Bachelor Happy Hour - Kay Brown on Dating, Child-Free Life, and ‘Golden Bachelor’ | Golden Hour

Episode Date: October 29, 2025

Today on “Golden Hour,” Kathy and Susan are sitting down with Kay Brown! The Bachelor fan is here to delve into her updates, “Golden Bachelor” thoughts, and so much more. We start off hot by getting the tea behind her and Jared Freid’s podcast coming to an end — what went down behind the scenes? Then, we hear Kay’s updates--from her major health journey to dating as a woman who doesn’t want children, Kay gets honest and we love her for it! Next, we dive into all things “Golden Bachelor,” starting with Kay’s first impression of Mel when she met him. We hear her thoughts on the drama, who she wants to see as the next Golden Bachelorette, and Hometowns. Tune in now to hear all this and more and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Viva Betty on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour's Golden Hour. Thanks for joining us. We are so excited to be back today. Hey, Susan. Hey, it's always excited to be back. And today, wait to you guys see who we have. We have a very special guest.

Kay Brown is here with us today. Hi, Kay. Welcome to Golden Hour. You guys, I've been waiting for this moment. I'm not lying. They asked me to come on. I think it was a week ago. and I was out of town.

I was like, we have to make this work. I have to see them. I know we've done podcasts before, but I'm your guys' biggest fan. Susan, watched you on, got to get out.

Absolutely, no notes. Loved, I mean, absolutely no strategy, but 100% vibes. Kathy, you were my favorite on Paradise.

I thought you should have taken the 500,000. So I am here as a fan. Maybe a redo. Maybe a redo, okay. Yeah, we'll do a redo. We'll do a redo. Maybe I'll think about it.

Okay. We have so, much Kay that we want to dive in. So let's get started. I want to know what you've been up to lately. Catch us up. The first question I have other than what else you've been doing recently is I have to ask first off. Yeah. What's the deal with Jared Fried and you killing the podcast? Tell us, I want the scoop. What's the scoop? You're going to make me cry out on this podcast. No, so we actually, so Jared is obviously amazing. He was on this season of Golden Bachelor, which was, honest I was watching it like I was watching like the presidential like it was it was amazing watching him on the show but we he's become obviously huge he has the u-up podcast he has his um Netflix special he's touring all the time he has his own podcast it kind of just became so much that to balance everything he also moved to Florida so he's balancing back and forth and it just kind of wasn't it was too much for him and then

And so we're taking the podcast right now and figuring out what we want to do with it because obviously I still want to host something. I love talking about The Bachelor. We're going to try to figure out how we're going to come back for the next season of The Bachelor, right, which is all the buzz. Wait, so there's hope you guys will be back.

There's hope that I will be back. Jared TBD. I'm not sure what his plans are, but I am definitely sticking around. And I've been recapping my own. We know. We listen. I've been recatming myself.

You can bring your. information to ours anytime you want we love a third party seriously i love i love watching the two of you and especially seeing you on this season it was one of my favorite episodes you're seeing bringing the vibrators i was like this is cinema there was so much there was so much it was the best before we walked into the the mansion i tripped and fell in the bushes i mean there's a whole thing i kept screaming video this get this on camera i but you have to know my girlfriend okay as smart as she is that's how clumsily she is we have all these gifts in our hand and that one one of our producers are going back up a little kathy back up a little for the shot they wanted to take a

picture and she falls over this little rock enough enough enough about k so moving right along k i want to know what you've been up to talk to me about your life because me falling into bushes is not that noteworthy what's going on with you dating too right so the dating situation is interesting. I'm approaching 37 and I am still single, which is fine. It's fine. It's fine. Not worried about it. It's fine. Not worried about it. But I've had

kind of a crazy year. I obviously have been dating, etc., but I had a hysterectomy at the beginning of the year. I was... How's that? It was rough. It was very sick for like three years, but it changed everything. I had like endometriosis, adenomyosis. I had fibroids in my uterus.

so it's actually changed my whole life. But it also has changed dating a lot because I necessarily don't. I never wanted kids. And so this was an easy decision for my health. And I was like, you know what? I feel very fortunate to already know that. And I feel comfortable with that outcome.

