Bachelor Happy Hour - Kristina Schulman and Co-Host Demi Burnett

Episode Date: October 2, 2019

Rachel is joined by guest co-host Demi Burnett. Demi talks about her engagement to Kristian and their life together in L.A. Then, Kristina Schulman is in studio talking about everything from her controversial time on “Bachelor in Paradise” to her relationships with Blake, Dean and Caelynn.Be sure to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and I have an amazing guest co-host today, none other than Demi Burnett. Oh, hello, hello, hello. I am so happy to be here today. I am very happy to have you on here, not just because you know, we're going to have a special guest and we're going to be talking all things Paradise and I wasn't there and I've never been and I can't give my insight so I'm so happy to hear you give it because you're just going to keep it raw and real

and I love that but two, because I'm a fan of you and I have been since day one so I'm just excited to share this space with you and for us to just chit chat and I feel like we're going to vibe really well oh yeah I'm really excited to do this and again thank you for having me on

I can't wait to talk to our guests today. Yes, we have a good one. I might be a little biased when it comes to our guest. We'll get into that in a second, but I feel like Demi, you and I need to catch up. It's been a while. You've come to Bachelor Happy Hour before, but this time you're sitting in a different role. You're a co-host today. Yeah. I feel official. Like, this feels really cool, honestly. And last time I talked to you, I knew you had a relationship with Christian, but at the time, I didn't know the depths of it, and now I've seen it all play out in Paradise. And hello, now you're engaged. You're an engaged almost said oh my god we're engaged together and i'm like oh wait bitch you're married now

oh my god oh my god that's awesome but i'm so excited for you how is it how does it feel oh it feels so good um she's just so incredible and i just feel so lucky still that i get to be with her we're you know taking the engagement slowly we're not talking about wedding dates yet i cannot handle that stress i'm just trying to you know make it into my new apartment right now in l.a i'm closer to her uh the other night oh my gosh is actually so funny um it was It was super late at night. I, like, made dinner, and I told her to come over, and she came over, and then we got a little drunk on some wine. And next thing I know, we're on my upstairs patio, putting together outdoor furniture until, like, 4 a.m.

I thought you were going to say you were upstairs on your patio doing something else. Oh, no, we did that later in the bathtub. I love it. I truly loved watching your relationship blossom. I thought it was one of the most authentic things I have seen on this franchise. There was so much depth to it. And even, you could, it just came through the television. And it's, honestly, it shut the haters up.

Because you have had a few, unfortunately. But more than the haters, you've had an overwhelming amount of support. Yeah, it's been so beautiful. You know, at first there was a lot of people who were like, Lee, why are you still there? Why are the, the lesbians getting a free vacation and all this stuff? And I was like, you know, we, we haven't ever gotten to actually explore this relationship with each other seriously and committed to each other. And we hadn't had conversations

like we had started to have on the beach in the real world. So of course we're going to stay there because paradise is magical and that's the place where you go to like really, really dive into a relationship and focus on it. And like I said, those conversations were huge for us and they were hard, but they were so worth it. And they got us to the point where we're at now engaged. How does Christian feel that she survived her first bout on reality TV? Because my vibe of Christian is that she just seems like a low-key, you know, not into the fame, just just a real down-ass chick. And I'm very curious as to how she felt about the whole reality TV thing. She definitely didn't want to do it.

That's not her jam. She's not, you know, a reality star. She's not looking for fame. she's used to being on the production side of things. So that's how she was so comfortable with it is because she does production stuff. She does commercial. She knows how the cameras and everything work.

So I think that kind of desensitized her a little bit. Whereas if it was someone who was not involved in this industry at all, I mean, my jaw would have been on the ground. I would have been crying, not knowing what to do if I walked in on Paradise, never being around a camera before. So that's like, she killed it. She did so good. She is so chill and laid back.

