Bachelor Happy Hour - Katherine’s Got Bad B*tch Energy

Episode Date: January 31, 2023

This week on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” Katherine joins Becca and Michelle fresh off the iconic Bad B*tch Energy group date, Group Date Rose in hand! She’s discussing all that went down, including being surprised by Latto, Tahzjuan shooting her shot, getting Zach’s first Group Date Rose of the season, and so much more.  Plus, Becca, Michelle, and Katherine debate whether there’s such thing as being toooo “comfortable” around significant others.  Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And I'm Michelle Young. And we are back this week to get you into the second episode of The Bachelor. And today we have our guest, Catherine. Yes, we are so excited to be speaking with this lady. we're chatting with katherine we're going to hear all about the group date rose all about everything that went on but first before we bring her on beckle what were your thoughts on this episode um my thoughts on this episode oh okay number one i want to say this i feel like i really like this group of women i think we're seeing more of like this camaraderie between them and this support system which i think is so important i think for any cast member in this scenario because you're so removed from like your normal life and your core group of people that they really are leaning on each other and supporting one another, which I personally love to see. I feel like I had a lot of that on my season too. And it's kind of good to be able to witness that instead of like all

the caddiness and the fighting, which I'm sure that will come eventually. But that was like the standout thing for me in this episode. What about you? I, okay, that's so interesting that you bring that up because the coyness and the fighting, I think it always comes. But it, it's so interesting to just, like, watch these episodes because one, I do feel like with this season, we're getting a little bit more of, like, background information on the contestants, just with even, like, how the editing is going. But also, it's so interesting to see, like, the whole concept when you're in a position and you're all dating the same person. And you're human and you have emotions. But, like, when they're like, are you really happy for them when someone else gets like the group date rose or they get

chosen to go on the one-on-one or they get pulled or they kiss Zach for the first time? It's so interesting because there was a conversation between the women of how can you actually be genuinely that happy? Like they're dating the same person you're dating. What are your thoughts on that? I feel like I'm the wrong person to ask because when I was a contestant, I was that girl and I loved so many of the girls, and I feel like we formed really great friendships that I was like, I'm so happy you get to go on this day. You go explore and have fun. And maybe, maybe it was a little bit because, and this is a little bit hard to explain, but like when you're constantly filming, like the days are really long, especially like when you get a one-on-one date or a group

date, like it's a lot. You're constantly in interviews or having girl chats or talking with the lead and there's like really no downtime. So maybe a part of it was like, oh, I don't have to go on a date and this girl gets to go on the 101. And now I can kind of relax. Like maybe there was some of that in the back of my mind. But I really for the most part, like was happy for some of the girls. Maybe it's a Minnesota thing because I feel I feel very much similar where it's not like this over-the-top excitement because you're still there to like seek it out. But you also enters the situation knowing the circumstances. And so it's kind of almost like an open relationship. And so it's like if I just sat there and was pissed off every time somebody was

going on a date, like I know I'm not going to go on every day. You don't get to go on every single day. It's not possible. So it's like I can't sit and be just miserable. Otherwise I'll be miserable every second that I'm there. So yeah, it's just interesting to hear the girls kind of chat back and forth about that whole concept, because it really is a balance. Right. Well, and two, I understand where it would be very off putting later on in the season. When you actually really establish a connection, you've spent any sort of alone time with the lead. I understand why at that point, you'd be like, oh, I don't want to see him kissing anyone else. I don't want to hear about this magical date you had. But right now, it's week one.

they like haven't even unpacked their bags in the mansion. And so I'm like, just roll with the punches. Again, you said it best. Like, you know what you're getting into. It's kind of like this open relationship. And so, yeah, I'm like, give it time. It's only going to get harder. So like, try not to put so much stress and anxiety on that situation right now. Because it's like you just embrace this craziness that it is. And you're going to be happier in the long run. I think. Right. Did you, did you peep the comment? Someone said, I don't even know who it was because someone was interviewing. It was like a voiceover, but all the girls were showing like running out of the mansion. They're like, we finally get to get out of the house. I'm like, we're just

getting started, y'all. Yeah. Just do wait until week three. Okay, can we talk about some of the conversations? There were like little snippets throughout this episode, which I actually loved. Like one was about the kissing. And actually I'm excited to have Catherine on today because she made a comment where she's like, I didn't realize that there's not always tongue when you kiss someone. I really want to ask her about that because I'm like, are you constantly shoving your tongue in his mouth or like, how do we feel about a little peck or, you know? And so I want to pick her brain about that one. And then we have to talk about this conversation about how exposed you are in front of your partner in terms of bodily functions. I think it was like the

last little bit of the episode where the girls were talking about, like, going to the bathroom in front of your partner and farting in front of your partner. And I need to know, where do you stand on this? It is so funny because it shows about, it is about romance and love and drama, but you see these women with just lavish dresses and these beautiful dates and all these things. But I'm also really enjoying, like, the relatability because we, like, last episode, it was, um, The Kegels. It was, Christina's talking about the Kegels. Now we're talking about, wait, do we use tongue? Do you not use tongue? Do you expel? Like, bodily fluids? How do you do all these different things? So we're definitely tapping into the relatable side, which I appreciate. I, and I love it

too, because keep in mind, like, when you're seeing these women on the big screen, they're all glammed up. They always look good. They're in their heels, their gowns, full makeup hair. But, like, and you probably remember this, too, when you lived with all the girls ever, like, there's only a couple bathrooms. People go to the bathroom with the doors open. Like, it's like, like, and I've never been in a sorority, so I can't even like compare it. I can't even like say that I know this, but I can imagine it's like kind of like a sorority where it's like, you know, you just like get used to each other and how bodies operate. And like when you live with somebody 24 or 7, especially with that many people, like, you're going to get to

know each other pretty quick. And so I love that they have this conversation. But I need to know how do you feel? Where do you stand in terms of like going to the bathroom or farting in front of a partner. Okay, so this is, oh my gosh. See, I already get, like, it's not that they don't get uncomfortable, but it was, it's just more of, I've lived with a person that I was dating,

