Bachelor Happy Hour - Kat’s ‘Deading It’

Episode Date: July 24, 2025

Today on “Happy Hour,” we’re back with Kat Izzo to chat about this week’s episode of “Paradise”! We kick things off with the inside scoop from her on all things day one. She tells us who piqued her interest pre-Dale and what the vibes were like during those early moments. Then, we get into her journey with Dale so far; she takes through all the highs of the initial connection and how they built their relationship up. She also takes us through their big tiff this week — what was that like from her perspective? Was Dale under the impression that she knew about his kiss with Alli Jo? What’s up with “deading it”?! Tune in now to hear all this and so much more and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

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Make sure to listen to this episode of Politics on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Petro Happy Hour. I'm Joe. And I'm Serena. And we are here today with Kat. Kat, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour.

Hi, guys. You were just here. You were just here, but the show is officially aired, so now we can talk about everything that's gone down. It's happening, huh? It's happening. Yeah. Overall, how are you feeling so far? I mean, much better that this time, like, than I was before.

It's, you know, it's definitely just, like, more fun to watch. Like, it's actually, like, a good show. Like, it's just really, it honestly, it's been. entertaining not just with my situation but like everyone's like it's it's fun to see everyone's personalities like actually come through and you can just see it it's been really fun is it looking and feeling like you expected it to after filming oh I mean we had an idea but nobody could have expected it to look this good like like the ring lights were really like doing their job like it looks so good and like the slow-mo and like the little like white lotus like noises like

background like i'm like wow this is like elevated elevated because we had like some idea but the creative is not top notch is there anything so far that you've watched back that surprised you about any of anything like your castmates or anyone said or has done that you're like oh fuck i didn't know that went down oh yeah actually a lot of things um well i mean like i knew brian was being toxic i saw it from i talked it like day one that he had that inside him did I think he was taking it to the level that he was in the interviews? Absolutely not. I feel like that happens every year.

We like see what people were saying in their internal dialogue that a lot of things should probably stay inside your head. And, you know, the Jeremy and Bailey stuff, I mean, I learned about that later, but like, I still had no idea that it got to the extent that it was or that their conversation was as heat as it was. I learned more about like how close people's relationships were prior. like there's just a lot of things that you have a lot more private moments I think in this setting so you don't really see everybody's like relationship playing out and people are still kind of

keeping their like cards close to their chest at this time so um yeah I think it was just I'm learning a lot okay so let's go let's let's let's um let's cut to episode one day one you're down there sure um who Dale isn't there yet who are you potentially interested in? I mean, day one for me was really just like getting the jitters out, feeling comfortable in this environment and learning who everybody was. Like I kept calling Spencer Sebastian. Like I could not get his name, right?

So now we have a running joke about it. But like it was more so just like feeling everyone's energy. I would say like I had the most like banter with Jonathan. Like we had like good like back and forth. So that was like fun. but like it wasn't that intense like oh we're like people were actually just like pulling you to chat like nobody cared like Kyle pulled me to talk Jeremy pulled me to talk like everyone was just kind of like making an effort to get to know everyone and go into like one-on-one conversations about it and then even

the girls we just all wanted to like learn about each other and like I knew no one so it was just kind of like a taking in everything at once um Dale shows up and we interviewed Jonathan and Jonathan said he was interested in you and then Dale showed up and he kind of saw the way you reacted I know I thought about that after she was really excited and then he's like okay I I immediately

checked out do you do you think is that true and do you think he should have kept pursuing you because that's how he that's what he said but it does seem like on the show it does look like he's still pursuing

you i mean yeah because i wouldn't say he checked out okay okay maybe he like wanted to okay this is back story i knew no one going into this i didn't know who was going to even potentially be there ricky told me like oh by the way have you heard of like dale like he might be coming here and that was i think day one and i was like wait that sounds familiar and i was like wait he's an adult like he's like he's like he's like a like an adult man and so i was like oh my god wait that's really exciting if it's true because like he could be someone i would actually be like super interested in. So that's where the excitement came from because I was like, oh, okay, so that actually is happening. And at that point, no one was really like, like, I know Jonathan's,

he, I think he's like afraid to like make moves. So he was almost like giving friends on vibes to everyone and he was not being direct until Alex told him to be direct. And then he actually, I don't remember what day it was. I definitely up into this point he had told me like, by the way, I'm interested in you and I was like okay I'm like still viving with you too like I just because I was excited about Dale doesn't mean that I'm not excited or like still interested to pursue and like but he was like I was surprised to like not see you in the kissing booth and stuff like that and that was like a few days later and I was like oh really now because I wouldn't even if you wanted to kiss me why didn't she kiss me before like why didn't take a challenge and that's kind

