Bachelor Happy Hour - Kathy & Susan Dish on Bachelor Nation Engagements, Baby Names, and More | Golden Hour

Episode Date: June 10, 2026

Today on “Golden Hour,” Kathy and Susan are back diving into Bachelor Nation news and dishing out advice to our listeners. We kick things off by catching up with your favorites. From Joey Graziadei’s engagement to Kaitlyn Bristowe’s hinting at baby names, there’s lots to unpack. Then, we dive into a discussion around dating: Are you in it for the attention, or is there actual attraction there? We’re here to chat it out and give you some advice; is it time to go? Tune in now to find out and be sure to subscribe!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're here. We're back. Well, some of us are here. Where are you, darling? Oh, I am in Italy. I am on the Amafi Coast. But the last time we were together on this podcast, you... I was in Portugal.

I was in... You know, traveling is fun doing our... podcast from afar. But wait, I have to tell everybody, two things. I talked to Susan once earlier and she said, Kathy, you cannot believe how much food I've been eating. And I burst out laughing and I said, let me think about this. An Italian in Italy who's eating too much food.

What a shocker. Now, if I were there, I'd be drinking the wine. I have had the wine, but I've been really enjoying the sprits. The apparel spritz. Oh, I did those in Portugal. Aren't they great? And, of course, gelati. A lot of gelati.

Is gelati gelato? Jala? Cathy? They called it ice cream. I'm like, no, it's not ice cream. Oh, please. Bella's like, what's the difference? I can't even say hello or goodbye in Italian.

So, you know, it's all lost to me. But I have been to Positano and Sorrento with my family a few years ago. And I'm telling you, that is one of the most beautiful. beautiful places on earth. Breathtaking. So it was Portugal. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure.

But like I said, if you want to go to Portugal, step, Susan, and lots of them. Oh, trust me, there's steps here. I have videos I'll show you. And then fella caught me on the way back up. Wait, we were about to go take a boat to Pocetano for the evening last night and have dinner there. And it was a lot cheaper than a $150 cab ride,

which, by the way, I ended up doing both ways. So 300. But guess why? We go down 17,000 steps that I have videos to prove. We get there and I forgot my charge and my license in the room. I had nothing. No money. I had to come back up the steps.

You have no idea. I go, Bella, I have to pause. I can't do it. Then there's like a smooth, straight uphill after 19,000 steps. And I'm like, holding onto the wall. She took a video. I was up and puff it. It was bad.

So that's what makes everyone be able to eat whatever they want in Europe because there's a lot of up and down stairs. I was not ready. I knew Portugal was hilly, but it literally steps up, steps down, very little level ground. Same, same, same. It's Europe, I guess. Yeah, it is beautiful. Well, those cities for sure. Tomorrow we go to Capri and I get to go to the Blue Grotto one more time.

I've never been to the Blue Grotto, but I'm going to. going back to Italy. I'm going to Capri and I'm going to do that. I want to go to Sicily next. You want to go to Sicily? Yes. I've never been. That's where my son-in-law is from. Okay, let's plan it. All right. Let's do it. We'll do a podcast from there. Okay. The other thing I have to tell you, while you're partying, Hardy in Italy. With my granddaughter, my 13-year-old granddaughter. Okay. I wouldn't say party and Hardy. I'd say walking and eating and buying things. All right. All right. I'll give it to you.

But we're going next time. All right. But last night, I have to tell you, I adore Jared Freed. He was in Austin, and I went to his show. First of all, I want you to be proud of me, Susan. A lot of my friends are out of town. He said, you know, offered me as many tickets as I wanted. My family, they had things they had to do.

I invited friends. They were out of town. They were going on the lake. So, you know what I did? I went by myself. Good girl. I did. I had a blast. He is so funny. And I typically don't laugh at comedians. I don't, I sit there go, what? They're not that funny. She's one of them in the crowd. You know, you don't want her to be there. Susan, I could not stop laughing. And I'm also, I've got to tell you, you know, you always have my type is. Jared is my type. Yeah, he's adorable. He's a little young, a little young. But here's the other thing. His book that's coming out,

walking red flag that I guess is available for pre-order. Everyone needs to, I can't wait to get my hands on the coffee. I know, I know. I'm going to see him June 11th. He'll be in Philly. Yeah. He is truly a funny, funny guy. Not only does he love Bachelor and he's done so many things,

he's just that guy who is friendly to everybody. Yeah, he's funny as all get out. Anyway, it was a blast. And I did it by myself, so I think you should be proud of me. I'm very proud you went. I really am. And did we have a big week in Bachelor Nation news or what? Oh, my gosh.

