Bachelor Happy Hour - Justin Glaze of 'The Bachelorette' Offers Apology for Resurfaced Tweets

Episode Date: July 13, 2021

Justin Glaze, best known for his iconic facial expressions on “The Bachelorette” Season 17, is offering a heartfelt apology for insensitive tweets that resurfaced from his youth. Justin opens up about the work he’s put in to learn and grow in the last decade and why it’s so important to hold ourselves accountable. Plus, Justin shares more details about his meme-worthy facial expressions. Then, Becca and Tayshia weigh in on “Operation WOWO” and share how proud they are of Katie for staying true to herself. “Bachelor Happy Hour” has exclusive interviews every week. Watch “The Bachelorette” on ABC and listen to “Bachelor Happy Hour” the next morning. Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode. See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. Welcome back, Bachelor Happy Hour listeners. Thank you for joining us on another Tuesday. Tisha, how you been, girl? Hey, I'm doing well. Still kicking over here in the city. How about you?

Oh, I'm great. I have been traveling. I am finally home in California from Minnesota and it feels so good. I've been reunited with the baby with Minow. So things are going well. I feel like each week, every time Monday rolls around, something wild goes down. But I will say this week, it was a little wild, but not as crazy as we've seen in normal episodes. Yeah, it was a lot.

But I feel like we're finally kind of like getting into this standard a little bit more calm, if you will, for this season. But I feel like that's all about to change. Well, I feel like the feelings are starting to really start to come out and show. and the tough, there's going to be some tough decisions coming up soon, obviously, you saw with Connor, but there's so much happened. Franco, drag queens, Jason and Caitlin were on the episode. So much went down. So we have a lot to talk about. Yes, let's get into it. I just have to first say, I, Tisha, when I was bachelor, they, before I, before we started filming, they asked me, what kind of dates would you want? And the only date I said that I really want,

wanted with something with drag queens because I grew up watching drag shows and Rapal's drag race and it just I just love it. I feel like it's such an art form and it's just fun. It would be such a good date and then didn't get it on my season and then Hannah Brown got it and now Katie got it and I'm just like gosh, dang it. This is all I've ever wanted. Well, it skipped me too. Okay. It skipped me too. I think can you imagine if we had a drag race out in Palm Springs. I mean, hello. Perfect place to do it. Perfect place to do it. But also,

I can't even imagine how it's hot enough in Palm Springs, but then to throw in all of the gowns and the wigs and the glit. The makeup. It might have been a lot. It might have been a lot. But it would have been so much fun. But it was honestly such a joy watching last night back and seeing Monet and Shea just, I feel like they just thrived.

around the men. It was just so pleasant. You know, I do love, I do love a good shade session when the library is open. Oh my gosh. Reading is fundamental. And I, I wish the men would have actually gone in each other a little bit more. A lot more. It's so funny. Because they open up the door to be like, okay, lay it on us. This is the shade room. How do you really feel? And the guys were so timid. And I'm not trying to say, like, let's, like, talk trash about everybody in the house. But they have a lot of opinions. They have not been shy of their opinions the entire season.

But all of a sudden, when they have a mic to their face and being like, hey, tell me how you really feel. They were like, so the roses are red, the violets are blue. I love Katie. And do you want to marry me to? Yeah, exactly. So it's just like, wait, what? I thought that we started breeding each other's hair at some point. So it was, I thought it was really fun date to spice it up and change it up.

And I mean, I'm kind of sad that they didn't just come knocking on my door after the day because I would have loved to hang out with them. But it was an interesting date. I felt like it was very awkward at times. Like, Katie was uncomfortable. Yes. It felt like kind of plain to your point. At first it started off very roses.

and we're going to be nice and do poems. But they skipped the whole point of the date. They skipped the actual shade and they weren't reading each other. It was more just like, okay, Hunter, you said this and you're doing this. And then it wasn't even comedic. Like if I was Katie, I would have been like, I wanted to be more of a roast. Like, let's have fun here. And it turned into something vastly different, which I don't think anyone was expecting.

On Claire's season, there was a roast. And it was actually a really funny. like they went in on each other but like in a classy way still and like it was comical this was far from comical yes well speaking of comedy there was something that we totally bypass at the top of the episode that we have to actually cover to because I oh boy this so enjoyable and that is Operation woo-woo and for those for anyone asking what woo-woo stands for I might get bleeped out just like the show did, but what is it? Go ahead.

Week off, whack off, correct? Correct. Week off of whacking off. So when Katie threw this out there, first of all, I think my favorite part was you and Caitlin's reaction because you were both like, oh, no more skin care? Yeah. Oh, so you don't want them to shave. Like, you don't want them to, like, put lotion on their bodies like before they see

you, like, what does that mean exactly? No self-care. Like, I was very confused. Like, don't you want them to smell good? Like, you want them to put cologne on. Like, I promise you, you want them to do their hair. Yeah. Katie had a very different idea in mind.

And it was so funny because I actually wish that they would have showed, like, how long it took for us to actually understand what she was saying. And, like, for her to, like, get it out. Because we were like, oh, do you want what? And we were just like, okay, like, we're still not grasping it. And she's like, girl, she finally told us, like, they're not allowed to whack off. Okay, I'm like, oh, my. And you heard me say my Jesus ears. But it's just so funny because it was just like,

that's what you're thinking about right now? Like, that's the last thing on my mind, although it is a funny concept to start thinking about it, not that I think about it. It's such a good concept because I don't think people realize when you're filming, I mean, you're gone for up to two plus months, right? Right.