and they spoke about it all the time, and I didn't really have, I don't have an issue of other people are speaking about it, but like I'm never documenting or announcing when I'm going to the restroom or I don't like leave the door open. but I will say like I side with the girls who are like one of the girls was like I just hold it in and I'm like that sounds so painful especially if you're living with somebody day in and day out like that there there comes a time and I'm all about like you know keeping it still sexy and like don't give you everything away but like also if you're living with somebody we're all human we all understand um but it just takes some of us longer than others to open up you know yeah you just go I'm on

the longer side. Yeah. There's nothing wrong with that. What were your thoughts, though, with Christina and going to Zach's family barbecue and how she handled it and all of that stuff? I mean, I thought she handled it fine. And I think I could see why that date was set up for her in a sense. You know, like there was this whole story about her wanting to open up to him. like having deeper conversations with him in the evening portion about her being a mom and having her beautiful daughter. And so I think the entire date was teed up very nicely for that. And I think, I think Zach, I actually like how he handled it and responded. I can appreciate him, you know, taking a step back and taking a moment and being like, you know, I want kids one day.

But right now, I don't know if that's for me. And I appreciate that he didn't just say the perfect thing of like, it's okay. Like, it'll work itself out. I like that he was like, it scares me. And that's terrifying. And I want to know, like, if you're going to be the right one for me. Like, I need to process potentially, like bringing this child into my life and being like this father figure. And that's got to be a lot to take in.

I don't know. Did you date anyone on your season that had a child? Um, yes, Spencer, Spencer had, there were, yes, there were. And unfortunately, well, I don't know, fortunately, unfortunately for him, I didn't find out until later. And that just kind of had more of, it was a relationship that moved out of a slower point where Christina really brought it up right away. Right. And I do, I do respect that. And I also respect the way that Christina said, I understand, like, this is my world. But I also understand that this is a lot to process and I understand that if this is not something that you're ready for right now, she gave him that space to have those feelings as well. Right. But throwing kids into this mix, it really is difficult for both parties because you don't, as a parent, I'm sure you're away from your kid. You don't want to just bring just anyone into their lives. You want to make sure that they're ready as well.

but then as a lead you have to go through this whole concept of I have to keep them here and what if I keep them away from their kid and I don't select them that I've just wasted not only their time but someone else's time is really tricky does you have anybody on your season no from what I can remember I don't think any of the men had kids so I never had to encounter that and and like I don't know how I would have responded you know like I would have needed and I'm somebody who like needs time to process things like something big like that so I don't know like even in one night like I don't know where I would have been in my head space of like can I give somebody this rose right now it's and I think he you know he obviously saw something there

with her I think that and he seemed like he was intrigued with her night one you know the party bus they had like more alone time than most of the other women did and so he's definitely seen a connection and a spark there with her but i think i'm glad that she brought it up early on because i think now they're both going to be like hyper aware moving forward of is this going to be the right fit and if it's not i think that they are both from what i've seen mature enough to be able to handle that conversation and part ways amicably i would hope um but yeah it's got to be tough i again, I never dealt with it, so I don't even know. I can't even speak on it.

But one more thing before we bring Catherine on, because I'm really excited to have her on. But I just have to give a shout out to all of the judges on that first group date for the big bitch energy group date. Lotto was incredible. Bad bitch. Wait, what did I just say? Big bitch. Big. Big bitch.

confused with bad bitch energy. Okay. Oh, you digs for the bad bitch group date. I, you know, it's always fun seeing familiar faces. We've seen Taj recently. We've seen Victoria recently. But Courtney Robertson, I, you know, say what you want about her. She rocked the boat on Ben Flannock season. But I personally loved her. She was so entertaining. I'm so glad that she was brought back on. this date. It was a perfect fit. It was so good to see her again. So Courtney, I could have had more of you. And I really wish we saw more of that date because I'm sure that there's so

much that took place that we just couldn't fit into this episode. And I'm sure they had some great feedback, great comments. But it was fun to see all of those judges together. But now, Michelle, we got to bring on Miss Group Date Rose winner herself. So let's just bring Catherine on to Happy Hour. Welcome, Catherine. We are so excited to have you here today. I know that you typically on the show went as Catherine, but in real life you go as Kat and you are now the only cats left. So we're going to start calling you Kat. So welcome Kat. How are you doing? I'm doing well. I'm so excited to be here. This is like my first podcast that I really wouldn't want it to be with anybody else. So this is exciting. We're so excited to have you. And I have to say,

and please correct me if I'm wrong, you are a nurse, right? And you just came off of a night shift. Correct? Not currently, but... Oh, okay. I was going to say, if you look like this just coming off of a night shift, give me all of your tricks, because you look stunning. I was supposed to work tonight, and I ended up moving my ships around.

But typically, I'm back to night, so I work my night shift now. And no, this is not when I end up looking like after my 12 hours. Well, you're stunning either way. Thank you. I want to know getting into, like, we're going to get into this week's episode, the group date, how you got that special rose. But just for our listeners who obviously don't know much about you, how did you get cast on this show? Was this something that a friend or family member had you do? Was it just something personal that you wanted to do?

Yeah. So I was like one of the people that came in really last minute. You know, dating as hard these days as all those. things, you know, if you don't want to, like, I was over it. I was over the dating field in Tampa and I'm like, let's do something different. And my friends have always recommended, like, I go on The Bachelor because they watch the show and they said I would be so and be good. I'm like, you know what, let's just like try it out and I'll apply. I think they had nominated me like in previous seasons. I don't know if the combination affected anything to do with it, but they called

me 10 days later and they're like, well, we start filming in like a month. So we have to start this ball rolling. I'm like, okay and from then on it was just like one thing after the other and honestly throughout the whole process I was like there's no way I can do this like give up my life like stop everything for everything on hold and go on but I'm like let me just keep going to see what goes on with it and how much I might want to do this more and then they end up saying yes like two weeks before I flew out so I was pretty much on a plane within six weeks five to six weeks of the whole process starting which is pretty crazy because there's a lot that goes into it.