Okay, let's get into all the news. The first one is my favorite, Joey Grasaday, reproposes to Kelsey Anderson with a new ring. And, of course, she said yes again. They were on a trip in Cabo, and the videos looked like he had a setup that almost looked like a, bachelor thing. He had flowers and on his knees. And what I noticed was the ring was rather large, the stone. And it reminded me of Katie and Zach, Chalkross. Katie Bigger and Zach,

he reproposed her, I think in Spain. You know what, Kathy, I think that is the most romantic thing. Because you've proposed on TV on the show itself. And this has so much. even more meaning, if you will, that they've been together a couple of years now, right? So that's what Joey said. He said, well, first of all, I just wanted to cry. He said, forever isn't enough with you? I cannot wait to make you my wife. And he said it was an opportunity to reaffirm their promises to each other.

And if, you know, ugly Kathy was sitting there thinking, you know, how damn lucky is Kelsey? She gets the guide, not one ring to. rings. Like, I only want one. He's just as lucky, though. Look at her. Right? She is a prize. I think, I think, and their wedding is in 2027.

Yeah. So maybe we'll get an invitation. I think. Isn't Charity's wedding also in 27? Yeah, apparently. It's two big ones. And this year, we're going to Daisies. I know. We're going to Utah. Yeah. What about your wedding? My wedding. Yeah, we haven't announced that.

But I can announce about Caitlin though, picking out baby names and guess what? Everybody, all the fans are convinced it involves the one and only, Zach Clark. Now she's been seen with him a couple times. There's been no formal announcement, but I know like, Caitlin is going to say. She's going to say whatever day. She's talking about her dog baptism and he's like, what? But I have to tell you, you and I think we're there together at some event. And Caitlin, if I get you in trouble for this, sorry. Caitlin and I were sitting and that's when at some event and I don't remember what it was. At the concert way up high. Yes. You were there. Yes. And Zach Brown, a Zach Brown, I wish. He just got

married to what's her name, jewelry girl. Anyway, she introduced me to Zach. She introduced me to Zach Clark, who I'd never met before. And she kind of said, oh, you know, my friend, and I looked at them and I said, because this is what Kathy does. I said, are you two dating? And they both looked at me and Caitlin was speeches and kind of got nervous and, well, maybe kind of. So I'm guessing they're still dating. And I'm guessing that, you know, she met one-and-f kids.

And, yeah. Okay. So we'll see what happens with that. Yeah. Okay. Pick it out baby names. That's all I'm saying. Okay, or maybe for the dog, who knows.

All right. The next one is Trista Sutter celebrates son Max's high school graduation. We see him all growing up in the photos. Did you see how cute? He looks just like Ryan. He looks just like Ryan. So cute. He's so tall.

He's got a beautiful, innocent face. Okay, so here's the thing. Not that anybody could ever forget, but Trista. First, first season, 2000. three, met Ryan, they've had two children. How much do you love that that woman has a perfect marriage? Well, no one has a perfect marriage, but they're happy ever after.

Yeah, and I just love that. And I just want to wish her son he's off to college. I'm not sure where, but as a former educational consultant, I am sure you picked a great school. And I wish you all the best max in your. Absolutely. And Trista is a perfect example that loved happened on TV, right? Yeah. Final rows. And they're still together all this time later, watching their first graduate.

