Bachelor Happy Hour - Kit on Why She Wishes She Had Been More Compassionate During the Show

Episode Date: February 2, 2021

“The Bachelor’s” Kit Keenan joins Rachel and Becca and talks about why she hates being called a “socialite,” why she came on the show in the first place, and the biggest misconceptions people have about her. Plus, she shares what she what learned watching back the show, and what she wishes she had done differently. Kit also discusses how her famous mom influenced her growing up and what she has taught her. “Bachelor Happy Hour” has exclusive interviews every week. Watch “The Bachelor” on ABC and listen to “Bachelor Happy Hour” the next morning.   Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode. See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. Welcome back to another exciting episode of Bachelor Happy Hour with me and that girl, Rachel. And as always, we are bringing you one of the fabulous women from this season. We have none other than Kit herself who, you know, at the beginning of the season, she was proclaimed as a socialite. But we are so excited to have her on because, as we know, there's so much. more to all of these women than just what their title and their bios have read so before we get

into her and and the cute little one-on-one that we saw between her and matt last night we just got to get into a quick little recap because there was a lot of drama of course very on par with this season that went down again um on top of that i kind of like we're starting to settle a little bit and find more of the love story but i do want to see much more of that to come you know and thankfully it will with some of the women that have now gone home. So let's just get into it, Rachel. Let's get into it. So off the top, I mean, we start with, to be continued from last week, right?

We start with the rose ceremony. We see Matt, at the very top of the episode, thank God that Matt finally stepped up here and addressed everything that was going on between the women. He addressed the rumors that have been circulating. He addressed the cattyness. and just the cruelty, I think, that we've been seen as viewers. And thank God, because I said last week, like, he better show up this week. Like, he better stand his ground.

He better have some of these women's backs. Like, he, like, I needed more from him, and I feel like in that very first confrontation with him between all the women, like, he did just that. And then we see him go and, of course, have a conversation with Anna and send her home. So what were your thoughts on that? Yeah. So this whole episode, it's like, the I guess like the juiciness was in the first half of it so and I was I was shocked I didn't know we

were going to I just knew he was going to give that last rose to Victoria and he didn't so kudos to Matt for that I really loved him saying you know Victoria I just I've never seen anything like it and I don't want I don't want to see it again I just that she truly has no idea this can't be an act this is not an act anymore I mean I do think that she's an actress and she's playing things up I think she thought things were going to go a certain way. I think she thought, hmm, maybe I'll be a Karen. Hmm, maybe I'll be a Demi. No, at the end of the day, she's just mean.

She's just a mean girl. And when Matt questions her about using the word ho, and he's like, what concept of being called a hoe is acceptable to be taken in? I was like, great question, Matt. And what if Victoria had for him? Nothing. No answers. She looks like a deer in headlights.

Yeah. I was really, yeah, I was really, really happy to see him take charge. I was happy to see, like, he made a statement when he sent Hannah, excuse me, Hannah, when he sent Hannah home. He made a statement. He was basically saying, this won't be, like, I stand behind Britt. This is unacceptable. You're ruining this woman's life. Like, whether it's true or not, you don't talk about things you don't know.

Don't talk about things you haven't seen and don't talk about things you've never heard, period. I learned that lesson a long time ago. So he needed to send her home. She knew it was coming. She had to go. I hope she's learned her lesson in all of this. And I do hope she's, nobody agrees with what she did. We know it was wrong.

I hope she's okay, because she's going to get a lot of heat. And I don't know what it's like to get that much criticism to be, I mean, she's universally disliked at the moment. So you guys was like, we know she was wrong. We know it was tacky. We know it was inappropriate. It was handled in the correct way. Matt sent her home.

And let's just leave it alone. We don't have to hear about Anna and her rumors again. And Britt stays so we can see his relationship progress with Britt and we can learn who she really is rather than living in a space of rumors. Victoria, she's gone. Ding dong. The witch is dead. You know what I mean? Like out of here.

Good rid is. Like cut it short. But we saw a lot like Mari. I was shocked. We haven't seen a lot of her, but she went. That was a big one. Lauren. I thought they had something we even asked Matt about.

that. When he was here, Catalina, one of the newer girls, she went home. I was surprised at the group of girls that went home. I feel like this week, Matt really kind of like took charge and realized, what do I want? Like, what do I want in a partner? Like, I'm not here to screw around anymore.

And, you know, like, where I criticized him last week as like not taking enough initiative and not standing up enough, I feel like he went into it, guns ablazing this week. And he's just like, no, like, I'm the prize. If you say something, that's out of character or that I don't align with against these other women.

Like, you're gone. And that was it. I want to ask your thoughts on this because prior to both Anna and Victoria leaving, we see, obviously, him confront them. And then we see all these apologies happening. Like, and to me and some of the girls called the other females who were apologizing at this point. Like, why is this happening now? Like, you've had days to say these things. And now you're just saying it because you got called out. Like, it's like you're walking out. with your tail between your legs. What were your thoughts on that? Because it didn't sit well with me.

Yeah. I mean, if this was an Olympic race, the ladies would have beat Michael Phelps in the backstroke. You know what I mean? Like they would have set a record in it. They got, they went real quick to backstroking, real quick to going.

