Bachelor Happy Hour - Kathy & Susan’s Crash Course on Aging | Golden Hour

Episode Date: December 11, 2025

Today on “Golden Hour,” Kathy and Susan are having a vulnerable, honest conversation about aging. With decades of lived experience between them, they’re sharing what they’ve learned and everything they wish they’d known sooner. When you become the maker of your family’s traditions, how do you shift from collecting to curating? What does legacy really mean? What is the key to anti-aging? And how do you navigate the moments when your body and mind start to change? It’s a big, sometimes intimidating topic — and Kathy and Susan are here to walk you through it with heart, humor, and hard-earned wisdom. Tune in now to hear all this and more, and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm a busy bee. You know, I was out blowing leaves again today. There's still some left. Christmas is almost here, Susan. You can't be still doing leaves. I didn't want stragglers around because then in the spring I get, you know, crazy. Can I just tell you the colors are just starting here? Really?

Yeah, in Austin, we don't get much color, but it's real, I'll send you a picture. It's really pretty. But I've been trying to get ready for, I can't believe Christmas is a week away. I can't believe how fast the years are going, okay? I know, I know. the years. My ex-husband turned 69 this month. That means I'm right after I'm in March. I'm like, oh my God. You know what, Susan? Sixty-nine turns to 70 so quickly, but just remember what we always say. Aging is just a number. Your birthday is just a number. It's a birthday full of surprises.

All right. So should we get into today? We're going to actually, Kathy, all about aging today. I know. It's perfect. What a great segue. Right. Let's dive in. Okay. The first one is processing change. What's important at your age? I think change is the hardest part. The mirror doesn't lie. Well, you're talking about physical changes? Yes. Yes. Okay. I remember I called you that day and said, what? When did this happen? My back looked like a sharp pay. I was trying on a dress. In the back, I go, I have a short price.

When did that happen? So is, are you saying aging is the most important thing? Your physical aging at your age? Well, that's what we're talking about aging. Well, there's a lot more to aging than physical change. Yes, yes, true. But that's the first thing that came to mind, how I feel and how I look and how what I can still do and what I struggle to do. So, okay.

So I'm with you on some of that. I mean, I look in the mirror every day, and, you know, after 70, I wake up and, oh, that didn't hurt yesterday. But, you know, lotion, motion is lotion, so I keep moving. But you know what? I'm, especially at holiday time, I've been thinking, and I don't mean to sound morbid because, you know me, I'm not. I'm so happy that I'm alive and I enjoy every day. However, I've been thinking about, as I was putting out things for the holidays, which things, what kind of things I want to pass along.

And that's changed for me because when you're younger, or at least when I was younger, I spent many years collecting, many years building, China, silver, amassing bed linens, you know, all the furniture, all the stuff. It comes down to stuff that we amass. And lately, and it's sort of hyper noticeable now because of the holidays, you know, what do I want my legacy to be? What do I want my kids to remember? What things, what holiday

traditions, what things in my life are important for me to pass along? And just the other day, I was going through some things because Kyle and Candy are taking a piece of furniture that I have because, you know, I don't need all this furniture. And this is part of aging. You start realizing what's really important in life. And so in this secretary that I'm giving them, there's my grandfather taught Chaucer at Smith College. He was very well known in his time. And I have all this memorabilia

that I had to take out of this desk. And so my grandfather's textbook on Jeffrey Chaucer, that was his specialty teaching Chaucer. And his book, with all his annotations are in there, my husband's mug from the ship he served on in the Navy, the USS Canopus, all these things that had so much meaning that if I were to die tomorrow... Do you think your kids would appreciate them? That's what is...

Part of what I'm realizing is aging... Well, part of what I'm beginning to think that I never thought before is part of aging is imparting to my children the important things that were in my life and my grandparents' life. Because otherwise, you know, if I kick the bucket tomorrow, my kids would not know these are my grandfather, who was a famous man in his time. I have his Shakespeare books with his annotations, his Chaucer book, like all these things that I think my children. But that was of great interest to you, is what I'm saying. Well, and it may be to my children because it represents family.