And I know a lot of women are struggling with that. And that's not something that they want. They want to be able to carry their child. So I feel very lucky about that. But I just, my body. The menopause part. Well, I haven't, so I kept my ovaries. Okay.

I'm giving you guys a full-blown, like. Yeah, we want it. But you're feeling healthy now, right? Oh, my God. I feel like a brand new iPhone 17, like fresh out of the box. It's crazy. You look like a picture of health. A picture of help.

Look at her. I didn't realize how sick I was until I had that done. And I came out. I was like, whoa, this is how people have been living. This is normal. Right. You know what? That's such a good point because you had lived.

I don't know personally, but I know a lot of people who have your similar struggle and have your struggle. And it seems like when you resolve it one way or the other, it's like, oh, my God, this is what life could be. It's a whole new world. It's a whole new world. But it does bring up a different topic with dating. And so a lot of men. Do you mean the effect of not being able to carry children? Yeah. And a lot of men want children. Hey, I've got three. How many do you want? I know. A lot of men want children. And it's something that I personally can't give. So it's like a tough conversation also to have at the beginning.

But do you want kids? No. She says she didn't. There you go. What age men are you dating? A whole scale, I think. Like 40, 45, 45 year olds still want children? That's a little late.

I don't understand. I mean, listen, we have, I have 38-year-olds on their dating profiles saying that they're figuring out their dating goals, which is sending me into a viral. What do you mean? How do you not know anything about what you want at this point in your life? Because I have like a whole slew of list. If you get some late 60-year-olds, could you send them my way? Because you know, they're going to take the youngest ones I can get.

Listen, I was ready to go on the Bull Bachelor. I do not mind being sloppy seconds. All right. I have a question for you. Yeah. What if the man has children? Are you opposed to helping someone raise their own kids or is that a no? I mean, it's definitely not out of the question.

I don't think it's my like ideal, but if I meet somebody and that, and I want to spend my life with them, I feel like that's a compromise that I would make, you know? But I don't, I'm not ruling it out. She seems like a good catch, Kathy. Yeah. You know, there's a lot of us out there, Susan. Introduce me if you know anybody. Oh, please, excuse me.

The line forms behind me. Get in line. You know what you're right. Bracket. So tell me you went to the UK. Yeah, where? I did. I lived in Scotland.

So where were you in the UK? I went to London and then I spent a few days before in the Cotswolds at Soho Farmhouse. And A, that was the most expensive, like two nights that I've ever spent. And then London, I love London. I would love to live there. I would too. Never. The food.

The food. I can't handle the food in London. No beans on toast. go to Scotland and get some haggis so my niece lives in in London just bought her first time she's engaged to a Brit and I mean I love London I also could live there I don't care but rains I don't either I can deal I can deal with the the weather all of it until you live there and you're looking for a sunny day you will miss it you know it is tough living here in L.A. And I'm going and I'm like kind of gloomy and I don't care.

But then I come back. I'm like, wow, this is kind of nice. Yes, it is. So what were you doing? Was it just purely vacation? Yeah, just for fun. I had a fling there like a year and a half ago. I was like seeing this guy.

We were traveling back and forth. I know. So cool. And obviously it didn't work out, but it was really fun. And so him and I just met up for a Guinness, a pint, if you will. Oh, you had a pint. You had a pint. Yeah.

And it was so nice I have the worst Do you guys, I don't know This is a personal question But I left London Feeling so awful Because I get like insane travel tummy I can't go to the bathroom

When I can't go to the bathroom Oh no no no no That is a thing I either cannot go Or I literally cannot get off the toilet One of the other I never have that one It's one of the other

My pants weren't fitting I was like there is something wrong. Remember our season of the Golden Bachelor and the gas, if you will, and they said it was the meatballs and I said it was the guacamole. I have news for you. My tummy don't like to travel either. And it was backed up for a week.

And when I got there, I was trying to the guacamole. I was like, oh, my God, they were trying to buy me prunes. I said, I'm not taking that now. Then it was like an explosion. It's so bad. It's so bad. Okay, so now that we've discussed everyone's bowel habits, let's move in to season two of the Golden Bachelor.