Yeah. I just love it. I love it. And their daughter's next. I think she's going into high school. So, you know, here's the thing. Both of us have had children. Yes. These kids grew up so fast. And the high school, that four years high school is a blink. The four years of college is a blink. So get ready, Trista, because you think, you know, it's going to go fast. Four years of college is a hard blink because you're putting out a lot of money. It's a joke. You're like, when is it going to be over? But how about Jojo Fletcher? When I first heard something, I thought the worst, okay, reveals how having a baby has affected her marriage with Jordan Rogers. You hear that all the

time after the baby, things go downhill. But in this case, they couldn't even get closer than they are right now. They always did everything together. And now this baby has brought them even closer. What an awesome thing to say. I love it. So first of all, I love the baby's name, Romi Blair. That is adorable. She was born in December. And you're right. She's a judge says it brought them closer that he gets up with her at night. Anyone who has a new baby. My husband, the way, did the same thing. He got up and brought the babies to me so I could nurse. He would change their diapers. So Jojo, you've got a good guy there. He's going to get up with you at night. And I love that she said it's a daily reminder of the love you share together.

I just all this romance. It's like I love it. This is all happy news. A couple weeks ago, we're talking about divorces. So, so you know what? The summer, you know, May, we're done with May, we're into June. It's June, maybe. It's June happiness. The summer's here. It's all good news. All right, Kathy, we got some good stuff today.

This is about attention versus attraction. Okay? Yeah. We've got some good prompt questions. We're going to ask each other, all right? Okay, but wait, before we start, I read this and I thought, and be honest with with. This is, that was tough for a few of them for me. I couldn't answer. Okay, but Susan, I love you to pieces, but you self, you have admitted how many times that you are a girl who needs attention? Am I right?

Absolutely. Absolutely. So I thought, oh, this is going to be fun because I don't, I mean, everybody lost attention, but I don't need as much attention. But how do you know as much as I do or the next person? But how do you know? Because I've seen you in action. I saw you in action the last little spit. It wasn't enough attention. Can I just take the attention I'm getting now? An X that I broke up with many moons ago has moved to Ukraine and is trying to rekindle a relationship with me. Do I have all the luck or what?

All right. All right. Go ahead. They want to do the first one? Yeah. Here's the one. What's the first sign, Susan, that you're war into the attention? than they are. What's the first sign? That I'm the one that gets bothered by not having the

attention and they don't complain if they don't get it. That's easy. You know what? I'm with you on that. I mean. All right, Kathy, do you think we sometimes convince ourselves we like someone just because they like us? I can't do that. Susan, answer for me. I know I'm supposed to answer, but you know the answer. I know you know. No. What's the answer? No, you're right. Definitely not. I can't. I'm the other way. Like, I can't convince myself to like someone just because they like me. I mean, I can't. And that's happened to me a few times. And I feel badly saying, no, thank you. But no, thank you. Although, although. Or I'd be with a very rich man if I could fake. The well has been very dry for me lately. So I don't know, maybe the next one that comes along, I'm going to fool myself into believing here. the one. I love this next one. Pride is like love.

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You don't think it's a bad thing. It's human. I mean, some people, in other words, it's almost like a reassurance. I know they're thinking about me or he's thinking about me when he reaches out, whether it's a little text or a day or a phone call. No, no, no, not. If he doesn't reach out. Yes, if he doesn't reach out or check in or whatever in a day or two.

Yeah, that's not enough attention if we're in a relationship now. No. Well, I don't know. I think attention, I'm talking more, attention and validation are two different things. True, true. Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. How about if they're less available?

You know that old saying, oh, they're hard to get so you want them more? Do you feel that way? No. I never really acknowledge that thought, but I think the chase is fun. You know what? But I don't give them the chase. But in my next life, I'm going to. No, you don't.

You absolutely do not get the chase. I don't get the chase. Yeah, well, I think you have been guilty sometimes of jumping in too quickly. Yeah, yeah. I talked about that. I think that games, I just don't play games. So the attention I want, I'm not going to beg for attention. If a guy is not giving me attention, I'm not going to say to him, you're not giving me.

Although I did, you're right. I did with the most recent guy only because when he, you're, he would call, it was yop, yap, yap, and then mostly about him. But if he didn't call, you noticed. Yeah, but at the same time, the attention I want is not, is not somebody calling me and talking about them and their life all the time. No, it's the wrong kind of attention. But when he didn't call for a day or two or three, you were bothered by it.