It represents the passage of time. So do you want to tell them about it? Do you want to talk about it? There's no question. I absolutely. I'm sharing with my kids the Christmas ornaments, where they came from, which ones had been. I did that a couple of years ago. And I'm realizing that those things that are, that's a form of change. Yes, we physically change.

But part of the change is I won't be here forever. And I said it's not morbid. But I want my kids to have an understanding of the history of our lives, the traditions. And this time of year, I'm feeling it quite strongly. What about you? And relationships. Let's talk about that friendships that have changed, that I go over in my mind, wow, I haven't seen so and so.

And maybe it was by choice. but friends that, we're still friends, but we don't hang out or call each other anymore. And they go back from grade school. You know, I just missed two reunions this fall, and I was so bummed about it, and I had weddings on both days. However, watching everybody get together and see how things change. Well, so there's two things I'm hearing, that friendship, change, but also the composition, if you will, of the friendships change.

But I'm also hearing, I think, that volumes of friends aren't as important. They aren't to me. Quality friends are important to me now. I know a billion people. Right. Because we've lived long lives, so we have lots of people that have come in to our lives, you know, that old expression. And to be honest with you, Kathy, the way I think changed.

tell me what i used to think a certain way and i'm still pretty carefree that's that's who i am and i'm a dreamer and i think all positivity however some things i would think more about that aren't as important are you about with your friends or yourself with with life with everything yeah well i just i i agree with that i think we that's aging we become easier we're not so rigid and most things except for you cleaning your house. But, and that's never, you'll be, you'll be from the casket. My personality will never change. But I, I, I've noticed, your personality.

Well, you can. I've noticed that my friendships, I now choose who I want to spend time with. Well, that was my point. Yes. I chose not to be negative people. And it took a long time. It's not even that. It's just, I, there's friends.

Takers, negative. steal your energy. Like I can't be around people like that. I don't disagree with that. But I'm talking about friends that I genuinely like. I'm putting the positive spin on this, which is I love these people. We had great times together. But now if I talk to them once a year, like this year, I'm sending out Christmas cards for the first time in probably 10 years. They'll get a Christmas card. But I don't feel the need to engage with every friend on a regular basis. I have certain friends, you and Nancy, which is so interesting because you are two of my newest friends, but I care so deep, well, that you are. We lived a lot of life before we met each other,

but I care deeply about both of you, and we all know secrets and deep thoughts about each other, and those are friendships I nurture because I want them in my life. Now I'm not as interested in having volumes of friends as I am in having deep relationships. relationships with fewer people. Absolutely. I mean, I don't think I was ever interested in having volumes of friends because you can only, I'm not an octopus. I can't do it all, you know, and then you hurt people's feeling.

Well, I'm in different levels, Susan. Yeah, well, no, granted. You know, and so that circle for me has become smaller. And I have friends I golf with. I have friends that I play Mahjong with, but I don't see them all the time. I don't call them like I check in with you. and some of my friends here. A lot of my friends live out of state now.

You know, you have to plan a visit. Like, I want to go see Lori. She has a beach house here. She's here in the summer, and I see her often. But now she's in Charleston. Right, right. On the river, we got a boat. When are you coming in?

This is her second. I don't know, but you're bringing me when you do go. Lori, I'm coming with her. Just FYI. Hey, everyone. It's me, Katie Couric. Did you know that I recently joined Substack? It's where I'll be sharing my understanding.

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I was going through a walk in my neighborhood. Out of the blue, I see this huge sign next to somebody's house. The sign says, my neighbor is a Karen. Oh, what? No way! I died laughing. I'm like, I have to know. You are lying.

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to the next thing. Where when I was younger, you know, the old expression, do you want to be right or do you want to be happy? I wanted to be right. Now I want to be happy. So, oh, well, that's not going to work. We'll do it anymore. But it doesn't have anything to do with like controlling the situation. It has to do with aging. I realize

what's important for me. It's just not important. It's so much of what, as a younger person, I obsessed about, I dwelt on. You know, know what? It's just not that important. And I wish, you know, I've always said to you, I wish

that youth is wasted on the young. If I knew then what I know now. Yeah. And so I think I think that's one of the joys of getting older. I think when I look back at my grandparents, for example, we used to do fun things like cook and bake and work in her garden. She taught me, my grandmother taught me all about daffodils. My other grandmother taught me how to crochet and knit. I was like, now I realize that, you know, the quality time spent with people is far. And how about how things change, too. Like being on my nana's apron string, making homemade spaghettis and the dough and the

flour and all that, you wouldn't find somebody doing that today, unless you're in Italy, of course, you know? I don't know. My grandmother, I put aprons on her. We bake. My point is, I think as we get older, we learn that the relationships with our family, our children, our good friends, that's what sustains us, not wasting time on superfluous things that just don't matter, at least for me, that's what I have found.