You know what I mean? It was, and I laughed when I think it was Serena who called them out. One of the serenas. She called, she called him out. And it was true. Yeah.

I mean, it was a wake-up call to them. Like, Matt's not going to take this. You need to get it together. This is unacceptable. And who knows whether it was sincere or not? We'll never know that. But it was, but we noted the fact that the timing on it seemed to be. A little fishy.

A little fishy. A little fishy. Yes. Yeah. A little suspect. Backstroke. Oh, man. Yeah.

So, you know, we moved on. We saw two one-on-ones. Rachel got a one-on-one. I'm going to say this. Every week we ask you guys to send us constructive criticism and comments and your thoughts. And you guys have sent a lot of thoughts about Rachel. And there has been a lot of, are you going to address the things that you are sending us? You've sent them both to Becca and I and I have actually discussed this.

We are not ignoring you. We have heard what you said. And I promise you it will be addressed one way or another. but I don't want to talk about a situation until I can actually, we can actually talk to that person. So I don't want to talk around it. I don't want to talk about, I don't want to live in a space of rumors. Don't call me, Anna. You know what I mean?

Like, we ain't Anna up on this podcast. But when the time is right and should she be a guest, which I do anticipate she will be on our podcast, then we'll talk about it. So right now we're going to talk about Rachel, to aid Rachel, that's how I'm going to refer to her. we're going to talk about 2Aid Rachel in the sense of what we saw on this episode okay that's a disclaimer but please believe it's coming

so 2Aid Rachel goes on this shopping day which I'm sorry where all how are they able to escape and go to all these places do you think that poor Claire and Tasia were stuck at the Lakita and we saw them you know around that same

pool take going those that same bar in the cardboard taxi all owned the cardboard taxi the same set of hills the same white buildings with the Spanish tile I mean these like on that season they're on farms they're going boxing and like they're in museums

car museums now shopping um with Beyonce's stylist for goodness sake did you know that? No Thai oh yeah damn time um um tie I don't know if he still does but he styled Beyonce for a long time because he's from Texas

oh yeah this um yeah no the more i see of of the grounds of nemecola and i'm like is this a resort or like what do we even call this it's like its own state right now it's like rhode island yeah it's probably bigger than rhode island but i'm happy that they're making things happen though like i'm happy we're seeing it um listen Becca you you had a date like to aid Rachel I what um so you can speak on that how that feels I okay well also like this the date that I had was very, very similar, but also the very first date of this season where I literally, Rachel, I was standing there naked in front of Rachel Zoha, she was dressing me. And I'm like, the only thing running through my head all day was like, thank God I shaved my legs, like as I'm being dressed. But it's, it's such an interesting situation because it's probably any woman's dream to get dressed up and to have all these beautiful gowns thrown your way and lubitons to try on. And it's really, really incredible, but it's also very nerve-wracking,

like, to do on a date with a man. Like, it was just so far outside of my comfort zone. Like, I felt like I was in a dream. Like, I, like, at one point, I remember going to the bathroom being like, is this real life? Like, is Rachel so really outside? And am I wearing lubotons right now? Like, this doesn't feel real. And I think Rachel felt probably similar. Like, she's like, this isn't my normal life. Like, this is, like, so outside of my comfort zone. I feel like she appreciated it more than maybe some of the other women in the house. But I mean, God, what group do you want that? Yeah, no, it was definitely nice.

Is it just me or did you think that when she came back with all those blue shopping bags that there was nothing in them? I felt like they were, they had me do the same thing. Was there anything in them? Rachel, they literally loaded up. Okay, everything. I had, I still have some of the stuff that I was gifted. Like, it was everything from like bathing suits to leggings to leggings to hands.

bags, like anything you can think of. And again, like, oh, that is what I was going to say. Like, that was probably the most uncomfortable part was they literally loaded my arms up with all these bags. And they're like, okay, go talk to the women. And I was like, oh, I'm going to bring all this in front of the women. I was so uncomfortable. I felt so bad. And of course, like, you know me? I was like, if you guys. Of course you did. And you know what, Becca? I would have been like, actually, what's that show were you? I was like, oh, you want to do that? No. I came back. Well, so my date that night lasted so long that everyone was already sleeping, but then the next morning I was, I actually went through everything. And I gave some stuff away to the girls. At least I were in my room. So nice. I was like, yeah, I don't need 17 bathing suits and 14 pairs of leggings. Like, have some. Take it. And it was. Which was nice. Like I, yeah, it was an experience. And I could just share it with the girls. But that was the uncomfortable part. Like, you know, and I think hopefully to. Like everyone realized, like, you know, Rachel probably doesn't want to walk in with 74 bags on her arms and have to like share it with the world.

But, um, but too, I mean, she also wasn't hiding those heels that she was showing the red bottoms. Yeah, she did. And I would have been kicking up my heels too. I mean, listen, it is what it is, ladies. He took me on a shopping spree. What can I say other than, you know, I enjoyed myself. So you have experienced being on a shopping date. I have experienced. so I'm going on a date on a farm. And let me just tell you guys. That's right. I almost quit the show after this date. And I wasn't alone.

I was leading the charge. Me and Astrid were leading the charge. I remember we went on a date in Wisconsin just like these women. And it's nice that these women were participating in the farm activities. Astrid and I were standing in the corner covering our noses.