Am I right? I mean, that's human nature. Any woman in the world would think that way. Well, I will tell you, as time has gone on, and I know you don't, you know, you've been busy, you haven't talked to your guy as much. The guy that I was dating for a very short period of time, I will say to you, the longer time goes on that I don't hear from them, I don't miss the attention because it wasn't, it's not there. Because you're not, if you don't think about it.

about them until they text or you hear from them. That tells me. Yeah, what does that mean? For me, it means I'm just not then into them anymore. Right, right. That's what happens. But it's not, it's, it's just. Do you think craving attention is like being lonely or is that too separate?

I don't know because I don't crave attention. You and I are very different in that way. I want a guy to call me, but I want him to, you know, it's not. a lot. Like, how is your day? Where would you like to go for dinner? I like, I like it. Kathy, if I may, that is attention. But what you just said, what you want. I like a guy that just call, say, how's your day? That's attention. But not, I don't need daily texts. I don't need. You don't want a daily phone call once a day. You'll go a week or not. Well, here's, that's what is. I feel like if I don't hear from a guy

in a week who I was hearing from, I feel like the attraction is diminished, probably on both parts. Like you said, Susan, that's human nature. If you're not hearing from a guy who says, I really like you, I've never met anyone like you before, I really want to get to know you,

and then you don't hear for a week. Right. You know, let's not overthink this. That's probably you're not, quite the fish in the sea that he said he wanted. Yes, right, right. I think. But I don't know.

Do you, wait, I have a question. I have a question about, so you and I date differently, clearly, and you do jump in. Have you ever found too much attention? That's what I'm curious about with you, because I've known a couple of the guys you've dated. Is there such a thing as- Controlling men, you mean? somebody controlling, was that come under the definition of attention? You might think of it that way.

I actually didn't think of it that way. I thought more of smothering, like, you know, a guy calling you and saying, where are we going? No, that's not control. Oh, yeah, constant. Constant. Is that too much attention? Is that attraction? I don't know.

I would call that abysmal. But what do you think? It could be at times. I don't know where you draw that line. Yeah, I don't either. You and I've talked about this. The older we get, it's, you know, we like sit and drinking our coffee in the morning. Like, I don't want that kind of attention. You know, I don't want to hear Revely at 7 a.m. trying to get up. I don't want that kind of attention. Well, do you feel like, Kathy, we are more attracted to people who like us? And if they didn't, we wouldn't have noticed them anyhow. I'm not sure. I understand the question. I'm not sure. I understand. In other words, you were only attracted to people who like us. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, yeah. Well, I don't know. I'm really attracted to Jared Fried and he's not interested in me. So he likes you. He likes me, but not in that way. But, you know, I asked him, by the way, you know, I'm doing what everyone says to do, by the way. I want some attention. I want some guy to be attracted to me. So everyone I meet, where's your grandfather? Where's your uncle? I don't know. I think, I think. I think. think sometimes attention, what's the word I'm looking for, Susan, too much attention is.

There's a difference between attraction, yes, attraction and attention, right? Yes, that's what I'm saying. Attraction, I can be attracted to a guy, but if he's not attracted to me, I'm not getting his attention and he's not getting mine. Say, say, for instance, we're giving somebody a lot of attention. They could get the idea that we have feelings or, you know, that we're into them just because we're giving them attention. And that's my bad, because I've given everybody attention and I always get attention. But that doesn't mean I want to hook up with you.

Right. Yeah. People read me wrong. Yeah. I think I'm, you and I are very similar in that way. We're both very friendly people. We're outgoing. But I think there's a difference.

I've been out with women. who crave attention. And so they're flirty with every guy. And then the guy wants their number and she gives them their number, but she has no attention to going out with them. See, I don't want that kind of attention. I don't want to attract people

that think I'm there for a hookup, a one-night stand. I don't want that kind of attention, and I don't want to give off that vibe, that that's what I'm looking for. Yeah, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Well, with all that, I crave attention every day of my life. I need it in my life. Call me what you will.

But I like attention. Okay, Susan, we're going to give you as much attention as you need. I'm your friend. I'm going to give you all the attention you need. But in the meantime, every week, we answer questions. I love this part. Don't you love it? We love it.

