Bachelor Happy Hour - Katie Maloney on Her Next Chapter

Episode Date: May 24, 2022

Becca and Michelle welcome one of their favorite reality show queens, “Vanderpump Rules” star Katie Maloney, to this week’s “Bachelor Happy Hour”! Katie discusses how she plans to approach the newest season of “VPR” as a single woman, the importance of listening to your intuition, and her goal of supporting women-owned businesses through her future sandwich shop, “There’s Something About Her.”  Plus, Katie and Becca bond over their shared experiences of ending a relationship in the public eye, and Katie reveals her favorite moments from her recent trip to Italy for Stassi Schroeder’s wedding.  Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode. See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm incredibly excited to talk to this person. If you watch the show Vanderpump Rules, I know I have, Becca, have you watched Vanderpump Roles before? Oh, yeah. I'm not caught up on the cruise. in seasons. I hate to admit that. But yes, I have watched my fair share of the rules back in my day. Absolutely. And so we'll be talking to Katie Maloney and I'm excited. I'm so excited. And I, and this is actually perfect timing because if you follow Vanderpump Rules, you follow any of the

cast. Stasi, one of the cast members just got married in Italy. Katie was obviously there as one of the bridesmaids. So I can't wait to catch up and get all the tea on that. And, And I do have to say, I was actually just thinking about this when you're talking about Vanderpun rules. I remember it was one of the first times I ever came to L.A. Right after my season, I was doing a press round there. Did you go to the restaurant? I did actually go to the restaurant, but as we were driving by, and we saw Ken Lisa Vanterpum's

husband walking out holding, I'm assuming it was going to see at the time. He was holding the dog, and he opened up. his car door to get into the car and hit himself in the face with the car door. And I wish it was the one perfect moment in time that I wish I would have had my phone out and was recording this because not only was I starstruck, but I was like, he's a celebrity. They're just like us. And so, yeah, it's, I feel like I'm having self in the face with the car door just like we do. Just like we do. And, and I feel like now this is really a come full circle moment for me in the world of Vanderpump rules. Could you imagine if, you know, like, how at the end of every episode for The Bachelor and Bachelor and Bachelor, like, they have, like, those wonderful bloopers and the blooper rules. I feel like those are always the highlight. Oh, definitely. That would definitely be the Vanderpump Rules blooper for an episode.

Definitely. I would love to see that. Oh, my gosh. Hopefully he's okay, though. I think he was fine. He made it into the car. He's still alive and kicking. I don't think it was too traumatizing for him, but it was a, a,

special moment for me when I, one of my first times in L.A., and that's what I remember. But, yeah, it'll be a fun episode. But before we bring Katie on, Michelle, what's new with you? Catch me up. How is your week been? You know, it's been a pretty chill week here. It's been wonderful weather. I've been able to get out on the lake a little bit so you can just, I mean, Minnesota, Lake Life has been amazing so far already. And so it's just, it's so nice. It's so nice. um my my fifth graders we are moving into our puberty unit so that is great that's going wonderful um but i'm i'm excited because after this episode i get to take off and visit ryan claytor one of my girls that i met on math season and we're going to spend some time in

virginia so oh that'll be fun is that where she lives yeah so people can't we people have been sending me their their tic talks that they want us to try oh my gosh, we'll enjoy it. And you're just there for a long weekend? Yeah, just a long weekend. Just a little bit. Yeah, this girl time and just, I don't know, you know, get away for a little bit. Yeah, you need it. I want to go back to something real quick, because you briefly mentioned Stasi's wedding, and I feel like there's been, I mean, we talked to Hannah G. about her wedding planning, right? And all that was going on. And then we have Stossi's wedding take place. And then we have Jojo's wedding taking place. And it's like, one of our own. Oh, so much love in the

air, and I saw so many pictures. It looked absolutely beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. Shout out to Jojo and Jordan. Congratulations on your beautiful wedding. You both looked absolutely stunning, glowing, so happy. Yeah, I love seeing the photos. And of course, we do have our bachelor's group chat that we always congratulate all the girls. And we, of course, threw it out to Jojo, but here, too, for all of our listeners, show them some love. It was beautiful. I think, and I think they're on their honeymoon in Greece right now. So hopefully they're able to relax and just get off the grid for a little bit. And did you see that dress change? I did. Okay. Okay. Are you pro dress change? Like, are you planning to have a dress, a dress change at your wedding? Oh, I don't know. Honestly, like,

I'm all for it. I, you know, it's your big day. So do whatever you want. I, you know, I grew up in dance. And so I loved the costume changes for each, each little number. So I'm like, if you want one for the ceremony and then for the reception, do it. 100%. Also, I mean, and her, both of the dresses were beautiful. But I can see why the first one that she wore to the ceremony would be very difficult to move in dance. And it had quite a long train. So I do understand why she wanted something a bit easier to move in.

Absolutely. But after even like going through being a bachelorette and like you doing Bachelor Live on stage, like for every single piece, like you change. like you changed your dress. So why change that once you get to a wedding, you know? Yeah. I'm all for. And especially like I love to dance. I want to be able to move and mingle and hug and I don't want to have to feel constricted. And so yeah, you know, do do you. I know Rachel, Lindsay, when she got married, I think she had the outfit change and she actually wore like, yeah, this cute little romper number underneath. What about you? Do you want to do, I'm going to call it a costume change, but a dress change?

