Bachelor Happy Hour - Kat & Dale Against the World!

Episode Date: September 11, 2025

Today on “Happy Hour,” we have Kat and Dale back on the podcast to give us all their thoughts on “Paradise”! The two lovebirds had quite the journey this season, so they’re taking us through all the highs and lows of their time on the beach. We get into the jury of peers, the reunion, and the latest on Allyshia and Sean; where do they stand today? They also give us a closer look at the relationship allegations Kat faced and how Dale handled it. And, of course, we get a look at what’s to come for the couple. From managing being bicoastal to what they’re most excited for, they’re telling us all! Tune in now and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Cale. What? Cale. Cale. Caird here first. Cale. A new couple name, kale. Is that, you know, are we set on that?

It's genetically modified the vegetable that everyone thought was healthy and is actually probably not that good for you. That's what you guys are actually. That is so true. Yeah, the kale is a good quality taste. What would be the opposite? Dad? Dad.

No way. Dad and kale. Okay, yeah, I guess you got to go with kale. Yeah, for sure. How are you guys doing? How do you feel after the reunion? I feel good after the reunion. Yeah, I thought that, I thought sparks were, I thought there were some moments where it was going to get super intense, but people kind of reeled it in.

But there was so much stuff. Yeah, I'm literally like squeezing cat during the reunion. Like, keep it chill. Don't burn the stage down. But overall, like, you know, when you watch stuff back, I think people have an idea. of, you know, going into the reunion, they want to say certain things. But everyone kind of held their composure. And I think a lot of the fans probably are going to have a lot more clarity about situations

that were going on during the season. Because even I did, like different perspectives. And I thought everyone approached it in a really, really good way. And I think a lot of people squashed some of the issues that they had going on while airing was going. I know there were some things circulating for sure. What were you guys most nervous about going into the reunion? I think I was like, I can speak for myself.

Seeing how everybody kind of was moving in real time with the way while it was airing made me realize like, oh, people are like, they're not afraid to say anything or do anything or whatever that case may be. So I was just, I guess, more nervous about things getting really elevated and heated and it leaving without any kind of clarity at the end of the day. Yeah. I think on my end, the biggest thing was for us just to kind of, you know, take the higher ground, which, you know, I knew we would obviously communicate our stance in a lot of situations. But you'll see that throughout the season. We were balancing each other out at different times. But the biggest thing is a lot of times, if there's some negativity, it's just projection. So we didn't need to fall into, you know, tit for tat or any of those things. And I, again, I thought that it went really, really well. And it's also just good to see everyone. You know, that's probably the last time we'll all be in a room together at the same time. So it was a good feeling. But it was, I'm happy it's wrapped for sure.

She's so happy it's over. Yeah, yeah. For you, Kat, it's kind of like a lot of accusations have been thrown at you. So no matter what, going into the reunion, you have to be on. Like, you really can't even go in there like I'm in a happy, healthy relationship with Dale. It's like, I am, but I also have to defend myself against everything that kind of went down. I think I just wanted to make sure that our relationship was still expressed and acknowledged. And we like, did it take away from, it didn't take away from

that relationship, right? And I, my biggest thing going into it was that I think people just needed to be held accountable for certain behaviors and things and that to be done in a way that's kind. and still like with composure but as I'm sure we all know like going into those settings and you kind of put yourself back in that like place and so sometimes your emotions can take over so just like being very like grounding in yourself so that way you can actually get your point across yeah I think it was also cool because you know the whole cast is there so some of these situations when it's online and social media you're dealing with it kind of yourself people aren't going to speak and say too much but in that setting I think there were a lot of cast members that stuck up for either of us in situations we did the same and really spoke about some of those situations that kind of helped just debt it you know what I'm saying so I know what you're saying Dale everyone does now everyone knows everyone knows where do you guys stand with Sean and Alicia now

