Bachelor Happy Hour - Knockin’ Boots and Second Chances in ‘Paradise’

Episode Date: November 17, 2023

On “The Golden Bachelor,” it’s the week all of Bachelor Nation has been waiting for — FANTASY SUITES! As Joe and Serena break down every moment from the season’s most anticipated episode so far, they dive into an unexpected “morning after” with Leslie, a major shift with Theresa, and, of course, their questions over how Gerry’s journey is going to end.   And where do we even begin with “Bachelor in Paradise”?! With the arrival of Jordan V. to the reunion between Katie Thurston and Blake Moynes over two years in the making, this episode had no shortage of moments to discuss, and Joe and Serena make sure to hit them all.   LISTEN NOW!  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the Psychology Podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about how to be a better you. When you think about emotion regulation, you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denials is easier.

Complex problem solving. Takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So in the last month, the Midas Touch Network beat Rogan, Tucker Carlson, Candice Owens, Charlie Kirk, and Ben Shapiro all combined. What happens when three brothers take on right-wing media and start winning? I find out on the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. We just want people to live their lives and be happy and be able to enjoy it without some, you know, lunar. tick screaming in their face every three seconds listen to next question with me katie kirk on the

iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts hey everyone welcome back to bachelor happy arm joe and i'm serena and for today's episode we are going to like always recap the golden bachelor we have overnights we have a lot of sex jokes um so we'll talk about that because there are two women left and then we are going to recap Paradise. And we have two guests coming on this week, both from Bachelor and Paradise. And both were very much involved in this week's episode, especially Blake Moynes at the end. So he will be coming on. And then we also have Rachel, which I can't wait to ask Rachel about what the deal was with her and Tanner, because I found that to be odd. Yeah, she's been jumping around the beach a little

bit. So we've got a lot to chat with her about a couple of her different relationships. Blake, on the other hand, has really been locked on just the whole time. That doesn't seem to be working either. We'll get into it. Because honestly, it just seems like at this point, there's a lot of people that are just there. You know? And like... Versus not being there? No, versus like being in a relationship that is on pace to potentially get engaged. Totally. Okay. So let's recap, let's recap Golden. All right.

Well, fantasy suites, big week. I feel like the number one question for every fantasy suite week, especially this one, is, are they going to have sex? And that was the main theme of the episode. We opened with Jesse and Gary chatting about the ladies and intimacy. And I think Jesse asked, are you going to be intimate with these women? And Gary said, well, what does intimacy mean? Are we going to chronological? order you want to go out of order in order yeah in order yeah so we're in Costa

Rica yeah we're in Costa Rica but you didn't say that oh so sorry so sorry this chat takes place on the beautiful beaches of Costa Rica we open to Jesse and Gary sitting in two chairs facing one another also how beautiful the Costa Rica look it's gorgeous I would love to go to Costa Rica but I'm nervous about all the bugs apparently you have to like shake up your shoes before you put them on because like critters will sneak in. Ooh, that's an issue. Same issue with like Australia for me.

Yeah. We don't do well with insects in this household. No, we don't. But Jesse's like, what's going to go down in the fantasy suites? Are we making babies? This is the first time I think all season we've seen Jesse kind of break a few times. He did. He was like a little nervous and uncomfortable having this conversation with Gary, which I like,

I like seeing those moments because he's always like in his professional host mode. And you could tell he was kind of like. And Gary called him out. He was like, you looked away. Gary's like, what are you nervous about? Like, old people still knock boots, which was funny. Were you surprised by this? Or did you think he was going to be, like, more conservative with his answers?

Gary? Yeah. No, I figured he was going to. I thought he was going to have fun with it. He does say later in the episode that it's nobody's effing business. Yeah, tell him, Gary. Tell the people. But, like, I mean, this is what this episode is all about, right?

It's all about overnight and what happens. during overnights. Yes. So we got the first overnight date. We've got Leslie. They have like a overcoming fear date situation where they do cliff repelling. Yeah. Leslie, I just, I was just looking at my notes real quick.