I think she's doing fine with it. it's uh there's been a couple people who have like recognized her and she always thinks like that's so weird but yeah she's good i feel like you found the perfect balance for you oh my gosh definitely i need her yeah so you moved to l a did you move to l a for christian partial like part of it yes i did move for her also i just am always having to come out here and you know for stuff like this so i don't want to keep flying back and forth i was like i'll just move out there and then i'll get to be closer to my girl too i need to take a page out of your book i i fly out here all the time too i just need to like get a place i mean you did let me know last time that you have an extra

room i do so i might have to take you up on that come on girl okay shout out to christian it's just all platonic yeah oh and brian amazing update me and rachel are in love okay you guys we can continue this love fest that demi and i have going on or we could tell you about who we have coming up next on the podcast now like i said i'm a bit biased our our guest has a a special place in my heart. I call her Polly Pocket. You guys call her Christina and we'll be right back with her after this. Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. We are ready to talk to none other than Christina. Christina, thank you so much for joining us in the studio today. Thanks guys for having me. I love you, Christina. I love you more, Demi. Aw. Okay, my turn. Yes. I love you too,

Rachel. You know I love you. Christina are you ready Now I have to say We're gonna have a friendly conversation here today But I feel like I've gotten some criticism Because people think that I am too much of a champion for you But I think people need to understand We go way back and we have a true friendship

We met on Nick Vile's season We've been friends pretty much since the beginning And that's really carried on We've seen each other through a lot Have we not? Yes and I like that because you know me. So whenever you're watching the show, you can see who I am and you can see the TV aspect or and whatnot. So I like that. Yeah. And I'm also not going to take it easy on you. Right. I know that for sure. But I think it's interesting what you said about what I'm able to see from you because I've known you over these past few years versus and our friendship has withstood, you know, the test of time when others have not. And as I love to say, these bachelor friendships are fickle and fleeting and ours friendship is not. And I'm proud of that.

But I feel like you were misunderstood this season of Paradise. I think so, too. Oh, yeah. And, Demi, you've really had a chance to know Christina. And I really want your perspective because you were right there with her on the beach. I'm observing this from a distance. But it's been two years since you've been on the beaches of paradise. Do you feel like you're the same person this year that you were when we first saw you on Paradise?

And if you're not, how have you changed? Yeah, absolutely. It's been two years since my time on the beach. I had so much going to do because following Paradise for that following year, Dean and I actually tried still seeing each other. So that was a very insightful and very... I learned a lot from that relationship.

Dean said he was in love with you on the podcast. I just want to say that. What? I just got the chills. On our podcast... We've never said it to each other and I didn't know. On our podcast, Dean said that he was in love.

love with you. Wow. I'll say it was never verbalized, but the feeling was mutual, I guess. Not to interrupt you, but just wanted to say that. Thanks. Thank you. But yeah, no, I feel I feel like I've had a relationship where I learned so much from it. I've dated since, and I definitely feel that I'm much stronger now. I'm not willing to put up with so much bullshit. I don't know if I can say that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. Great. And At this point, look, I watch myself on Paradise, and I'm a very sensitive person. So my sensitivity was perceived as weakness, and I heard all about it. And I think this time I'm going into Paradise, I wanted to come off stronger.

Kind of like, you can still be sensitive, but you don't have to deal with BS. And I don't think I knew the fine line to walk because I just went from one extreme to the other. Yeah, but, you know, I think you're also being too hard on yourself right now, because you're taking into consideration the audience's response to you. Being there at the beach with you, I had seen you on Paradise a few years prior, and I was always a huge fan of yours,

and I thought, you know, that poor girl, like, she's just, she's still figuring herself out, you know, she doesn't know her self-worth or else she wouldn't be putting up with this shit. And then I see you come on to Paradise with me, and you were so strong, and I was looking up to you more than ever. And I was just like, this is incredible,