We were like, absolutely not. If he likes us, he likes us. If he doesn't, oh well, I'm not picking up manure. I'm not milking a cat. I'm not and I used to spend my summers on farm so I know what's up I don't need I don't need to do this okay Nick was there were there were 13 of us Nick wasn't paying attention to it just oh I just felt for these women I know the struggle it doesn't matter how much manure you shovel into that willbarrow it doesn't matter how many teats you squeeze it doesn't matter how many chickens you taste

how many eggs you it doesn't matter if he likes you he likes you and it just it was it was painful to watch it's and I I it's there's really not much to say I can't believe they did it again that's what I was will say those poor women well that's what I was thinking I was like didn't we just do this and like let's go honest say it's not that entertaining of a date

you know it's like be shoveling shit and moving hay bales it broke me I think those those dates are for to break you that evening at the cocktail party I was crying in a bathroom because I couldn't believe that my life I left a legal job to go

shovel manure on national TV what was my life you couldn't get you couldn't get the in the state of Wisconsin which look I loved Wisconsin

that three years when I was there but I left as soon as I was done I couldn't believe it was like I was back you know what I mean I was back

where I started I just I couldn't believe it that this is this is what I came on TV for this is what I put my life on hold for I thought

if I go home after this week oh my gosh you know well how was your experience well I was just shoveling shit last week like I just I can't I can't we got to stop this you go on the bachelor

and you just have to move pay bill start a petition somebody started petition that the farm dates they must be stopped they must I will say though I would have been with the goats the entire time like screw the dude I would have just been hanging out with the girls I was I was looking for home my way home

like what is to okay so the sun shines this way moss grows on this side of the tree how do I get home how do I get back Get me out of here. Well, Bachelor Happy Hour listeners, I bet you didn't think you'd get the real inside scoop from the two of us today. That was almost it. She almost wasn't Bachelorette. She almost never met Brian or had this podcast because I've lost, a piece of me still resides in that manure on that farm out in Wisconsin.

Some of me is still out there. It is. You did. You really did. So then on the rest of the rest of that. this episode we saw Kit get her one-on-one which we don't have to talk about that because

we can get all the inside scoop from Kit and then of course we couldn't end the episode without a little drama you know it was a it was a drama sandwich right drama at the top of the episode we got to breathe a little bit

and then bam they hit us with MJ which we should have known that was coming a little bit we should know MJ was coming but we see this two on one a weird two 1-1 with M.J. and Justinia. Yes. Yeah, right before the cocktail party, which you know what I thought of? When we did the little superlatives with Abigail, she said Jacinio was the most outspoken. You remember that? Or somebody. Whoever, whoever had the superlative said justinian was the most outspoken.

That's right. Yeah. Well, when you say unexpected, like I didn't. I mean, I could have 1,000% said that MJ would have been on this two-on-one after some of the other women women went home. I did not picture just any of us. I'm intrigued to see. I mean, as MJ said, get the popcorn ready.

So next Monday, you know what I'm going to be eating when I'm watching this go down. And I don't know. Anyone involved in like heavy drama at this point? I'm like, just send him home, Matt. You've had your time to get to know some of them.

You had a new crop of women be brought in. So just like, let's cut the bullshit right now. So yeah, leaves us hanging. Again, like, just like last season, I feel like there's so many to be continued. Like, we can't just start and end, like, with a normal roast ceremony. Gotta keep it spicy.

Gotta keep it spicy. Ladies, got to keep it spicy during quarantine, I guess. Yeah, if you're going to come on this show, you see the writing on the wall. You never want to be in this situation. You know, MJ, if our MJ, I would just be like, look, just sitting here, let's just like, let's just come together real quick. Let's just do what we need to do. Let's make amends. Let's show Matt.

We can be the bigger person. the two of us came together, we're fine, and all we want to do is focus on you. I mean, how powerful would that be if we actually see women do that? Actually see women get it. This is doing you no favors. If you make it through this week, you will not make it through

the next. Just same. Listen. Yeah. I just, well, and just anybody made a good point at the very end. She's just like, whether, like, Matt sees it right now, he's going to watch all of this back one day in a couple months, like, which obviously we're seen right now. And like, people strip colors will come out. And so,

yeah I don't know what it is it feels like a lot of these women are kind of delusional in the sense of like we've seen how they've acted, we've seen what they've said and then they're like wait but I didn't do anything wrong and that's the same case I feel like at this point with MJ and so yeah

I just like maybe I'm missing something I don't think I really am but yeah I you know at this point like I thought MJ was like cute night one and like a little bit outspoken and spunky and witty and I'm just like I'm over it Having been on a farm date, I'm going to say she lost a little bit of herself on that date as well.

Somewhere out there in the manure. So maybe I should have a little bit. I should feel a little sorry for her because I do know how you can lose it, spending hours on a date like that. But anyways, enough of the shit. She lost it in the chicken coop. Let's get to our guests. Okay. We've been excited to talk to her all season.

She's been a focal point on Matt's season. Put some respect on her name. Welcome Kit Keenan to the podcast. So Kit, let's get to know the real kit because we get to meet you guys through your bios first and then we meet you for two hours a week on our television screens. And there's so much to get into because, I mean, people are talking about this group of women. And hopefully you can set the record straight because there's just a lot, a lot going on. But let's talk about you first.