So yeah, it seems, it seems that. What does this say? Leslie is so, so sick of being alone. Because she is. That's what she said. And it does, I mean, watching it, it seems like Teresa and like in Gary's defense, like Teresa isn't there, but it just doesn't, it seems like he is going to choose. I even wrote like Gary, like you're almost saying,

you're not almost. You're saying a little too much. Yeah. Well, the way, so they have their day activity. That's all great. And then we move into the night portion. Just the way this date is going. I really would not have been surprised if Gary sent Teresa home the next. like he's like you're my girl i love you you're the one you know he quotes trista again pick the woman you can't live without he tells leslie she's that woman like trees or sorry yeah teresa's like not even this she is not in gary's mind he loves that trista line also no offense to trista but i'm pretty sure that's been on like a hallmark card for for years prior you don't think she she made that one up well if you did trista you better you better get the rights

to that quote because it's been used a lot and yeah i don't know what do you think i mean like leslie said they have a little sex chat leslie's like when was the last time you had sex yeah he said what was his timeline he said he didn't give a timeline she said it's been a year and he said it's been it's been a while it's been a long time um so what that means i don't know but and then leslie's like i'm ready to do death do us part which i thought was really nice Nice. Yeah. And I think Leslie, like she said, like, she's kind of been like waiting her whole, her whole life for this.

I literally have my notes, Gary better sent Teresa home tomorrow. Because that's how, like, that's how much was happening between the two of them. That's how much was being said between the two of them. Yeah. Do you think they had sex? Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely.

Well, we both said after we watch it that in the morning, the morning segment, after put the potential sex. Leslie did seem off. Oh, yeah. No, the morning was something was weird. I don't know if something happened or honestly, they might have just been really tired and she might have just been like, I don't feel like filming right now.

I want to go back to bed because those are really long nights and early mornings. But there wasn't like, they weren't sitting close to each other. The body language seemed weird. Gary seemed okay, but, like, Leslie on, Leslie seemed upset or, like, pissed off. Like, the energy was not great. Yeah, I remember, like, watching it, I, it seemed as though, like, maybe he had, you know, brought up the fact that Teresa stands a really good chance. But then my mind changes at the beginning of the Teresa day. Well, this is my take.

All right. I think Leslie And we know Leslie I think is like A fan of the show Or she's watched the show Whatever

But I think Leslie thought That there was going to be a conversation Of like you're the one It's not Teresa And either like I'm going to send Teresa home or whatever And if I'm Leslie And he's saying like

You're my girl All these things I'm like Why do you need to go Have an overnight With Teresa Gary? Like why do you need to do that?

I feel like you don't need to do that. And I think Gary is not closed off to Teresa, but is really like loving on Leslie. And I think she's at her breaking point a little bit. I think that's where the tension comes from. But that is just my guess off of like one scene of her looking annoyed with him. So I could be so off. Leslie almost reminded me like her vibe in the more.

was almost giving Rachel and Zach. Do you remember that? Yeah, that's actually a good comparison. For listeners, Rachel Rechia, who were having on from Paradise when she was the bachelorette, Zach, the former bachelor, their overnight date did not go great. But maybe we're wrong. But you agree. You agree like something was off and it felt like Leslie was the one who the negative

feelings were coming from. Yeah, but what you said before, you probably, I mean, odds are they, they, probably got she probably got an hour of sleep and was probably just like I don't want to film I agree the only reason I think that there's something more is just the body language between the two of them like it just felt like felt off it felt off felt like there's tension like I there's no denying it but we don't really get any answers on that so who knows who knows if we're reading into something here date number two we've got teresa starts off rough starts off rough and this is why i think i'm potentially we're we're wrong about him saying anything to leslie about

trisa like trisa trisa said they're as they're on horses this is the worst date like ever did she say yeah she said that she said she said um i mean i know she was like not thrilled i mean i wouldn't be either you know what was she said this date is so so boring and yeah and it did well it did look boring i mean he he looked really in his head you see a clipper she like calls to him he like doesn't even answer her he's in front of her she's behind him which like remember on the at tv date with him and leslie like he let her like go up ahead was it was it leslie i think so yeah yeah and he was like making sure she was okay the whole time i feel like he's like on this date alone like Gary is on the trails on this horse by himself in his mind and Teresa's like hello