Yeah. But yeah, and then end up being a blessing. So I'm happy I decided to do that. Had you watched the show before you were nominated? I watched a few seasons. I watched Hannah Browns and then Peters. And then I stopped for a while. And I really watched a few episodes of Paradise.

And then I started watching a few of Gabby and Rachel's, but I just really didn't have like the time to keep up with everything. Oh, absolutely. But you had an idea of, like, kind of what you were about to get into? Exactly. Yeah. Okay. And so I binged Clayton's season when I started doing this. I'm like, okay, well, let me watch the most recent season.

So I have some type of a close idea of what's going on. And that was the one I, like, watch Start to Finish. I just kind of was like, let me see what to wear. Was there at any point when you're watching, like, Clayton's season or any of the previous seasons where you were like, I'm scared shitless? I don't know if I'm cut out for this. Every first night episode, I'm like, no way. not do it. I can't. I can't. Like, it's so crazy to think of how, like, your nerves are and it still never prepares you. Like, you can never prepare for that moment. Like, it was every episode I saw

at night one. I'm like, I can't do this. This is crazy. It's such a different feeling. Okay. So you go through this whole process, like expedited. You decide that, I mean, you're a nurse, you're taking time off to do this. You get there. You're about to start, you know, start the show. your initial connection was that what was like that well what was that like for you well um so i obviously get out the limo and i'm like okay this is happening wasn't for real until i saw him standing there and our initial interaction was my little bit with the sunscreen and all that and they didn't show it but i actually sprayed him in the eyes um so that was good i sprayed him directly in the eyes because i did it back to him so that was like great start

Awesome. But then we sat down and had our conversation. It was still really nerve-wracking because you're still getting used to the cameras and everything. And it was early on in the night. But I just felt this like initial comfortability. Like I've asked him like the questions I need to know. Obviously, are you like normal fun and like goofy? But like overall I could tell he was just like just as nervous as I was. And that almost had me feel comfortable too. Because I'm like, okay, we're both like figuring myself together. So it'll be like a thing for us. But yeah. Yeah, I would say that besides the spraying in the eyes, it was pretty good. First initial connection with him. Wait, what level SBF was it? Oh, of course, 50. You can't do anything less than that. Come on. She was like, it was 90.

No, it's 50 or more. Otherwise, it's a waste. So there's obviously a lot that happens that night one. And it's just a lot to process, not only meeting 30 other women and this man that, you could potentially get engaged to at the end of this. But like, like you said, the lights, the cameras, there's just so much commotion. What is one thing that really stuck out to you that night, like that you were pleasantly surprised about or like any connections with the women right off the bat that you really formed right away? Yeah, I would say that that night, I was

really pleasantly surprised by how nice everybody was. Honestly, there wasn't really anything that I felt like personally that was making me super uncomfortable or feeling like targeted or like I know that emotions can be high and people can be a little bit out of character. But I was still happy to feel like an initial like, okay, these are girls, girls too. I became friends with Jess right away. We are both from Florida. So she was already sitting down and we immediately clicked and pretty much didn't leave each other side all night.

Her and Bailey and Genevieve as well. So us four were just kind of like in our own little corner. It was nice to feel welcomed and never like uncomfortable about speaking how I was feeling, you know, it's a long night. And you have, you just pretty much spend the whole time if you're not with Zach, like talking to each other and understanding who each other are too. So everyone was really nice. I felt like everyone kind of, we were all kind of similar in a way. That made it comfortable. Yeah.

Did you keep your heels on the entire evening? I did. I literally did. I don't know how you guys. It's like, actually, no, I kept my heels on the whole rose ceremony. I took them off at one point during the night, which is actually you're not supposed to do because then your feet swell. So when you put it back on, you're like struggling 10 times harder.

And I learned that that night. Yeah. Yeah, no, I kept them on the whole rose ceremony somehow, but they did come off at one point. Oh, I love that. It's truly never, nope, once they come off, you can't guarantee you'll not be able to get them back on. You need like Eps and salt. okay we're getting into this week's episode um week two you made it through the your first rose ceremony yeah and you are now about to go on your first group date what are like what were the thoughts

going through your mind um i was very overwhelmed but excited at the same time you know we got the first group date and that was really fun that i was able to see him right away because i know he was making time for everybody that week um but it felt good that i was going to be on the first one so we were already excited about moving in. And then they're like, already and you're leaving. I'm like, perfect. I'm already like, my adrenaline's already high. So I was really excited to see him and just see what we were about to do. You know, we didn't know until we got there, but the date card seems fine. Yeah. So, okay, I know that we, like, and I say we, like, I'm still part of the season. I'm obviously not. But like, and I'm sure, Michelle, you probably did this too. But like, everyone gets the

group date cards. And there's always like, there's always a hint in like the one sentence that they write to you did you guys like have any idea or like decide like come up with fun ideas of what this might be or were you guys going and completely blind oh my gosh the things that we came up with on the way were insane um i'm trying to remember what they were so sorry they were outrageous but i think we were saying it was going to be like sumo wrestling like big like oh yeah wearing those things and like we were going to do something like that or something to do with also um what's the thing where you're like on a bowl something? I don't know why that came up.

Something in the daycare, I just think that. But most I was thinking we were going to be like in those big sumo wrestling people. Yeah. Oh, that would like that. So what were your thoughts then? Like when you walk in, you see the stage and Lotto comes out. What was everyone thinking in that moment? Oh, gosh, there was so many thoughts going at once that's hard to put into words what was exactly happening.

But I think initially I was just like, holy shit what's about to happen we about to walk for us this stage are you about to walk for us the stage like she's beautiful that looks great it was so much at once but we had still no idea what we were about to do um the venue was really pretty they had all these different colors and stuff that made it really cool um but there was a lot of emotions at that point still very nerve-wracking it assumed somehow we were going to be up there didn't know how but we were going to make our way did you feel like There was going to be like, did you feel like they were pressure, like a lot of pressure on your shoulders from the guests? Um, you know, some people seem to feel that line.