Realistically, you, besides a makeout session with the leave, like you don't, you like, you like, really aren't hooking up with anyone like and i think for men especially like especially if they're not used to that it's kind of like this weird environment where you're like okay i need a lone time i'm an adult here but yeah but like for me it's just so funny because i guess like they are literally sitting in their rooms doing nothing so boys are just they just need to get hobbies okay go read a damn book okay we really like you know well-spoken men so maybe you should spend time doing that i don't know

But I loved how we learned real quick. Who kind of this would be difficult for? Obviously, apparently Blake takes super long showers all the time. That was so funny. Was this something you knew about him on your season? Are you kidding? No. No, not really.

I mean, granted, I mean, Blake was the one that like... Didn't he make a penis sculpture of clay? Yeah, he formed a penis with clay. I mean, I mean, people did a heart. I did a rose. Someone did a pizza. He did a penis. like obviously that should just like kind of give you an idea where Blake's mind goes a lot of

the time which is comical but like yeah I'm not really surprised that he was probably in the house mind you for about like four days and the guys already picked up on this so it's interesting Blake's got a theme honestly I will say though it kind of his energy and just like how open with the sexuality he is matches Katie so I feel I could see why it really does it would work out like we're you know obviously we sat later on when he went to surprise her just like that passion and that chemistry so i feel like they're a good fit for each other um i mean so kudos to katy or producers whoever thought of that concept i thought it was that was katy that was all katy good for her i loved it all katy also i will say this and i talked about katy a little bit last week

just have like how in awe i am of her when she handles certain situations conversations. She gets prettier to me episode by episode and not to like fix it on somebody's beauty, but I feel like as she gains her footing and just becomes more confident and comfortable with the men, she just seems like she's changing. And it's really a fun, beautiful thing to watch. I think she's just gaining like more confidence in the situation. I mean, you're walking into a room with 30 men. And as much as like they are all there for you, it's kind of a little intimidating at some point. Oh, yeah. You kind of get on yourself like, do they really find me attractive? Like, am I enough of these guys? Like, I need to do this or that, this or that. And

I think she just became more comfortable with, you know, just the unconventional process. And she just became more herself. And like, you literally see it week to week to week. You are right. She does get prettier to me in a way of like, you're just owning who you are even more than you were before. So it's just, it's a really cool transformation to watch. It is. She also, I've noticed every time she walks into the room chose goes hello she has yes she does it's always the hello we all have our taglines and our things that we say so funny and so now when i think of katie i just think of hello hello i love it i love it i can't wait to have her on next and and she better enter the podcast that way um she will she will or she'll go hello ladies that's what she used to say to

kately and i yeah she's um she's she's great um one other thing that we saw that hasn't I think happened in a while, but she did send somebody home during a one-on-one date and didn't even make it to the dinner portion. So obviously we saw Connor who, I mean, I think most people thought he was a frontrunner since day one. Like they, when he came out of the limo in that cat costume and it had all of his puns and his one-liners, they seemed to really click. And so I didn't expect Connor to go home in the fashion that he did. It was very, very much. very gut-wrenching to watch though. Like, she was still so

invested and I think wanted it to be there with him because I think she was even shocked at the I guess how it all transpired and how he, you know, went home before the dinner portion. But yeah, Connor, I mean, he, I had a soft spot in my heart for Connor. To be honest, I did too.

I mean, I feel like he just is as genuine as they come. Like, he was genuinely interested in her. He was like, I got, like, I'm dating the girl. Like, he was just like, in awe of her, but also just wanted to be that person for her. And I, it sucks because he, he even said, like, to go from like what we started at to now this, like, it's really sad.

But I also just feel like this is kind of like that week that things start to get a little bit harder for The Bachelor of Bachelorette's just because there are relationships forming. And you clearly are starting to see, like, if there is that spark, if there's not you connect on this level with these people and you are starting to I hate to say it but like compare in a way not people but like your connection yeah and um it just I'm glad she did it when she did because I think he was just growing more and more and more invested and I think leading him on to even like the rose to memory I think he deserved like the respect of being sent home like on a one-on-one so she could actually talk to him as opposed to being like sorry you're not getting a rose

tonight and he's like wait what's just happened you know so I think it was right for both of them and I feel like he was very understanding as much as it hurt. Like he kind of just, you know, he said, I understand. Yeah, he knows at the end of the day what this is and that she has to kind of prioritize different relationships and really compartmentalize what ones, you know, kind of like what box each relationship goes in and she said it herself. And I love that she had the time to have this conversation. as you were just saying, it wasn't just, oh, I'm not going to give you a rose and send you home.

Yeah. She actually had time to sit with him and explain things as much as she possibly could. And as shocking as it is, I mean, at the end of the day, he probably knew what he was getting into and that there is only going to be one person at the end of this. And if it's not him, like no one wants, I think, to be let on. But it was really hard. Like, I think one of the last things he said was, am I really that bad of a kiss or? because she- I know my heart broke when he said that. Which it's so sad because, you know, you go, as we both can attest you, go through this process and you do have stronger feelings

for somebody. And sometimes you can't even describe why. It's just you have to go off the feeling. Like, men can be perfect on paper and you can say, this is the list that I want in a partner. I want him to be X, Y, Z. But if there's that like chemistry and that passion or just that feeling that's missing, you can't force something. And that's... You can't. And you can't make it up either. And you can't expect for it just to come out of nowhere. Like, oh, I'm just going to keep going and see if it keeps coming out. Like, that's when you're like setting yourself up, you know, for failure in a why. Because it just doesn't come out of thin air, you know? And that's, I think, the tough part is Katie didn't necessarily have that. And it sounds like Connor did.

And so he was just like, where's the disconnect? What's going on here? which it's a struggle. I mean, we've all been through it as leads. And I think probably just a normal life, too, dating. Like, we've all either been that person. We've been Connor and we've been Katie. And so it's just, as you said, you can't force it.