I'm here and she's like fair enough to her she's like this is a really important date for me this is a really important day like I I don't know what's going on yeah to me watching it watching it it seems like Gary has made up his mind he's choosing Leslie doesn't even want to really be on this date with Teresa and he keeps saying like I keep thinking about Leslie I guess not thinking about Leslie whereas like he didn't even mention Teresa on his date with Leslie Yep, and then they go to dinner and something happens. Yeah, there's an evident shift in his, like, how engaging he is with Trisa and just like, I don't know. Well, hey, I'm shocked that he didn't even know what she did.

Well, that's the shift where I think we're both referring to is Gary said, like, I think you should tell me, like, what you do for work. And Joe and I both looked at each other and was like, you don't know what she does. for work like gary what do you mean so and then as she answered the question you know her answer was very impressive and i actually really liked listening to her talk about what she did because there's a level of like pride and passion there um i found truce it to be the most likable in that moment yeah like there was she was confident in that moment um i feel like we saw her like comfortable, like very comfortable. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious.

Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy?

That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the Psychology Podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential. I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation, like you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it if it's going to be beneficial to you. Because it's easy to say like go you, go blank yourself, right?

It's easy. It's easy to just strengthen. the extra beer. It's easy to ignore, to suppress, seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walk the other way. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denial is easier. Drinking is easier. Yelling, screaming is easy. Complex problem solving, meditating, you know, takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So in the last month, the Midas Touch Network beat Rogan, Tucker. Carlson, Candice Owens, Charlie Kirk, and Ben Shapiro all combined.

Conservative podcasts can have a major political impact, but the Myceles brothers, three siblings with a serious media strategy, are building an alternative to that. On the latest episode of Next Question with Katie Couric, I sat down with the brothers behind the Midas Touch Network to talk about how they built a progressive media powerhouse from the ground up, why audience interaction is the key to political influence. and what it takes to fight disinformation at scale, one download at a time. We should be focusing on the issues that actually occupy a lot of the mental space in Americans' minds but are filled with conspiracies, and we should fill it with the truth and solutions. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. yeah i i don't i don't know we only see so much but i do feel like you know gary being the first golden

bachelor probably never having watched the show really not know knowing at all what he's doing and then basically being the main focus point the entire show you tend to like maybe not ask questions to the people that you're dating or enough questions because or like not want to pry or think that they're like telling you everything well it tend and it's almost like it tends to just kind of always be all about you and maybe um and like the women work always you know maybe more forward and asking him more questions and it just You know, Gary, it was a lot about him. Yeah.

So I feel like, yeah, a little late, but we finally see him like asking questions. Yeah. So he finally asked her about her career. And she is a great answer. And I just feel like there was a shift in him. Like, I feel like you could almost see he was like, wow. Like, I don't know that much about this girl. And what I've just learned, I really, really love.

And they go into the fantasy suite and they come out and the energy is great between the two of them. And he talks a lot about like learning about her and their shared values and things they have in common. And I feel like it was like. Which makes me a question how did how like how do people get this far? Is it just off of it must just be off of a little bit of chemistry. and not much else. Yeah, I think maybe he's been leaning into chemistry a lot

throughout this journey and he went into Teresa's date more intentional with getting to know her after realizing he didn't know as much as he thought he did and I think that potentially progressed the relationship

passed where he was with Leslie. Yeah. Because they were like what I expected him and Leslie to be in the morning. They were giddy and happy. They were giddy in the morning. also looked at her in the morning and said you know yeah like you know how i feel about you it was