Okay, we, we know that you met now. What were your thoughts when he first got announced him when you met him? Let's start there. Right. Susan, I think you were, we were both at the Hulu party there. Yes, we were, yeah. But when he first came out, I remember thinking he was super. attractive and his sunglasses remember the green and the I remember I remember exactly and I was like man

this is he seemed charming and I was like this man is um ready and I was like maybe a little too ready it seemed um I don't know it it wait too ready for what okay like he was he seemed too polished too good looking I was like there's something there has to be something that have you been watching this season K. Of course. He looked very sure of himself that day, confident. And now as we watch him, it's like, where's that guy? I also met him. We actually had a conversation at this so-fi. We went to a football game because he used to play for the Rams and Bachelor, Golden Bachelor, through that. And we had a conversation and we talked about Jared. And he is super charming, very, very nice guy. I'm glad I got to like chat with him and get to know him before the season started.

a little bit to have that kind of context because it sets you up. Because you know, you used to hear the podcast that he was on and the comments that he made. I got a direct interview with him because my son went to the University of Michigan. And as soon as I said that, oh, what dorm did he live in? Let's, I mean, it was all about University of Michigan.

So, you know, I had my name with him. He was comfortable in that conversation. What were your guys' impression of him? I'm curious. I know you guys were on the show and got to meet him. What did you think? Well, the day at the Hulu event, I had walked up to him.

after he was announced and such and said, I just want to welcome you to the family. Yeah. And he said, thanks, thanks. And he asked me something. I said, first and foremost, take the shades off. I'm going to look in your eyes. And I think, I don't know if he was uncomfortable or I just got a different feel.

Gee, I don't know why be uncomfortable, Susan. Get against that wall. Take your glasses off. What do you? I know. I know. It wasn't like that. Let me see those eyes.

It was like, okay, you really look good. I'm thinking walking in there. He did. He looked amazing. And he still does look amazing. But when I looked in his eyes, it wasn't like he saw a ghost, but I don't think that the confidence was he was uncomfortable. Yeah.

Do you think that changed when you met him at, on set? Yes, between him and I. Yes, he was much more comfortable. However, what he on the show, I feel like he holds back a lot. Yeah. Yeah. On the latest episode of next question with me, Katie Couric, I sat down with Bernie Sanders, who is 84 years old,

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your favorite women and who you're rooting for? I do want to say that I said from, I want to say episode, maybe three episodes ago, I had pegged, well, Peg and Debbie and Cindy as top three. And I was very proud of myself. I was like, I felt, I felt something. And I think Cindy's going to take it. Um, I think, uh, I mean, I think Peg is obviously going to be the runner up because we already got down to the last two. But I think Debbie is going to be the next golden bachelorette. If they do that, I said that early. No, no, Kay, please. No, go ahead.

Kathy wants to do it, but if it's not you, Kathy, it's Debbie. Listen, we could do it together. How about Debbie and me? I think it would be great if, you know, Debbie, it would be fun because she's never been married. It would be a really interesting storyline. Here's a compromise, though. Okay.

Debbie's the Bachelorette. You two are co-hosting, no shade to Jesse, love Jesse, but this is just an idea. I don't know, throwing it out there. Kay, we love you. We'll fly. That's right. There's room for Susan, me, and Jesse.

Okay, wait, I have a question, though. Did you always have them from the beginning of the season? That's what she said. Cindy, yes. Not all three, but I had Cindy from the beginning. Cindy from the beginning. There was just something about her that felt like, oh, this is going to go in that direction. They felt like a good match from the jump.

Yeah. I was not expecting Pegg to make it as far as she did. But once we got maybe like to the last, maybe seven. six or seven I go maybe after actually after the her first after one on one day I was like okay maybe prior to that I didn't think she was that into him no I didn't either and I thought she was going to be a little tough for him a little too but he's all about fun and yeah he's the definition of the word yes men are they just want fun they went easy they want whatever and it's like were any of the serious any of the elimination shocking to you like you were so

surprised that he sent so-and-so home or did kind of fall into place. I was sad to see, I don't know if you remember her, but Monica B. Oh, we love Monica. We love Monica. I was devastated. She was an icon at the roast. She was so good at that roast. Now, I have the big question.