of where I was at so I was like well these guys all had their chance first week they didn't want to make it i'm not going to like kiss them now like that's weird fair so um yeah because i don't i want a man that like will not have to wait for someone to put us no so that's why i was excited because i was like okay like he is definitely someone i can see like more and but at that point the guys i was like maybe but like i i didn't know i just didn't have like that clearer vision of that yes that makes sense yeah that clears that clears things up okay okay okay so so Dale's down there is there is there a spark right away I mean it seems like you guys really hit it off I think we just like felt like okay you get it I get it like you've been here

before like there was no one there that had been in this environment before besides me well Justin but just wasn't there quite yet oh wait yeah Justin came before yeah yeah but it was like that was platonic and he was like doing his thing with Lexi but You know. But do you pull you to chat? Who? No. Did Justin pull you to chat?

Mm-mm. Okay. But there was never a world where you and Justin were, would have person each other. You have the same birthday. I can't date a Gemini man that has the exact same birthday as me. That's crazy. Yeah.

University can't handle that. No. But I think we just, like, that was where I was coming from. I also just, like, kind of liked his, like, confidence and, like, just overall aura. Like, he wasn't, like, getting, he was just, he was clearly just, like, moving. with however he wanted to move like throughout when he came in and um i saw like zoe initially pull him and like everybody get excited and i was like yeah i'm gonna see if he comes to me like i'll be there i'll be in conversation but i'm not going to be like all all over because that's just like

not really how i am anymore and so but then once we like started talking i immediately was like okay yeah like we can like we can kick it like it's it's like there was no awkward like moments or anything like that we got deep really fast and felt comfortable doing so okay so now you're you're kind of i don't want to say well are you locked in at this point like well let's talk about your date first with dale yeah how did the date go date was great yes i got sick no way and i know i would have got sick too i mean that would have been the worst no i knew i knew i knew off rip he even knew that i knew like like i we i took a zophran which is an anti nausea med prescription based I was eating my ginger tablets and I had a germamine in my system.

But sitting backwards, it was a wrap. But it's, I did not, like, I kept it so cool. Like, I was, like, trying to keep it together. So he actually, like, did not know how unwell I was until I couldn't take it anymore. Because I know people are like, why didn't he, like, do anything? I, like, truly didn't say anything until I was like, okay, we've had our conversations. Like, I need to take a break. And that's what I was like, let me flip around and just, like, see the horizon.

but I didn't want to like interrupt our conversations by like being like hey I can't like I'm about to throw up in my mouth so it was like that's what it was but overall so much fun um we just got really deep really fast like we connected about like both being engaged in that place and having like our own situations post show with the world and it just felt like someone I could like really like understands that unique experience that you don't really find here as often. So we just really connected, I think, like on that level, for sure. Is there another man from Bachelor Nation that could come down that you would be interested in at this point? Like, was there anyone else you were hoping to see down there?

I literally didn't know anyone. Like, I was thinking they were going to bring in like, I mean, yeah, have they brought in like someone that I had like never heard of or something like I don't know or like I mean I judge people but then they come and they're completely different so and I have really been so apart from The Bachelor World up until that point for like two years so I really didn't really even know who was like a possibility but I will say like it was obviously day two I didn't want him to feel like just because we went on a date he has to like stay loyal to me in any capacity like I told him like keep having conversations with girls like get to know people I was going to go back and still talk to Jonathan like we had this great moment and like if but you use that moment almost to like if you're still thinking about that while you're talking to other people then that says more and I just never wanted him to feel like he was confined because I know his first experience was limited so I don't think any of us were locked in yet so you guys you guys are still open and then um Dale is also I don't know I wouldn't say pursuing but there's these having conversations with Ellie Joe and are you aware of that at the time okay so that's week two i was after the first row ceremony

um i knew girls were coming in i knew he was going to be a hot commodity like he's dale i had a feeling that maybe like that was going to be one of the girls that she was interested like i mean it's dale like i figured every girl was going to come in and be interested did i know the extent no but i also wasn't pressing like i wasn't like like trying to to get in like if he wanted to tell me he would and that was so early and I didn't want it to feel like he had any like obligation to we did talk about like transparency that was like one of our first things like that was our foundation was to make sure that we are just like completely open about how we're feeling and what's happening because these are people that are literally

living next door to us and last one is to find out stuff from watching it back or you know hearing about it from someone else you want to come from this person you've been creating a connection with so um but at the same time like the intimate things i feel like i wasn't really pressing at that moment because it was still so early my boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now i'm seriously suspicious oh wait a minute sam maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit well dakota it's back to school week on the okay story time podcast so we'll find out soon this person writes my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot he doesn't is a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's

insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe

him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast. on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, West West, Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcasts.