I don't have a problem with Sean. I think Sean made, you know, he was frustrated and made some, you know, decisions that he probably wished he would have handled a little different. Obviously he's not, you know, going to apologize. He did whatever and he stands by that. But I think he also realized during the reunion that it was a heat of the moment, you know, he was frustrated and it was just digging, right? there's bigger things that people go through in relationships than what was expressed on the show and I think like he understands that it seems like you guys had a good report I mean even before the reunion I gave him an olive branch and reached out to him to see if he wanted to talk through

anything this is weeks ago just because in those environments like things are really heightened and we're limited in the way we can like communicate our perspective so we kind of like squash what we could, but I also realized that like as things are airing, you might like want to kind of lean into that narrative too. So I didn't know how he was going to come into the reunion necessarily. Same with Alicia. I mean, Alicia did not speak for the reunion. Like no outreach was given. So I think that I was able to kind of almost like, I guess, give like more perspective and see that there wasn't as much weight in what the accusations were because there wasn't really any like proof or follow up. I was able to like at least feel where they're coming from. I guess their

opinions on my character. And I don't want to like we're not like best friends, but like I don't hold any animosity because that's just like not who I am. I, I almost like forgive too easily. But I will say like this experience taught me like how close to keep people and those that like that people might be out to like hurt you in some capacity and you just have to be a little bit more cautious of that. So that's pretty much like where the, I would say it's, it lies. It's just like neutral. I'm never probably going to see them again. So I'd rather just not have any hatred. But as long as like we both were able to speak our truth, that's all I really cared about. Yeah. I think, you know, just at the end, people kind of tried to, you know, just squash a lot of

the large scale, like combativeness. And again, like, I think that was the great thing about the reunion coming off it. I think if there were things that were open-ended, people just kind of moved past them. And, you know, we all set our peace. Like, I feel like everybody said what they've been trying to say for these last, like, while it's airing, like, it's been a lot of built-up stuff. And I think once everyone was able to see that and say that, we're adults, you kind of just like move on in your own ways that doesn't mean that you're going to be like texting each other and be if that but you can feel comfortable making a TikTok or something you know yeah yeah so TikTok yeah I just I'd rather put my energy towards I I'm not going to let people like you know live in my brain essentially it's over it's done I can live in theirs if they want but why so going back to the show accusing you of having an iPad and reaching out to your ex or well technically your current boyfriend is what the accusation was um why do you think he made that up because I I I stand with you in this situation because if

you had an iPad they would have shown it right and there's really nowhere for you to hide on the show I and I guess I don't know and you may not even be able to answer for Sean but where does he pulled that out of? Is that just like? Or do you think it didn't start with Sean? Do you think it might have started with your ex? I think it was a combination. I do know that what ended up happening when they got voted off and they were put in that hotel was he called my ex and said things about what I was doing in Paradise that ultimately also weren't true, such as like saying I was talking on camera about him cheating on me and kind of getting him rolled up at least sounds like so I don't really know what was exchanged in that conversation that led him to say

something to that extent but as you see it was an iPad or was it a laptop like if you're going to speak on something with so much like that has a lot of weight I think it would be in your best interest to make sure you have your facts aligned can't speak on why he did what he did or what she did or said it to that way but I I still don't know from even like what my ex had said i know that for sure there was no receipts because there's nothing to give um and yeah i don't know i do know that it was a lot of i don't yeah the conversation that was had was not accurate from both ends all right west west prop here from hood politics with prop podcasts you already know our get-down if you grew up in our urban areas of comforted

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The diva of the people. I'm just like, text your ex. My theory is that if you need to figure out that the stove is hot, go and touch it. Go and figure it out for yourself. Okay. That's us. We're in the head.

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I don't think it did it look like it. No, and I said it that morning, I was like, I love where we're at. Like, I thought that the three final couples were the three final couples that really did deserve to be there and, like, had, not to say that Bailey and Jeremy didn't, but they face a little bit more adversity in my opinion. But if it was the final four, I would love that too. I just, like, loved that we were where we were at. And I felt like we deserved to be there. And whatever happened afterwards, I was, I was fine with anybody who were to win or deserve. to live as like a little bit more financially stable from the money so when we lost the challenge

and it came down to Justin Spencer from an outsider looking in obviously they would be the couple to go forward just based on their relationship that they saw but I've always said it's hard because not one couple is better than the other it's we're all in our own relationships and I think we all have our own unique things it just depends but yeah they definitely yeah and I think like we knew like uh with the pointed questions challenge or whatever yeah as we're reading through the or you know the questions that you know are going to be asked and we you know are tallying stuff up we knew there was no way we were winning that and it's not voted so many of those people off but it's also like I feel like we were very direct if we didn't agree with something

you know we communicated it um and yeah we were pretty firm with like you know I let most people know if I was voting for them right before the rose ceremony so they always knew where I stood and when people are coming back even if there's not ill will some of those things are going to definitely come back around and also just the nature of it right with some of the people who had left it was going to be a tough go for us but uh we said even going into it like we're not going to sit and beg anybody for shit we're going to be who we are we can express and people can see you know how we built this here in paradise. Yeah.