But I will say this. You can, I can tell that the show, and I will just say the producers and the men loved Connor because they allowed him to go back and say goodbye to everybody. And that never happened. And so I'm like, they love. love this man they love him but i wonder okay so i wonder if it's a producer thing but also i think it does make a huge difference that we are on one single property the entire time um as opposed to like being like traveling and whatnot um but they've never i don't think they've ever allowed

anyone to do that they usually just take the bags and they're gone no no no they have i don't remember the name though it has happened in the past one one other time but yes i i i i agree with you. I think that they probably really, really, I don't know, Conner's a likable guy. I'm telling you right now. I've liked him since day one. So I think that, yeah, you're probably right. They just wanted him to say goodbye to the guys. I think that this hadn't happened yet on a date to where someone actually went home. And it was really new concept to the guys that you can actually go home even on a one-on-one. So I think that he kind of was sent in to also just like let them know, like, hey, we had a connection and guess what? I still went home. So just to kind of shake

it really hit the guys hard, I think. Yeah. I mean, yeah, because when you're saying this is the week where it starts to get tough, at the beginning, it's tough for the lead because you don't quite know what you're getting into. It's uncomfortable. There's a lot of pressure. Then you get into this phase in a couple of weeks where it's more fun. You start to loosen up. You get to know the men and their personalities. And it's like a little bit lighter, more easy going, if you will. And then there's always the switch halfway through. And this is what I was worrying about. There's always the point where all of a sudden you're like oh no shit this is getting real and i actually now need to really like hunker down in my head and my heart to figure out like what's going to be best for me in the

long run like what's actually going to work outside of this so well yeah as fun as it is making out it's 10 guys or 15 guys and dating them all it doesn't last forever it doesn't as much as i would love it as much as it would love for it's actually really difficult yeah it's it is it I don't want to complain. It's not as easy as it looks sometimes, people. But I think we just got to get into it. We have the man of the hour here with us. Justin, welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour. How have you been now that the season is filmed? It's airing. How's everything going for you? Yeah, it's been a roller coaster for sure, you know, getting back, trying to adjust to a normal life. I guess I was a little bit naive thinking that that would be a seamless process, but it hasn't been in a multitude of ways. But it's, it's been fun you know it's had its challenges um you know i've never really liked to sound my own voice level and seeing myself on tv so that's been interesting every monday having to hear and watch myself but um you know it's it's been uh it's been good you know just watching everything back kind of reliving the memories and you know you remember exactly where you

were as you know certain points in time and the connections and everything um you know it's weird going to the gym and people you know notice you in the grocery store where i'm completely like zoned out and somebody comes up and taps me i'm like guys, I'm just a regular person. Do I know you? I'm just touching my avocados, you know, if you want to take a picture. So it's, yeah, it's been, it's been interesting.

I love how you just say touching the avocados. I know. Oh, my gosh. Justin, we know. Okay, before we get into everything with the show and all of the fun stuff and ripe avocados, we got to address something, okay? We're just going to do it at the top of the episode to get it out there because I think for so long, oftentimes, it's easier to run from certain things and it's easier to kind of just brush things under the rug and not address them. But within this past week, some tweets have surfaced that you had posted about, I would say, a decade ago, kind of bashing the LBGT community and just not great things that, that, you know, 16-year-old Justin had put out into the universe. And so I'm a big believer.

in, I don't believe in cancel culture. I believe that to actually learn and grow and make a change in this world and just in any interaction we have with people, you can't just cancel somebody. Like, I want to give people the benefit of the doubt. And so I wanted to come here at the top of Happy Hour just to let you kind of address those tweets that came out, the mindset you were in at that point versus now. And then we can just get into it. No, I definitely appreciate that.

And I appreciate the opportunity to be here. and be able to speak on, you know, some unfortunate things that have resurfaced. You know, it's interesting as I, you know, reflect on everything that I just went through with this whole journey. You know, oftentimes people ask me, you know, what I took from it. And one of the things, one of the biggest takeaways for me was just my personal growth. And one of those things, you know, is being able to hold myself accountable, which is something that I was supposed to work that I wasn't able to do. And so, you know, I have no issue with you know, owning up and apologizing from the bottom of my heart for, you know, the really hurtful

words that I used back in 2009 or 2011, you know, you know, the last thing that I want to do is run from it, you know, that's not who I am, you know, and I just want to kind of speak from the heart and hopefully people will kind of get an understanding of where I was then or where I'm versus where I am now. And so, you know, when I look back at, you know, 14-year-old Justin, right, And I was in high school and quite frankly, I was the type of person, you know, who for whatever reason felt the need to fit in and say funny things and kind of keep up with, you know, what my peers were doing and saying, right, to get a laugh or, you know, whatever, for whatever reason. And, you know, the folks that I had associated with at the, you know, would throw around, you know, really hurtful slurs that at the time I didn't really think anything of, right? You know, the last thing that I want is for people to defend me and say, oh, it was 10, 12 years ago, you know, it's dinner, right? What I said was ignorant and hurtful then.