Tell me what you think of Nicole. Nicole. Wait, we just jump from Monica B. I like the pause. I love the pause. Oh, also the other person that I was surprised about was Jerry leaving. I didn't think Jerry was going to leave. Wait, whoa, why?

Tell me why. They had a connection. And even the way he was like, he would kiss her and how they would like touch each other where they were talking. They, there was something there. I mean, I guess it wasn't as strong as the other ones. But I did see something. And I, I don't know. I thought, I thought there could have been.

I didn't feel it. I love Jerry. I didn't feel. I thought that, yeah, I think my struggle has been. then that I've said on another podcast, I feel like with these last three, Mel has whittled it down and those three embody what he would like in his person. So those three together. And I didn't see Jerry.

But that's interesting that you saw it. Yeah. But Nicole, it's, I'm kind of surprised, if I'm honest. I'm surprised at how she was speaking, what she was speaking. about because I think with this we watch these reality shows now and obviously social media is part of it and it's very looked down upon to talk about it while you're on the show and so when she was talking about I'm like is she knew has she not seen anything it was very surprising I mean just completely was like yep I want to do my own cookbook it's going to be not between me and Mel but

me in America and I'm dating America and put in the original cast of the first golden bachelor down you don't put another woman down oh correct the and her hating on the the previous cast that's us first of all yeah I don't think so girlfriend keep my wives names out of your mouth second of all and then also when she was leaving and she was like oh I know you're not going to end up with you're not going to make it with this one. So call me after. And it's not going to work. And I'm going to be the next golden bachelorette. I think she took a wrong approach. I kind of feel sorry for her. I was angry at first. And now I'm good to the point. Well, I really feel like she doesn't know what she's doing.

I feel bad at all. It was very weird to watch and kind of just. Well, did you see on the on the previews for the tell all? And she says, I really had deep feelings from. I'm like, did I go get a Coke during that commercial? Like, I miss that. Explain the feelings. Are the feelings in the room with us right now? Exactly. Or are those feelings? Did you love Terry and Cindy while she was kissing all over him in the pool?

She said she'd climbing them like a tree. It was the whole, at first during that scene, before we had heard all of the other things, when that scene happened, I was kind of on her side. I'm like, yeah, why not? Shoot your shot. You're here. Shoot your shot.

shoot your shot if nobody else's that's not anybody else's fault like they should be doing the same thing but then when you get to later in the season and you hear the comments it feels kind of icky okay so i have a question if you could have picked a fourth person for hometowns who would you have picked um i i think i would have picked jerry i liked jerry i wanted to get to know her more I liked her and I thought she had a really good vibe. Yeah, I think Jerry would have been in my top. What did you think of the hometowns? The hometowns were interesting.

It's different, right? Different. Different because they went to the three different cities, but then they came back to Bachelor Mansion, which was interesting. No, don't they usually do that? Yeah, they do because one. They usually do that.

Come back to about, well, like maybe in the Bachelor and Bachelor, They're like in an air hangar or something. Yeah. Sometimes. I don't know. It just depends. But yeah, they came back to back.

Which one did you like the most of the hometowns? I think I really liked, um, let's see. I liked Cindy's. I just like, I think I just like Cindy and Mel and I liked Cindy's daughters. Oh, they beautiful. Amazing. I also like, I think it was Pegg. Pegg's daughter.

She's like a hard ass. Dakota. Dakota. Yeah, she likes Pegg, questions. Wait, can I just say this has nothing to do with anything but I marveled at the fact

that Dakota, Pegg, and her mother all have the same laugh. I know. Oh, you know what? I didn't even notice that. I need to come back and listen. Oh my God. They all laughed.

It was like it was three laughing as one. It was really amazing. That is too funny. Too funny. But yeah, I think I just really enjoyed the families in general. So that's what I was going to ask you. What did you think about the families? I mean, the daughters.

I liked the daughters. I liked how serious they were taking it. And how especially like Peg's daughter, Dakota was, she's like, I'm not falling for anything. Okay. She's like, I need to know why you're here, what your intentions are. She's like her mom. She's like her mom. She says it like it is.