We're going to give out some more golden advice. And I think you should start us off, Susan, because you need some attention. So go for it. I'm doing it. Okay. This is from Faith, and she's from Newport Beach. I started seeing someone who is incredibly driven and successful, which I admire. But his work clearly comes first in his life.

He cancels plans a few times last minute because something came up. And while he was always apologizing, it started to feel. like I'm just fitting in to his schedule, whatever space he has left. How do I bring this up without sounding unsupportive of his career? We're going to hear Kathy's point on this one. Well, I think that you've got two things going. Susan, wait. Because I know you. How did you know? I was like, that was written for her to answer. Okay. Here's what, here's faith, what I say to you. my dear friend, if a guy is canceling plans a few times last minute, the question you have to ask yourself is why. If he says to you, I have a budget that has to be in by midnight, that's fair. I think the

question is why he's canceling last minute. And if it smells fishy, it probably is. So that's, that you have to, you have to judge the situation in the moment, right? You can, can't just say, and if it's only a few times, I've canceled. Susan, you've canceled plans last one of a few times. It does. It happens. But I think he should say, like you're saying, I have to deadline, that, that, to that, or this guy, it's so annoying, but he moved the meeting to this time.

Right. But if it's happened constantly and he's not given an explanation. Right. If he tells you that he's, you're in Newport Beach, if he tells you he's lost on the 401 and, you know, You know, you might want to rethink that. Or the 10, you know, he's driven on the 10 in traffic. Could she sit down and say it, have a conversation? You know, us in communication, that's the key.

I mean, I think, yes, of course you should have to talk to him about it. But here's the thing, girlfriend. You, Faith, are a smart woman. If you're questioning, if he's... She said, how do I bring it up? She wants her advice. If you want to bring it up, you bring it up. There's no magic here.

You bring it up. Hal, you just say, I want to talk about something. You just say, hey, you know, but I would tell you, be careful because if he's only missed a few dates for a budget meeting, his boss called him in last minute, these things do happen in people's career. Or Kathy, he's climbing the ladder and he's getting somewhere so their future could be great. You don't eff it up now because you need date. So I think you just. There's some things you have to sacrifice. Yeah. Yes, but I think. But they hang in there. Hang in there, but also it's how often it happens. babe. Let us know. And remember if you decided to get married, Susan's a wedding officiant.

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Katie says, I've been talking to this guy for a few weeks, and we have great chemistry over text and on FaceTime. But every time we try to make actual plans, something falls through on his end. At this point, we've actually never met in person. Red flag. Are you hearing the wrong? Red, red, red. Is this a sign he's not serious, or do I give him the benefit of the doubt? I just got to say one thing before you answer.

The doubt? What doubt? You've never met the guy. It's more than a doubt, Katie. All right. What do you say, Susan? Don't be available, Katie. Move on.

Don't even waste your time. No. If he wants you, he'll find you. In the meantime, move on. No benefit of the doubt. I wouldn't give him my face time three times a week. Screw you. I want to see your eyes eye to eye because I don't even know if I'm not into you yet.

She sounds a little desperate. I hate saying that. But here's the thing, Katie. Who I do? In your spare time? No. Katie. Katie, in your spare time while he keeps breaking days with you,

go ahead and pre-order Jared's book, Walking Red Flag. Oh, yes. Perfect. The tie is a huge red flag. I'm with Susan. I'll bet you, Kathy, he shared with us that something you need is in that book. Yeah. Katie, buy the book in triplicate and start reading it and take out a yellow high letter.

You're going to learn a lot. In short, dump him, walk him to the curb, kick him to the curb. Forget him to the curb. Goodbye. And like I said, if he's really interested, he'll find you. The next one we have is from Rain from Lexington. I recently found out that a guy I've been dating has a very close relationship with his mom, to the point where they talk multiple times a day and she weighs in on a lot of his decisions.