But ultimately, it was out of our control at that point. So whatever happened, we were good. And, you know, a little conflict at the end. But I think that set the foundation for us to, you know, reset, really look at. It helped me. I was like, oh, this man is going to stand by me without even knowing anything. Like, that's incredible. Like, that actually, like, made our relationship so much stronger.

I think they wanted it to do the opposite. it, but it was literally the weight of the world, like, put it into real test timing and that situation. And it really helped me, like, see him for who he fully, fully is. And you don't really get that opportunity that much in those settings. So kind of... Do you think, do you think if Dale had a few more rosés in him? He would have handled that differently because I did.

No, Dale, I want to ask you a serious question, Dale. That's so funny. You did really handle that, like, very mature. It was very mature of you because I think most people in that situation and on that show and it is a pressure cooker and there's so much to think about and you're near the end would have been like, well, what the fuck is going on here? Do you have a boyfriend? I mean, this all seems pretty legit what is going on. Why did you handle it the way you did? I mean, for me, whatever situation happened, it's something that we can.

could have the conversations and figure it out after the fact. I don't think it was handled the right way. I would have never handled it in that setting. And yeah, there were definitely moments where I really had to bite my tongue because I wanted to pop off, but it didn't serve anything. And it was less about me and it was more about cat in that situation, regardless of what happened,

like I was going to be fine, right? Like if there's hurt and everything, that's OK. But there was never a time where I was I was going to try to throw her under the bus and pile on. But like it was really, really intense in real time. I go for a walk in the entire group of everybody's walking with me. Sean comes over, Andrew, Jeremy, everybody. And they're we're trying to look out for you.

We just want you to be happy. Like yada, yada, yada. And in all those settings, too, I was like, look, I don't care what's going on right now. All I care about is how cats doing. And whatever else comes out, like we can. figure it out. But this whole situation, like, I'm just kind of done with it. So you can say whatever you want. It's not going to change how I'm going to act. I'm grown. I'm fine. Like, but I want to, you know, make sure she's okay. And we could work everything else out and

figure it out after the fact. So I don't know. I'm always going to go to the source. And it did create, you know, where we had to have some conversations after the fact. But that's all stuff that we could work out, right? We had gone through the whole paradise experience together. So, like, we were going to finish it together. Yeah, it was a lot longer in real time. It was a whole. Like, he was going for a while. And that's when I started to have a panic attack because I was like, I just felt like so powerless in that moment. And it was less about what he was saying. It was more about the environment and like where that brought me back to. And I was just in no capacity to even speak to anyone and all I cared about was Dale.

So, yeah, it was a lot more intense. And then even after you came back out, it sounded like it was really, really a lot. So he did really well. If you guys. But if you had a few more rosé's, I don't know. I don't know how he would have handled that. But it probably said a lot more. He still would have deaded it.

Don't worry. I am good. The deaded moment. I didn't have as many rosés. Like the goldens were very, very taken aback by that because they're like, what is this behavior? Yeah. And you know, it came at me like super sideways.

Like if. And again, at the end of the day, it was just an intense environment. And my main thing is like, look, like I'm not even trying to hear this right now. Like this has been going on for X amount of time. Let me find Kat. Let me make sure she's okay. We can talk. We can figure this out in the morning.

And I just kind of left it at that. Yeah. Yeah. Kat, going on Paradise, how would you have described your relationship with your ex at the time? With my ex at the time. Definitely not in a relationship. Like there was no boyfriend, girlfriend. I was seeing a few different people prior to going to Paradise, him being one of them.

And we reconnected probably like, I would say a month before I had left. But that was always known that I was going. And, you know, I've said this and I think he'll agree. It wasn't the healthiest. And it was one of those kind of attachments that I think we both needed to separate and see what was going to be the case. And that's what I used to Paradise for. So I was coming in hopeful, but still like fearful of the experience.