Yeah, I can see. Yeah. I could see because I could see myself like going when you go dress shopping, right? I'm sure I feel like all the girls have briefly at least thought about going like the day that you go dress shopping. I feel like it's going to be really hard to choose just one. I feel like what if I fall in love with two? And like this is the perfect reason to get both. Yeah. You know?

What's your big day? It's like the one day that you can go all out as much as you want. And the only thing that sucks, I think, is like wedding dresses. seems so expensive that to buy two of them I'm like oh does that make sense for only one day but yes it does you boo-boo it's all about the memories at this point okay truly and and the photos I mean yeah like is if there's variety I'm all about it so I think we just will have to have Jojo on one of these days to catch up with her when she's back from yeah when she's back so uh I'm so happy for them so much so many weddings I feel like so many people are getting engaged

so many upcoming weddings it's just you know and love is in the air this year it's a good year so far it's in the water somewhere and also too so many of my friends right now are getting pregnant or about to have their babies i'm like something definitely was in the water but it goes in phases it's like i was just talking to somebody about this the other day how okay when you're in high school and all that you remember those weekends where you would have like 15 graduation parties to go to that weekend right and then you're friends go through college and then that whole phase and then everybody gets engaged at the same time everyone gets married around the same time everybody's starting to have kids you know it's just it's it's

that segment it's it's either you really really single or really not single yeah I know I know I remember like for all my single friends I went through a phase when I was I think 25 26 when the first half of my friends were all getting married and I felt like I was going to wedding after wedding bachelor's party after bachelor's party and now it's happening again so it's like mid 20s early 30s where this is happening i'm like thomas and i sat down the other day and we're counting how many weddings we have to go to in the next year and i think we have nine and of those nine seven of them are outside of california like we have to travel somewhere it's crazy oh my gosh but that's i feel like that's so much fun too especially like when you have a significant other and like i feel like that's

just really hard to be in a bad mood when you're at a wedding and like you're around all that love and everything like that and it's just and it's on vacation a wedding and it's on vacation so you get to travel and all of that but a lot i completely agree so many of my friends have gotten engaged or even before i went on to be the bachelorette so many of my friends were in serious relationships and it's so weird because it was like i thought at that point like i thought i had met my person and it didn't work out and so i was going through like oh my gosh all my friends are in serious relationships and like they're about to get engaged and like I'm going the opposite direction and then of course I become the bachelor at meet Nate get engaged in like less than 90 days

and I'm like ha ha suckers like I caught up and I passed you. Have I asked you? I mean I know we've talked a little bit about like any future wedding plans for you but have you and Nate talked about where you actually want to do it like would you do it back in Minnesota? Honestly we're we're really open to it because we just have so many friends and family that's all over And so it's like, Minnesota is kind of the middle ground sometimes between Canada and Minnesota. I guess not really. I don't know. Like, we just, wherever the most amount of, like, family and friends are going to be able to travel to.

So, yeah. Yeah. It's still in the works for sure. I can't wait to see and hear more whenever you guys get started on that. But Michelle, I think it's time that we bring on the woman of the hour. Katie from Vanderpump rules us here. So please welcome her to Bachelor Happy Hour. Yes.

Hello, welcome to Happy Hour. It's so good to finally have you on. Michelle and I have been fans of you for quite some time. We've been dying to chat with you. So welcome, and how are you? Hi, thank you for having me. That was a very nice form welcome. I'm good.

Very good. I think the jet lag has finally left me. Yeah. How long times did it take? Because you just got back from Italy, correct? Yeah, like a Monday night. quick turn around um i want to get into your trip and all about all about the wedding that you you were you were just at but i want to start out by asking you since this is bachelor happy hour

have you watched the bachelor or bachelor or are you a fan of the show or are you just coming in blind with us um i i mean i remember watching from like day one watching the bachelor like i mean i don't i don't remember who was like was the very what was his name as i say becka Do you remember, was it, like, the very first Alex? No, like, his name was, uh, Andrew Firestone? He had curly hair. Brown curly hair? Bob?

Yeah. Bob Guinea? Bob Guinea. And then I would like, I then I watched, you know, Tristan Wright. And then I've, like, popped in and out, you know, so I'm not like religiously, but obviously. I mean, it's, you can't, even if you don't watch, you can't, you, you follow sort of via different social media account. and everything. We're everywhere, aren't we?

Well, yeah. Constantly. And we can say the same about really any reality TV show. So the same for Michelle and I with Vanderpump Rules. It's like, I mean, we've watched, we've been fans of the show, but even to just see all of you guys pop up. So that's why it's so fun. I feel like our worlds are colliding right now.