like he the way he emphasized you know it almost seemed like he told her like i'm choosing yeah like you're the one i love you but we don't know we don't which would be crazy yeah not like not crazy and like what are you doing gary just crazy in a shocking way of like man i really was like it's leslie like that's his girl he's telling her that it's his girl yeah but he's also kind of been like this the whole time he basically did this with faith too so we really don't know it could it's not like i'm like oh it's definitely teresa no i'm not either i'm just way more torn now of who it's going to be yeah because it really did like after the leslie date it was after the leslie date and how the teresa date started it's really hard to think that he's not going to choose leslie but now i i think

it could be either of them. So yeah, I think that wraps I think that wraps golden. We'll see what happens. I'm so intrigued. I'm really curious to say how this valley is going to go down. Have we seen any teaser of him like holding a ring? No.

Man, I'm really fixated on that. I mean, we have seen him say multiple times that this is a close second to losing his wife. Oh yeah. We've seen that clip in every teaser for the entire season. I mean, that is The most emotionally charged moment in Bachelor history.

So I'm curious. I'm curious to see what that, what he's referring to. And we'll just have to wait because we have a two hour live finale on 1130. Okay, let's get into Paradise. Let's do it. Ready? Gotta pull up. Paradise notes.

Pull them up. Paradise notes. Yeah, Paradise. Okay, Bachelor in Paradise. First things first. We see Michael takes Olivia on a date. We see John Henry and Kat are now into each other. Okay.

Yeah. I think the date with Olivia, Michael went great. I'm really happy he took her. I'm really happy for her. Yeah. She seems excited. She seems like someone that falls hard and fast. Like she feels emotions really strongly.

We saw a lot of interviews from her, not a lot from Michael. So I'd be curious to know about his feeling. But I thought they were really cute And I hope it works out I really liked her this episode Me too Especially during the roast And I actually feel like

And I'm not just saying this I really feel like Her and Michael seem to have a better Like playful fun connection Than her and John Henry did I feel like she has such like a bright personality She needs someone that's gonna match it I just I don't know

For me I just feel like I wish I wish Will would have given Olivia a chance and let that last a little longer than going on the date with Kylie. Yeah. Because I feel like Will and Olivia could have potentially worked. I think so too. And I feel like after Will left, I don't know. Yeah, I think Olivia was into John Henry, but you don't really see too much chemistry there.

but he did seem to like her too I don't know I think her and John Henry liked each other but I just think I'm waiting for her to like find her person and it wasn't John Henry and I hope it's Michael yeah but I also would have liked to see her and Will I would have liked to see how that could have played out if they stuck it out too I agree that that could have been a connection

yeah it's hard it's hard to get a judge on on Michael because we just don't know enough about him totally and it's and we're running pretty late into the season it's always tough when new people come in at this point to be the new person. But we do get two new guys on the beach. Jordan V. Who is the guy that's probably a little more well known than the other one who Taylor,

who I believe goes home night one on charity season. Jordan V got Rachel's first date card on her season of The Bachelor. Yeah, and Joe was calling for him to be the next Bachelor. He, yeah. You were like, make this. guy the bachelor this is crazy you were just like I wouldn't be surprised it would be so crazy like he got so much attention he was like I you know first day of the season gets in home race car driver like they should make him the next bachelor yeah but they didn't um they didn't no and now he's

here on paradise try to date rachel again he comes down and takes rachel on a date again what do you think you think that was a mistake I don't think it um I don't know if I would say it was a mistake I think on one hand, like, it didn't work out with Rachel so like maybe try something new. But on the other hand, like, if he was into her and he thinks that this new environment could make things go a different way, then why not? I also think that coming in so late, you are at a disadvantage of time and they've already spent time together. So he's kind of like, let's just build off that versus me trying to get to know someone new. I don't know. What do you think?