We got your bio. We didn't like it. Okay. No one likes it. Didn't like it. And this isn't a knock on you. It's just like I'm, I know who your mom is. So I know who you are.

And I was like, this girl has so much more to offer than what they're, you know, presenting. So you tell us about yourself. Like, who is Kit? What is Kit about and how did she get on this show? Because people really want to know that. Yeah. Well, I think it's important to remember through everything for the viewers is that you only are getting a one-dimensional character of who we all really are. And I definitely came in strong night one with like the whole gossip girl vibe and all of that.

But I think I read something recently that was talking about my podcast with my mom and the writer had listened to some episodes that we have and was like, wow, there's so much more to her than, you know, coming out of like a nice car and being a socialite, which I was so mad about because that was my original title on the show. and I felt that it completely diminished my accomplishment. I am a senior at NYU right now, studying fashion and business. And I have been a small business owner since freshman year of college. And I host a podcast biweekly with my mom, produce and edit it myself. So there's a lot more to me than nice cars and having. a public figure as a mother. Well, and this is what we need to hear

and that I think our listeners want to hear and to back Rachel up, because when we were reading your bio, she's like, there is so much more to this woman than just being a socialite, you know? And that's what sucks is when you're reading and writing these bios, like you can only put so much on paper. And so that's why we love week by week having new girls on because, like, you can tell us about these things.

Like, you can tell us how you've been a small business owner for years and you run this podcast and you're editing it. And like, you were a badass woman. So obviously you were going to school. You are a busy woman. What made you want to come on the show? And how did you get involved in that? Yeah.

So I actually was reached out to, through social media. And at the time, it was, you know, a few months into quarantine, school was going to be online. for the next semester and I thought to myself like this is probably the only time in my life that I would be able to do something like this because it was pretty easy for me to take a semester off of school and now I made up those classes already in January. So that was awesome. But I just think like after this I will have a job full time and not be able to take time off work probably. So I was kind of like, why not just see what, you know, what could come of this? Like I, and I'm sure we'll get into this, but I've never been in love before.

And I thought, you know, this is like a fairy tale experience that I'm being offered. Let's see what this is all about. So, yeah. Was it a fairy tale? What she got in? What she got inside the bubble? Is it a fairytale you thought? I mean, I really, I never cry.

I'm a very cold person emotionally in my day-to-day life, but I was cracked open. Like so, it's a very emotionally taxing experience. And, you know, you hope that at the end of it, it's all worth it. And you kind of have to just have faith in that. but it definitely is, it was, this is going to sound so annoying, but it was one of the hardest things I've ever done. And that also just goes to show how privileged I've been in my life to be able to say that. But emotionally, it was very, very, very hard, especially not being able to speak to my family

and my mom, who's my number one, you know, supporter and just my lifeline. So not, being able to be able to reach out to anyone who knows me was really tough. Yeah. Don't feel like you're, you know, don't feel bad about saying it's the hardest thing that you've ever done because Becca and I have been in your shoes, it is hard, especially when you, like you said, you're cold normally or you cut off your emotions on the outside. I'm a very emotionless person on the outside. I'm actually super sensitive on the inside.

I don't like to tell people that. but it's true. I'm like, I'm very soft on the inside. And this experience strips you of everything except your feelings. And that's all you have to deal with in a bubble. So it's, it's a, it's very eye-opening. And there's a level of vulnerability that you tap into that you didn't even realize you had. So, you know, that's just, don't be ashamed of that. That's just honest. And we all feel that way. And to be honest, too, I feel like everyone comes on the show. And you can be tough. be hard. You can be like, I'm not going to cry. And eventually, you break. Like, everyone at some point or another, it happens. And they're like, whoa, my God, why am I crying? Why is this happening?

But it, like, did you at any points? I mean, because like when you are left with nothing but your feelings and your emotions and really trying to invest in this relationship, it kind of becomes in a weird way, like a therapy session day by day when you're with the producers and the girls, like having these feelings where you feel like you're busted open and you, like, really have to elaborate of like why you're thinking and feeling certain things. Did you feel like that? Like it, you know, it's definitely difficult, but did you ever get to the point where it became more steady and you're like, let's talk about this? Like, let's have this therapy session. It feels good to be able to get everything out. Yeah, I think, I mean, well, if you aren't being cracked open

and you still have those walls up, you're probably not invested enough in the process and in your relationship. So I think at a certain point, yeah, if you're there, long enough and you do get to invest in your relationship, you're going to be emotional at times because it is like, you know, you're building hopefully towards the rest of your life. So it's very emotional. And I think, yeah, it did definitely interview became a little bit of a therapy session for me day to day, which was great. And previously, I had started therapy. for the first time in quarantine. And it was like my 2020 resolution to really work on my mental health.

And I got to start doing that over Zoom, which was weird. But I actually love Zoom therapy. And it definitely felt as though I was building off of that work that I had already started before I got there. That's amazing. Therapy is everything. And it prepares you. for this experience. So last night, we saw you had your one-on-one date. Now, I want to get there,

but stop. Let's go back a little bit because I want to talk about how we got there. As I said, you know, at the top of this, this interview, there's been a lot of talk surrounding the women on this season. And to be frank, it's been very hard to watch. But you were there. You were in the middle of it. So, like, while we have you, we want to ask you about that. Maybe you can clear up some big, some misconceptions that there may be. Maybe it wasn't quite what we're seeing.