It hasn't worked out so great in the beginning or in the previous years. So I wasn't like, oh, I'm for sure going to meet someone like in my head. I'm not like I'm going to leave knowing or with my person again. I was very open to like possibly just coming home alone. And that was okay. But I think just like an average like, you know, normal dating, seeing someone. but with no like attachments to our titles to our relationship at all and he can 100% testify to that and agree to that yeah he was on the roster or even Andrew said in the

reunion like it's like you know whatever happens because at the end it's like close any loose ends that I was dating whoever had stuff going on a lot of people were dating because like that's what we're allowed to do like I think in previous years we were like let's not live our life before because we want to find our person in paradise but we learn that that's not always going to be the case and if you do limit yourself prior then you almost come in with so much like expectations of how you're supposed to leave and then that changed like Jonathan talked about that like really clearly that he felt because the buildup to paradise was so intense for him and like each time like if it wasn't someone that he was matching with it he just got lower and

lower and just felt listen. Like she gave up all my lens before and like for so I was just something I wasn't willing to do in this time like I was still going to date and live my life and and go on a dating show like why are we going on a dating show? If you guys had made it to the end you're the only couple okay 500K is on the table do you think you one of you might have taken the money like is it something you thought about or talked about it all. And to add on to that real quick,

do we know, like, if you, could there have been a side deal made? Could, like, take the money and then just figure it out after? That's what we've been wondering. Yeah, I would have to have something in writing where I'm like, you better share that with me. But if it came down to, like, we give up half a million dollars

when we could just date after, like I just, I didn't understand how you could choose love or money, Anyway, like, we have free will. We never thought about that or even had a conversation. I didn't even know that was an option. Like, we didn't even think about that. But if it was 500K, that's different than 250K, too, even.

Like, it's just, I don't really know what we would do. Yeah, I never really thought about that. Like, some people are, because a lot, like, Kathy's like, I'd take the money. And, you know, and then even Spence were like, oh, yeah, we could take the money. And then we could just do this after anyway, because so. Yeah, I didn't understand. I think until you're in that situation, but it'd be a conversation, you know. I think the show, I think the show needs to draw a clearer line on what it means to take the money

and what it means to not take the money. Because like, yeah, like. Because Joe and I was like, we're definitely, I'm at the very least seriously considering taking it. I'm probably taking it. And then I'm going to be like, but we'll split it on the back end. And then we'll date the minute we get out of here. Like, we're getting both somehow. So they need to have some, like, definitive rules.

You know, there's no, there's no rules are you, you know, so season was, let me throw something at the wall and see what, you know, sticks. So that was one of them. Let's take the money and then we'll just meet up after and we'll just keep doing this thing. I think that was one of the things that these are like the kinks that they're going to work out. And I think our cast was kind of like the guinea pigs for even the challenges. Like, yeah, it's the first time doing something like this. So I'm giving them grace.

But, yeah. I mean, we didn't have to make the decision. So it doesn't matter. Chilling. Yeah. All right, West West, Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcasts. You already know our get-down.

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You're like starting the relationship, but we were very, very open. on like how this works like what needs to happen things that had come up with with both of us and you know so i think like that that initial month was really like getting the kinks out getting yeah i'd say getting the kinks out and then also like addressing things very very you know upfront and everything like that and um without question you know like august has been you know strong us moving in the right direction. And it just takes time because when you're in paradise and you're in like this controlled

environment, you're in a routine each and every day. And then, you know, the way it ended, there were things that, you know, we had to communicate about. And you don't have crossover in each other's lives, you know. So like, I mean, you haven't even, yeah, she hasn't

even like kicked it with any of my friends. Yeah. Well, the thing is just like what I learned the first time, it's like you have paradise, you have this place where like it's, you know, la la land but then you have your work and you have your priorities and you have your family and you have things and it's like okay how do we make each other fit into that and that's like a very big test and then throw the fact that we're watching something on television matter relationship outside opinions then you have to throw into the fact that we can't even live a normal life like which