So initially, like when I, obviously their icons and they're somewhat, I felt like they were coming almost to like at first give us like advice, like help us kind of get into our own and like feel comfortable being ourselves. So the pressure was I didn't really feel it necessarily. I think I was feeling more pressure of like I don't want to make full in front of it's ass. but um because i don't know if i'm going to trip on the way down that runway but um i really felt like a sense of like they were there to help us kind of so i wasn't really feeling so much they were there to like not be in our corner yeah so just to give a recap to any of our listeners who maybe missed this episode the guest judges were we had tajuan corny robinson who was from ben flannick season and then victoria fuller when those three women walked out did you recognize all three Did you need like a little recap from anyone?

I only recognize Victoria Fuller and she's because I watched Peter's season. So I was fan-girling pretty hard and not going to lie. Yeah. And then I learned who Portie Robertson and Taj 1 more later on. But I didn't initially know who they were from the get. But they seemed like just their whole aura was like, okay, I'm here and I've been here. I've been in your shoes. I'm here to help you. But also like I'm going to bring it too.

Yeah. Like bad bitches truly. Yes. Real talk, though. Real talk, though. Before that, did you consider and do you consider yourself a bad bitch? Oh, of course. Yes.

Of course. I have no hesitation. None. Yes. I mean, in this day and age, you have to as a woman to always be able to channel that energy. Absolutely. What was your favorite part of that date? Because they split it up.

I mean, you had like the dancing thing at the very beginning. the runway where you all walked out. And I think you had the cowboy hat, correct? Yeah, I did. So you had a good prop. That was great. And then you had to do like the stand-up thing where you had to go and explain like one moment in your past of like what made you a bad bitch. What was your favorite part of like those three moments? And then was there somebody else that like really stuck out to you too that you were like, oh damn, she's a bad bitch. Oh yeah. So my favorite moment actually was in the beginning when we had our dance. party. I like love a good dance party. But like we were all on the stage and Zach was like showing his side too. So that was really fun to see. Um, but that made me initially. I need to ask this. He is not a good dancer, right? It wasn't just me. You noticed it too, right? I thought it was so precious. I was like, oh my God, like I can help you. Like let's, I was standing next time. I'm like, okay, go with me. Like, we got this. Like, I let me help you. But it was cute. I thought it was endearing. A for effort. Yeah, he was trying, right? Yeah, I think we were all like so, it was everyone's first date. It was everyone's first moment coming off a night one. So it was so great for us to have that time to like kind of get into our own before we're about to go do some things that were very vulnerable.

But that was my favorite part personally. And then I would say that honestly, I was really surprised by Brianna's story. She told a really heartfelt story about how she came in. to who she is today and like you know making her own company and where she lived in different countries and stuff and I thought that was like the definition of being a fat bitch to be able to do that is like alone and to be who you are right now and for us to really like I would have never know that unless she opened up about it so I thought that was really humbling and awesome it is such a vulnerable environment where it's oh you're being vulnerable with the person that

you're seeing if there's going to be a future or you're being vulnerable with like an activity that you typically don't do, was it more nerve-wracking for you to open up in front of Zach or to open up in front of the girls? And the judges. And the judges. There's a lot of people. There's a lot of people there in the cameras, you know. You're like just a couple million people, no big deal. No big deal. All in all, I think in that moment, if I can go back, I was feeling the most vulnerable and like worried obviously with Zach because I was really because I knew there were so many moving parts, so many eyes at once, like I made it a point to only like focus in on him and like make sure I was talking only to him when I was telling my story and like intentional eye

contact and like that kind of helped me feel better and like a little bit more comfortable when I could, it helped me like block everything else out. But in a way, it was still like really scary. Right. The girls, I feel like even then, even though it looks like there's been no time past, we obviously spent like 18 hours together all night. Like we've already developed friendships. Like we had a whole bus ride there and everything. We moved in together. So I felt at ease with them too. Yeah. But yeah. It was a lot. Did you, did you have any strategy going in throughout the

day? Because, you know, sometimes like people on group dates will be like, I need to stand out. Like I need to make a name for myself. I have to do something wild. Or like, was that kind of your mindset? Or were you just like, I'm just going to have fun and see where this goes? Like, what was the strategy there. I truly just wanted to have fun with it because I felt like if I was just like being myself and having fun, then the best thing can come out of it. I think if I thought too hard, it'd probably act like a weirdo. And I know that about myself. So I was really just like going with the flow, not trying to think too much into it. Like I said, I was making like a point to only focus in on him and help block everything else out and help ease my nerves in that way. But yeah,

no, there wasn't really any strategy. You can't really make strategy at that point. Yeah. Especially when you have no idea. Yeah. You have no idea what's going on. You've never been on a group date before. Like, you're just like, whatever happens, whatever. Honestly, if anything, I was trying to play it safe,

because I didn't want it to be like too much. Right. So, yeah. Well, you conquered it regardless. You made it through the whole day portion of the group date. And then now you are heading into your first cocktail party. What was going through your head when you were going into that night? Um, going into the night portion, I would say I was really still really excited because I did have a lot of fun on that date. And I think the activities that we did kind of helped us all kind of get into our own and feel comfortable with ourselves. Because there was a lot of parts that came with it. And in turn that like made us be able to have more comfortable conversations with Zach. So I was feeling like I was about to just be able to have more serious or deeper moments with him. So,

So I was excited to just keep growing in our relationship after having a whole day like that. And we were tired for sure. But still, like, your adrenaline is running. So, like, you forget how tired you are. You're having fun. Right. So it seemed like everything was going swimmingly between Zach and his connections and his conversations with the women. And this is something too. I called it at the beginning. I loved the camaraderie between the women. It seems like you all really supported each other. And you know, you don't always see that on this show. It did. It seems very genuine. Like real friendships. So it all seemed great until Taj Juan comes in with the curveball and she ended up crashing the group date to pursue something with Zach. And I think it was Kat who came back and broke that news to you, correct?