But you have been grouped with the main girls kit. You have. And then, but, like, we see you in last night kind of, like, admit what it is that you're part, you know, in this whole thing. and like of you vow to be better but before we get there like what is going on is it really this toxic situation that the viewers are seeing every monday night yeah again i go back to the whole you're only seeing one side of thing so it's one harsh line here or there when it's been several people speaking their frustrations and their feelings um and i definitely Definitely, after seeing how I react to frustrating situations, I reflected and I thought to myself,

wow, I should have more compassion right off the bat. And I have apologized in the Sarah situation specifically because I think it's really, her situation was she had compounding factors that were, you know, affecting her time there. And I didn't know that. And I wish I could have been there for her. And, you know, she could have been able to open up to me about that stuff because it's so hard. We're all going through this very difficult, you know, very emotionally taxing experience together. And, I mean, I made amazing friends through it.

And I just think that there is, you know, though we're all doing, dating one guy, like there is opportunity to build those relationships with other women there too. But I also think that a lot of the criticism that I have gotten is very gendered and I don't like that. And I think if a man had said some of the more aggressive things that I said on screen, he would be applauded for standing up for himself. and because it's a woman and women are supposed to turn the other cheek and be compassionate

and vulnerable, I think it's harder for people to see that. And yeah, it's something that I'm working on, being more compassionate right off the bat, but I grew up with a role model who never took no for an answer and built her empire off of that. and so when I feel as though I am not being respected, I'm going to say something, I could have said it in a less aggressive way. I'm just trying to look at it and I'm trying, you know, and week by week we're seeing different storylines take place. Like a couple weeks ago, it was, of course, tough to watch all of the women.

It felt like gang up against Sarah. And, you know, like I have to put. myself back in your shoes. Like, I remember at that point, like, when you're filming, obviously, like, when it's airing, it seems so much more dramatic. And it seems so much more like, oh, my gosh, she said this or she did this or, you know, this and that. Like, so I can see where you girls are coming from. Because we actually asked Chelsea this last week, too, like, did it seem that extreme in the moment? And she said, no. Like, she said it was a conversation. And so I get that. Like, when you add in the music and the, like, facial expressions and the reactions from everyone, it seems so much more. So I can

imagine being back like in your shoes it probably came across differently that it did as a viewer and like the sarah stuff aside now i think overall the past couple weeks of of what we're seeing is more so like more bullying in general when the new girls come in and there's this whole mentality of like the varsity and the jv and of course then you have victoria who i i feel like she's on her she's on her own different level that that is just not to me condonable where she's calling these girls sluts and whores and hoes um and i think for me as a viewer like i wish that more people other than just katie stood up stood up for the new girls stood up against victoria using this language stuff like that so in that regard and i get like you know if you're if you

feel offended and if you feel upset like that's one thing but it's the name calling like in the nastiness and the cruelty of the words and the language that we're seeing to certain girls. Like, that's where it rubs me such the wrong way. Do you watch that back now and, like, do you have any regrets in that regard? Do you wish you would have stood up a little bit more against Victoria or, like, stood up for those new girls coming in? So when the new girls, the first night that the new girls came, I cried my eyes out because I had become close with Kayla in the house. and seeing her leave, I felt as though, you know, Matt was choosing woman that he had just met that night over very accomplished, like, super smart, amazing woman.

And because I didn't know the new girls yet, and I didn't know their situation, I, you know, I felt hurt. for my friends that I had met over the past few weeks. So that was difficult, and it definitely adds a little bit of tension off the bat. But my mentality towards the new girls, I tried to just think of it as, you know, though it kind of stinks that we've all invested time thus far, and we've really been broken open to this process and been so vulnerable with Matt thus far. It stinks to see him seems like give up on relationships

that he had been starting over the past few weeks, but at the same time, him being able to explore for new relationships meant that I, at the end, would be getting this version of him that had seen all there was out there and still chosen me. So that was my mentality going through it was that now he just gets to explore more relationships and that in the end strengthens yours. But you can see how like the audience can feel a certain way by what they're saying. I mean, I would say, say seeing the escort rumor situation was absolutely horrible to me because

it's wild yeah number one which i said right off the bat was if she is an escort sex workers rights have become such like a way more transparent topic in our culture and I would hate for this show to make an entire industry look like a negative thing when if it is consensual, if it's legal, if these people are getting paid for their work, that's awesome. On the other hand, I still recognize that there is stigma around that work. So saying somebody is something or does that job is incredibly not okay. And if it happened to me, I would be so upset and watching Brittany how she reacted to that, I applaud her because I don't think I would be able to continue with the

whole process if something like that, if I had to deal with that through it and also know that after leaving the show, this would be tied to my reputation. Just, because of the societal stigma that unfortunately still surrounds that work. Well, and then, what was her name? Hannah? Anna. And Anna brought it with the intent to be malicious. She was trying to be negative or to bring something to the table that was negative to

Brittany, which is what made it worse. I don't know what Anna. Actually, I'm going to call her Hannah. You know what I mean? So she called Britney out of her name as an escrow. I'm going to call her out of her name too. I don't think Hannah, I don't know what Hannah was doing. But the great thing is, is that finally we see Matt shut it down.