He's a great guy, but I'm worried about what that dynamic would look like long term. Is this something to be cautious about or am I overthinking it? Oh, darling, you're right on the money. You're not overthinking anything. my first thought that comes to mind, how is she with you? Does she try to tell you how to do things too? Or does she try to keep you out of the decision making when it comes to her and her son? Or does she involve you? Okay. So wait, here's where I went with this. I don't disagree with what you're saying, Susan, which is scary because you and I are agreeing a lot today. I think it's because you're in Italy. She says that every week now. No, Susan's had too much Italian food. That's what she's just agreeable tonight. Okay, here's what I would say.

I have always told my kids, look at how, my daughter, because I only have one, look at how he treats his mother. But there are limits to everything. So if he's very close with his mom and he takes a grocery shopping, takes her out to lunch, here's where my red flag, walking red flag comes in. If they're talking multiple times a day, that's a lot. That is a codependent relationship. And so I think I would be a little careful on that one, Rain.

I don't think. You know what? It may be raining on your parade sooner than you think. And just the word overthinking it, no, you are not. You're seeing it. It's real. Believe it when you see it. Yeah.

And definitely look into it. Wait, did you say leave it when you see it? Believe it. Believe it. Believe it when you see it because it's right in front of you. Me with the colored glasses. Yeah. Yeah. Susan, listen, if Susan who believes everybody has the best intentions and is all pure love and she's telling you, tell this guy to take a hike, take her advice. No, not take a hike. Not take a hike. Just get involved with the mother and his dynamics. Don't be jealous of it as long as they're including you and treating you well. No, no, no. See, I knew it was too good to be true. We are not agreeing here. If he's talking to his mother several times a day, you think I want to spend five times a day with my potential mother-in-law on the phone? Absolutely not. He's spending too much time with his mother. Yes, I agree. I agree. Too much time. So not her time.

Okay, Susan. I want to see that one. I want to see that with you. Rayne. Please text me, private message me something. I could tell Kathy how it goes. Ray, good luck, seriously, but I'm just telling you, you want your partner to treat their mother well. You don't want them having a direct line where the phone rings every 10 minutes to talk to Mark. I hear it. All right, Kathy, one more. We don't almost don't have time. Go ahead.

Oh, no, we're making time. I've been dating someone who is super affectionate. This is, by the way, from Bryce in Nashville. And I always thought Bryce was a male name. So maybe it's female here. I don't know. Okay, maybe it's both. Anyone looking for a...

Start over because you're losing people. Let's go. Anyone looking for a gender neutral name for your baby that's coming? Rice is one of them. Okay. I've been dating someone who is super affectionate and attentive when we're alone. But in public or around other people, he's way more distance. No handholding, no real acknowledgement that we're together.

It makes me feel a little hidden. But I don't know if I'm reading too much into. it. Is this a red flag? I have to say to you, my husband hated PDA, public displays of affection, hated it. He never held your hand in public? Very rarely. He hate, as we got older, but he hated. And I always loved it. I'm a touchy person. So I get it, Bryce. It made me feel badly like he was embarrassed. But it isn't some people just are uncomfortable doing that. So you've got to give your partner a little grace here and maybe I would talk with them and say, you know, if you could just hold my hand for five minutes, work into it gently because some people really are uncomfortable

with public displays of affection. And Bryce, I say, yes, it is a red flag because obviously it doesn't work for you. Kathy may be right. And I think a conversation is indeed important because I wouldn't want to go around acting like that guy's just walking down the street. And I think. And I'm going to I just so happen to know him. If he's with me. Susan, we are running short on time, but let me ask you something. I'm putting you right on the hot seat here.

Yeah, go, baby. Do you want a guy who is loving and kind, great in bed who's got his hands all over you when you're in private? Notice she had great in bed. That's always part of the deal. Wait a second. I'm saying who loves you, he's got, you know, he's got his arms around you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shows so much affection in private. You want that? Or you want the guy who's, you know, I'm saying. wanted to continue. Not that I want to be sexy on the street, but I want to, yes, I want it all. I'm, so do I, but you know what? It's called compromise. My husband didn't like it. And so very occasionally, I can't believe your husband never, ever held your hand going. I said very occasionally. And remember, we were married very young and it got better as we got older, but he was always, you know,

it was an naval military officer where you didn't show. I mean, that might be a different breed. Yeah. All right. Well, listen, these questions, we love answering them. Please submit all of your burning questions to us. All you have to do is go to bachelor nation.com slash golden hour. We want your questions, your comments, whatever you got to talk to us about. We're here. And wait until listen. Absolutely. We'll come back each week and just see if we answer yours. All right. We got our slang words, Kathy. All right. Kathy and I are back with the gals. Google it where we bring. break down slang words that people are using in dating and pop culture. Okay. I can honestly tell you I have never done this.