Yeah. Oh my gosh. And been like slowly making friends with people from a franchise over the years. And it is like once you're in the reality TV world, like there's no. way getting away from it like somebody always knows somebody somebody always has a connection it's it's a big world but like not at the same time it's totally small yeah okay so we have to jump back to this italy thing though so you were in italy because you were in stossi's wedding correct yeah fill us in how was that oh my gosh it was i mean it was so beautiful i'd never been to

Italy before. So I was really looking forward to that. Oh, it's the first time. Yeah. And I mean, I was also looking forward to just going on an actual like trip for the first time in years because, you know, obviously. But, you know, also the wedding had been postponed and postponed again. And so to finally have it happen, it just, it almost felt surreal. And we were talking before, like even the day before, even when we're at the airport, we're like, this still just doesn't feel real like when is it going to feel real when is it going to feel like this is actually happening and um but everything went so perfectly it was so beautiful it was obviously very small um wedding and the attendance in itself was very intimate and small and it just felt so special and it was so romantic and beautiful i mean just Italy in itself was just the perfect uh backdrop for a wedding like that Mm-hmm. It looked stunning. And that's the thing, even when you say it was still small and intimate, I feel like you take anything in Italy and it's still going to jush it up 10 times and just be absolutely breathtaking. And so you were the maid of honor. How did your duties go? How did your speech go? I mean, I felt like my duties were pretty, you know, limited because there wasn't a whole lot of events and things leading up to it. You know, I planned.

a little dinner prior, you know, for the first night that we were there, which is some of the girls. And so that was kind of like the main thing. And then the day of she just wanted me to come to her hotel and just sort of hang out with her and get ready. And, you know, she also had some help from other people there. So, but yeah, and then I just had to write a speech, which felt like a lot of pressure because, you know, obviously wanted to make it really meaningful and heartfelt, but also, you know, when you have a friendship with somebody that feels like a sister and spans over a decade long, you're like, how do I even put this into words and really make it also entertaining and under a certain time limit? But I think I nails it. I think I do pretty good. I got some tears. I got some laughs. I hit all the

you hit all the points. I love that. Do you have a favorite line from your speech? Just a little snippet. I think it's coming in hot with the question. Give us a quote from your speech. I like the part where I said, I said, you know, something that her and I both have in common is we both think we know what's best for you. Seems, okay, that seems valid. You have a point, though. Especially when it comes to men, you know. Right.

Were you able to, like, stay in Italy a little bit after the wedding and, like, do some exploring, while you were there? Yeah, so I stayed, so the wedding was on Thursday, and I stayed and I left the following Monday. Okay. So definitely got some sightseeing, and I took a train with some friends to Venice for the day, which was really special and really, I mean, it's breathtaking. That was really slow. Oh, man, that's my favorite place in Italy.

What was your favorite thing that you ate and drank throughout your entire? throughout your entire time there so much pasta it's so good and me and christina kelly also randomly stumbled upon this pizza place like around the corner from our hotel like we just were like let's just go find something to eat and we're like should we have this pizza and it ended up being the best pizza and it's also fresh there everything just tasted good even when i think it was like probably mediocre or touristy it just tasted so much better than anything here So, and then obviously I just had, I drank my weight in apparel spritz. Yes, I love it.

Okay, Katie, I have two questions. One, first of all, it's still related to the wedding. Are there any fun or crazy wild stories that really stick out to you that you want to share? And two, how flirtatious were the Italian men? Were they over the top? I wish they were more. Really? Oh, really?

So the last night we were there, Christina and I went and had a picnic in this really beautiful garden park that was right by our hotel. And it was just so beautiful. And her and I were just sitting on this, you know, sheet. And this Italian fellow rides up on his bike and he just starts talking to us. But he doesn't speak any English at all. But he's like really trying. He's like speaking into his, you know, whatever. phone and translating but like that was like the most effort

what was he saying um just trying to ask if i was you know if we had husbands or were engaged you give him your number uh i think he like follows me on instagram or something but i mean we're like oh we're leaving tomorrow like was he cute this is it um he is okay Okay. No, but I mean, but I will say like walking around just we did a lot of walking and especially in the area we were in, it was definitely more of like a, you know, local sort of residential vibe until we got into the more tourist area. And I was just like, oh, the Italian men are very attractive and very well dressed. I was like, so well dressed. Wow. So put together. Yeah, we got into like, I don't, it must have been like some kind of. of like banking financial area and i was like lunchtime just go there oh yeah yeah they're so put together oh my gosh yeah they it's a place to be especially if you're single um okay so the wedding

yeah are there any fun crazy stories that stick out to you that you're able to share or want to share um fun or crazy stories i mean it was just that nothing that's like that's like that's like my God, this, like, really stands out to me. And it was just, it was just all so, it was all fun. Mm-hmm. I mean, yeah, nothing like super outlandish. It just was just, everything just went so perfect and nothing, yeah. Like exactly how you want to.

I was nervous that I was not going to fit into my dress because it, I, it was like basically like a core set up top and just everything just, I felt like a little bit of like a Play-Doh fun. factory where it just pushed every bit of skin and anything extra just out the top of it. You looked beautiful. You looked so beautiful. But I would probably be the same, like, especially after eating all of the carbs and the pasta and the pizza and the wine, I'd be like, is this still going to fit? Katie, I have to say one thing that I loved that Sossi did. And tell me, was it to close her wedding? She went out to Mariah Carey's all I want for Christmas is you? Is that how she shut the night down? Yeah, that was the last song of the night.

I love it. That's my karaoke songs. When I saw that on Instagram, I was like, I love this woman. Yeah, that's like she, that is like one of her favorite song. Like, she'll put that on in an Uber any time of the year. Eddie doesn't matter. I never would have guessed that. I would have never guessed that that was her song.