And that's what I really appreciated. I thought, where are we going with the storyline? This cannot be a whole storyline. This is a really bad look. But to see that he got down to the issue, saw what the problem was, and shut it down. It was almost like a cleansing of the house between that and Victoria going home. I said, who! They must feel so much, it's like, it's like to stay at home orders being lifted.

You know what I mean? Like, you feel like you can breathe. I was like, finally we can actually just focus on our love stories, like each of us. Because prior to Anna leaving and the whole Victoria drama every week, every rose ceremony, it was just like, why am I even here? Like, I am just constantly talking about girls in the house. You know, in interview, it was just like questions about that, questions about the drama and all of that. And I'm just like, can I just like have a few minutes with Matt? Because I need to figure out, do I like him?

Because I have had five minutes here and there with him. and the rest of the time has been consumed by drama in the house. And that was so just unfortunate to me. So seeing him handle that situation, I was like, like, you look really good right now. Yeah. You're looking amazing because thank gosh that was handled.

It was like so much drama for no reason. I, and I don't want to fix it on the girls that left in the drama too too much. I do want to get into, of course, your time with Matt. But I want to ask you this because you're obviously the guests we have this week. I truly would ask probably any guest, any woman that was living in the resort at this time. Because I think there's a disconnect where, as a viewer, you know, I'm seeing a lot of this drama and the cattyness with some of the women like Victoria and Anna and MJ go down. and so as a viewer I'm witnessing this but then some of these women are thinking that like they aren't doing anything wrong and that they're great and that they deserve apologies and so

like and you know them because you obviously lived with them for a small amount of time and so like is there just a disconnect with what I'm seeing like do you truly think that they were in the wrong because I keep seeing Victoria being like you know my intentions were good I'm not a malicious person, but at the end of the day, it's like you're continually calling these women, these terrible names, but yet you think that your Matt's wife and then no one else here is good for him. Like, was she always like that? Like, did anyone at one, like, besides Katie, say like, hey, like, stop with the bullshit.

Stop with the name calling. Stop with this trash talk. Like, where, like, am I just missing some disconnect there with some of these girls? Yeah. I mean, there were times The thing about Victoria is that she, I honestly

I'm like, you should have a comedy special because you are such a talented comedian. She's very, where? But, where is this, where is this comedic act? We are, we are,

it is so not coming through the television screen. Yeah. I've, I've, I've to get to last. So that. Number one is a side of her that I don't think is very seen on the show. And then also, she opened up to me and a few other girls about traumas that she has dealt with in her life.

And I would say that that's the type of thing where it is like you, I wish that side of her was shown because I think it would elucidate why maybe. she acts certain ways towards other people um i don't know if she was willing to open up about that to matt so i'm wondering why um it isn't shown but again people you know are two-dimensional and multi-dimensional in person and that doesn't always come across on screen but i will say with a lot of the things that she has said that i didn't see her say a lot of the very derogatory language she uses especially towards the new girls was absolutely disgusting to watch so um i'm not going to defend her but i will say that there are sides of her that you don't see but it's definitely like unforgivable a lot of

things that she said yeah i've never seen a person who's so who lacks such self-awareness. She's truly delusioned personified. And that's about her, because she's gone now. Yeah. We assume she's not coming back. I thought it was going to be longer, so I really appreciate that we can move past talking about her.

But let's talk about you. You finally got your one-on-one. Now, I know it may seem like you waited forever, but this is peak time to get your one-on-one. It is. It truly, it's a sweet spot. because you've been building on your relationship and then you get it in the middle of the season, as opposed to, sorry, Becca, I know you were a first date, you got the first day,

but a first dater, it's like they get so excited, then everything kind of goes down from there. And like, it's just a hard spot to be in. So you get your one-on-one. Not only do you get your one-on-one, but Matt remembers something very special that you told him, which, let's be honest, with men, we're always like, are you listening to me? Did you hear what I said? You didn't have to question that with Matt. He was listening to you and he planned an entire date around something that was very sentimental

and brought a piece of home, you know, to Nimakolin for you. How did that feel and just like just that feeling of getting that one on one? Yeah. I mean, I literally have chills now as you're saying that because I cried when I got the date card because I just felt so seen and you're, you know, in this house with so many beautiful women and you know other relationships are progressing. And to think that he remembered the fact that I, you know, that cooking is so important to my family and, you know, having a mom that's so busy and being, like, cooking is the only

time that we have together a lot of the time. So it's it was so important to me and I felt so connected to my mom during my date and to my family. So yeah, I get chills again like thinking about that. It was truly the best date that I could have had. You know, there were other situations where I was like, wow, I wish I could have gone skydiving or like I'm such a risk taker. So I love like the ATV date would be so fun. But having that sentiment in the date made it so romantic, so I couldn't have asked for something more perfect. And I think it's special to not only for the fact that he remembered something that you're, you know, that is so personal to you, but it's also a great date where you probably had a lot of time together. When you're out, you know, doing something more