keeps us more separate because he does stuff for work that like i wouldn't be able to do so it was a lot of things that like i feel like if we can get through those hard moments after is that's the best thing ever and I feel like it's a really good testimony to any relationship in this franchise that has been able to come through um but and you really start the relationship kind of now yeah really really really i think it's in like phases i'm calling this phase two plus um phase two plus phase one is air or filming phase two is airing and trying but like us being private was so hard like he wouldn't even go into your ass station with me it was like crazy but he was still able to meet my family and everything we like got a hotel like privately and um it was awesome like still being able

to share my life with him and he's not all my like best friends and um yeah we were able to do as much as we could in private but now I feel like it's when the fun can actually begin well how do you plan on navigating the opposite coast right now because yeah New York San Diego and yeah is more difficult I don't think through the end of the year like I don't think it's going to be that difficult. You know, cat schedule is a little bit more restrictive than mine. Obviously, you know, I'll still be traveling and things like that. But, you know, I've also, to start off September, you know, I'm spending as much time here as I can. We've already got trips planned to New York, St. Martin in November. We haven't put those dates yet.

We're good for you guys. Yeah. So there's, you know, we're still getting a lot of time and some of that gap's going to be closed like in a random location, right? I've been in long distance relationships like a lot and it was hard. But in this one, even even in the fact that we haven't been able to live our normal life, I've seen him more on a monthly basis that I had in my actual real life long distance relationships. I think he has the means and ability to make that effort and prioritize like connection. And as long as we're both moving to that, that I think that's going to be, that's what keeps it totally fine. Yeah. Because it's not like you're like in New York 24-7, like, and we're like living in this

like different time zone. Like he'll stay here for a week at a time and like now I can actually go there and stuff like that or go with him on his little trips. I just going to talk along on. But I don't, yeah. And that was one of my first questions too, because I didn't really want to do that. But his previously ship was long distance and it was never an issue. And that kind of made me feel a little bit more comfortable, like, okay, despite the distance, it can still make it work. And as long as we're both working towards bridging that gap, ultimately, when the time is right, then I think that's what matters. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if both people want to make it work, you can make it work. Yeah. And y'all, I mean, you all know, obviously, like, you know,

with how your relationship, I don't know how long it was until you were, you know, in the same same city. Okay. He loves to tell me like you guys. No, but it takes time. You can I have ideas, like, and I have a lot of flexibility, but, you know, it still takes time to transition and make a decision on what's right. You know, you also have to look at the future of like, okay, like two years from now, like where do you want to be? And so those conversations are easy ones to have. It's not difficult. She knows some of the core plans and things that I have to do for whether it's business, you know, tax purposes, all those. types of things but right now like those are things that all work itself out we're not putting

too much pressure on it um i guess you know i just have a few more flights booked yeah yeah it's really just about having fun right now like that's the biggest thing and the more you enjoy each other the more you'll make time to see each other um in you in your guys's opinion at the time do you think if the show is based off of the strongest couples make it to the end Do you agree with the way it ended? Like in the two that first or like we all? Do you think the two that were like the end? So Andrew and Alex and Jess and Spencer,

do you think they at the time were the two strongest couples? I mean, I like we talked about this on the reunion. Everyone has different phases of where they're at and the development, right? You come in at different times. Kat and I in our opinion like we're as strong as anybody. I think we were very, really thick, we were very open. Obviously, Spence and Jess were in Lock and Key at the beginning. We knew there was no engagement that was happening in Paradise for either of us.

And, yeah, it just wasn't happening. But we also went through a lot of things on the show, you know, with people coming in, with controversy, a little conflict with us. that was really easy for us to move past so yeah Andrew and Alex I mean they're beautiful in their own way like they have this like quick fast love that I don't think either of them anticipated coming into paradise to experience and then you have Justin Spencer who are like just so in love like I've actually never seen something like that in real time like coming off even like I'm like you guys are so in love and I think we all just have in Jeremy and Bailey even like the most i think least expected couple but they i mean bailey had like a really really good really good

thing yeah they have a really each other down like they hold each other down and i love that about them so it's just we all have our own different inequalities in each relationship that it's really difficult to say one is stronger than the other because it just depends on what you determine or like it's subjective right but the way the way it finished like we're not mad about it obviously we would like to be there um you know i'll i'll take the take the take the l which was hard in the physical challenge um but uh yeah we're we're good with it how mad were how mad were you when you lost that challenge on a scale of one through 10 so that i didn't know so i tore my tricep uh before filming got cleared i didn't realize that i tore my lap as well at the same time until halfway