So, like, as the group, like this collective group of women together, you know, you're already all trying to date the same man. What was it like hearing that, that like potentially one other bad bitch just came in to maybe steal him? Okay. Honestly, my first thought was like, can you come back tomorrow? Like, we're, it's really late in the night. Like, we can have a conversation about this. Like, I was just like, oh, I can't believe this is happening right now. Also, I didn't. know actually in that current moment that she was there to pursue him right like we just hear tajuan's here um and i'm like okay is this like part of the day portion like what's going on like are we

are she here to pursue him or is she here to just like come give us more foreigners like i really we didn't know at that moment until we you know went over to her and asked what was up but when she cat first told us we were all just like huh what's happening right but yeah we could have we had an idea but it was still not like not confirmed what the whole purpose of her coming was and then and and you didn't find that out until you all went to chat with her correct yeah we were like okay so well I think we were having so miscommunity we didn't know if she was talking to him and we didn't want to like interrupt you know um so we didn't know like when or how we could walk over there but finally we were all just like okay let's just go see what's going on right and then that's when

we asked her and still did it really get a direct answer it was mostly like just being told we didn't bring it so that's what i got caught like that's what i got caught off guard with and as a viewer i was still in that moment thinking that she was just coming in to give advice but even then i'm like that's not how you relay that so i'm not sure how how that point was But I'm curious of your thoughts of one, when she said her piece about how you guys performed. And then it transitions into all of you because I almost see you processing, wait, so you actually are here to talk to him. But she made this comment. She said, if you feel, and I don't know if this was an interview or not, or if it was directly to you guys,

but she said, if you feel that you're uncomfortable or if you're uncomfortable by my conversation with Zach, and that says a lot about who you are, kind of hinting like, then you're not a bad bitch, then you don't deserve to be here. But then she turns around directly says, these girls should be feeling nervous that I'm joining the competition.

So it was very, like, hypocritical because it's like she's telling you guys to not be scared and to not be threatened and then goes back and says, oh, you should be threatened. What were you just, what was your reaction about how she approached this entire situation

of coming in? You know, being a bad bitch doesn't mean you have to be mean. Thank you, Michelle. I'm really happy that that was shown through because that's, I don't know if it was caught up, but I did say something like that. I'm like, well, this isn't bad, which energy. This is like mean girl energy. This isn't really like a way in which you approach a situation, or at least I wouldn't. Actually, in those moments, too, it was really chaotic. You know, there was a lot going on. And also, she wasn't really giving a straightforward answers similar to like her almost contradicting herself. But I was trying to think, like, okay, maybe she's a little insecure. Maybe she doesn't want to talk about how she's here. Maybe she doesn't want to hurt our feelings. Like, maybe that's why it was hard for her to, I'm trying to give her the benefit of the

doubt all in all. Like, maybe she didn't want to, like, say that directly for multiple reasons. But definitely something I did when it started to process of how she was approaching it. I was like, this is just not a very good display of, like, bad energy. This is, like, kind of mean. Like, you're not really being very nice to us. you're like doing it in a way by like kind of insulting us through trying to build your relationship with him so that was but at the end of the day I mean I wasn't here to like express

myself or explain myself like she basically was trying to tell us to I think like if you have a problem with it like tell me but we were all just like it's not really worth the energy because I'm not really sure how much of what I'm going to say is going to be processed the way we're trying to say it because she was misinterpreting what we were saying and I'm I'm like, it's just not worth it. Yeah. You know. Well, at the end of the day, too, like, she can have her opinions as a judge of, like,

how you all handled the group date and, like, what the goal was. But, like, ultimately, this is Zach's, God, I hate saying journey. Like, I need a new word for journey. But, like, he's there to find his relationship. Yeah. And so he's there to find somebody at the end of this. And, like, if he liked the date and what you women were bringing to the table, like, truly that's all that matters.

And it's kind of, like, his final say. I do want to know though. So obviously we see Zach let Tajwan know that like it just wouldn't be fair to you women. He sends her home. How would you have felt though on the flip side if he had asked her to stay? Do you think that would have switched like your view of him and like what he wanted out of this? I don't think it would like it wouldn't adjust my view of who he is as a partner. I think that point in the process is still early. So if you do feel something with him or with her and she feels it vice versa, like go for it it's not my place to tell you who to not pursue at that point too i mean yeah it's not really unfair we gave up our lives a lot right now and she hasn't maybe a little bit less sleep but the end of the day this is a show about finding our husband our wife and if you feel like you could have something with that then i would say go for it also i want my partner to choose me over everything so if he was feeling like he she was the temptation and i still want him to choose me over that temptation too. So I would

want her to be there if he was feeling it in that moment. But it was like still early enough, but I don't know if it was like going to necessarily like sting so much you know, of him being on another girl. Beautiful. That's what I was thinking too. Like, thank goodness it was the very first group day and week

one. I'm like, I don't know if either of you watched Caitlin Bristow's season a couple years ago, but like Nick Fial came in. I think it was like week four. Like they had art like the team, not the team, but like the cast and laid had already been traveling like they were already in our they were already in a different city before I came in I came in on week three and then Heather came in on like week six yeah or

something like but here's the thing with Michelle like it was the group of you like a group of you where obviously it was like no but I'm saying I right but Heather Heather came in remember how Heather came in on yeah I heard of that yeah that is true she came in like week six or seven I can't even it doesn't make sense at that point to do it that is to come in that late but she kept in that's what I'm saying like

you know Matt sent Heather home um Zach sent Taj home but like Caitlin kept Nick till the end he was final two

like he's so what's so difficult in those situations to those because when you're only in front of the leads face for five

