great. I really truly hope it does because there's a lot of really incredible guys who I think their story should be told. And if it doesn't, great. I still had an amazing experience, got to come and meet you guys here, got to meet incredible guys, got to meet incredible people behind the scenes.

And so, you know, whatever happens, staying positive. And it's just really been a positive in my life that I've been able to be a part of this. Well, thank you, Conrad. You're exactly what you just said. You're positive. Your joy. You're just happy. And we loved having you here on Bachelor Happy Hour.

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