this girl came she is back and she is not here to play she is not here to take anything she does not deserve she's strong like you were so strong and you did not i mean i mean it i was so proud of you and so to see that you're getting hate for keeping it real is frustrating but it's classic tv that's what happens when people are too real too raw there's going to be people that hate on it but i can tell you being there with you i have nothing but respect for how you wear this summer. Thank you, Demi. You're welcome. This is huge. I mean, both you, Rachel, know me. You've been with me through the past three years. And then you, Demi, you've seen me as an outsider on the show,

and you've been with me on the beach. Like, this is all I need in this room right now. Yeah, I mean, you really... Okay, and we have a producer who's looking crazy right now because she wasn't mentioned, but yes, Christina means you as well. And I think what Demi is saying is so important because I think in Bastor Nation,

a lot of times they like to see the women not be so outspoken, not be so opinionated. And when Bachelor Nation first met you, that's not how you were on camera, even though that is who you are. You are opinionated. You are outspoken. And you're very funny. It's so funny. No, she's so funny.

I remember that in next season. I'm very attracted to funny people. And so we just have, we just have the best time. So what I, the Christina that I have seen on Paradise. is the Christina that I've always known, and maybe this is the first time that Bachelor Nation has seen you in this way. How did that make you feel

when people kind of turned on you from how they used to perceive you the first go around? Okay, good question. From the first time, it was nice because whenever I watched the show both The Bachelor and Bachelor in Paradise, I could see myself, I was like,

this is who I am, this is, I'm a sensitive person, I care about people, but ultimately people put you so high on the pedestal that you know you're not that person and even if you try to live up to it you can't so when you, I don't know, it's not falling from grace I don't know how to phrase it

but then you see this other side of you where I was like that's also who I am but on that beach I was like if nothing else comes out of here I feel like I was myself I was happy I was strong so I'm not sure where it went wrong where so many people had so many negative opinions

about me trying to be strong versus me being so sensitive. Like, it's polar opposites, but both of those things are me. People can relate more to being vulnerable than they can to being strong because it's hard to be strong.

It takes vulnerability. I mean, vulnerable takes strength. Exactly, exactly. But I think that it's easier for people to watch somebody like you were a few years ago on Paradise and they could relate to, oh, that's me going back to the fuck boy every time. Whereas seeing you,

like dominating the beach and being like, no, I am who I am and I'm not going to take any of this shit, people can't relate to that as much. So they're intimidated by it, so then they criticize it. So piggyback off of that. Going into Paradise this time, I wanted to first have fun because it was too serious last time and I was very vulnerable, all of those things. Great, but I wanted to have fun. I was open to meeting someone, but ultimately I wanted to have that strength to show that It's okay to come back and be stronger this time around. So, like, it was, again, I don't know what happened. You did amazing.

And you were smiling all day long every day. You really were happy. You were living your best life down there, honey. I had fun, and I had a lot of great friends. I think it's always like that, and then you watch the episodes, and you're like, wait a minute, she said what about me? He said this. So, okay, here come. I was very open a little bit more on the beach with what I was saying.

So go ahead. Well, here comes a little bit more of a tougher question. question because you say that you came to paradise and you wanted to have fun and you have this date card kind of like a new opportunity a chance for new beginnings and a chance to get to know somebody new and you give it to blake and unbeknown i don't know what blake thought going into that date but you knew what you were going to do going in and you confronted him well so why to explain let everyone know why did you decide to give blake the date card and what were your intentions behind the day they were slim pickings honey yes thank you i did say that too okay slim pickens i would have been

calling christian too that's so funny i literally went um so i came down to paradise second day but ultimately i was like i went to meet connor and of course not knowing who's going to be on that beach i knew blake would be um i came down i'm like damn there's no connor but okay i was like okay let me talk to dylan i talked to dylan i talked to chris buccaskey and then Then I pulled Blake aside, and I told him, I was like, listen, I'm here. We do have some stuff to talk about, but kind of like, I kind of briefed him a little bit. And then ultimately, I sat down in an interview, and I said, you know what? Like, I'm not really feeling anyone, but maybe Chris.