10 minutes sometimes they can't see or pick out different like um alarming things to use flags what's another word for that Becca um just you know what I mean you can it's yeah a red flag or like the caution signs right so like him keeping her even if he saw a brief connection it would also really I think like made it a lot more difficult for some of the women there to work through it because the way that she approached you guys and so then

a lot of the you guys would have been like oh so he goes for people who handle or treat other people in this manner or just communicate in this manner what all the the bad feelings but he also didn't see that part so he kind of did himself a favor for navigating it would have the way that he did i think it would have definitely been a reflection of who he wants in a person um at the end of the day you know i'm not sure what side he saw her but just yeah the way she communicated wasn't really the most nice, like the very pleasant. So it would have reflected on him on what he wants to definitely. Yeah. Okay. We were all good. Well, you were all good because you ended up getting that group date rose that night. Did you expect it? Did you think he would hand you

that rose that evening? Um, no, I really had no idea. Honestly, when he first said my name, like I didn't even hear it. Like it was like me. Um, but no, I, I definitely did not think that I was going to get that rose that night just because I mean I've grown to learn and love everyone already so and I know that everyone had some substance behind their conversation so I think everybody was on the same playing field and it was like fair game for everyone to have gotten that rose that night. It was awesome and I was very grateful and so happy and felt very validating to receive but I definitely was thinking like it could have been anybody you know. Yeah. And it was at the way end of the night everyone I was like,

me you deserve it you earn it and coming from somebody who never once got a group date rose i need to know what it feels like michel did you ever get one i'm sure you did a group day was yeah okay can you guys tell me what that feels like i'm happy to share um i think especially in the beginning and when you're on a group with you know nine or eight other girls you do feel really heard and seen. Your emotions, your feelings for him or for each other get validated. And it makes you feel really like, okay, I can continue to be myself. Like, this is working. Like, he's feeling what I'm feeling right now, especially, like, he has to compare it to the other moments that he's had to be other girls. But I'm someone that's standing out to him. And that makes me feel like more ready to

keep progressing and seeing where this goes. I would say if I could put one word, it's definitely validating to just make you feel comfortable about your relationship and keep wanting to pursue it. Speaking of comfort in your relationship. I know exactly what you're going to ask.

Speaking of comfort in your relationship. No, there's been a lot of, not even a lot, just moments in this season already that I think our fan favorites is just the real raw conversations. Helming continues to roll after the credits, the thing, talking about Kegels, now to really talking about people's comfort in their relationships with bodily fluids and functions.

Functions, fluids, ew, bodily functions. I think it's a fluid either earlier today. Where do you stand on this? Okay, well, I think we saw a little bit of where I stand on it currently. okay this is my thought like okay I'm a nurse right I can see every single thing come out of you at once and like be fine but you will just never know that that's like even happening inside of me so I don't know what it is or why but for some reason I like just the like of him thinking that that happens like makes me constant like I literally wait okay so I need to know and this is what I talked to

Michelle I mean it might have been before we started recording but like have you ever lived with a man before. I have. Okay. So I'm like, how long did you live for, how long did you live with it? All right. I've lived with him. I think we were together for like two and a half years. We lived not, we didn't love together very long. Um, like maybe like six months or so. But I'll, okay. Okay. He doesn't know this. Story time. I'm adding myself, but you know what? Whatever it's 2023. Let's do it. Um, there are ways around it. Okay. So we lived on the first. first floor apartment. Oh, my God, please tell me you did not leave every time you had to go to the bathroom.

If he was home and I had to go to the bathroom, usually I'm telling you I get constipated around the men. So it doesn't typically have to be a thing, but sometimes whatever. We lived on the first floor. It was a luxury apartment. And if I really had to go, I would go to the lobby restroom and go to the bathroom there. And I would be like, yeah, he texts me, and be like, where are you? Like, what happened? And I'm like, oh, the package thing is like, just taking a long time out. My mom called me. I'm like, I'm on a long conversation, but really, I was just going to the bathroom. Oh, my God. This sounds so exhausting. It was a, oh, my God. It was easy. It was when you're on the first floor and it was a nice place. So I kind of, like,

had my own moment. You know, it was great. Like, I can be in my own space, but he still doesn't sit that. So whatever, but there are ways for all the girls out there, they're still uncomfortable. I mean, you can definitely do it. Give it time. Give it time. here's the thing we we you want okay because I'm not gonna I'm gonna I like I feel you I get that like I can relate to that you want to be comfortable you're just not exactly oh my God I feel like I'm on a whole different page than you but I'm like so open even with my girlfriends like I was just on a weekend vacation with four of us in the same hotel room and we were so open we'd like pee with the door open we'd be like okay somebody played music we're going in the bathroom like it's just also I will say this separate battles I'll do it all all day. We can be in the same room doing all the things at once, especially on the show. You actually have to at some parts. But if the girls are fine, I don't care about the girls. It's just something. I just can't acknowledge that in front of men. And it's funny. There's always two perspectives that are always to the most extreme. But it's just something I think I'm

going to like, die on that hill with. I can't. I think I related most. Was it Genevie who was like, I'll do it. And I was like, that's my girl. I was like, I see you. But I will say like for like and i've talked actually to kately bristow about this is like having a code word or phrase just so you know where it's like i have to go walk the dog right now and the other person gets it they're like okay go do your thing see you later and like that kind of helps alleviate the weirdness it will it will but it does take a little yeah it takes a while to ease it i will say that um okay katherine we i love see i love these real conversations like real life stuff that like other people listening are like, I've had this conversation with my friends.

You know, it's, I think this is the real shit. So, um, we loved having you. I want to ask before we get into like our fun game and everything else. The last question, without giving too much away, can you tease anything fun that's about to come up on this season? Um, well, I do rebrand and I do become cat next week, um, because I look cat with a CSI girl, but she did go home and I typically go by the name cat so I was Catherine to kind of help with the confusion but so from now on that'll be me um also there's going to be some competition that result in a few injuries next week too okay wait physical or physical or emotional injuries I guess it depends on how you look at it you know

probably low yeah let's be real it's week three there's both but um so yeah there's a lot it. I think next week is going to be really exciting. It was really fun. Well, we're really excited to stay tuned and figure out what those things are. Well, Catherine, we have enjoyed chatting with you so much today. We're going to play a quick round of rapid fire questions to kind of finish everything off and to let our listeners learn a little bit more about you. So how this is going to work is I'm going to shoot you a question and you are going to answer as quick as possible. It can be short and sweet. You don't have to get any explanation. And then back and I will just go back and forth. And we'll go from there. Are you ready? First question. Are you an early riser or a night owl?