It's ignorant and hurtful now. I don't care if it's 5, 10, 15, 20 years ago, right? No matter how long it was, those words shouldn't have come out of my mouth. And so, you know, I'm obviously in a much different place now, you know, over a decade later as a 27-year-old. And I can look back and I'm obviously embarrassed and ashamed. of the words that I use, you know, in any context, they shouldn't come out of my mouth or on Twitter or whatever, right? They're hurtful. And over those years, you know, I know as I've matured and evolved and grown as a person, you know, I'm a totally different version of Justin than I was now,

right? And I know that those words would never come out of my mouth because I know the weight that they carry, no matter what context they're used in. And I understand how much allyship and support those groups that I offended need, right? And, and it, And it's for those reasons that over the years, you know, I've, in present state, you know, I volunteer with several, you know, community organizations that are allies for LGBT communities, diversity and inclusion, you know, advocacy for women in the workplace, you know. And, you know, this is a kind of a wake-up call to let me know that I need to continue to put that work in and continue to devote my time to these groups that need the allyship and they need to support. yeah because words can be hurtful and you know it's unfortunately i think you know 10 12 years ago whenever it was you know my my underdeveloped brain you know wasn't thinking you know how can these words you know hurt people you know later on their life you know if

they would ever resurface and yeah so you know like i said i'm i'm not making any excuses um i need to be fully held accountable for my actions and for my words and i fully understand that And I just want people to know that 14-year-old Justin, you know, I've changed immensely since then and I'm fully aware of the weight that my words carried and that we all need better and continue to put in work. Yeah. I mean, I was telling Tasha before we had you on, I remember being, I remember exactly where I was, seventh grade. I was, what, 13 to 14, I was in a choir class and one of my best friends, I'm not going to say her name on here, but one of my friends in seventh grade. I don't even remember exactly what we were talking about, but it came out of her mouth to describe something, and she said, that's so gay. And my sister was sitting next to us, and she's like, why would you say that?

Like, why would you use that phrase to describe whatever we're talking about? And at that age, I think kids are young. They don't fully know. They don't fully understand. It's just you kind of go with the times and say stupid shit. Like, we've all done that. But now looking back, I was just like, thank God. my sister was a little bit older and could call me out at, you know, call us out at such a young

age and say, like, whatever you're trying to describe right now or say isn't that. And, you know, we've just, and Tasha and I have talked about this on the podcast many times, like, words do carry so much weight, especially now in this position where you have a larger platform and people of all ages are seeing you and hearing you. So, I mean, I, I'm glad that you can take this time and have this platform to address it. But I'm also glad that it sounds like you've already taken steps to be more immersed in the community and more inclusive within the community. It's not something that I think very often we see people being called out and held accountable for certain things. And then it's like, okay, but now what do you do? Right. And this is one thing. Actually, Amber's on

here too, but one thing that I do want to call out is like when we're saying, you know, certain things like more importantly using the term gay it's not a bad thing and it shouldn't be used as something to suggest something terrible same with like you know there's so so many words we can get into but um i think it's good to have these conversations and keep this dialogue going to realize like things that get a bad connotation aren't necessarily bad and that's where our mindsets need to shift um one thing i wanted to ask you is because you know twitter i think twitter when you were younger is vastly different than what it is now as adults we just use it as a different tool um so at any point when you were casted on the bachelorette or you know even after airing did it ever cross

your mind that these tweets would resurface was it something that you ever thought about yeah no i'm glad you asked um you know after going through casting everything you know the way my parents raised me, just to always be conscious of what you put out into the universe, what you put out on the internet, because, you know, it can always follow you, right? And so after going through this, you know, I thought, you know, hey, has there been anything that I've said? And, you know, I went through, you know, my platforms and, you know, on my Instagram, like, I never cursed and I barely touch Facebook. I'm like, if anything, I need to just weed out some friends that I've got on here from, you know, I mean, you know, I didn't think anything of any posts and on Twitter.

I mean, in Twitter, it was, I feel like it was such a new thing when I was in high school that clearly my Twitter fingers, you know, went wild and said some things that, you know. But, you know, there was a few years in between up until like last week when I put out a tweet, you know, for my faces. And I was, I don't know who works faster, you know, Twitter or the kid on my face. But up until that point, you know, I really hadn't been a heavy Twitter user, so it didn't dawn on me. Like, hey, let me go back and see because, and maybe it was given my. myself too much credit because I know the type of person that I am now who would never utter those words, right? And Beck, to your point, and it's funny you mentioned, you know, I was out

not too long ago and somebody said as a reaction, oh, that's so gay. And I literally, I was like, people still say it. Why are you saying that people still say that? You know, so that's my mindset now. And it didn't cross my mind to think, hey, Justin, you were an immature, you know, insensitive teenager at one point in your life, go back and make sure that that aligns with the person that you are today, you know, and that's something that I should have done and didn't. In that moment, when that happened, I mean, because it sounds like it was pretty recent, did you feel comfortable calling that person out and saying, okay, what are you trying to actually say here?

And, okay, okay. And that's what I think is so important is to be able to have those conversations with people that you're close to, but also that you're not close to because nothing's going to change if we're never held accountable in that regard. Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, and, you know, aside from just wanting to hold myself accountable, it truly hurts me that I've hurt these communities because, you know, like I just told you with, there's so many instances where, you know, I'm around people who can be so insensitive and I, you know, I consciously try to call those people out and say, why are you saying this? What do you, what message are you actually trying to get across? Let's find a different way to say that, right? And, you know, I've got friends that I identify the LGBT community and you know it breaks my heart one of them I won't say his name but you know he'll go around and say gay blank and I said no no your name is your name is this you know we're not going to go around saying hey it's gay so-and-so you know it's yeah that doesn't

you know I feel like people in that community sometimes and and as a black man I can relate because sometimes you you build these calluses and you're so used to the microgram that perhaps as a coping mechanism, you just accept it, right, to fit in and not make people feel uncomfortable. And that hurts me, right? Because people in these underrepresented and, you know, communities that, you know, it can be that way. They need the support. They need the allyship, which is kind of what's driven me to be a part of these community groups that I devote time to. And, you know, I'm embarrassed that 14-year-old, Justin, who didn't have that mindset you know i i think if there's anything that we've learned in the past well for sure

the past year but even beyond that it's it's okay to get uncomfortable it's okay to have those conversations and that dialogue because without it we're not going to see any change or growth or acceptance and um i'm again i'm glad that you're able to recognize that and to be able to share your side of things because i think it's an unfortunate reality that a lot of people have in your position have dealt with things that you, you know, have, you know, have probably said similar things. But you can recognize where the error of your ways was and where we move on from this. And the last thing I do want to say, too, is, you know, this is such a heavy, deep conversation that, like, I could sit here for hours and talk and get into it. Obviously,