No, I agree. I feel like it's like a casino, right? like my his best odds at this point are probably with rachel and the fact that she's still somewhat open at this point in the show like yeah why not like she's single still he's coming in single like let's give this a second chance they did the tantric yoga date tanner is really bummed out that she goes on this date i'm like shocked by his reaction so shocked we'll get into it because that that tanner rachel thing really confused me but yeah i i would say for the rest of this tantric yoga date, Jordan and Rachel, I'm getting the same vibe from

Rachel. Me too. He seems into her. She just doesn't seem that into him. I think she likes him. I think she gets along with him, but I don't think she feels any connection. Yeah, nothing. Zero. We'll ask though, because we have Rachel on the podcast. Yeah, we will ask her. We'll ask her about that. And then, yeah, we see the Rachel Tanner conversation. Rachel essentially saying, like, I feel like Tanner gave me a friendship rose as a viewer watching it. that is exactly what I thought happened. Yeah, like they had a good chat and they made out. But at the same time, like,

it did kind of just seem like he had like four options and like he was closest with Rachel. So he gave her that rose. And then if I'm her, like, she's like, it sounds like he probably like didn't try to like pursue her any further yet. Because she's kind of like, I didn't, I didn't think you were that into me. I mean, they've been at this beach for like dates. I'm curious. I'm curious. Like she's probably like, you're now trying to.

to tell me like you're into me out of nowhere like I would be the same I'd be like sorry like we've been hanging out for weeks like nothing's been going down between us I just figured it was a friendship bro I'm curious what everyone's doing during the day on the speech besides literally what are they doing I feel like no one's talking to each other even the people that are dating don't seem like they're talking to each other besides even in Kylie yeah they're always together they seem to be like we're not really seeing too much of them but they seem to be the two that are like every time we see hanging out the most yeah but like Like, no one else seems to be in, we see, like, Aaron B and Eliza.

He asks, like, will you be my girlfriend? But it's also like, I don't know. I'm not, do we see a lot of Aaron B. and Eliza just hanging out? Like, I just feel like our season is the easiest to compare it to because I was there. And, but also past seasons, you see people doing, like, little dates for each other and little activities and, like, having, like, like active, serious conversations about where things are going, how they're feeling. And it just feels like we're not getting that this season, except, honestly, RMB. Airbnb is always doing stuff for Eliza and he's always trying to actively push the relationship

for it. So I will give him that. But we do see that Rachel does say to Tanner, like, you know, let's let's try. Like she wants to try and see where things can go. Yeah. But like she, it was kind of a weird conversation. Like she was like, I don't know what I want. And he was like let's try and she was like okay it's just and also it's like like four people listening like it's it's it's late now yeah like it's late in the game like like well that's kind of probably what she's thinking like we only have so much time left here you know if do I really want to like dive into something new with this guy just for it to not work out again yeah because she's has like kind of like given it a few shots now and I think he's still like he really

to find someone like you hear him talk about it to rachel like he wants to find his person he's like determined i just don't know what happened with davia me too i can't i can't stop thinking about what happened abdavia my boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now i'm seriously suspicious oh wait a minute sam maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit well dakota it's back to school week on the okay story time podcast so we'll find out soon this person writes My boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet.

So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his person? professor or not. To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the psychology podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential. I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills, and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation, like you're not going to choose an adapted to strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it

if it's going to be beneficial to you because it's easy to say like go you go blank yourself right it's easy it's easy to just drink the extra beer it's easy to ignore to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walk the other way avoidance is easier ignoring is easier denial is easier drinking is easier yelling screaming is easy complex problem solving meditating, you know, takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So in the last month, the Midas Touch Network beat Rogan, Tucker Carlson, Candice Owens, Charlie Kirk, and Ben Shapiro all combined. Conservative podcasts can have a major political impact, but the Myceles brothers, three siblings with a serious media strategy, are building an alternative.