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I'm Jemail Hill, host of the Sports and Politics Podcasts, and on the latest episode of Politics, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries joins me for a candid conversation about the state of the Democratic Party. What do Republicans say to you privately that they won't say publicly?

Many of them are in fear of their political lives, and that's been part of the challenge, but we continue to say to them, you were elected to defend your constituents, to stand up for your constituents. and there's life after Congress. And you should be willing to actually want to be able to look back on your time in the House of Representatives knowing that you can keep your head held high because you did the right thing.

Donald Trump is gone in three and a half years. But their legacy or their failure to stand up to the extremism and the unprecedented assault on America as we know it will be with them forever. Make sure to listen to Spolitics on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast. Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Got it. Okay, so now we're going to cut to this week's episode. Before we do, did you know, because we're about to get into, you know, the Allie Joe kiss of it all. Before we go there, did you know that Dale kissed Zoe in the kissing challenge?

Oh, yeah. I knew all the girls who kissed. He told me about all the girls. she kissed. Okay. So after the kissing challenge, you guys did debrief. Yeah, I knew all the girls who kissed in there. Yeah. Okay. I was doing the math like while the girls were going. I had like a way of figuring it out. So I knew that he kissed like all four of them. Yeah, in the kissing challenge. But then I so you're interested in her. Okay. That's fine. Right. Because it was you, Zoe, Ali, Joe, and then I believe Alex. Yes. Yes. Okay. Did that, because we didn't really see a lot of

aftermath from the Kiss and Challenge. Did that cause any rifts? Or were you like, okay, I'm like, I'm just clocking that like that's where you're at right now. I told literally all the girls. I said you should all put Dale. Like you guys should all kiss in. Like, why not? He's so hot. Like, I would. I was here for it. I mean, what did I think he was going to do all that? I don't know. But I feel pretty confident in my kissing skills. Did any part of you want to explore a kiss with Jonathan in that challenge? Yeah. Did you kiss anyone else or just Dale? No, I just kissed Dale. I thought about it.

But like I said, I like, those guys had already been there for a week with me. So, like, if you wanted to make a move, you absolutely could have had the chance. Like, we've had many conversations, like one-on-ones that probably didn't have the reason to be aired. So, like, if they are not going to, I'm not going to be with somebody that it takes that moment

to be forced together to see if there's chemistry. Yeah. So that was just where I was coming from. And, yeah. I just didn't think it was necessary. Did the kissing challenge with Dale spark any insecurities about his potential connections with other women? Or were you feeling pretty good about where you were at?

I felt really good at that moment because, like, he told me we were solid. So I was like, okay, so you couldn't do your thing, but I guess maybe I was last and like, you know, now, I don't know. And, yeah, he said we were solid. So I was like, okay, we're good. But I also was like, if we're not, like, it's fine. It's like I just might say today. Are you still, like him telling you, you guys are solid, but in your head, are you still somewhat open to like pursuing Jonathan or if someone else comes down?

Or does that or I feel like you kind of have to be like I am someone that's, I have. I feel like you like in that space, you kind of have to like be still open because that's the point is to like see where your emotions go. But I definitely had my strongest like feelings and like I would say like formed foundation with Dale. like we had spent we got back from the date we spent the whole night together like we spent the whole morning together like we were kind of like attached at the hip so even though we've kind of sparked off and talked to people like we all kept we kept coming back to each other so i felt like that was like a good we were definitely connected the most got it okay so then in this episode you and dale are having a conversation and you asked him did you kiss