And watching the young people now and what they do or don't do and compared to what we did and didn't do, what? Well, but the world's a different place, Susan, the tech not. We've talked about this, AI, technology, cell phones, everything is at your fingertips. You don't have to work as hard. And in fact, I think as I age, I see interpersonal relationships not as strong because people are online. It's a text. It's not a in-person visit.

Not real life. Well, it's real life. Well, it is. But getting out in the world, like I noticed people can't hold great conversations because they're tied up with their phones. or especially young people, they don't know how to have a conversation. Right, but you know what, you know what? But you can text one or email something. This is like people, you realize we're getting to the age now, Susan,

where when people were like, why would I buy that card, you know, with the Edsel, why would I do that? I got a horse and bugging. It gets me there just fine. It's called progress. It's called evolution and jump on board. No, not me. I want the hot car.

Okay, what about, what about, I'm a few years older than you. and we touched on this, what about changes to your body? And I'm not talking about the saggy Sharpay back necessarily. Why not? That's the part. I've never had that in my life. Well, I'm talking like, do you wake up with aches and pains in your back, your knees? Some days.

I have arthritis in my fingers. I used to love, Susan. I used to love, I have a jewelry box full of rings. As everyone knows, I do love myself some jewelry here. But I used to love rings and I wore them all the time. And you rarely wear them now. I still have silver rings that I wore in high school, but now my hands aren't as pretty as they used to be because they're arthritic.

But you know what? It's all about the way you choose to look at it. I am grateful. These hands work. I can needlepoint. I can play sports. They're not pretty to look at. And that's another benefit of aging.

And you can't button something. You can't do those little tasks that open the jewelry. I'm always doing that. But I remember. Yes, all those are true. But can you have that fixed? You can't have it fixed. No, I mean, you can have artificial joints put in.

But, you know, I try to hide my hands now because I don't think my hands and the way they look reflect my energy, my personality, and who I am. Well, that's like, well, one good thing I will say, I love having my senior discount. Oh, Susan, of course. We're all going to the movies, Lottie, and I'm my cousin. And we're going, and we're getting cheap popcorn. We're going to see Wicked, the second half, and Lottie goes, I got our senior discals. Have you seen the new movie? I hate you.

I haven't seen it yet. It's going to be next Saturday. Next Saturday. All right, here's quite, this is a serious one, though. Yeah. We all talk, not just you and me, I think most people our age, talk about being seen, being visible. When did you first notice the world started treating you differently due to your age? I haven't.

I think some people might think to be more polite because if not, I'll holler at them. I still do that like at the wah-wah when you don't hold the door open for an elderly person. Not me, the older person that was coming in. And I'm like, that's rude. But I don't feel like I'm being treated different because I guess of my personality. I'm alive. I'm outspoken. You know, I didn't get that yet.

I think it's a continuum. I think it's a spectrum. I think you're right. You and I are out there. We have fun. We say our mind. We're energetic. We get out and do physical things.

So I think it's a little bit, it's going to happen a little later for us. But I've noticed particularly, I would say, in the dating world, I'm a little bit more invisible now than I was. Oh, in the dating world. Well, that's, as we age, that's one of the things. It's the number, once again, that number, when you're, like, for instance, on a dating app, if you put that number down, nobody's going to look for the top number. They're going to look for the bottom number. Well, that's right.

But if they knew us, it would be a totally different story. Right, but I do think, I do feel, I know, Kathy and Invisible is an oxymoron. I just, you know, that's not happening. But I do feel that I have to work harder. Let me say this. I have to work harder to be seen in a general way in the dating world. Professionally, you know, I'm retired. Work harder how?