adventurous, you don't get, you don't get to talk as much. It's more muddled by like, what you're doing and moving from A to B, like here, your date replicated what real life could be in. And that's something that you said like, this, you know, tonight is what our life could look like, which I think is really special. You also did mention in that conversation with Matt that you were falling in love with him. Yeah. So I want to know, and I'm sure all of our listeners do too, like, when was the moment where you were kind of clicked where you're like, this could work. this he could be the one and like it could be us at the end of this like when was that moment for you yeah oh my gosh I feel like sick to my stomach saying it but I am a person that in previous

relationships I get the ick real quick like after like once once the relationship goes into like okay this could be something very serious usually i run for the hills and matt's pretty cringy guy he does a lot of like goofy stuff oh i'm glad we're acknowledging that at the point where i saw him wipe out skateboarding and i was like wow you are still so hot to me i was like what like i'm a sim i am this is it's just like you it's so I mean you're asking me to explain what falling in love is like which like there's only metaphors to explain that but I think for me it's like you love of that person the cringy parts um the amazing parts that just like make Matt a one of a kind

human being um but yeah it's so hard to explain but it's a feeling like you're at the top of a roller coaster right before you go down yeah that's a good one that's a good metaphor um i feel like a lot of people think they know who you are because just knowing like who your mom is or where you come from, people think that it's easy to generalize who kit is. And you've probably dealt with that your entire life. And now you're on TV, so you're on this public stage for people to have their opinions about you. I feel like there was a conversation that you and Matt had with one another where he asked you what the future would look like. And you know, you basically say, and I'm paraphrasing that it would look like this. Like a date night would be like this with you.

And for you, do you feel like people have a misconception about how you live your life and what a relationship with you looks like? And yeah, because you do come from a glamorous life, which, listen, don't be ashamed of that. When you rolled up, was it a rolls that you rolled up in? Whatever you rolled up in, I was like, get it, girl. I'll take your nymocolon and I'll raise it three. three i raise it to my spot in the hamptons yeah i mean i think people think that my life is like gossip girl um and i've gotten the blair waldor thing and i've kind of like played into it a little bit but obviously

it's oh my gosh this is yeah this is something that I've struggled with my entire life. And to say struggled with it just means that, like, I have been given so much in my life and I've had so many amazing opportunities and experiences that, you know, it's, yeah, with all of that comes some explaining and some rightful, you know, people saying you are so privileged, Yes, I know that I try all the time to be comfortable with that.

And, you know, at the end of the day, it's not like I'm going to fashion shows every day. That's part of my life. The glamorous things, yes, I've been able to experience a lot of that. But it doesn't mean that I'm not down to cook dinner at home. I'm very much an introvert, so I do, like, if I'm not out to events or whatever, I love being at home. Like, I love, you know, just hanging out of my sweatpants or whatever. So it is, it's something that you would only see if you're one of my friends or someone I'm dating. I want to ask you this and kind of going into just your life because you are you were the youngest woman on this season correct but and it's interesting because we had the same conversation with Noah last season because he was also the youngest and he got a lot of crap for it from the other guys in the in the house and for you like age doesn't dictate experience like you've obviously.

experienced a lot of really cool unique things in your life that most people probably haven't and like talking to you and just watching you also on TV like you can stand the drama you can hold your own but did you ever get flack from any of the girls regarding your age or was that something that because they got to know you and how you're brought up in these different experiences that you lived through was it not ever really an issue I mean I don't know what they would say now, but when we were there, I think a lot of the women were very surprised at how mature I was from age. And yeah, I think that comes from growing up in New York City, having a lot of experiences at a very young age. I mean, I started going out when I was

14. I don't know if I'm allowed. Girl, me too. But like I had a think I did when I was very young and was going to clubs when I was very young. So at this point, I'm like, can I just have a glass of wine and go to bed at 9 p.m.? Girl, a woman after my own heart. I always say I turned 30 before I turned 21. So I, and I think that that came across to all of the women that were in the house with me. Who were you the closest to in the house? Piper.

Really? yeah we haven't seen a lot of piper i know finally she's getting she's getting more time which is so important because she is hilarious and honestly her face her facial expressions like give me life throughout the entire show so yeah she's one of a kind um so obviously coming down to this show and you know you no one ever knows what to expect it's like you know the basics of it like you're going you're going to meet 20, 25, 30 women, you're all, you know, vying for one man's heart. You know the basics of it. But what was one thing that once you were there that you really learned about yourself?

I mean, I might be surprising for some of you, but I am not a confrontational person at all in my life. I never have drama with my friends or it's very hard for me to stand up for myself a lot of the time in my life because I'm more of an arbiter and I think that comes from growing up with divorced parents and I would say that I would mostly in my life I would prefer to just be comfortable and safe than sometimes to stand up for myself. But being in such a shortened and very intense experience made me want to stand up for myself more, which was honestly a growing experience for me and something that I've taken into my life now. I try not to be as explosive with it as I am at times on the show, but

I think it's very, very important to stand up for yourself and not turn the other cheek in a lot of situations. My last question for you is we've seen the show be a certain way up to, it seems like this point, like things are starting to turn. Is that the case? Like, I know you can't tell us what happens, but if you can give us a hint, do things start to change? Do we see more love stories come out?