She loves holiday music and show tunes. And doesn't she, she's really like into Halloween, right? I feel like I saw that on an episode or something like that. Like she's like intensely decorates for Halloween, right? Or no? Yes. Like she just, she loves a holiday. She just loves getting into a theme and into a holiday,

specifically like Halloween and Christmas. Yeah. Good for her. I love it. Okay. So pivoting from the wedding and your trip, we have to say congrats on Vanderpump Rules getting picked up for another season. And there's been so much news in the world of Vanderpump, but are you excited to carry on into another season?

Or at this point, are you kind of like over it? Where are you at? Oh, no, I'm totally excited. I'll do this until the wheels fall off until forever. That's so good to hear, though, that like it's like something that's like sustainable, right? And that like if, you know what I mean? If it was too intense, you wouldn't want to do it. But that's awesome that you love it.

Yeah, I think maybe, I mean, I'm sure. Maybe they'll come a day that I'll be totally over it or I don't, who knows, but I do love doing it. It's a lot of fun and I'm very excited that we are going to be doing another season. I mean, obviously, life is very different now, but, you know, I'm excited about the future. So this season, I think, is just going to be a good season. Yeah. And when does filming start play? like where does filming start to take place that's a very good question um you know typically in the

past we would start in may but that's all kind of changed in the last couple of years anyway um so i don't i haven't heard of this like start date just yet but um hopefully soon yeah i mean i would imagine sometime in the next like six-ish weeks but who knows oh my gosh this is so much having you on because I'm sure the way that we would film a season of the bachelor or Batchelight or Paradise is probably very different from a Vanderpump rule season. And I want to get into that and pick your brain. But I also want to mention one of the reasons why we really wanted you on here and so excited to talk to you today is because, you know, being on a reality TV show, so much of your life, basically every aspect of your life is put under our magnifying

glass and everyone watches everything that you're doing, everything that you're saying. which we can relate to and at times it's so fun and so worth it and at times it's fucking terrifying and a very very very scary thing to do so overall from filming all these seasons you know from the start of when it first began back in what was it 2013 yeah it premiered in 2013 so we filmed in 2012 okay so almost a decade of filming what what are like one one or two things that you've learned most about yourself throughout this entire process? Mostly to, I guess, trust yourself and trust your instincts and your gut and listened to that the most. And then I guess to really lean into that all.

And to not take it too seriously, you know, at the end of the day, I don't know if that's totally the most sound of the things I've learned but yeah well I can I mean oh a thousand percent yeah and especially I mean

you know the way Vaynerpump rules is filmed is vastly different from the bad start like we went on to find love but also in the back of my mind I'm like this is still a TV show they're still trying to get ratings you're still trying to get certain aspects to make this show

what it is and entertaining so it's like yeah you'll take it seriously but at the end of the day too it's not like you know like live or die eat breathe like this is you know exactly what your life is right now it's like you have to have some sort of humor I mean like don't take it seriously in the sense of like some people are like you know this is like I guess I guess some people just put themselves up too high on a pedestal and it's like literally like listen like this this is what we sign up for we're on a show like you can't put your take yourself too seriously in that sense of like being more important than anyone else yeah in this cast or on this show like this is what you sign up knowing what

you kind of signed up for yeah you feel like being in the spotlight and you know kind of like like becka said that when you are filming shows such as like the bachelorette bachelor's right like it's it's one person there who's you know find finding love amongst other people but like when you're on this show with all of your friends together do you feel like the show gets in between your friendships at times oh i mean it can absolutely bring issues and problems to the surface but i can't blame the show because it's it's just it's part of the process when when there's an issue or something that comes up we can't we have to examine it we have to talk about it we have to until we're blue in the face.

But I think that's also kind of a good thing and been rewarding because we work through it. So I think if anything, some of my friendships wouldn't be where they are today without the show. I think it's been a positive thing in a lot of ways. Sometimes it could be frustrating, but. Yeah, just because like you're,

even if you're a person who doesn't like to talk about your emotions or what you're feeling or being vulnerable you know when you're sitting in those ITMs and you are having to talk about those situations like it kind of almost like scaffolds it at least it did for both Nate and I of like learning how to talk about things that are really not comfortable talking about so it does challenge you and push you outside your comfort zone with that for sure yeah yeah but if you if you can do it and and you know be kind of you know resilient and and it's like therapy

in a way and get to the bottom of it and get to the crux and find out like what the issue is and forgive and move past things and you know then you can be stronger than you were before yeah who was somebody from just filming overall in the past several seasons

that has really surprised you where you went in you know not necessarily being friends with them or thinking you'd be close with them and it pivoted or who's somebody that you were super close with that you kind of drifted away like who has surprised you the most i mean a huge obvious one would be la la because when she came on the show she came in hot and like just with a full you know and i it just rubbed me the wrong way and i you know i can be slow to warm but also just i kind of pick up on

someone's energy and i just didn't like what i was getting from her almost immediately and um you know some people are just like, well, you're just jealous because she's younger and hotter. And it's like, well, I mean, I'm not blind. She was younger and she was hot, but it wasn't a threat to me. I mean, I have lots of beautiful hot friends. But she just had this sort of like cockiness to her that just rubbed me the wrong way. Yeah. But I think kind of once we were able to like let the guard down a little bit between one of us, one another,

we kind of discovered that we have similar defense mechanisms and fighting styles. and we're more similar than we realized to begin with. But we had a lot more in common, too. We're from the same state and we, you know, similar backgrounds. So that was also surprised to become as close as we are now, considering where we started. That's huge. You know, and I think in general with other people, you know,