Ellie Joe outside of the challenge and he says yes and then you guys get into a little back and forth where you said you know I thought we were going to be transparent why didn't you tell me this and he was like this wasn't a big deal it wasn't even on my mind so kind of just like run us through what the issue was with that everything there in that first conversation yeah the first one the first one you're like on the beach yeah it's daytime you know I asked that question and I did not expect that response I so I was just first taken aback by being like oh okay I didn't think he kissed Sally Joe when you asked you thought the answer was going to be now right because why have why have all these hours gone by that that was not said

um you know and so if you would have kissed if you would have kissed jonathan of course you would have let him know at this point well we said our we met it we said we said we a foundation of transparency like literally our connection is the strongest so like if that changes or if like that was like a conversation we had okay i think that was initially the night that alley joe went on the date so it was like the night of the kissing challenge because that's when we debriefed everything and we're like moving forward like let's just make sure that we're honest about everything like the environment's already a lot for both of us so for that precedent to be set and then not met i'm like okay what

And also just as who I am, like, hey, by the way, because we're all around each other. And again, I'd rather come from us than someone else because then I can get misunderstood. And so anyways, I was just like, oh, okay, so that was, like, not what we talked about. And I just kind of, like, took it in and kind of let him just talk, I think. If I can remember correctly, that was, like, where my mind was going. And I was just, like, absorbing. But also, like, frustrated, obviously because that was, like, just. not where I thought it was going to be. But it wasn't, again, it was never, it wasn't about the

kiss. It was like, so what else is it that I don't know? Like, what else has happened that I'm not being? And then that's like where my mind started going. Right. Like you're feeling like if I hadn't asked this, I might not have known. So like what other questions do I need to be asking to make sure I'm getting all the information? Right. It's like more like that you said you were going to do something and didn't stand on it. Like didn't do it. Like now I'm like, all my little trust issues are being like starting to get you know alarm and alarmed at the moment but I knew I needed to sit with it before I like really responded because I didn't want to come from a place of like just you know triggers and alarms is there anything that he could have said in that first

conversation that would have brought some closure to the situation like maybe not using the word dead at it as often as he did because that to me like I get it but it was like so like non-serious and like to me that moment was like serious so it was like please use a different term and it was making me go crazy um I think all I wanted I don't because I I hope I was able to communicate at the time like it's but you know the issue with like the lack of communication that was done that's how it comes across it doesn't come across it doesn't come across like you're upset about the kiss it comes across that you're upset that he didn't tell you and all i needed to hear in that moment probably was like okay i see that i know that i set that and like or we set that

and i didn't live up to it and i can understand why that can you know bring up some things for you and like moving forward i'll be more mindful and maybe giving some perspective of the situation like but not from a place of like you have to like give perspective but also like acknowledge that what I'm feeling is not like just because it's not a big deal to you doesn't mean that's not going to hurt my little sensitive heart yeah so yeah I just think if he just acknowledged that then we wouldn't have had to have the same conversation that we had later where that was also what I was seeking so yeah and by dead of it it seems that he's essentially saying like I ended things with Ali Joe like I told her there's nothing there so like there's

not an issue over but it didn't seem like that was actually your concern it was not you guys were just not like lining up lining up on the communication yeah the communication was like not there we were like speaking a different language to each other almost um it seemed that way yeah i just think that like it was he was like doing with the classic like guy like logic where they like want to like talk about the actual situation but in doing so like are like the women like just want to be like I'm heard and I'm seen and like I'm okay and I'm safe and when they get so fixated like intellectually on the situation it completely like you lose the picture like it didn't need to get there it could have been like squashed but it was I was trying to say that but I think even the more

I was saying that it just kept going like this like over and over and then I was feeling more unheard and up into that point like we I have trust issues going to this environment I've been open about it I've been honest about it who wouldn't I'm sure he does too I don't think we understood enough about each other's triggers so I think we were kind of like hitting old wounds on one another without even realizing and that's like the place that we were coming from and that's why there was such a misalignment yeah and in the second conversation that you guys have before the rose ceremony he seems very fixated on the timing of the conversation.

He's really upset that you've brought this up before a rose ceremony and he wishes that you'd waited, like done it earlier or later. As a viewer, it's not totally clear, like, why that timing is so uncomfortable for him. Can you maybe shed some light on that? Oh, yeah. I don't know. I still don't fully understand it. I think what he I mean maybe it was the fact that he's like well time has gone by I thought it was over maybe he felt anxiety about a binger's ceremony night and he didn't want it to be a thing on a night that was already stressful and I should have been like more like cautious of that but like for me I'm thinking like I don't even it says nothing to do about that like it was real quick was Dale

ever under the impression that you knew that he had kissed? No. Ellie Joe. Okay. So, okay. That would be how the timing thing would maybe make sense in my mind where it's like, you knew this information, you held it for a few days, and then you brought it up before the role ceremony where he's like, why wouldn't you bring it up?