Like what could you possibly, you mean on a dating app or in life? Both, although I'm not on dating apps right now. Okay, so why would you work harder and walking around life? I want to bookmark dating apps because I'm coming to. right back to that. So put your finger on your nose. In life, I'm saying as I've aged, I have to work a little bit harder.

I'm going to go out and kayak. Those kinds of things, physical changes. To be seen, it's a little more difficult. I'm not going to go hang out at a bar like I would have. Well, that's aging. If I were younger, it would feel more

appropriate. I feel that the window closes a little bit about things that you can reasonably do. And for instance, I like to dance, as you know. And for me to go dancing, it's impossible. There's nothing for people. I look like, you know, an old head coming into a young person.

Well, that's what I'm saying. As we age, our opportunities look a little bit different. I hate that part. Well, so do I. We should have a nightclub for seniors, you know. Oh, God, that sounds horrible. A dance club. Yeah.

I always wanted to do that. Naples. We're going, Susan. We're going. Okay, but I want to get into this because you and I, on Golden Bachelor 1, me on Paradise, many of the young ones have coupled up. That's clear. They found people.

They're there together. But I feel, I don't feel, it's clear and obvious that the golden men have had, If we're just talking dating, they've had so many more opportunities. And why is that? I'm going to go with the simplest reason is women get into men's DMs because women are younger. Men go after younger women. But I feel like men as they age. They don't know what a DM is.

They don't. So in dating, I think, plus there's more single women after a certain age. So, you know, the odds are against us. But I think men work longer. You see men, how many of the women were retired in our season and how many of the men were retired? Of course, they were younger. They're younger.

Yes, you can't even count that because they're younger. Well, but they're... You know, in my 50s, late 50s, early 60s, yeah. Everybody's still career. So do you think other... I'm still working. Do you think other than dating? because of the ease of technology of women sliding into men's DMs.

Other than that, do you think that golden men are treated differently than golden women? As far as dating or as far as... Just in general. Just golden men are treated different than golden? Are looked at differently. Are treated? Are they treated differently? it depends on how they're carrying themselves and that is the point i think that i think i don't know

we can be old really quick and put the moo-moo on and lay on the couch in the afternoon and take a nap and cook and have the kids over once in a while never go out and enjoy life you got to push yourself you got to get out well and so i don't know i i'm i'm going to take the i'm going to take the old susan approach and say both because i think golden men that let themselves go You know me. I call them the used to guys. They used to play tennis. They used to swim. They used to ride bicycles. And now they sit on the sofa drinking beer. But women do it too. Hey, everyone. It's me, Katie Couric. Did you know that I recently joined Substack? It's where I'll be sharing my unfiltered conversations with the people everyone's talking about. Journalists breaking news, politicians making it, actors we can't stop watching, experts, and a few unexpected voices. who just might change the way you see the world. I'll also share what I'm reading, what I'm watching, what's making me roll my eyes, and what's giving me hope. It's a little news, a little opinion, and yes, the occasional curse word, because, let's

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The sign says, my neighbor is a Karen. Oh, no way. I died laughing. I'm like, I have to know. You are lying. Humongous, y'all. They had some time on their hands. Listen to Reasonably Shady from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the Iheart

Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. A lot of things that I used to be able to do that I can't. I don't feel safe like downhill skiing. I'll never get on skis again. Oh, I will. My bones break too bad. Well, can I just? because you kept up with it.

Can we, no, I have not skied in three years. Here's the difference. Three years, Kath. We're talking three years. Yeah, well, that's a lot. Here's the difference where before I would go down double black diamonds, I never did moguls, and go down easy black. That is a double black diamond, a mogul.

They're on double black diamonds. They're on diamonds. They're on blues, too. But I'm saying to you, I, that is a choice, right? I'm not stupid. I'll go out and ski, but I'll stick to blues and maybe some. double blues, you know, advanced intermediate. But that's my point is get aging is not just a figment of our imaginations. There are physical changes. There are mental changes. Like I can't

remember, I can't remember yesterday's news. But I think the important thing is, and I think you and I do such a good job of working to be the best version of ourselves at the stage of life we're in. And I wish that more people would work hard to be the best version of themselves. Instead of letting themselves go and feeling depressed or invisible, you know, that word that came out. Right. And that's where I was going. I think sometimes we are our own worst enemies. We let ourselves go.