Definitely a night owl. Okay. Working nights now. Best stating advice you've ever received. I think to love yourself first. Definitely. You can't really like be able to be fully present in a relationship unless you love yourself first and understand that self-love. and that's something I've used for sure. Preach. What is your go-to pizza order? Okay, don't judge me, but it really is just like a good old classic cheese, but everybody yells at me for that.

This is great. Don't want anyone shame you. You can never go wrong. You can never go wrong. And sometimes you're at random pizza places, so. Don't want anyone shame you for your pizza order. What is one word that your best friends would use to describe you? probably resilient that's just something I think the verbiage they've used to describe me just

in all different friendships I've made that's something they've said I think I have a lot of layers that come with it so that's that's incredibly deep and then there's this next question of what is your favorite curse word I don't really want to curse right now so I'm trying to be better at it but I do love the F word, you know? Fudge, fudge. And I actually like to put twist on it, too. Like, I always like to say, what the frick? Or, like, what the frack?

I say that a lot. But it's always just somehow, like, goes well with your sentences. Okay. Do you have any hidden talents? Um, other than, like, being able to stay up all night. Um, I think I, something I said in my thing when I was casting was I can truly, um, bring in all of the groceries on one trip. Like, and I think that's a talent because you can't really just, I mean, I don't know why,

but I will never go back. I will never be a second trip, girl. Whether it's grocery shopping, whatever. It is no easy feat. It's not. Like my arms somehow extend like beyond belief, but that's a talent, honestly. You get cut from the grocery bags. You get cut for it because it is so heavy.

Love it. Congratulations off. What is the most played song or artist in your library? oh Beyonce always I can't she is I'm every single I actually her tour dates I think come out next week so I'm so excited yeah that'll be that would be good okay what is your favorite cocktail um actually my newest one is a tequila with soda and a lime and an orange but the orange is a must you have to have an orange and it's really good taking a shot of tequila

shots of tequila with an orange is so much better than with a lime. It is. And even with chocolate, too. Pickle juice is very set. With tequila or with whiskey? I've heard it with, I'll do, yeah, that's with whiskey. No, you can do with tequila too. Oh, I'm going to try that.

Interesting. I'm going to try it real nice. If you could be any animal, what would you be? Um, I'd be, okay, I love cats. So I know. Fitting. Controversal to be fitting. It is, the cat with the cake.

But I do, I love cats. I have one of my own. So that's my, definitely any and my B. They just like, they get to sleep and just like get loved on all the time. And they're smart. And they can be assholes for no reason. We just like are okay with it. So. And get away with it. Yeah. Yeah. What is the current screensaver on your phone? It's actually my cat, Sammy. Do you want to see it? She's so cute. She has her little toy. Hold it up. Look at her. Hi, Sammy. Oh, she's cute. Isn't she pretty? She's a beautiful. She's a beautiful. She's a beautiful. cat she looks a beautiful little angel i know she's like just always walking on her like tiptoast her high heels i call them she's like a queen she's precious what is um actually no if you could visit one place in the world where would it be um i really want to see mount fuji in japan i just good one that is i think it's one of the most beautiful from what i've seen can be one of the most beautiful things to view and i've always want to go to asia too so that's something it's on my bucket list for sure i love that okay last one for the game if you had oh my god i cannot talk if you had to describe this season of the bachelor in one word or one phrase what would that be um i would say

unique there's a lot of i know everyone says like different whatever um i would say it's unique i mean for what i've heard on previous seasons there are a lot of things here that are different than others, even in just the relationships amongst the women, like we're all very nice to each other. There's no real like mean girl or catiness that I can say. And then there's some things that truly, truly have happened that have really never happened. So it's going to be really fun to watch that play out. All right. Yeah. Well, we're excited as Michelle said earlier to tune in and just see how everything unfolds. See where you had, you know, if it's any indication of getting that first group date, Rose. I have high hopes for you. I feel like you're going to make it pretty far,

hopefully. So one, a couple last things before we let you go. Every week, we share a resource and then a rose and thorn. So basically the resource is just, we think it's so important to keep our listeners informed and share important topics and resources that we love. And we always share these on our Instagram so people can go back and easily find it. But I'll just kick it off. I'll have Michelle go, and then we will let you wrap that part up if that's cool with you. Of course. But the one I'm going to share this week, I actually, somebody had DM'd me this podcast recommendation, and I gave the one that they gave a specific episode, but I think every,

it's geared towards parents, I would say. But honestly, like the one that I listened to is geared towards anyone, especially people like me who are white. It's called 3 and 30 and this episode is called How to Talk to Kids about skin tone and race. And this episode, the host brings on a doctor. Her name is Dr. Lucretia Barry. And it focuses on giving children like words and tools that they can actually use to have conversations and feel confident about skin tone and race. So it's not like out of the norm for them. And even for people who are a little bit older, you know, like I'm in my early 30s who haven't always had these conversations to just have you feel more comfortable and give you a

starting point of like where you can start these conversations with people in their lives. It gives three takeaways in 30 minutes. I really urge anyone to listen to it. It's a quick listen. It's only 30 minutes, but truly so beneficial to anyone at any age. So the first takeaway is to reject the colorblind approach, which is basically like, oh, I don't see color. The doctor here basically said, like, that's not a solution. It's basically like, you know, don't cut out like what you want to talk about. The second takeaway is to normalize having these conversations and make them more consistent so they can feel more natural. And a lot of times, you know, like children, they're so curious and at such a young age, like they ask a lot of

questions and they just like notice things and say things differently than how a adults would. So to not shame them if they want to have conversations or like say something and just to be able to like construct those conversations to make them feel like they're learning something and can take that in the future. And then the third tool is to actually invest in racism, education in order to gain a better understanding. So it can't just be like a one and done thing of like, oh, I just listened to this one podcast or like I read this one book and that's it. like to continue to educate yourselves and like really dive deep into the history of racism and why it's still so prevalent in like today's society and how education can be a tool

to de-weaponize the topic of race and skin tone. It's it's so great. I will definitely two or three like I think core issues amongst everything that's been going on, especially when it comes to trying to navigate raising children, you know, in this era. And those are a lot of points that I think do need to be addressed and talked about. And I love that. That's a great tool for everybody, too. Yeah, I really enjoyed this episode. So, again, I will link that on Happy Hours, Instagram, on my Instagram.