And then when he came to talk to Pegg afterwards, she goes, isn't my daughter a blast? She's so funny. And he goes, oh, yeah, we had such a good time. Kathy and I are looking at each other. That wasn't fun. So Susan, Susan and I are watching this episode together. And he goes, yeah, we had we had so much fun. I look at Susan.

I said, am I watching the same show? Did they edit something? If that is fun, because this guy keeps talking about fun, you Mel likes fun. He wants fun. Like, if this is fun, I have a mortuary. I want to give you a tour up. I have a few ideas. But I also don't want to.

like skip out on Debbie because I like Debbie's hometown a lot too. I like seeing her twin sister and also I love her entire story on never being married being I think that should be told more and I think it's just not a story we get to hear a lot, especially on these dating shows in general. Right. That's like she'd make a perfect. Exactly. You know, it's funny.

Yeah, I'll tell you, Kay, I've gotten some flack on social media because I said that I would not date someone who had not been married before and boy did I take a lot of heat for it but the men that I've dated who were never married I think men are different from women I was about to say and that and the people that wrote me I don't think they get that no women are we are central we are caring we're built that way yeah yeah men are just like steamrollers it's about me I've never had to worry about anyone else and and so it was I think Debbie is charming and lovely and caring and I agree with you 100% her story should be told more and seeing her family and just in her like family but chosen family because yeah she doesn't

have kids or a husband or anything go ahead do you think that had anything yeah with his decision because of the family the pure wholesome I don't know I don't know I think that's that's a good question. I don't know. I don't think I know Mel enough. He doesn't let us know. And he's asking everybody else. He's like, I need to know more about you. I need to know this and that. I'm like, I don't know you, my guy. Show me something. That's what Cindy gets to towards the end of and her daughter's saying. Yes. Like what do you want? I'm not in love with her, but I'd like to get to know her. It's episode what? I know. I know. And who was it? It was Carol who got sent home at the end? No, she went home. She chose to leave. And I get it. I get it. That makes

I would have to. Yeah. I would have. So wait, I want to know of the final two, who do you think's got the best shot of ending up with Mel? Because I will tell you, I've gone on record. From the beginning, I've said it was Cindy. Yeah. Now watching this. episode this week and when he said that about the three women all embody you know the woman he wants sure and he's been very clear that he's unclear about what he's looking for right so i would be surprised if he doesn't pick anyone but who do you think he has the best shot that's a great hot take and would be an interesting ending to this season um i do think it's going to be Cindy uh but because He does keep mentioning fun.

There is a chance that he could choose Peg. Yeah. It's a 50-50 at this point. It really is 50-50. But if I had to put money on it, I would choose Cindy. Just because she... Do you notice that he... Oh, sorry, go ahead.

No, yeah. Just because she just seems, she seems as invested as him. Peg, I think, is still on the fence. But let me say, every toast, Susan, I've talked about this, every toast he's made with a champagne at the end of a roaster mind. He said, toast a... fun and adventure, and that screams Peg. So I'm with you.

I don't know. I always thought it was Cindy, but like I said, the end of the show this week, I see her mind going, and she wants somebody that can't live without her. He's not given her that. Yeah. He's not, I don't see that. Yet. Yet.

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they forget which daughter it was that said when you do you see yourself next to my mom growing old in the rocket chair? I'm never going to be in a rocket chair. I said, whoa. And she's like, okay, whatever, bro. Yeah, whatever, bro. Hiking. Yeah, hiking, you know, climbing Mount Kilimanjaro, whatever it is, Bub.

Yeah. Yeah, no, I get that. And I realize that when they get to the overnights, the women don't see each other. And I remember our season how Gary told them both that he loved them. Mel will not use that word because I don't think. I think he's ready to say it. I don't think he is in love. But wait, Kay, do you think it's,

you don't think he loves any of them? No. He's not ready. Do you think it's okay? Do you think it's okay if he, at the end of the season? I know the show's about love and final love. How do you feel if he chooses no one?