I think it's like seasons, you know, they come and they go and they, you know and i think with everyone else i'm still you know friends with and close to maybe not as tight with but i don't think it's necessarily negative i'm not like surprised by any really yeah absolutely so and is is it so okay so i mean we've both been in are we all three of us have been in a position right where you are going through these relationships with their whether it's friends whether it's significant others but i mean everything truly is out there on a platform and you are truly showcasing everything in like those vulnerable pieces and you know we know and becca knows and we've we've understood that you you've recently had to go through an incredibly

tough you know breakup with just ending the relationship with tom and all those different things and so how would you how would you say that you handle that or like what advice do you have for people who are going through a similar situation it might not be public right but you know people looking to you for advice because they've they've watched this kind of unfold oh i mean kind of going back to what i said about trusting yourself and trusting you know listening to your guts you know i think that's the that is your guiding light that you have and if you don't and you know it'd be really easy to bury your head in the sand and just plug your ears and not want to listen to that but I think that's doing yourself a massive disservice because I think I did that for a long

time and I think it just got too loud and it was just like okay well you're going to lose a lot of sleep now yeah I think that shows so much strength for you though just because like you know you being in the public eye you feel pressure to you could feel pressure to continue a relationship right because that's what everybody else wants or that's what everybody else thinks is best but like for to make that decision for yourself is incredibly empowering well i think you know it's it's not being afraid of doing this this scary thing and making the hard choice because obviously what's in front of you is the unknown and am i going to be okay like i was so scared of like starting over like being alone and once i finally realized like okay this is something i have to do and i have to do for myself

and i you know i'm not happy and i want to be happy and this is what's ultimately going to make me happy the minute i made that choice the thing i was scared of the most became like a gift like it became like an opportunity for opportunity and i was no longer scared of it and you know obviously it's it doesn't mean it's not sad and not heartbreaking because it 100% is it's it like it was it gutted me uh but i think just leaning and entrusting your gut and listening to that you know because it's about always always about the relationship with yourself and nurturing that and taking care of that the most i well and i can speak from experience going through a very public breakup and just knowing breakups are never easy there and no one wants it either right

it's it's heartbreak is heartbreak whether you're in the public eye or not like that part is already difficult. And then to add on, I mean, it was so difficult going through just my personal breakup because everyone, A, before we even announced it, everyone thought that they were entitled to know exactly what was going on day by day, detail by detail. And I was still trying to process it on my own, let alone, like, figuring out how the hell am I going to let the whole world in and know this? And it's a really scary thing. You kind of feel like you're jumping off a ledge. But do you feel like when you finally came to terms and had some time to sit in your decision and know what was best for you. You said something that like, you know, an opportunity for an

opportunity. Did it feel like you had this sense of now new freedom where you could just kind of breathe and be like, okay, this decision is made, you know, whether everyone in the public knows or not. And so this is now how I'm going to live my life. Did you feel like a breath of fresh air after that? Oh, I felt a huge sense of relief because everything I had been doing, I no longer had to do anymore. I didn't have to be concerned and live before someone else. It was a decision of like, okay, well, now I get to make decisions for myself and every day I wake up. It's like, what am I going to do today to make myself happy or make myself, you know, I no longer needed the validation of another person or I didn't have to worry about someone else. You know what I mean?

And that I was bogged down by a relationship that wasn't serving me anymore, you know? And, you know, I also, I had to train myself over the years to really not give a fuck. Can I say, give me a story? Yeah. Oh, yeah. What the public thinks. It doesn't mean I don't ever, ever think about it. But when it came to this, I knew obviously people were going to have opinions or anything like that.

But I was just like, I, this is so it doesn't matter what. anyone has to say about this because this is ultimately like my life and like it's gonna there's gonna be people are gonna talk they're gonna say things but like this time it really really really doesn't matter so like you're gonna do what you want to do regardless and so yeah yeah and once I got to the decision I'm just it honestly is like I don't care like I don't care what I literally don't care I feel really good to the point where I'm just like no I want to I want to I want ask you this too because I know Lala is currently going through

a divorce. So have you two been able to bond more through your shared experience of that right now? Would you say that has brought you closer together? Well, she didn't get married, so she's not doing divorce, but she is going through, you know, things

with custody with, because she has a child. Yes. It's, you know, our situations are very different. I feel fortunate that things with Tom and I are very amicable and very peaceful and so there's still a lot of love between us and she you know it's the complete complete opposite between her and Randall so there's that but she's been amazing and so supportive of me and like my champion cheerleader everything so like I like I love her so much for that. And I feel like I've been that to her as well. So even though like our situations aren't the same and there's not, you know, a lot that we can like relate on that.