Such a good listen to anyone at any age. So that is my resource, Michelle. I love it. I love it so much. It's such a great resource that I. I actually had the exact same one. Yes. This person, yeah, this person messaged me as well.

And I was able to actually DM back and forth with her a little bit and told her I'd give it a listen and be talking about it on the podcast. And they have so many good episodes. They really do have so many good episodes. But, you know, I'm not going to go and share the story of kind of what I talked about with her personal personal story that she was kind of talking to me about. But it really, really reminded and pointed to the fact that there are people out here who are willing and wanting to break the cycle and acknowledging that they may have grown up in an environment that isn't as progressive and that it's a lot of work, but making sure that they're passing on tools to have these conversations. the biggest thing similar to Becca what you spoke about is that we all not we all but a lot of us grew up with this whole concept of to not see color and in that message it was to really speak on everyone treating everybody regardless and that was the message but as we kind of move forward it is actually really important to see color and to see the privilege that comes or does not come with those things. things and um i loved how it was able to touch on that because it seems like such an abrasive thing like no you should see color like you but but when you're seeing color it's because you're truly

taking a step back to put yourself and learn about that person's life um or different communities of people and what pressures or difficulties that they may have so i 100% agree to check that one out um i believe i don't know if you mentioned this becca but um apple podcast i asked is where you can find that one that's where i listen to that i think that's great too because you touched on the point of like once you acknowledge if once you start acknowledging things is when you can start having some understanding and i think a lot of people of some people i've seen they don't even want to acknowledge that we did grow up in a different era we did have different views and it does take time and energy they just rather ignore it

and not want to understand or put in the work to make sense of everything that you know people are trying to express to them but by acknowledging color you're acknowledging the issues and then you can start having some understanding behind that to be able to break the norms that we've already yeah yeah in order to acknowledge a difference you have to acknowledge that there is a difference yeah right it's a really kind of thing so um cat with that if you have a resource you would like to share with our listeners we would love that as well so i do um mine is also podcast um it is called we can do hard things and the host is uh glenn and doyle she made this podcast coming off of like the COVID era and she wrote a book and everything and

basically it's centered around anybody who's really struggling with any kind of complex emotions or situations it touches on body image you know identity LGBTQ community you know all the intersections amongst people of color everything and they she brings on a lot of really amazing individuals like authors and that's also something that I've used to continue to understand myself and my situations and make sense of it and it's just a really good resource to be able to i don't know like make sense of things that are hard that we don't really want to make sense up and like use that it's a tool so that we can be able to better ourselves and it really hones on i think pretty much all the hard things that we don't really necessarily want to acknowledge and sometimes it for me personally

it was developing like self-love for like the parts of me that I don't really like and most recent one I listened to um was talking about like radical self-love and how to get that so a lot of people now are struggling with the body dysmorphia and identity and stuff like that um but it's overall a great podcast and it really can be something to use to make to make yourself feel better um and have that like self-love again and you know all the positive things that come with it but it's a tool that I use that I would love for everyone else to be more aware of. And they're also on Apple and Spotify, I'm pretty sure. And it's called We Can Do Hard Things.

Yeah, it really is like talking about hard things. Like no one wants to talk about. And I think not only is the conversation being had, but being able to be to learn about the people that they bring on, they also can teach you things too, just from their own work. A lot of them are like good authors and I've read a lot of books through it. to kind of just like do that work because you have to do work for yourself and there's no one else that's going to hold your hand you have to put in a lot of energy towards it because it is hard to make that conscious effort um but normalizing things that we don't really want to acknowledge i think is

great and that's something i think is the cool tool to have well thank you i appreciate that cat um and then before we have you go we would love if you could share your rose and your thorn so basically the rose is like a highlight so far on your time on The Bachelor, whether that was back during filming or now these first couple weeks watching it back. And then vice versa of the Thorn, which is like a messy moment, something awkward, something that you're like, oh, I wish that maybe didn't happen. So basically highlight and low light so far. Okay. So up into this point, I would say a rose would be us moving into the mansion, like when we first run in. And it really is as exciting as it seems, I'm from Florida, so seeing the mountains like be the horizon felt

like outer space. It was crazy. But you just like feel this feeling of excitement and enlightenment that you really can't express or like it's just an overall overwhelming just gratitude to to be in the bachelor mansion. And I would say that was like one of my most exciting things thus far. And then a thorn probably my like toes going up. during the first row ceremony. Like, they fully went numb. I mean, I was just not expecting that. I obviously put them back on,

but you're on that pedestal, and my toes lost full feeling. Full feeling. And I'm like, oh, God, like, why did I not think this through better? I should have worn better shoes. And it's cold at night. It gets very cold there.

Oh, I couldn't even feel anything besides. I mean, I was, my toes were falling off their hinges. It was so bad. Well, if that's your thorn, I feel like that's like a pretty, good one to have like yeah hopefully hopefully you get gained feeling back real quick but there's some more yeah there's some more things that happen later on that maybe we'll see yeah yeah well katherine it has been so much fun having you here and getting to know you a bit more we can't wait to see

where your story goes on this season so thank you no thank you guys it was so great talking to you i hope we can still continue to have girl time after this because you guys are great and I respect everything that you guys have brought into my life through this, too. So, thanks so much. Thank you. And we're always here if you need advice or to vent, ask questions, whatever. We're always here. So please, please reach out. Amazing. Okay, well, that was a good one. I liked Kat. I really do like getting to know these girls so much more, just on a deeper level. It's so much fun. Yeah, I think she'll go far. I have a feeling. 100%.

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