our podcast is about the show as well, so we won't get into that. But the last thing I will say, is for anyone out there who is offended or anything like anything who has seen these tweets and felt some sort of emotion being gay is beautiful and it should be celebrated being trans is beautiful and it should be celebrated and what's great about the episode that we just watched last night is it includes parts of the LGBTQ community you know we saw franco host your date Justin and we saw two incredible dry queens come and host a date. And for me as a viewer, that's

what we need to be seen more of. We need to be including all walks of life, everyone, not just this straight heterosexual relationship. And so that's why I'm glad that we can actually have you on this week for this

podcast, this episode, because of what we saw last night. So thank you. I know it probably, you probably got out and you're like, this is going to be a tough one. But, um, I know, I'm not just saying it. I, I genuinely appreciate the opportunity because to your point, I mean, I firmly believe we should celebrate our differences. Um, you know, being gay is beautiful. Being black is beautiful. You know, everyone should be loved and treated with equality. And, and I firmly believe that. And so, you know, again, from the heart, I'm truly remorseful for the words that I used, you know, back then. And I can assure everyone, uh, you know, anyone who was offended or I can assure you that, you know, I hear you ask you, you know, I'm with you and I'm to devote my time and energy to sticking up what's right. So. A lot of for the people in back. Celebrate the queer culture.

Wait, this one thing with that, though, like I also think it's important. Like, I think it's great that we did bring it up to you because we love you as a person. I feel like that's what people should do. I love that you were saying that you are educating other people to like, hey, that's not the word you want to use. And like us being able to. talk to you about it, only educates more people and tells people, you know, we're way better than this. Let's do better. And it's, it's not to tear anybody down. It's more of like, we love you. And we could be your friends and like, let's fix this. You know? And we celebrate you and we support you. And that's all about what that's what allieship is about.

It's and that's why I say when we first brought you on, I hate the cancel culture. Because if you just totally cancel somebody and don't allow any sort of dialogue, what's going to happen with that? We're just going to keep perpetuating the same cycle. And so, you know, great, and this isn't... Yeah, yeah, it's a start. It's, this isn't a conversation that's one and done and we move on. It's something that I'm sure will be brought up hopefully again and again.

And that's what life is. You have to get uncomfortable at times. You have to have conversations like this. So, Justin, thank you for that. I guess with that, it's a perfect segue into your date. obviously we saw you have your first one-on-one with Katie yesterday. Franco hosted it, who I will say, Franco's one of my favorites. Is everything. He is everything. I was obsessed of him on your season. I think after your season, somebody asked if I had a crush on anyone.

And I was like, yeah, Franco. I loved Franco. He was my number one. So, Justin, how was that meeting Franco, you know, and the first thing we saw you do is you said, I'm a huger and you hug him and you guys embrace and have this moment. But, um, Yeah. How was that one-on-one for you? It was incredible. And so, you know, the episode before, I had gotten my first taste of Franco and the bashball date.

Right. Sorry, Michael A. Once again, Jello and Bengay is on the way once again. But, no, I got my first, I got my, I got my first taste of Franco from the bashball date. And so when I turned the corner, I was Katie and saw him again. He's like, let's go. You know, he's in a sequence outfit. full of vibrant energy

you know, gave him a big hug and I was like, whatever we're doing, it's going to be a fun date. So I was definitely happy to see him. It was, I will say, though, it was a really awkward date. I'm not going to lie. I'm glad you kind of bothered up because

I even, like, I even had a wedding date on my season and yours was like very intense. Like you had to write bows. But like also there wasn't an officiant. I thought Franco was going to come an efficient. You literally just didn't have to stand up there and just say your vows with Katie and be like, okay, do I read first?

Yeah, like what's happened? Do you kiss now? Like, what's my God? It was, it was wild. So literally, I turned the corner and I was like, sacantation date. I'm like, okay, so I know what we're getting into. I literally, I was like,

sacantation date. And then, so we, Franco greets us, and he's like, you know, you two, I see the chemistry, you're beautiful couple. It's time to see if this can work. And he's like, you're going to be right in your valves. And I'm like,

You said what? I was like, I don't remember this part. And I was like, okay, so I'm thinking, I'm like, are he's going to give me like 10, 15 minutes? And so he's like, Katie, I'm going to have you step over to the side. So he's talking to me one-on-one. He goes, are you ready? I'm like, ready to what?

Like jot some stuff down? And he's like, he's like, no, are you ready? And I was like, ready for what, a five-minute warning? And he's like, I'm like trying to buy some time. And he's like, no, he's like, I'll give you 30 to 45 seconds. and then you need to go she's waiting over there for you so i'm like i'm like okay uh it's go time right and i'm like listen like i'm like block out the cameras block out the fact that the people are going to see this hopefully not bosh proposal like it's my i'm doing this like some grace so i go over

and i just i mean i blacked out i could not tell you you know watch it i'm just like i couldn't tell you what i said in the moment i love it she said yes so i guess it was so you did well I thought it was beautiful though what is okay is one of your top love language is words of affirmation yes it's one yes

okay so I words of affirmation is not for me I would have failed this date so miserably it would have been terrible you did great though I honestly thought

I think he did really well I will say I think your vows are better than Katie's really so it's I actually have to agree with that really I appreciate that

no I so I will say she she caught me off guard with with her she she brought it as well and we we joked about it kind of afterwards and we were like you know how awkward this date could have potentially been like quick like it could have gotten awkward and gone down so I'm glad that we had you know obviously you take a one a moment if you can get it right but kind of like the way things played out in my head I'm like I wouldn't mind getting it just around this time because we had already built, you know, a foundation through our, you know, chats at cocktail parties or those ceremonies and, you know, we were comfortable with each other.