You know, but I mean, we are in some way, you know, not in some ways, in the same way starting over at the same time together. You know, again, it's different with her because she's, you know, has a baby and dealing with sharing custody and all the complications that brings along with it. But we're just trying to be supportive in the ways that each other needs it. Right. Yeah, she's been amazing. I love hearing just women supporting women. Yeah. And I are huge for that with everything.

And so, Katie, you talk about just everything and just being so liberating and kind of moving on to this new piece. And, you know, moving into this 10th season of Vanderpump rules, you know, as a single woman. Have you thought about that? Have you thought about what that's going to feel like or what you want out of that or what it's going to look like and just kind of what you're thinking of going into this? I think about it all the time. Do you really? Tell us. Yeah.

How can I not? Well, so we're, I mean, yeah, we're in the process of literally in the next two weeks moving. Which is crazy because there's so much to do still. So yeah, we're selling our house and I'm going to move into like an apartment. downsizing, which is great because I don't, you know, I don't want to have to make any, like, big commitments and buy a new house or like, but it's going to be your apartment. Yeah, so I just want to have like a little space that's mine and then figure out like where, you know, take some time to figure out like where I want to be long term. Do I want to like go

to the beach? Do I want to go to the east side? Do I want to, you know, and I'm, I'm so okay with just taking that time to like figure out like what, what's the vibe for Katie long term? And, you You know, and so also, you know, just kind of reclaiming my identity and like who I am, because regardless of like how independent or individual you are, when you've been with someone for so long, like, you do lose that a little bit. So just kind of like finding out the things that I really like and really enjoy and what I don't like, but more focus on the positive of what I like and what I want and what I like to do and, you know, and just, yeah, just saying yes and being. be. Find what fuels Katie as an individual. Yeah. Is there like a hobby that you have that you've always wanted to do and you're like, yes, this is not the time. I'm like the queen. I'm like a professional hobbyist. Like that's, I get teased nonstop because like I will pick up hobbies like it's my job. Okay. What's your next hobby if you had to guess? What are you feeling? Oh,

that's a really good question. Um, I don't know. I think it's going to, maybe it's got to be something like really just off the wall in random. I feel like I could see you. Um, I don't know why these two things popped in my head. Okay, pottery. I feel like I could see you like doing something with like ceramics. That's sexy, right?

Yes or no? Oh, I love. Yeah, pottery is sexy. I would totally get into ceramics. Or this one's not as sexy. What are those ones where you like the pit, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, not calling you an old lady but like the pin pin whatever stitch cross work needlework cross or cross stitching Michelle I fucking cross stitch what are you saying I'm not that's what I'm not saying it's

whatever I just didn't know how else to explain it but I feel like a lot of people are moving into that now a couple years ago a couple years ago a couple of seasons ago I attempted knitting and I got roasted so hard for that I also knit so it's so hard it's so hard I'm not I'm not that good with it, but, you know, I could revisit it. I actually was, I actually recently picked up, I'm doing embroidering. So that's easy. What do you embroider? No, I just am following patterns right now to like learn and, you know, that's kind of the

easiest way to learn. Okay. You can pick them up at Marshalls or you can order them on, like, eBay or like Amazon. Yeah. There's like a bank off one and like a different one. that you can do mountain or like fields and things like that just to like kind of like learn the skill of it all the basic stitches yeah i love that long stitch that's so fun but like okay so embroidery or um i hear word on the street there's something about like a sandwich shop

yeah well yeah is that a hobby or like that's more like a business endeavor career but yeah so are you're thinking sandwiches to be a hobby yeah aryna and i are going to open up a soon a shop it's been like it's been um a long not i wouldn't say a long time in the making we we kind of like had this like idea pop up at the end of the summer last year um after i got the boot from the the guy's bar um because it's something that i'd always talked about like tom but he's you know a little busy and so ariano's like i'll do this with you and i was like oh my god let's do this and so we've just been working with a consultant group who are amazing and brilliant and they've opened up spaces of their own and worked

with some amazing restaurants around LA and bars and since we spent a lot of time just kind of like really crystallizing the whole vision and just what the whole concept is like what is it's called something about her but like because it's going to be more than just sandwiches we wanted to have like its own like vibe its own personality a little bit of like retail wine bar like wine beer bar but maybe cocktails as well depending on the space we can get and if it has the permit for it, but it could go either way. Do you know what area of L.A. you want this to be in?

Do you have a space in mind? The valley. The valley. Okay. The valley needs something else. I love the valley. I'm such a like valley girl. I do love it so much over here. Becca and I were going to start our own taco truck one time. Yes. We talked about it. The advice that the consultants gave us or what they said they're like,

if you want to be successful in opening up any kind of, you know, like a food establishment go with three things pizza tacos or sandwiches because those are three things that people will always try like new spaces always go back to you can't fail at it that's actually super true the triple whammy things that people always love well katie i will say once this is up and running if you need a taste tester i volunteer as tribute i will come in whenever you need me and if you need to get wine into it i have a sparkling wine line that you could you know we'll just stock it full. Amazing. Yeah, because we especially, not that we're trying to dislude anyone, but because it's something about her, we're all about supporting women and especially like

female-owned businesses and products, you know, so it's like if it's like a female-owned brewery or a female-owned wine brand or there's a female-owned tea company that we're really interested in and, you know, our products or candles or, you know, all of all of that sort of. I love that business idea. Okay, wait, Katie. Okay, tell me, I want your honest, honest opinion. Would you ever go on Paradise? Or Bachelorette.