And they were like, well, and I said, okay, I want to have fun. I know I can have fun with Blake. So ultimately, when I pulled Blake aside, I said, hey, this is a friendship date. We have some stuff to talk about, but I know we always have fun together. let's go and he said yes he wasn't blindsided by the conversation maybe he was he wasn't blindsided by the conversation because he knew we had something to talk about but he didn't know what like what else do we have to talk about i know but like we didn't talk about one thing i've learned from blake's been on the podcast and just from watching is he

truly seems to be can be naive about certain situations and so i can see him not thinking the same things that you were thinking going into that conversation anytime if I have something to say kind of like and it's not the right time even with Blake every time I wanted him to pick up on my cues kind of knowing that something's about to happen kind of like whenever I went to on our like last date in the treehouse where I said it's not going to work you saw me struggling sitting there I'm like come on in my mind I'm like like pick up my cues because I was sitting there I was huffing and like puffing and then he was like what's wrong I was like okay, he noticed something's going on.

Just because I can't flat out, say, like, by the way, I went to kind of ease into it, have somebody mentally prepared. I did everything I needed to for Paradise, but I still had the contract up to three days before I was literally flown down. And Blake continuously asked me for the past month, hey, have you signed your contract every time? I would pick it up and show him. No, I still have it in hand.

And then I ended up signing it, and I said, hey, Blake, guess what? I'm going to be in paradise. And he goes, by the way, I had something, I have something to tell you. The night after you, I spent the night with someone else. And I was really caught off guard. As you should be. And I just, I panicked. I didn't know what to do.

I didn't want, like, I wanted to have time to process what just happened. And he kept calling me and messaging me saying, like, let's talk about it. We talk about anything and everything. We always get through it. And I said, this is different. And I remember sending him a message saying, Blake, I need time to process this. And by that time, we were flown down to Mexico. So I keep thinking back, having the conversation in paradise with him, could it have been done prior?

Yes. But it would have still been on my mind, even heavier. I didn't want to just brush it under the rug and be like, hey, everything's okay. And then see him on the beach and being like, actually, it's not okay. so ultimately the conversation we would have taken place on camera whether it was on our date whether it was on the beach you actually didn't have the time because it was three days before right i think that there you were involved in a lot of different storylines when it came to paradise and one of them was obviously blake another one is kalan and honestly that started before you even got to the beach

because your name was on the beach before you ever even set foot on it so watching back, how did you feel about Kaelin talking about your intimate relationships or relationship and certain things about your personal life and you weren't even around? And mind you, she didn't talk to not one person about it, two, three, whoever would listen. I loved your tweet, by the way. That was hilarious whenever you said, you were airing out my dirty laundry before I even got to the beach. Right. I was like, well, she is not wrong. I mean, I don't think it was any FK. Aalyn's business to talk about me and my sex life, if you'd say, or any of my business, to Blake or to anyone. Again, I had my situation with Blake, and I took my time to talk to him.

And as you can see, like, I came back down to Paradise and I was talking to Tasia. But ultimately, I was like, Tasha, there's some history. That's why I took Blake on a date. I wanted to have respect for you just to let you know, like, it was a friendship date. And it wasn't to rekindle things. So, I didn't like that everyone knew my business before I was even there. Right. So.

Yeah, I mean, I don't blame you for that because you're not there to defend yourself and it's just uncomfortable. What if I never came to paradise? I know. Right? So my name would have been brought up in that context. You know, it's funny. I had, I had no idea that Kailen and Blake were a thing. I had no idea.

Blake had no idea. It was, like, actually pretty crazy how the night that I found out about it was the night I saw Kailen and Blake talking and she was like bawling her eyes out to him and I was like wait what there's another one involved oh my god I one thing that Kailen continued to say was that you didn't like her she made it seem like before she even got to paradise which seemed to be a part of her motivation in talking about you before you even got there is that you didn't like her and you've been talking bad about her. Even when you did get there, she was like, oh, she's talking bad about me to other people

when in actuality it was the other way around. So can you clarify that for our listeners? Did you and Kaelan have beef before all of this? Like, what is she talking about? Tell them about the bathtub. Oh, God. Oh. Well, I am just, I've never said a bad word about Kailen.