So a date like this, we're like, you got to be comfortable with each other or it's going to, you know, be very awkward. Oh, terrible. Well, yeah, it could have been very awkward, but also it's probably one of the first moments that we actually saw you open up a bit more and be more vulnerable than what we've seen. So what was that like for you? Was it, you know, I know that you just said you kind of had to get rid of the cameras and, you know, block out what was going on around you. But how is that, you know, knowing that you kind of have to open that more and give more of your heart now to this woman with millions of people watching this one day?

Yeah. So, you know, one of the other major takeaways from this whole experience is just the ability that I have developed to just push myself beyond boundaries that I thought existed previously. and, you know, literally going through this with no regrets, no hesitation. And, you know, Katie and I had, we had already established that banter and that humorous side, right? And I was like, okay, I'm not going to take this as a joke and just, you know, be funny. Like, I want to show her that I can be serious and vulnerable. And I was literally picturing, like, what this could potentially be like, you know, one day, right? And so I wanted to show her, you know, how serious it was to me. And that's what kind of drove me to just say, you know, like,

Effing, let's do it. You know, I'm not holding back. I'm going to give it my awe. And if I fall in my face, I fall in my face. But at least I didn't know I was trying to get 100%. And that's kind of just the mindset that I had going into it. I have to say your reaction when you saw Katie, like when you turned around, you saw her. Like my heart, I like clenched my chubbed in the wedding dress.

That moment you mean. Yes. When you saw her the first time, you can just tell like you were really putting yourself in that moment and trying to be very present. And I just, what was going through your mind? when you saw her yeah so along the lines of like locking out all the cameras and really being present in that moment and somehow i was i was able to just like lock in and forget that i'm on a one-on-one date right i'm like put yourself in this moment like this is real and your wife is walking down the aisle and like my heart was literally racing like oh this is what it's going to feel like

like on my wedding day right i'm like just to relax like it's a one-on-one one. I'm like, no, it's not. You're like, yes, it is. No, it's not. This is the real thing. I know. I'm like, fighting with myself. Like, it's just a day. I'm like, no, it's more than that. And so I turn around and I see her and she's gorgeous, right?

So I'm just like, damn, like, it's hitting me, right? And I'm like, okay, like, I'm really there. Yeah. And then, you know, like you said, she walked in. I'm like, is somebody like going to come up and like, you know, like, you go first? I go first. And it's like, you may not kiss the bride.

I'm like, okay. Okay. I put multiple hats on here, so... That was my favorite part is you guys, when I say it was awkward, it's because you were kind of just like winging it, but you were both officiating your own faux wedding. And you're like, okay, this comes next.

We say I do. And then now you can kiss the bride. And it's just... It was funny. You made it your own. And going back to the whole vows, when I say, Katie's were incredible, too. so when she is now they were they were and and i feel like she really tailored them to you

justin like she you know talked about you as an artist and painting this canvas of your life so when you heard her say these words what was going through your mind and your heart did you kind of fall for her a little bit more in those moments a hundred a hundred percent you know as she's going through them you know like you said she i can tell she tailored them to me and in that moment, I'm like, wow, like, this woman is really listening to me when we talk. And she's really processing what I'm telling her. And I mean something to her because, you know, we've got, what, 12 other guys at this point that she's, you know, dating and having conversations with. And I'm like, for her to remember these, these little things about me and incorporate

them in our vows, like, that went a long way for me because, you know, I've talked to her about how important, you know, being thoughtful and attentive and how detail-oriented I am as a person. So to see her reciprocate that and show me that she hears me as well, I was like, okay, you know, I, this, you know, this is special and I mean something to her. I'm not just, you know, a number, you know, it wasn't just generic, you know. Yeah, it was a great feeling for sure. Yeah. I will say sometimes those dates, I mean, as much as people love, the adventurous dates and the excitement that comes with certain bachelor-batchrette dates. Dates like this, especially in this moment, you know, kind of halfway through the process

as men are going home and like real relationships are starting to form are so important where you can just, there's not a lot of hype around it, but it's just you two solely focus on each other and exchanging beautiful words. And yes, it's kind of weird that you're getting married right now. But those are the dates that I remember being the most special. where I remember leaving those dates being like, okay, I actually feel it with this person or I could see a future with this person because of how they opened up and just, you know, it's just solely you're just zoned it on on that one specific person and it's just more calm and chill. A hundred percent. And, you know, that I didn't, I didn't view it so much as like, oh my God, we're at a faux wedding. This is weird, right? I took it for what it was and kind of like peeled back to service level layers, you know, to your point and saying, okay, is there something substantial actually here? Right. Because. I feel like that was such a high-risk, high-reward date. You know, that was going to let us know either way, whether we had it or we didn't.