No, no, no, no, I would do Bachelorette first. I don't know if I would do Bachelorette. That is like, that is sound stressful. But Paradise, I feel like would be, like, fun. Crossover. Can we get a crossover event? It is a very fun time. Let's do this. Well, speaking of that, so, and if you don't want to answer this,

I totally understand, but where are you kind of at dating wise? Like, are you open to meeting someone? Do you want to just take some time as single Katie to figure out, you know, next steps? Where are you kind of at in that space? I'm not trying to like get a boyfriend, like a relationship, but like I'm having fun, like dating people. Like I like going out and like flirting or like I've been like on a date. Like I'm like it's like to me it's just like it's like it's like to me it's just like it's like fun like I feel like all the guys are like 28 so it's like it's almost kind of good because there's no dating apps or no dating apps oh no apps at least for like right now I don't know they freak me out I see I was like by the time I was already like dating Tom that was pre apps so I've had like zero experience of it but for me like I'm I'm I think I'm old fashioned all the people that are on the apps are out in the world I'd rather go to places that I like to hang out and I enjoy and I imagine like that would be the company that I would like want to be in and I don't have any qualms about like going up to a fella that I think is cute and being like

hello or if you know someone wants to come and meet me what's your pickup line let's say okay let's set the scene Katie what's your pickup line do people have one set pickup line these days I don't know I feel like she I mean she said that she does she'll go up to somebody and I'm like yes yes yes I love women like that I don't want to be like cheesy by it or like I like your hair like I don't know what would you like naturally say hey do come here often you're at this place wherever you like to hang out and there's a good looking dude and you're like okay what would you do like what would you do like what would you do like hi or like ask like a question of as kind so like you can make a conversation and it's not just like some weird awkwardness or like make them put them off in a weird way but you know not like it's you come here often but like if they're wearing something that like you can I don't know just you got to kind of like find like a starter by that talking they're wearing a t-shirt

or something and there's like some kind of graphic on it or something or I don't know find something about what they have going on or their hairstyle or there's I don't know something we got to find that one talking point yeah I'm not worried about you well you're going to be good I'm trying to think Michelle do you know anyone single

in Bachel Nation that you would really think would be a fit for Katie oh that's such I think of like who is need a minute to think about. I feel like I need at this point, there's so many people that are part of Bachelor Nation that like, I feel like it's a large dating pool. Like, I need like

what is it called? Like game cards, like baseball cards, but Bachelor Nation style. With like three stats. Tats and everything. Oh my gosh. We can make a game out of that. Is there anyone that you know of Katie from Bachelor Nation that has caught

your eye in the past? um perhaps wait has anyone from bachelor nation ever slid in your DMs um not on the DMs no

okay wait you can't say that no one slides into my DMs no one's they but they like reached out has anyone hit on you in Bachelor Nation um I don't um

I think I'm this is such a give it to us You don't have to. Why don't it'll stop pressing? We put you in the hot seat. Yeah. I need to know.

We got us. Katie, you got a spill. No. We'll hook you up, Katie. I don't know if she wants it. I don't know if she, it doesn't sound like she maybe wants it. That's true. No, no comments.

Has anyone just like in, throughout the realm of reality TV or other shows, who has been like the one who is you know you've you've potentially thought like oh this might be a good fit i don't know because like literally until recently i've just been there with tom it's a little hard to leave i haven't really thought like that you know also it'd be like i feel like i it would also be potentially like attractive to or not i would be attracted to somebody outside of like reality world you know what i mean yeah i mean i mean Yeah, it can be a little weird when you start to like mix world, but I mean, maybe

not, but also sometimes it's, it's also really hard explaining this world to other people and having them be like, oh yeah, for sure, yeah, yeah. They don't quite get it. And also sometimes people like don't want

that either. And this is something that like didn't cross my mind until now. I'm like, oh yeah, like that's like might be that might be a problem moving forward. that like some people might be like you're great but like i don't like i don't get down with your world yeah but also at the same time like you're not going to want somebody who isn't willing to go for that right because if if i truly wanted to be with somebody those things like yes it would play into it but like that wouldn't be a reason for you to leave right so i mean it in the bright side it's

going to weed out the ones that you know are the right person aren't going to put in the effort or that you know really don't want it yeah but then it's also like but if someone wants it too much then it's like one of minutes then it's wrong right it's a balance it's a balance there's certain people that they you there's when people like that on our show where i'm just like you want this the thirst is you can smell the thirst right away yeah yeah it's like are you're a little too supportive you want to be right like right off the bat you know what i mean like two available yeah um available well you have time You got time to live your life and Michelle and I are here to support you no matter what you need.