The first one is called dial toning, which, you know, reminds me of like a princess phone back in the 60s, you know, pick it up and listen to the dial tone, but whatever. Dialtoning is giving someone your number by ignoring when they call or text. I have never done it. Have you, Susan? Yes, I'm afraid I have. Oh, my God. You gave a guy your number and they didn't answer?

It wasn't me giving him the number, but he got my number and I did not answer it. I didn't even want to go there. Okay, but that's different than giving. And I have blocked numbers, yes. Oh, I blocked numbers, but this is specifically giving someone your number and then not falling through answering the text or answering the call. You've done that too? I've done it because I met somebody online and we really didn't exchange numbers.

I'm the type of person that said, let's meet for a quick couple calls. to decide whether we'd like to go out. So you did answer the text? It was a text. And then at the dinner, I know I'm not interested. And I was new at it. And when he asked for the number to call to set up a date, I did give it to him.

And then I blocked the number. I didn't want to deal with it. Okay. So the answer that Susan, the very short answer was, yes, I've done it. I have not. But I will tell you, I think the issue here is, I, you know, I, you've seen me cry.

I have the reputation of being this hard ass, but I'm not. Everybody has feelings, of course. I have feelings just like everyone else. And I will say to you, I feel it is less painful to tell a man I'm not into him than to do give him a number and then not answer. So for me, that's what I do. I always texted it because I was a wussy and said, I'm sorry. I just don't feel, you know, what I should be feeling to move on. All right.

What's the next one here? The next one's called cuffing season. Wanting a relationship during the colder months. Why would you want a partner during the cold and the holidays? Well, that's easy. Would you ever do this and then break up before summer? Okay. First of all, Texas is hot most of the year.

So forget that. But I will say to you, again, I'm not a therapist, but I think there are a lot of stats out there that people don't like to be alone at the holidays, particularly. Nicole, do you want somebody to snuggle with? I totally get it. You don't get a stuffed animal. That's when the people get offline, the dating sites all summer,

September, October, November, all of a sudden they're flooded with all these extra people. They want somebody to cuddle. As far as meeting somebody and hanging out with them and then right before summer break up with them, that sounds like a juvenile, more juvenile thing to me. Yeah, well, I don't think it has to do with, personally, I don't think it has to do with the colder months.

I think when Christmas, Hanukkah, New Year's, holidays, people don't, well, those specifically, those holidays. I don't think, you know, Passover or Easter is as big a deal. But I don't think those end-of-year holidays carry such meaning for most people. And I'm not saying religious meaning. I'm saying people want to do gift giving. They want to have somebody to kiss on New Year's Eve. It's a very paired up partner kind of holidays.

And you go visiting people and you get together with people. You like to have your significant other with you. Well, and I think it's just stronger at those holidays at the end of the year. Did you ever want somebody and I break up with them before summer comes? Susan, I just want somebody. I've never done that. No, I would never do that. I mean, I don't, honestly.

To me, it reminds me of more of a college. Oh, I guess it is college things. That makes sense. They want to be single, wild, and free. Yeah, they want their, you know, they want to be their. They want the bikinis. Wait, sex on the beach. It's not just a drink these days.

All right, with that being said. I don't know. Wait, you didn't answer me. Have you done it? Have you, you've done it or not? No, absolutely not. No. All right.

Well, since Susan is not cuffing and I am not dial toning, we got to end it here. Thank you all for joining us today's episode of Bachelor's Golden Hour. We've had a great time. Absolutely. We hope you enjoyed it too. Make sure to rate, review, and subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. You can follow Golden Hour on social media at Bachelor Happy Hour and at Bachelor Nation. And we'll see you next time.

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