Instead of saying, who's he going to choose? What if he chooses no one? What do you think? Ouch. I think that's better than choosing someone and having the fate of Gary. Oh, daggers. Unfortunately, I think I would rather him choose no one than Gary choose some, like, and then having Gary's trajectory because that was a lot.

Wait, wait, wait. If he chose to get married and I could do the wedding again with, with Jesse Palmer, I'm in. I mean, if it's another divorce, okay, as long as I get to be at the wedding and have a microphone, I'm good. Well, I need to be invited to the next wedding because it was in Palm Springs and I was very close. No, let's be clear. Girlfriend, where were you? Laquinta. I stayed at the Laquinta.

I think it was last summer, maybe two summers ago. Very pretty. It might have been the most beautiful wedding ever. It's gorgeous, yeah. Like Kathy made a statement about the road. There were so many freaking flowers there. I said, I looked at Susan and I went, there are so many roses at this wedding.

There's not going to be a damn rose left in Pasadena for the rose bowl purring. I know. It was that bad. Okay, wait, I want to know if Golden Paradise 2.0 happens. Oh, do you have any picks from this season beyond me, which is from season one? So they'll probably have right. Nicole definitely will definitely show up. She'll be sniffing underwear like April.

No. Oh, Jesus. Because my my thought on paradise is I've always thought this. when you go to Paradise, you're either going to, as a redemption story, or to ruin your reputation. It's one or the other. You go on there, like, what's his, Jonathan, for example, Golden Child on Jen's season, everybody was obsessed with him, then comes on Paradise, and he kind of got Shad on. Yeah.

I had redemption. I had redemption. So, yeah, I hear that. A redemption arc. It's either one or the other. So I think Nicole would go on. I hope Monica B goes on loved her definitely if Pegg does not get picked she will be on paradise she'll be a buyer let's ask you a question where all the guys coming from yeah yeah I think

we need another we need a few more seasons bring some young ones in because I one of the things that when I was recapping paradise this past paradise one of the things that I loved about the golden side of it was that I'm like I don't need anybody here to find love like I don't need the the golden bachelor and bachelors to find love I like watching them experiencing all of this and having fun and building these friendships because honestly when I'm 65 if I'm single et cetera I will be so set in my life I think at that point that I won't we won't care somebody else in I'm like yeah what's the point yeah they all watching this year yeah yeah I mean, I would, yeah, I would bring someone into my life, but I will tell you're right on the money, Kay.

It was such a joy to watch these young ones, experience love, fall in love, and, and for me to have those relationships for them. So you're right on the money. And once again, they could have fallen in love had they brought some more men. There wasn't a lot of men to choose. Yeah, there wasn't enough golden bachelor men on there. But I just, I really loved the goldens were the best. part of this season truly wait do you want to do you want to specify more which goldens were the yeah i think kathy was a good do you know have you heard of um her i truly i was like he has the strategy

she's going in for strategy she's like no i'm going to win she's like keith you're staying here we're going to do this no but no no no to be clear no to be clear i want to go home he decided to stay that was not me i know it was great though It was, but Keith and I were like, we're not taking the money. That was nice of you. I would never take money from young kids. You're better than me because I would have been like, bye. Let me try.

Peace out. Let me try. Peace out. I've got that money being A-C-H-Y right into my bank. I know we're supposed to be talking about Mel's show right now, but I have to say, Kathy wished that they really did stay overnight in that field with the horse poop and that was the worst night of my life just watching it. I loved it. What's her name?

I felt so sorry for her. Oh, Pat. Pat. Oh, my God. No, I would have been home. I would have been like, yeah, I'm going to have to send myself home. Self-illiminate. Self-illiminate.

You would have seen the last of me. Loved it. People thought I was joking. Keith and I would have spent all night in that tent. I loved it. The camping was the best night of the entire time in Paradise for us. I mean, it is so funny to watch. Do you camp?