through filming so like we're getting ready for the final and then spent like we're I'm talking with Spencer like what's what's going to how did you figure it out like did you go get checked out was doing a like like stretching in a push up in a row and like I could feel here like you could feel a separation everything is yeah torn off the back side of my lap um and it was fine like I don't think anything of it because we didn't have any physical challenges but the day of the the the way to the world I'm talking with Spencer I was like you don't think it's going to be anything physical right he's like oh no we haven't done anything uh up into that point and then we get there and we look at each other and I was like,

they wait us the day before too. I was like, I'm fucked. I'm fucked. I'm fucked. And then. But you crushed out almost after every, like, it was difficult because these challenges besides honestly the one that we won were so subjective and like difficult to like. There were some challenges you weren't going to win.

So it was frustrating because you want to win the challenge. You want to get immunity and everything. So that way to the world was was frustrating because I've never, that was the first time in my life, I've ever felt at a disadvantage or vulnerable physically. If I was fully healthy, like, I couldn't even feel my right side of the body after the challenge. My left side, I was fine. This was just destroyed. But I also did the challenge. I wasn't going to try to back out because it's like, you know, anything can happen. And it's like, we're here. Like, let's just, let's just rip it. Let's just rip it. Dale, what's your horoscope sign?

Libra. Cat, does that work for you? I've actually needed a few Libras, surprisingly. It's not about the horoscope. I've already analyzed his birth to hurt. Does that work? I'm pretty sure you're a double Libra, actually. But yeah, it's all about balance,

and I think that that is what I mean most. And so I think he has really kind of just been that sounding board of balance for both of us, essentially. I feel like you guys balance each other in, like, nice ways. yeah different ways but it's i'm also like super like punctual prudent like to my detriment like if it comes logistics schedules timing i'm almost like obsessive about it but that's also because of sports i think life is just crazy uh at times and um there's so many like areas that i have to have like very very detailed consistent like planning

But it's, I also realizing what, you know, we've had to kind of navigate is, you know, I can't always be on. I got to, you know, sometimes just let things ride and go to the flow. Be a little goofy. Like just, just feel a little feels. But he also helps me like that, that type of energy motivates me too. So I think, yeah, there's a lot of balance. Yeah.

And it's exciting time for both of us right now. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen, I like both of you a lot. and I really think it could work, and I hope it does. And next time you're in New York, we should get dinner. But that's really all we got for you today. You guys are in New York?

Yeah. Yeah, New York. Wait, so we could hang out with our friends. Everyone's in New York. New York's right that. I love New York. My family's from there. So that's like my most visited city.

So it's awesome. But yeah, we're very excited. We know all the thoughts. I don't know if we're doing Fashion Week. I don't know about the fashion week craze, though. We'll see. You don't know. You're going to miss out.

It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. Yeah. But it is fun seeing everybody. But regardless, like we, I think so much life to live. I'm very excited for that. Yeah, there's just fun things that, you know, we're going to be able to do.

And I think that's what's really cool is we go into this phase now. We get experienced new things together. It could be the same thing that we experience alone, but it's going to completely change because you're with someone. And I'm excited because there's a lot of things that, you know, I'll be able to show and, like, kind of open up my world to Kat. And, like, that excites me because there's so many things I've done by myself for so long, which I'm fine, do it.

I've, you know, gotten used to it. But I, you know, life is the best thing is being able to share it with your partner or people you love and care about. So we've got some fun things ahead. Very excited. Yeah. Well, we're excited for you guys. We're excited to follow along.

You know, you got the holidays coming up, meeting each other's, you know, more friends and family. So, yeah, we're just wishing you guys all the best. Thanks for coming on today. The dreaded November. Guys, I've been broken up two years in a row. In a row. In November? Thanksgiving week.

Like, two weeks of the holiday. At least wait until Christmas. Fun fact. Fun fact. December is the busiest. time of year for dating apps and that's because people they guess they just break up with their girlfriends they cut it over Thanksgiving because everyone's going back for the holidays turkey dump it's called turkey dump we're going to hold it down turkey don't yeah yeah yeah

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