Let's just say that on the beach, off the beach. I never heard you talk about her. started with my perception of her on The Bachelor on Colton's season. And I was like, there's something that doesn't add up with this girl. But at the end of the day, it was just my opinion. And I think to Kalen, my opinion was, hold on, how'd you up with this? To Kalyn, I think she wanted to be the Bachelorette. No, she did.

Blake said it when he was on here. There you go. I don't know how my opinion can change. Hotter and hotter. That's what we do on the podcast. Well, my intro was feeling straight. Oh, it was, girl. I just don't understand, like, I don't see how my opinion can change so many minds.

I doubt it can. So I think that's where Kaylin is bitter about me. But, again, after my tweet saying something like, I don't know if I trust her, I saw her at a couple of events. And I was nice to her because ultimately I saw her on TV. maybe she's one person maybe in reality she's a different person and I was nice until we went to stagecoach and

at that point the same guy was involved there's a whole story to that I never said his name and he anyway another guy was involved and before Blake Blake and I have been friends I'm sorry in reference to

in regards to stage coach another guy was involved prior to Blake's participation in stage coach Right, just to clear it up. I met this guy, and we had mutual interest. He never communicated to me that he just wanted to be, like, not exclusive. So I was led to believe that something more can form from it. And we hang out, we came down to stagecoach together, until that following night,

I saw him and Kaylin taking a picture. Basically, he's on the ground with his legs open, and she was scooted into his crutch, and he's, like, leaning over. That does not look right, given that we just flew down. So I leaned into Kalen after the picture, and I said, Kalen, just to let you know, this guy, he's probably going to kind of have fun with you and just like, let you be, kind of giving her a warning. Giving her a warning.

And then he looked at me, and he was like, what did you say? And I said, I just told her you'll use and whatnot, just basically trying to have Kalen's back. To see the following there that they're making out right in front of me. And I was like, okay, I'm just done. Like, I don't want anything to do with him. I don't want anything to do with her. And Kailen can do whatever she wants. But, yeah, look, at that point, it's kind of validated my perspective on Kailen and who she is.

And I just didn't want anything to do with it. Going into Paradise, I had better things to do than talk bad about her or who she was involved with. You feel like you were on defense mode when you walked down to the beach of paradise just because your name had already been there. and so people already had these preconceived notions about you before you could even say hi. I had no idea people knew about me. When did you find out? Yeah, how did you find out?

Um, I think, yeah, I'm trying to... It's okay, rip off the band-day. I had no idea people knew about me. Maybe until Blake told me. And would have Blake say he just, like, casually dropped that... Maybe it was during our date. Our date. I'm not sure, but I know I didn't know people.

knew because nobody even actually when I sat down with Tasha that night after a date and I told her about taking Blake on a date and she didn't say anything so I was completely blinded I don't think that we knew that whenever you came down I don't think anybody knew about Kalen and Blake I knew about you and Blake having some kind of history I don't think any of us knew about Kalen and so that's why it was so crazy to watch it back and see how much she had been talking about it because I never heard a word from it come from her until a few weeks had gone by and then she started talking about it to me or maybe tisha didn't know when i told her about it because she didn't tell her she didn't yeah cayling she came told anyone she came on the podcast and said she didn't know until you told her

um got it and then so she was just kind of like i don't even know christina yet and christina's the one who's sharing me this this information when there are other people who i do know who haven't even told me this so you know um One thing, and I kind of want to jump around because, again, you've been connected to several, to several storylines in Paradise, so I want to make sure we hit everything. But one thing I found interesting was when Dean came back for Caitlin and she decided to leave with him from Paradise, you told Kaylin that even though you two may have your differences, you were there for her if she needed anything. Did you mean that? Yes, because I've been that girl in those shoes. I don't think she would

just because I don't think she likes me when I just don't have a any I just I'm indifferent about Kailen but I kind of meant it because I want to have girls' backs because I've been that girl

I've been in the position and I know how I felt and I wish someone was for me that way in a certain way so if she came to me and she said this happened I will tell her like how to handle it or how I handled it and if she can relate to it.