Do you camp? Absolutely not. Okay. My idea of camping is no phone in the room. Okay. Yeah. The most I'll do is like we went when I went to Soho Farmhouse and we stayed in this gorgeous cabin with like that works that that works we're glamping or nothing I just don't I mean the girls when they first showed up to the campsite in paradise they were in like their cocktail dresses yeah yeah they were dressed and of course Kathy fell over the table do we remember obviously I mean like it could happen to anyone it was a great scene though it was a really great scene there were a lot i liked this season a lot i it was fun there's so many twists i have getting back to mel

now right he's gone to first hear the women tell all i love that's my favorite part my favorite one too my favorite it's the best one i love the glow ups um because every because a lot of people are seeing themselves on tv for the first time and you're like oh that's my haircut or that's what i was wearing let's yeah josh it up that's why everybody comes back in their yeah full glam I love watching the glowups. And they're confident and they feel better. So, Kay, we, we've got to ask you all these questions. I love the fact that you love Paradise.

We all love Mel. We want to refine happiness. But in the few minutes we have left, we want to offer to you. Do you have any questions for us? Oh, okay, yes. Look at her. She's quick. Let me think.

I actually am curious. I think I asked you a lot of the questions. while I was going on there, but when you showed up for this season, like for your appearance on the show, did you have any input on what you guys were going to do with the women? Oh, I'm going to answer that one. We were on the phone and Susan said, oh, let's bring vibrators. I said, absolutely not. And there we walked in with vibrators.

Does that answer your question? Yes. Yes. I had a fit about the pajamas. Like, we'll color you get. Wait, wait, wait, we got to wear pajamas. Can we order our own? They're like, no.

I'm always I'm always curious about that because I love seeing people from previous cast come back and interact with the cast especially you guys because I see the two of you from that season as sort of like I would come to you for advice like you were the people who I'd want to come to for advice from that season so I was always curious I'm like do they get to pick what they're doing like are they

or are they just told this is what we're doing or do you have like they said we're going to have a pajama party we want you to talk to the ladies give them some advice You've been through this before. You know, it's going to be a great surprise for them because that particular night, Debbie, was on a one-on-one with Mel and, you know, let's meet with the ladies and, you know,

get them back feeling like they're, you know, because you know how it is. It's tough. Sure. And so we came in, well, after I fell in the bushes, we came in raring to go. And it was, didn't you think it was interesting, Kathy, when we first sat down with all of them,

the questions that they were asking. They were very excited to see us. Yeah. I was taken back by some of the questions. Was there someone or a few people that maybe their personality surprised you or that you liked a lot or maybe didn't like? There was nobody I didn't like. They were all great.

I chatted with Cindy because she's from Austin. And Peg sat next to me from the get-go. And Pegg shared that she was a little rough around the edges. She's used to being with all men. And I go, okay, Peg, all right, let's chill, let's chill. Let's just try to be a little softer. And we work together on that. You know, I, and that's who she is.

Yeah. And then Nicole, I talked to chat with Nicole, and she was telling me that a lot of the ladies were asking her how to have makeout lessons, how to, you know, how to get deep kisses for Mel. I'm like, listen, I'm single and have been, I can't help you there. I'm like, I don't have the, you know, I don't have the answers for that one. Right. However, Nicole did everybody's makeup in the house and stuff.

Oh, so Nicole was. was getting along with everyone. Oh, yeah. Then it was early. Oh, that was a bit earlier. Yeah, but you know what? It was so fun. I have to say, being back in the mansion was so fun.

So in a, in a strange way to sort of relive and re-enjoy without the stress. Yeah. The feeling of being in the mansion and just feeling what those, what it felt like to be part of such a, you know, a trailblazer, first time ever. and watching these ladies on their quest for love. I loved it. With that being said, that was so much fun.

Thank you so much to our wonderful guest, Kay. It was really great getting to know you, hearing about your life and your travels and all your opinions on everything Bachelor. This was so fun. I love you both. Big fan of the two of you. So anytime you want me on, I'm back.

We'll definitely. We'll come join you sometime too. Thank you to all of our listeners. Listeners, we hope you enjoyed this as much as we did. Be sure to follow us on Bachelor Happy Hour as we have new episodes coming out every week that you just don't want to miss. Listen to Bachelor Happy Hour's Golden Hour on the IHeart Radio app or wherever you listen to your podcast. Till next time, have a great week. On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric, I sat down with Bernie Sanders.

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