But you'd clearly found out morning. Okay. Basically, in his perspective, so that morning I find out, and then we still go about the day. But I'm still like, I'm talking about him Jonathan, talking about with my girls. I'm like still like making sense of it. So I was like, I think he thought the conversation was over in the morning. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious.

Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast. So we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up.

Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not?

To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK. Storytime Podcasts on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, West West, Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcasts. You already know our get-down. If you grew up in our urban areas of comfort of struggle, you understand politics much more than you giving credit for. Fans taking over American cities, government hop-out boys, hopping out the van, snatching up your Theo and them, two wars that was supposed to be solved in 24 hours.

Jerry just out here mandering all over the place. The turfs. and of course the Epstein of it all. Well, this week we decided to shoot our shot and boy, did we pull up from the logo to see if we could get somebody to come tap in with us. And the one and only Jamil Hill

pulled up from this politics podcast to keep it a whole century. The American public is used to being entertained. We're a consumption society. So what Trump figured out is entertain them and they'll never question you. Listen to the hood politics with prop podcasts on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcast,

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on America as we know it will be with them forever. Make sure to listen to Spolitics on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And so I said, I know that, like, I had to sit with it for a second, and now this has come up. And, like, initially, I wanted it to be, like, a moment that brought us together. Like, hey, these are my triggers. Like, if you say you're going to do something and you don't do it, it really hits old wounds of, like, people that can't be trusted. And this is already, like, tough enough to, we don't know each other yet. So, like, that's really, like, I wanted it to be a moment that we can understand each other better.

And instead of, I was not like coming down on him for it. I really just wanted, I didn't feel like he fully understood me the first time. And that still needed to be addressed. Also, I doing those things, you learn about how people's communication styles and what they can handle and how you guys come to agreements of things. And I still needed to get a better assessment of that. And that was my time to do it. Time is limited.

I wasn't ready to have the conversation fully. didn't really fully understand where my emotions are at and that i expressed that to him i don't think he heard it because i think he was in such a defense mode that a lot of the things i said went right over his head and he was just like focused on making sure you know that i understood that it was deaded i guess okay so why um why did you give him your oaths i mean i feel like in I'm not afraid of conflict, you know, like, I feel like, if anything, it's like, I saw it as like a turning point to, like, help me understand how we can still move through things. Like, we're all making choices in real time with, like, limited information. And I still felt like we had enough built up into that point where we could just be having, like, a hard moment.

And we're going to keep going from there. Like, people have hard moments. Couples have hard moments. and I'm not just going to run when we have like not the best discussion and I still had like I you know I just I don't know it's not like me I'm like okay we have a hard time I'm like done um I mean I think it was yeah I think that was yeah like we had built so much up into that point I'm not just going to walk away from it and there wasn't like really I wasn't interested in starting fresh with anyone else at any point were you seriously considering not giving him your

Rose and do you think Dale was like I feel like I'm in jeopardy now? I mean he did say some shit right before the rose ceremony that I was like interesting but what did he say? I think that was when he first

said the background thing and so that was like oh is this where this is going and I was like oh I don't know if I like that very much but I still had curiosity I don't think I was ever like fully fully committed or at all to walking away from that relationship yet at all um yeah no i that was he was always going to be i like knew that it was we were going to continue on

and i and i felt like i was giving adherence like i don't think i don't know why he would ever feel like he was in jeopardy like of that i understand how like may have with the jonathan stuff but like if you feel like we're like as solid as you say like you know that like this is just a hard conversation and like even though it's on a rose ceremony night like that doesn't change anything it's just the limited time that we have yeah can you tell us more about the Jonathan stuff our conversation with him he described it as more of just like you guys were friends and he was just wanted to be there to comfort you but as it does kind of look like he's maybe interested in seeing if there's some wiggle room to get your rose to get your rows and to

explore a relationship i thought it was friendship i thought it was friend like when he sat down with me like you know it was funny like i was like i it was just it was actually like cinematic comedic timing i literally said well i like flirting with jonathan and i'll just like flirt with him the rest of the night and walks right over like that was like real that actually happened and so it was just commuting timing but I think he really was coming for a place of just trying to check in on me as a friend like it wasn't if he wasn't trying to like swoop in at least the way I was seeing it okay so you guys have kind of developed like a genuine friendship at this point and it's yeah yeah yeah support and I had I had definitely asked like I was getting guidance from earlier

and like talking through my emotions so but friends flirt um so maybe not usually but at the time it was still like yeah you know you can advance her but overall no i don't think it was ever like gonna be romantic and i think you do that okay so you give you give daly your rose and you guys both smile kiss happy yay and then right after you guys get back into i think you made a joke about the dentist situation you kind of tried to make like yes that's what happened it felt like for you like the fight had kind of oh i remember i remember that like it did vividly. It was so funny.