We're hardest on ourselves. And we wonder why we're invisible. Well, you're invisible because you've given up on yourself. And I really wish that people would invest as we. age. You don't have to invest in your children as much. You don't have to invest in a career, but we should be investing in ourselves. But it's hard sometimes, especially when you don't have a lot of friends or people to go do something with to encourage you, whether it's go to the gym or I just found out there was a, you go and you pay $75 and you'll have a cheeseboard or

whatever and you pick out your grapes and they will make the wine for you go back i think a year later or whatever it is to pick up your bottle of wine but it was something that i would enjoy you're tasting wine you're tasting grapes you're learning about you know what you're saying susan you're saying i was just going to say you're saying right there never stop learning never stop enjoying life. And I think that's what aging, that's why you and I are holding the banner for changing the definition of aging. Because we can't stop time. But the problem, Kathy, is getting somebody to go do it with you. People were not going to go do that on their own. You know what I'm saying? It would be more fun to have a girlfriend with you

or a guy. And I think as we age, sometimes, you know, I've noticed, you know, most of my friends are a lot younger than I am because the people that are my age are used to. of people. But I think that engaging and doing those. Being a part of something. And trying new things. I think sometimes we are our own worst enemies because we say, oh, I know my sister will say occasionally, I'm old and I jump down her throat every time she says that. Wait a minute. Kathy, it's funny you're saying that because when you came back this year, you said, wow, I saw so many changes in my sister. I did. That was just this year. It was. And, you know, what she's 11 months older than I am and I see her she gets angry when I say it but I you know

she's happy and good for her everyone has to do what makes them happy but I think I guess what I'm saying is you can't have it both ways you can't say aging sucks if you allow yourself to age there's enough things we can't control right we can't control our boobs hang into our knees unless you have a, you know, a breast lift. We can't, we can do physically, we can change ourselves. We can't help it. I can't help the arthritis, right? I can't help it.

That's what it is. But I can sure as heck make sure I'm getting out being as active and meeting new people and doing things. And that's what keeps you young. Other people don't have that. They never did that that wasn't their thing. So for you to tell them to do that, and that keeps them. better, healthier, active. They're not active people. Do you know what I'm saying? So they're never going

to grasp that at this point. I disagree. I think we always have personal choice. I think, you know, people were talking, a friend of mine was talking the other day about, you know, it's coming to the end of the year and oh, here we go with New Year's resolutions, which I never make. Because, and she was saying so many people say at this time of the year, I'm going to go during the gym. I'm going to go to the gym in the new year. I'm going to eat this pound of cookies and fudge now, but I'm going to die in the new year. Or quit smoking at midnight, yeah.

Yeah, exactly. But you know what? Everyone can change, including you and me, by the way. We can make a decision right now to change, to have a more positive outlook, to take up a new hobby, to get out and meet people. I'd like to play more golf. Yeah. Well, you and I need to move closer together because you and I are about the same level of golf. But do you know what I'm saying? It's up to us. So I'm beginning to bristle, I guess, is where I'm going with this, at people saying aging sucks. Aging sucks if you let it suck. If you let it take you down like anything else, it will. I'm not letting it take me down. You still think it sucks. It sucks. I forget things. I'm more forgetful. I'm not as quick as I used to be. I'm a big time multitasker now.

Look at the, yes, but look at the knowledge we have. Look at the things we don't have to worry about anymore. I mean, raising children. We don't have to worry about retirement. We still worry about them, though. No, but they're not our responsibility. We talked about that earlier. We don't have to worry if we're going to have a roof over our head next year.

We don't have to worry if we're going to get fired from our jobs. We have the grace of, well, Which is huge. So I guess what I'm saying is aging ain't all bad. It ain't that great either. Listen to you, Miss negativity. And I'm not, you know me, I'm miss positivity. But aging, I'm fighting it every step of the way.

I'm not throwing in the towel by any sort. I'm not either. But it is not fun. It takes a little bit of fun out. Well, but you know what? Life isn't all about fun either. I don't know. I would swim in that ocean to the life.