Or is it just? Because, I mean, also in this episode, we saw MJ and she was like, oh, y'all thought it was done because Victoria's gone. You know, hold my beer. I got this. MJ, the person, not the vibrator. So is that, do we see things start to change? Oh, my God, yeah. Well, hello, they do, because Heather comes.

give us a sneak peek about that we don't like that i mean yeah so heather comes and that was at that point i was just like give me a break one more thing after the other so yeah there's there's a little bit of drama so but i think it definitely it starts to get serious and that and get to the point we're like we're all really examining our relationships and kind of focusing in on ourselves and thank gosh not talking about the drama in the house anymore good good good viewers want to hear that hopefully our listeners will want to hear that um before i get to the last question i do want to ask you this and uh you know it's funny because obviously manhattan is a huge city but you know it's still a small world and natasha our dear friend who we love so much you know she was on peter

season. We know that you guys have met previously. Did you ever reach out to her before coming on the show to get any advice or to gauge kind of like what you're getting yourself into? Yeah. So I met Natasha through my family friend who I've known and he's known me for my entire life. And I did reach out to her during the casting process when I was deciding, is this right for me? And she, definitely she warned me about a few things that she faced especially just like the hate online and um some of her struggles with that but that you know i've always kind of faced that sort of hate um and criticism just from being in the public eye since i was little so i'm more used to that. It's definitely on a bigger scale now and it's very nasty and I won't say that I'm not

affected by it because it does affect me. But I'm definitely pretty used to it at this point. And I would say she definitely gave me some words of advice in terms of like she said that she met some of her best friends on the show and, you know, it is worth the risk of what might happen after and sort of the negative attention on you for this amazing opportunity to hopefully like meet the love of your life. And so yeah, I took the leap based on that advice. Well, you've been smiling. I mean, did you meet the love of your life? I, like, Kit, you want to talk about it? I don't know.

She's good, she's good, she's prepped. Okay, actually one more question before I get to like the final final that we ask all of our guests. So like, what is your five-year plan? Like, in a perfect ideal world, you know, like once you finish school, like what does your life look like? I believe I'll work in fashion after school. And that's what I'm going to school for. but a huge part of my life has always been health and wellness. So that is something that I think I will take through whatever career I have

is definitely like an emphasis on mental health and physical health. Yeah. That's awesome. Great. Well, we can't see. I mean, like, if you have someone like your mom leading the way, I have no doubt that great things will come from you for sure. Okay, I promise this is our very last question.

And we ask all of our guests this, like I said. But overall, up until this point, what was your rose and what was your thorn of the journey? I would say the rose was, well, I'll do the thorn first as easy is the drama in the house. And the response to the drama in the house towards me, the negative response, that's not fun. but I'll end on the rose and say that I never thought that I could be so vulnerable with someone. And I also didn't think that I would be able to let my walls down in such a way that I did. and it it just

it broke me open in a way that I know I'll be able to take into the rest of my life and I'm so thankful for that that's really great that's really beautiful wait before we go

we don't know what happens the rest of this season like this is the first season I always say this I'm going in totally blind like don't know any spoilers so I don't know what happens with you, but if it doesn't work out with Matt, would we potentially see you on the shores

of paradise one day? I don't know about that. We'll see. I don't blame you. It's a different. Shit, y'all lived paradise, okay? This is, this, I don't know how I would feel about women showing up randomly. You sign up for that in paradise.

You don't sign up for that on The Bachelor. So. Yeah, but they got the short end of the stick. Yeah, but it's like you lived. I just, I don't even know how. I am never negative about how you guys responded to the women coming because I don't know how I would respond to that. Like, it's just, it's unfair to Matt. It's unfair to you guys.

It's just, it's unfair to the women coming in late. It's just a mess. So it's only entertaining for the people who watch it. I, um, but then think of how potentially easy Paris can be once you've already lived through all. Think about it. Think about it before you step on those, step on those shores of paradise. yeah it has been an absolute pleasure having you on um and when you're in la i'll bring you some bordeaux if you like spark in wine i'll drop some off but um we just are glad that you were able to take

some time out of your busy day your crazy schedule to be with us and chat with us yeah thanks for being here nerves are gone good good take care enjoy the west coast and um yeah we can't wait to keep watching you on the show. We'll hopefully see you again soon. Okay, how great was Kit? It's nice that she could come on the podcast and clear up some misconceptions that people have about her, which I feel like that's low-hanging fruit, right? It's easy to pick on the girl who, you know, it's like Corinne on my season.

It's easy to try to sum her up and think you know who she is. And I'm happy that she was able to speak her piece on Bachelor Happy Hour. I am too. And, you know, we got a we got a lot. learn by now that you can't just judge somebody by their bio and she's so much more than a social light like she has so much going on i can't wait to see where life takes her um and even though she is the youngest woman on this season like she's lived a life and she still seems so mature and grounded and like she's finding her way in this world and so you know i always love getting

to know these women yeah i will say most of them yeah yeah most of them but i we hope you guys loved her too. We hope you guys enjoyed the podcast and she gave us a really good tease about what's to come. You know, a lot of you have been frustrated about all the drama that we're seeing were what, five, six episodes and we're in the middle of the season at this point. And she kind of alluded to we're going to see more love stories and we're going to see more other sides of these women. So that's really promising. So, you know, here's to better days ahead, you know, for Matt James the season. So thank you guys so much for hanging out with us. We're so excited for next episode and the next and the next and the next until we get to the end of this thing and see how

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