And it uncovered, you know, those layers of like, okay, can we be vulnerable with each other? Right. You know, you saw we had fun with it. We were vulnerable. Like, we covered every facet of what I was looking for. And that was really the moment. I was like, okay, like, we've got something here, you know? Because leading up into that, we had touched on, you know, some more serious topics and we obviously had a lot of fun with each other.

but when you drop us in a scenario like that, it's like you can't run from it, it's either going to work or it's not. You know, I think it went amazing. That's what you're going to go home to every day. Like that's, you want to see if there is something like real there

and the connection. You guys were definitely able to, I don't know, just again, be more vulnerable. And that really allowed her to tell you a really powerful story about her father later that night at dinner. And how much does that mean to you

for her to be able to be that vulnerable and open about something so intimate, really. Yeah, it meant the world to me because, you know, I historically had been a person who would really internalize everything and not really look to, you know, let my feelings out and express, you know, how I'm feeling and talk about hard topics, you know, I was just, I was a person that I always tried to figure stuff out on my own. I'm like, I'm okay, I don't need it. And I had all in relationships, I, you know, had always served as like that emotional support, right? And I'm like, you know, like, I got to be the strong one. I'm not going to put this burden on you. And so I had struggled with that with, with us for a while, right? And so to see her open up and share something,

you know, so instrumental in her life, you know, I was like, okay, she trusts me. You know, this is, you wouldn't just open up to somebody about that if you didn't trust them. And that means the world to me, because if you're going to spend the rest of your life with somebody, trust is a major pillar in a relationship, right? And so, you know, along the journey, there was a number of ways in which Katie had, you know, this innate ability to make you want to open up and trust her and be vulnerable. But that was one of those moments where I was like, okay, like, I really don't need to hold back now. You know, this trust can go both ways and I want to show you that.

I love that. Yeah, I mean, that was a major, major, I mean, You know, Katie has been open about her father passing away, but that was a major, I think, moment in her life that definitely shaped her. And I mean, just trying to put myself in her position. If I didn't feel comfortable with somebody, I would have not have shared that story. I would have waited for somebody that I could have opened up to. So I think it's a testament to what you guys shared earlier in the day to get her to that point. And it was a really beautiful thing. And I think the way that you just supported her was incredible too. And I'm excited to. see where this goes now because really up until this point we haven't seen a ton of you i'd say um and so i mean well we have but not to a large extent okay let's see me you that's literally what it is okay we have to get into that too because we've seen so many memes of you that are blowing up with your iconic facial expressions so did you ever realize before going on the show like how you react how expressive you are how you react to certain things so yes and no so my whole life

growing up i'd been told like you're so expressive like you make the craziest faces like yada yada yada and i'm just like oh like okay sure like what i've got major control of my eyebrows thanks like whatever right and people like no seriously like you're so like going back to like middle school you know like somebody would make it show me like you know people would always turn to me and be like, we know you're going to do something. Like, we know your face is going to give it away. And I'm like, guys, like, what do you mean? Like, I'm just, like, I'm just reacting.

Everyone does that, right? And it wasn't until I saw myself on screen. I'm like, oh, you look crazy. Like, they weren't lying. And there's times for like, I mean, I knew, I knew, like, you know, drama and stuff. I was like, okay, like, knowing me, like, I probably reacted to it. But there's been some times where the camera flashed to me. I'm like, what was I, like, what was I doing?

What was going through my head? I love it. And, like, I'll sit back and literally, like, try to contort my face and remake those faces, and I can't do it. It's, like, such an in-the-moment thing, and I can't control it. And, you know, I'm just, you know, I'm a Gemini. I'm, maybe I'm just part of being super, you know. The dual personality. You probably just, you don't even realize I think you're doing it in the moment, too, because that's just like your actual thought.

You're like, this guy. And, like, you just do, like, these crazy things. You don't even understand. I was on my phone probably for 15, 20 minutes the other night. laughing at your facial expressions because they are so hilarious I don't know I wish I was a little bit more expressive

like that I literally like I mean yeah the eye roll and stuff like that it's like how I'm thinking but I don't realize that I'm like showing y'all how I'm feeling to yeah I try I tried to stay out of a lot of the drama I'm like I'm just sit back here and sit my tea you are the drama

I know right that's always the person I'm like he said what there's always one person each season that it kind of is more removed from all of the actual craziness, but when they just pan to you, it's like, we always, we always see the narrator. We need somebody with the, with the expressions. I get sent them left and right and left and right. I'm like, guys, I know. Oh, I'm sure you do. I know. I'm so good. I'm sure you do. And I feel like your gifts are going to be used for a very long time. So keeps on giving. Yeah. No, Justin, this has been absolutely incredible. I mean,

I know that this wasn't the easiest conversation to get into, but we're so glad that you were able to join us today and not only talk about the show, but talk about some actual real life stuff that needed to be addressed. So we can let you go because I'm sure you're a busy man, but before we have you go, we ask all of our guests this that go through the show. So far up until this point, what has been your rose and what has been your thorn of Katie season? Truly, like, my biggest rose has been. my personal growth in a multitude of ways in terms of, you know, holding myself accountable, you know, knowing that I, you know, I don't have to be perfect all the time. I'm a human. I make mistakes and it's okay. It's a matter of how you respond to those errors and what you do going forward to constantly try to become a better person in the best version of yourself, right? And so being okay with not being perfect and being human, being able to open up and have tough conversations, not just, you know, dialogues like this, but, you know, with, you know, my family and friends and things that I just, you know, said I would be, I would internalize so much, you know,

and just kind of breaking free of all of those things that I didn't realize we're holding back before, you know, that, that freed me throughout this whole process. That's, that's by far been my biggest rose. If I have like a 1B rose, it's the, it's the friendships with some of these guys. I mean, I went into this, um, it was like the typical, I'm not here to make friends. Like, I mean, yeah, and like, I really had no idea what the group of guys was going to be like. Um, I was really worried. I definitely had that, that major sense of trepidation thinking that it was going to be a bunch of alphas who were just, you know, going to be not nice guys, right? But it couldn't be farther from the truth, you know, my guy, you know, Greg, Andrew S, Michael A,

Mike Pete, like those, those are my guys. And I've learned. so much from each and every one of them. And I love the way that we support each other. We're there for each other. And I can go on and on about the group of guys that are in that house. And I have brothers for life through this experience. And I'm so appreciative of that. And it's something that I did not expect at all.