Until the life guard would blow now, I think there's sharks out there. I still go out, but not quite as far. I can't believe you just said that. The risks aren't as much, I guess. Real quickly, wait a second, real quickly. That's so funny, you said that. I was sinking the other night, walking down the street, going into New York City, when I was younger, whatever, now it's like when I go to the grocery store, you know,

I walk with, I walk with, I'm powerful, don't, you know, like, I worry. a little bit more about those things. Yeah, I might fall or somebody might come and, you know. I don't think I could run again. Like I was like so bad there for a while. Like, oh my God, if I had to run and now, you know, I've moved myself around a little bit. I started exercising a little bit. Yeah, well, by the way, Susan, in the new year, your news resolution that starts today before the new year, get moving.

I don't stop, but that's not exercise. you're right weight bearing and for me kathy and i you'll probably say that's an excuse and everybody listening do you make excuses like i do because i can't find the time my schedule every day and people have said to me quite a few actually you know now that you don't have as much going on you're not in a salon full time like what do you do with yourself every day and i'm always saying i'm crazy Can I tell you? I'm going to tell the world what Susan does. First of all, she blows leaves every day of the year. That's number one. Number two, she's cleaning the floor that she cleaned 10 minutes ago. And the third thing she does that irritates the tar out of me. When we're talking on the phone, Susan is shopping on the internet. I can hear the click of her fingers. And I know. That's because I'm looking for Christmas presents right now. No, no, no. Yeah, that's her excuse today. That's something I want to change. Stop overspending for Christmas. You know what? It puts me in debt.

Can we talk about that for a minute? How many people out there go into freaking debt because of how I used to be? Like I was the mom that would wrap. Like if I bought the boys a sweatsuit, well, the top would go in one box and the bottom and the other. They would have piles to the sky so it looked like a whole lot. And that never left me. Now I started with my grandchildren.

I'm like, whoa, things are expensive. I'm going to chalk this up to aging, and you're going to, I'm not trying to be a jerk here. I've realized all that stuff is not important. I mean, I bought my grandchildren gifts, and I asked their parents, you know, what they would like to have. But I'm much more about experiences now. I am much more about spending. I don't think she knows, but I'm taking with my daughter-in-law, my granddaughter, it made me cry to the nutcracker. because I did that with my grandmother

and I took my children and now I'm getting to take my granddaughter. Is that going to be one of her Christmas? Is that going to be one of her Christmas presents? I don't care. They don't even remember. I know. Bella, I'm taking to Paris this year, as you know.

So that's, you know what? That should be her Christmas present. They're teenagers. They're trendy. Mimi, can I get this? Can I mostly clothes, clone, a little necklace. I know.

They got parents for that. I'm saying as I age, this whole thing has been about aging, my thing is not buying stuff for my time. It's time. It is quality time with my grandchildren. A memory, making a memory. Right. When you're gone, they'll think back and go, I remember when we did this.

Right. And that's part of aging too. That's another benefit. Again, for me. That's a good side of aging. Today we did the bad side. That's another podcast. Maybe we'll touch on the good side.

Not the good side. Getting out and getting physical activity, trying up new hobbies. Like people, when I go to Texas, you don't understand. You're going to walk today? I'm going to walk today. And don't I, Kat. She's always impressed, except she had me talking, going uphill on the way home. Oh, stop complaining.

You guys try to talk. And, you know, Ms. Questionaire over here, that's all she does is ask questions. So you're constantly answering a question. So you're talking. I couldn't breathe. And she goes, you want to? it further? Do you know why I ask questions? Because if you're

asking questions, you're curious, you're learning, and that's how you stem the aging process. I know, but I'm your best friend, Kat. Cut me a break one day. Just don't ask any questions. Just shoot the shit. Oh my goodness. We can just go on forever. But we can't

because Christmas is coming. I have to go bake. She's going to bake again. You better bring me that egg all right. I'll send you. All right, with that said, that does it for today's episode. I hope you guys enjoyed it. And send us a note, send us a topic, and trust me, we'll cover it. That's the end of today's Bachelor Happy Hour's Golden Hour. Thank you all for joining us.

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