alternative to that. On the latest episode of Next Question with Katie Couric, I sat down with the brothers behind the Midas Touch Network to talk about how they built a progressive media powerhouse from the ground up, why audience interaction is the key to political influence and what it takes to fight disinformation at scale, one download at a time. We should be focusing on the issues that actually occupy a lot of the mental space in Americans' minds, but are filled with conspiracies, and we should fill it with the truth and solutions. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

get your podcasts. Okay, so then we get a truth box, and the only thing juicy in the truth box was Tyler, everyone knows you're not into Mercedes, which does come across that way. after that it said it comes across like even more um yeah it just doesn't seem like tyler cares no like Mercedes is like i think we're just both like comfortable coasting because like we're both really similar people and like i kind of just want to shake her and be like Mercedes like i just don't think he's that into you i think he likes her but i think she's more into him i i don't think he's that into her and he says to her like they're talking about like long distance like she's

clearly trying to have a conversation to gauge, like, where the relationship's going. And he's like, you know, like, if it works, it works, it does and it doesn't. And I'm like, so you're just completely indifferent to this girl and your relationship at this point. Yeah, it seems like there's a lot of. And then Jess says that people see them as like just friends. And like now Mercedes is like kind of learning that everyone else looks at them as just friends. Which for me, I'm like, I would be like, I'd be like I'm done. There's just a lot of people just coasting this season, it seems like. And I just don't. Yeah, I don't know.

I think it's hard. I think it's hard because it is a lot of time in a short amount of time. So I think people think like you don't know how to feel. Like you don't know what's normal, what's not. You don't know if things are going to get more serious later on or if they're not. Like there's nothing to compare it to. It's such a unique situation. Like you can't compare it to the normal timeline of a relationship.

So like Marseilles might be like who's to say that like, things aren't going great and he's going to like tell me like he's falling in love with me tomorrow like I don't know no does that sound crazy no it doesn't actually it sounds actually I think it makes perfect sense I think you're right yeah like I think she's just like I don't know what's right or wrong or what trajectory I'm supposed to be on here with my relationship like if I'm behind if I'm ahead and I think it's especially hard this season because there's not really a lot of strong couples whereas with our season at this point there was like seven full strong couples and people could compare

You could compare It was like oh I'm not where No one Abelgill are I'm not where Becca and Thomas are Maybe I need to re-evaluate my relationship Whereas I don't think anyone's feeling that pressure Because no one is that far along Fair

Yeah great points That makes sense Okay we get a double date Avin and Kylie Pete and Sam And it's a fun double date I like Pete and Sam I actually think they're fun together

I like them. We haven't seen like any serious conversation between those two, but I like them. I like him too. I think they're a good match. And then I wrote Avin and Jess in my notes. Avin and Kylie. Avan tells Kylie that he's falling in love with her, which is great. I think that's a great step for them.

They just seem like solid. They seem like they're coasting, but like in a good way where they're just taking things like step by step moving forward. Well, they seem into each other at least. They do seem into each other. So that's good. And then we get, so the biggest part of the episode is Katie Thurston shows up on the beach. She pulls Blake to have a conversation. Now they haven't seen each other since they end at their engagement over the phone.

Yeah. Which is rough. Yeah. I feel like I'm trying to remember that timeline. You could tell they both, when she pulled them, you could tell they both definitely had strong feelings for each other. I liked them together when it first happened. When I found out Blake went on Katie season, I literally said like they're getting engaged.

Yeah. Like I don't know who else is on that show, but like I feel like they'll end up together engaged. But I think the whole point of the conversation really, like I don't, Katie wasn't there to date. She was there to host, host the date. Host like a group activity. Host a group group, but the same thing like Hannah Brown did. But I think the point was really for Blake to find.

finally see that he doesn't have a strong connection with Jess the way he had with Katie. And I think he realized that in the conversation. I think so too. Because at the end of the day, it was actually, it was a really good conversation between the two of them, it seemed like. And I think watching it as much as, you know, they're obviously not in love with each other anymore. They're not still together. They're broken up for a reason. But you see that there was a connection there. And They do have a flowing conversation that you see that. Like I feel like they look like two people and you listen to it. And you're like, yeah, I kind of get how this ended up together.