So that's my one B-Rose. I love that answer. Yeah. Yeah. And my thorn, sorry, I should have an easier answer for this. Don't worry about it. I'm really bad at these things, too, like coming. and put them on the stock. It could even be like not being able to shower and sleep when you wanted, whatever it is. Oh, okay. Yeah. My, my biggest, okay. Yeah, my biggest throwing throughout

the whole process was definitely, that's a good way. Definitely like the loss of the loss. The whoa, whoa. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. No, but he's like, actually. Oh, my God. That is so funny. Just like losing all control of like being a normal working human and like getting up when you want. I mean like you and Caitlin came in and the way y'all were beating on those pots and pans. I mean, I was like listen like I'm not a morning person. Y'all need to go. And they're like they're like I was shirtless and like guys you can get out there like don't put clothes and I was like listen. I was like listen. I was like listen. I'm going to listen. I'm going to. I'm going. going to put these ugg slippers on i'm going to put these um slippers on and i'm going to put this hoodie on and i'll meet you all in five minutes uh so so just things like that um not being able to like work out regularly and like losing sleep and just you know all that stuff is probably the biggest story it's it's different yeah like being you know a functioning adult in the real world and

then coming to this environment where i mean like let's be honest it's you're not on your own schedule you have to adhere to there's so many people that work on the show to the cruise time schedule the producers like to katies to everything so it's a it's a different much much different environment i think than anyone would ever realize unless you go through it um i do want to ask this though besides blake who really struggled with the what is it the woo what do we call it the woo woo woo the wo wo whoa whoa whoa whoa blake's a different animal um we knew he we knew that was going to be from him like that afternoon

I think I don't even want to know how you guys know that he was only there for a couple days at this point literally yeah no oh my god I don't want to know this information I want to know all of the who struggled the most after Blake

so you no no so it's funny like I actually like later on like later on you know Katie's checking in, like, you know, how are you guys doing? You guys holding up? And I'm sitting there like, I'm holding up.

And she's like, oh, I don't know if that's like, if I should be offended or not. I'm like, I'm doing it for you. And she's like, but it kind of would have been like flattering if you weren't. So I was like, all right, mess that one up. It's so funny. Lose, lose no matter what. Yeah, yeah. But no, I shout out to my other boy.

I think, I think Brendan may have struggled a little bit. I think. I love this. I love getting the Canadians. Love them, but the Canadians. It is the Canadians. What's in the water up there? The water's different out there. I don't know. Thank you so much for coming today. I know it wasn't the easiest conversation to get into, but we thank you for not only joining us, but allowing us to have this dialogue. One more thing before we let you go and get out

to the podcast is it's so important for everyone to just continue. educate themselves, especially on topics that are real and that affect just us as human beings. And so for anyone who wants to learn more about what affects a queer community and how to be an ally and just resources and to learn more, please head to the Trevorproject.org. You can learn more there, but also if you ever need more resources too, I'm happy to share some. and Justin sounds like you are a part of some as well. So I'm sure you'll have people reach out to you that we could love if you would share those as well

if and when they do. But thank you for joining us on Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm sure we will see you again at some point in this weird Bachelor nation world. But yeah, it has been a pleasure. So thank you. Thank you both for having me. All right, take care.

See you later. Bye. Go have fun touching your avocados. Okay. I'm sorry of avocados. I teach you guys that in confidence. Justin, we thank you so much for taking time out of your day

to speak with us on something that is so important within the community, within our country. We need to keep this dialogue going. And for anyone out there who wants to learn more or to get more resources on how certain things, certain topics and certain dialogue

is affecting the queer community, please head to the Trevorproject.org. Also, we can all be better allies. at any point in time. So please head to the Tarverproject.org to learn more. Tisha, I'm very glad that we can have conversations like that that aren't just recaps solely focused on only the show because this is how I think growth is made.

This is how people's mindsets are shifted. It's so important to realize who we were in our past, but how we can change and grow and continue uncomfortable conversations to move forward and just push the needle forward in life. And so I'm so glad that Justin was able to join us today for that. Absolutely. And again, like how you said, like cancel culture is not something that I've ever been like a fan of and you haven't. And that's not what the purpose of holding somebody accountable is.

It's more so just educating and learning and bettering ourselves, but also the people around us and our communities. And if that just is, you know, holding someone accountable, having this conversation and being like, hey, you could. do better and this is what it looks like. But I'm so happy he is actually immersing himself within the community and helping and becoming an ally on his own. Like that just goes right there to show you like really what kind of man he is. Yeah. And the fact that we were able to talk about these tweets that he did when he was 14 years old, 16 years old. I love that he said that they were wrong then and they still are wrong now. And he wasn't trying to look for any excuses or um he was just trying to say i'm sorry yeah yeah it was great and i think so often it's

easy for people like playing into the cancel culture it's easy for people to be reactive and not proactive and what was great about having justin on is that he wasn't just called out a couple days ago and now he's like oh shit what can i do he's already been putting in the work before this he's been doing it which and and now it's like he he's been doing it but now he's been doing it but now he he can help others do it to and share because I'm sure people will reach out to him and people will still question him. And so for him to be able to already be part of that and to share what he has learned and his resources, I think is so important. And so, yeah, I'm really glad we were able to have him on because at first, and I will say this. Like, I don't like cancel culture,

but also I'm no better at times. Like, I'll see something or read something and it'll be like, F them, I don't even want to have a conversation. I got really defensive at first. I'm like, you're kidding me like really i was kind of disappointed but also at the same time it's really nice to be able to have a civil conversation with somebody out of love and yeah truly just out of respect and trying to learn exactly exactly it's so needed so i'm glad that the three of us could sit down hopefully hopefully if nothing else it allows people to take any bit of this conversation and be able to apply to their life as well so um a huge thank you to justin but a huge thank you to all of our incredible Happy Hour listeners. Thank you guys for hanging out with us

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