Well, see, it's because, like, you're not bitter and you're not going to hold any grudges and ultimately you care about making sure someone is okay. Right. And that's a characteristic of a beautiful person. And I hope people saw it that way because that's, like, you know, for you to say that, when you said it, I was like, whoa, that was really big of Christina.

I saw in your eyes, like, you meant it. I did mean it. I know we've had our differences. It was so cute. Even though I said that, if the way I was portrayed early on, like, if it was in the better light, people would have truly believed me. But the fact that how my story was with Kaylin portrayed, nobody probably believed.

I think people see it now because I think slowly people are starting to see the same way people have seen a different side of you where it's just, you know, you're outspoken and you're opinionated and you're strong. People are seeing a different side of Kalin. And I think that, you know, at the way that story ended with her, I really think that it came out in a positive way for you. I think that was really powerful what you said. I think what people did have an issue with,

I think people moved on from Caitlin. And then they had an issue with this friendship rose. Oh, of course they did. And it's almost that thing where, and I've never been to paradise, so please jump in and cut me off. But it's that thing of we know it exists, but nobody talks about it until you.

Everybody knows about the friendship rose, right? Who cares? Like, Kaylin kissed Cam for friendship rose. You know, that was never going anywhere. It happens. It's just not, no one talks about it. But you talked about it. So talk about your decision to just say, you know what?

This is what I'm after right now. And I have no problem with the friendship rose to this day. If anyone else wants to give out a friendship rose, I don't have a problem. Ultimately, Blake could have said, no, no, thank you. He could have left. But he took the rose. And at that point, I did see him struggle because he wanted Hannah. And I encouraged him.

I said, listen, what are you in Paradise for? He said, I want Hannah, and I said, go talk to her, spend some time, and he didn't get her. And I was like, I want him to stay around as a friend, and that's why I gave him the rose. What is not shown is the fact that he and I had many conversations. I really, truly had his back. I saw how he was struggling. And since I wasn't in any, well, I didn't think I was in any drama, but I was just trying to be there for him, and he was struggling.

He would always play with his hands like this or, like, zone out. Oh, he was so sad. He would always seem just looking far away into the distance. It was so sad. That's why I just wanted to be there for him. I wanted him to find that love, which is segue into this other person that came down. Kayla. Yes, Kate one.

Whose name I wouldn't remember if it wasn't written on the paper sitting in front of me. Funny enough, I was very nice to her. When she came down to Paradise, she just kind of sad by herself, and I was like, I don't want to see that. And I know Astrid had a drink with her in Toronto. no. And I was like, well, if Astrid likes her, because I trust Astrid. And I was like, I'll be nice to her and just make her feel welcome. So the confrontation from her came out of left field for me. I was very shocked, surprised and taken aback. Forty-five minutes later, you can see me starting to bounce back. And I'm like, enough is enough. She would ask me a question. I would try to

answer. She would jump in with a different question. And I'll let me answer. What we saw was just the end of you like the end of the conversation where you finally got fed up right right so like the argument before that had been more like calm and civilized and stuff like you didn't just start popping off to begin with it wasn't it was it started what with what your intentions here and all of that and I just sat there and I listened but I was listening and listening and I was trying to answer and I can't and then ultimately I said enough is enough like I need to say why do you think she came and talk to you because what we saw was her talking to Kailen of all people and who seemed to light a fire under her

and give her that, like, push her towards, yeah, you should go talk to Christina. At least that's how we saw it as viewers. Why do you think that she felt the need to come up and approach you? And in that way, what are your intentions? Because it's kind of very straightforward. Right.