I'll send some wine your way if you need a night to just relax and de-stress. One more thing before we get into our game here. I just want to know for all of our followers and listeners here, where can they find you? Where can they follow you? And also you have a podcast called You're Going to Love Me. So plug that a little bit and just give us a little bit more detail on that. that too. Yeah. So pretty much you can buy me. I mean, I mostly just do the gram. It's music kills Kate. Doesn't really make a lot of sense, but that's okay. And then on my podcast, you're

going to love me. I have new episodes every Friday. And, you know, I mostly kind of try to talk about, like, judgy things, but not judging too much. But, you know, I think everyone judges ourselves, other people, things in the world. It's sort of in ways our defense mechanism. But when we can have conversations, let our guard down, we can realize the things we have in common or just have fun with it for sport. But that's just topics I'm always interested in.

But yeah. You're going to love me. Check it out. Episodes are every Friday. Well, OK, Katie, we always play games with all of our guests that we have on here and basically this one is super easy it's a rapid fire question so we're just Michelle and I will throw you out a question and you just answer top of mind whatever comes first just so we can get to know you a little bit more so I'll kick it off if you could go on any other

reality show in that has either aired in the past or is currently airing which one would you choose ooh um I was always like I always love the real world Okay Classic I love it I could see that Yeah I could see that All right What is your signature drink

Is it still tequila Yeah I'll drink I'll drink tequila for sure Tequila on the rocks With lime or tequila with A little club soda Maybe a little splash of cranberry in there Tequila girl

What was the last TV show that you binged um oh oh outlander oh it's so good are you like all caught up yeah okay

I'm not caught up so don't give anything way but isn't it so is Jamie not just oh sassanick I have his whiskey I have the sassanick

is it good the scotch blend whiskey yeah it's oh yeah I mean it tastes I'm sure that's what he tastes like he is so oh my gosh thank god Thomas isn't here to listen to me

talk about him but he's like my dream man I'm not going to listen to this part what song always gets you pumped up ooh um this is me from greatest showman yeah oh such a good one for whatever reason I was thinking like this is me

Demi Lovato, Camp Rock when you said that you know the song I'm talking about? No, I've never seen that movie. Michelle, your age is showing right now. No, I'm not, no, I, I, yeah. I corrected it as soon as he said greatest showman. I was like, yeah, God, I love you.

Okay, what is one beauty product that you can't live without? For, like, skin or something, probably like a moisturizer. are got it like I'll freak out if my skin feels dry me too um and then for makeup I would say like a tinted moist a tinted sunscreen okay I have that okay we're all about hydration on the skin yeah I mean I feel like I like I don't need mascara like I could do away with like any kind of like that but like a tinted sunscreen I'll be fine I'll keep my skin hydrated and protected and a little bit of a little bit of coverage. Yeah, you jizz you up a little.

Okay, good. Well thought out. Which one of your Vanderpun castmates are you most likely to turn to for dating advice? Don't respond too quickly. Does that mean nobody? I feel like. she's like fucking I'm turning to myself from now on Lisa I mean I feel like I would give the best advice

but maybe well I don't know I don't even know if like Lisa but like maybe I'm trying to think who I have like like probably like maybe like Ariana yeah okay all right what is currently the screensaver photo on your phone The Gucci is this Gucci glove that's like slipping off.

Oh. Sassie and cheek. Egy and classy. Okay. Okay. If you could visit anywhere in the world,

where would you go? Ooh. I'm going to say somewhere I haven't been because, I mean, as much as I'd love to go back, but like I really,

want to go to Spain next I think I've never been to Spain Good sure I haven't either but it looks beautiful Even though there's more places in Italy I mean One of the girls I was with us in

Rome she went to Positano and then went to Capri And that looks Stunning Yeah I don't know maybe I'd go there A whole little Euro trip Some are fabulous Okay last question

One word to describe your summer 2020 vibe the hot girl summer i hate that saying but like it's happening i love it it's your phrase hot girl summer 2020 thriving thriving sexy girl summer sexy yes i love that i love that okay katie we always do rosent thorne so highlight low light of the week i'll start low light um we have a lot of Thomas and I have a lot of plans in the works, and we started updating and packing up his house, which has been a headache. So that's my, that's my thorn. And my highlight is the fact that I'm here in Hawaii for my friend's wedding right now. Celebrating to love. Okay, Michelle,

you're up. My rose would be that I get to take off and visit some of my friends in Virginia. And my thorn would be that there's still three weeks left in the school year for teaching. All right, Katie, take it away. Well, my low is that I have a lot of packing to do still, and that sucks. But my high, I don't know, my high is that I get to see some friends this weekend and go dancing, and that'll be a nice break from it all. Yeah. Well, enjoy it. Live it up, Katie. Thanks. We're so happy you could join us. Thank you again. We can't wait to see this next chapter on.

fold for you. And like I said, you have the support of me and Michelle behind you and all of our listeners. I hope you guys all enjoyed this. But thank you, Katie, and welcome back anytime. Thank you so much. It's so nice to meet you. I had a lot of fun. Yeah. We'll stay in touch. If you want to go to Paradise, you know who to talk to. Perfect. Perfect. All right. Take care, Katie. Bye, thanks. Thanks. Bye. Bye. Okay. Thank you, Michelle, for being here. Thank you to all of our happy hour listeners for joining us again this week. We appreciate you. And a huge shout-up to Katie for joining us. I know her schedule's crazy busy, but I'm glad she could stop in for the past hour. Yes. And make sure to hit us up on social. You can follow us at Bachelor Happy Hour on Instagram. And from there,

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