I'm like, okay, he's not saying any words. Like, I'm going to like, I'll do it. And I'm like, let me make a joke. And maybe he'll lighten the mood and he'll realize like, we're good. Like, we're just going to pick it up later. Things are hot. I could just see it in his face. And I'm assuming for you, like you guys will be having more conversations about this,

but just not right now. Like, it's not done, but like, let's try to light up. Let's have a good night. Let's go to bed, like not upset. so I make a little joke and I'm like oh that that didn't land I guess um you hated that and uh that opened up the conversation but at that point I was actually like first of all you're supposed to laugh when I make a joke so that's annoying second of all why are we still talking about this like what do you mean like do you understand that we could just like move on

tomorrow like you said but like also like why are we going back and forth at the same thing I just like we were talking about the same thing and I definitely felt like I got more first frustrated there because I'm like I just we're but I gave him a rose we're moving on like what what's what is the problem like let's not be so like hostile with each other we can still have the conversation but I felt hostility and like almost like he was like yeah like shutting me out and I I didn't like that very much well it was it was frustrating to watch because you guys are now in a place where you're having this this argument but you're not communicating like both of you are on like two different like you're saying one thing he's saying

and it's like there's no way with the way that you're going you guys are going about this you're not going to find a solution yeah I feel like every conversation got worse and worse because emotions just got heightened and heightened and you had simmered down like faster than he had and it just kind of like reignited for that last I don't think I discovered that high I think I stayed you yeah you didn't ever seem like he did but I also noticed that he so like when I noticed that he was getting worked up I really was like okay I need to stay here because if I match him then this is going to go through the roof and I kind of wanted him to pick up my energy to like we're okay we're safe we're okay we're safe like we can

just have this conversation it just like didn't at that point I think I was started to climb too because I'm like this is like insane like why are we still having this conversation why can't we meet IDI looking back I realized like there was no way we did um but We were literally speaking a different language, like, actually. So going to bed that night, how are you feeling? Oh, I was really sad that night. He said that comment about the background. And it was so, like, as I was walking away that I was just that I think all the emotions came at once and, like, all my fears of, like, judgment and everything just, like, hit me.

and not just that, but, like, I was really afraid to get back into a relationship that might be unhealthy. And, like, right now, the way we were communicating was pretty unhealthy. And so it wasn't just, like, a throwaway comment. Like, it hit pretty deeper, honestly deeper than I thought it was going to. But it just, like, brought up the misunderstanding fear, like, judgment, like, for just who I am. And then I'm like, well, I've worked really hard to show up this way, like, to be my fully self.

And then so when someone that I care about is, like, implying that our differences might be a problem. It just makes me like question like, okay, maybe I'm too much. Like maybe I shouldn't say anything. Am I like enough? And that kind of like verbiage and like language that he used, like even if it wasn't meant to be hurtful, just poked at like some really hard wounds that I went to bed with that night. And like I truly was like, okay, I'm done. I don't want to do this anymore.

I should have never came here. Like I had a whole crash out because I tried to do the right thing. I tried to bring up the things and like stay as calm as possible. But and then I felt like because it wasn't perfect that. And I was like, what do you know about my background? Because I don't come from the best background. Like, I actually have had a lot of things. Do you know about that?

And you're using it against me? Like, what? Or do you think that I come from this, like, perfect life? And now it's, you know, I don't know. I just didn't understand it. So I created my own narrative of it. Yeah. And then I was like, I just, I didn't know what was going to happen when I woke up.

Like I was like really contemplating, just like giving up. Yeah. Just being drama, you know. Well, we. we'll see what happens because this is basically the end of the episode or like the end of your story what we see of you and Dale so we're excited to keep watching I hope you guys work it out but you never know yeah Kat thanks so much for taking the time and coming on the podcast thanks for having me this has been such a better experience overall I would say it's been so fun so far so good

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