So I don't know how to answer this question because in the pool earlier that day, we were all hanging out and I was like, hey, Blake, you're going to give me that friendship rose, joking around. Katelyn was right there. She didn't have a problem with it. We all hung at the side of the pool, if you saw, the three of us in the row.

Like, everything was fine. Again, that's why I was really surprised the conversation in talk place with my intentions when she knew exactly what they were. Yes. I think that that's, unfortunately, I got you. And I was, to be honest, as a viewer, I was confused. It was like, why is Katelyn coming up and approaching her like that? I'll never understand why people do that kind of thing.

It's use your energy elsewhere. So I didn't understand it so I could see your frustration. I had no idea. It was a 45-minute conversation. It was a long one. But I feel like, and I was talking to Allie, actually, off-mic about this. And I feel like people really turned on you. They sided with Caitlin instead of you in that incident.

And I think it was because, like, Demi said, we saw the end of it where you were like, um, honey, no honey, which I didn't have a problem with it. I didn't have a problem with it. That was my favorite. In that conversation that you had with Caitlin, why do you think people sided with Caitlin over you? I think maybe how I approached it at that point because I did start getting defensive. I was very frustrated because I was trying to answer a question and I wasn't given a chance too. So she was speaking more over me and I felt attacked at that point.

It was surprising because she knew my intention and I told her, but I'm not sure how to answer this. Why wasn't she at the reunion? She probably wouldn't have said anything. That's what I figured as well. I was trying to be nice about it. But I thought I asked a question rather than just say my opinion. I think she was at the women tell all and she didn't say much. So you got to go beg or go home with those reunion shows, baby.

I was scared to say anything because I was scared like how it's going to be jumbled up. Oh my God, it was just a little intense. It was a lot of energy. I know. I wasn't scared. I was to be fine. And it was intense. Yeah.

there was there were just too much happened before in the world of sports we refer to this as tampering and there was just too much tampering that happened and it ruined it tainted paradise and from and jordan talked about it on the reunion you know and i and i agreed with him with that and so i hope that moving forward obviously it's inevitable for people to DM and you might run into someone or you might be represented by the same person but to the depths that we saw this season i think that it I don't know. It's just not fun to watch in the same way. Now, granted, it was fun the first week with, like,

sorry, the text messages and everything and all that drama. It was like, oh my gosh, is this really happening? It was so entertaining. It really was. It was like, this is a fucking dumpster fire. Yeah, I couldn't really be here for it. I kept refreshing everyone's Instagram, trying to, like, see a response by anyone.

Well, I was there to it all, like, on the phone, right? You were in that group text that I accidentally sent the messages to. Oh, my God. We have the fucked-up family group text, grid chat, with a handful of Paradise people. If you're not in there, so sorry, you probably were just not in Paradise that long. But if you want to be involved, whatever you can be. No one get offended. But Christina sends us all, every single person in this group message, these screenshots of what Blake posted on Instagram.

Is Blake in the group chat? Blake and Dean and Kalin. All of them. And it just gets really awkward after that. I mean, first thing, what I do is I go, sure. straight to Instagram and I'm looking at this and Blake's like I didn't want to have to do this guys I'm so sorry and Dean's like

you fucking coward like everyone's just going at it well then Blake calls me and he's like should I have not done this and he is I'm like I don't know I I'm conflicted because it's such a heavy topic when it comes to something like that because again the text messages are very intimate we kind of all have them

but again he would he knew he was going to have the roughest time post paradise like as soon as we got off that beach and he was like i don't know what to do i heard that she said i silenced her which never happened and ultimately i honestly don't know what he could have done to to be believable yeah i mean when we had him on the podcast and you know if you guys haven't already listened we really had an in-depth in-depth conversation with blake and so in-depth it had to be two parts and he really explains his psyche as he was going through all of this. And I think the theme with it was, you know, when Allie and I were talking to him, we were like, listen, I don't, we don't agree with what you

did, but we understand how you were backed into a corner of desperation and really panicked and didn't know what to do. But one thing I want to ask you, Christina, is do you think that you made any mistakes this time around that hindered one, your ability to find love or two, your ability to establish certain friendships or three just your ability to be understood um the main mistake is going to paradise really christina you wouldn't know dimmie as well i know girl it was not a mistake you go in there trust me um there's a lot of mistakes yes i think going into paradise yes i wanted to have fun but i think i actually did close off myself to a lot of uh relationships because I don't know.