This makes sense. This makes sense. You two kind of make sense. And then comparing that conversation between X's, like four minute conversation between two X's to every conversation I've seen with Blake and Jess. It just could not be more obvious that like Blake and Jess are not right for each other. like the the strength of their connection is not there yeah it's not it's just it's just really I just don't think that they're that into each other I think they want to be I think they both check all the boxes for each other I think they both like each other but I just don't even see

them like falling for each other no and I think that's the key I think that's key what you said I think they both I think they both want to be into each other and they're just and they're just not and then so Katie hosts like a comedy roast best joke of the whole Roast was Katie's joke about calling Blake Daddy and Wells laughing Well that was funny

That was funny And the problem with the roast With everyone else Besides Katie Is they're not funny They're not comedians I actually thought Olivia was going to go in

Super hard on Cat Hers were all very funny Yeah I remember thinking Watching being like Olivia is probably the only one That's going to be able to pull this off

because she is funny. Well, yeah, she's comedic. And she's slick, which can make for a good roast. And honestly, I felt like she was nice about everything. Yeah, she could have taken things further and she didn't. Because if you take things too far, it crosses line and it's not funny anymore, which happened a lot. And that's the problem. They're not comedians.

So most of them aren't going to be funny. And we hear the guys. It just goes to show, like, a lot of them aren't that funny. No. And like they're just, honestly, they're all very dry. Aaron B and Tanner were saying jokes, and I know they're not trying to be mean, but that jokes come across mean

because they're not delivered in a funny way. Yeah, like give Aaron Clancy most of those jokes and like his delivery will make them funny because he's just kind of got that like... He's funny. He's just funny, like naturally. So yeah, like they didn't like... Yeah, they didn't really...

They just kind of came across a little mean. And the pairs are so random. Like who picked these pairs? I was like, who's grouping these people together? But the main targets of the rose were very much Jess, Rachel, and Kat. I felt like Jess didn't get it that hard. I think she was just in a bad headspace

because Katie was there. A lot of her jokes were just about being young, which like she is. She's, what, 23? Like, I was 23 on the show. I got made fun for being young all the time. You're young. Like, you can't change your age.

Like, it is what it is. Rachel, the Rachel Gabby joke that Tanner made was mean. That was rough. That was rough. Like when he made. that I was like oh no buddy what are you doing you're trying to pursue this girl you just

made a joke about like something that's like kind of sensitive to her I'm assuming well okay yeah I know I agree it was Robb like she even said we saw her crying after and she's like I opened up to him about things and I just don't yeah that's why like when everyone's going to participate

in a roast like if you are going to if you are going to you know go in and say some mean shit, like you've got to make sure that it's a little funny because if it doesn't land, it is just going to come across hurtful. I know.

That was rough. And then Kat got picked on quite a bit. But I don't remember anything specific that I was like, oh God. The Botox one was kind of funny. And she was like, that means it's working. Yeah.

Which I was like good for her. Like she seemed like she was having a hard time, but at least trying to laugh at herself. I actually, I feel like the two winners of this role, were Olivia and Cat, and I really thought they were going to be the ones that were going to go into each other. Yeah. And we were going to see them blow up, get mad. So the fact that both of them walked away, not like all worked up about it, I feel is a win.

Yeah, I agree. And then we end the episode on Blake pulling Jess aside to have a serious chat. And I think I know where this is going. I kind of hope I'm right. I feel like their relationship, it's time to call it quits. I think that's what's going to happen, but we'll talk to him about it. And obviously, he can't spoil it. But it does, yeah, I mean, it seems like they're about to break out.

Yeah, I mean, that's the vibe I'm getting. And I just think him talking to Katie made him realize. Like, he even said it. He's like, I spent so much less time with Katie. But still, it made total sense to me how I ended up feeling the way I did about her. And I spent so much more time with Jess. And I still just can't seem to figure it out. So like what does that, what does that say?

And even Jess said like when Katie initially grabbed Blake, she's like, I honestly almost feel like leaving now. And it's like if that's how you feel at this point, that's an issue. Yeah. So that pretty much wraps. We will see what ends up happening. Thank you, everyone for tuning in. And reminder, no new episode of Golden Bachelor or Bachelor in Paradise this week. Enjoy your Thanksgiving.

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