I think I was scared again, but I wanted to put on this badass female coming in. And I just wanted ultimately wanting to set an example that it's okay to go through these hard breakups and you come out stronger. So maybe that was more of my goal coming into paradise than actually finding love. Well, you were too good for all of those washed up losers anyway. Damn me. You're way out of their league. I'm not going to lie. Well, no, it's the first thing we said when we were talking about the episodes, slim pickings.

You were right. It was. The women were like badass and the men. There were some great choices, but just not to where you could be compatible with them as much. I could see the struggle. The struggle was real this season. I know I went into Paradise

and again, I was open because your relationship, Rachel, like it worked. Yours, Demi. But like, for me... Kind of bring mine from back home. I love it, but still, like, your old's relationships give me that hope that it is possible

to find it on TV. But, I mean, it just didn't work for me. Do you think that we'll see you again in Paradise, or maybe a winner games, if that comes back? I almost want to winter games, but anyway. Well, I don't think I want to do any more Bachelor shows, but again, I said the same thing about this Paradise show, this past one, that I wouldn't do it, and here I was. So I don't want to just say, hey, I'm not going to do it, and then be labeled a liar if I do

end up doing it. We could just get our own show, us three. Yeah, that was fun. Yeah. I don't know if I do well with love anymore. Okay, Christina, this Paradise Drama runs deep, and the tea is piping hot. I think that's the perfect time to take a break, and we'll be right back after this. We're back, Bachelor Happy Hour. I got my girl Demi with me. We're sitting here talking to Christina. She is in the hot seat. And Christina, one of the things that, really got to me

and I was shocked by the turn of events that took place with Blake and his relationship with you and I really want to know what you were thinking because we saw what happened at the end of the day you decided

that this isn't what you wanted and that door was closed but when Blake came back around and said that he wanted to establish something with you what did you think? The shoulder kiss I just have to comment

on the shoulder kiss really quick what was the shoulder kiss so awkwardly he was like telling her he gave her the date card and he was like leaning over and like kissing her shoulder and like she wasn't like reciprocal she was just sitting there and then he's like all right well uh go get ready in 30 minutes and i'll meet you in the tree house and he like doesn't kiss her chief but like acts like he's about to and then he just like walks off it's the most awkward thing well i missed

it i think at that point blake was a hundred yards ahead of me and i was like i don't know if i can like catch up so it started with yes i've been here for him there through all of paradise but Strickland as a friend like I gave him a friendship rose and he honestly when he gave me the rose back post-Kately he said thank you for not asking for this rose like thank you being

for being there for me as a friend and I was like great this is going to be a great friendship and then I go on this date with Luke and I come back and like goes by the way I have feelings for you I was like what and I was like is it because I was gone on the date and you missed me

like missed my absence and he goes no I just have feelings for you I was like oh so I was really shocked and I didn't know how to respond to that so you could see it all over my face did you try to make it work did you try to take those steps to see if a relationship could work so like a little little birdie on my shoulder was like well the fact that you even thinking about it why don't you give Blake a chance and I was like okay that kind of makes sense so I ride. I was like, okay, let me see where this goes, but too much has happened. Imagine building a brick wall, and first brick is Kalen, then Hannah, then

Tasia, and my wall just kept going up, and I just removed myself so far that I couldn't revisit it. And I also didn't want to be a fourth option. Yeah, I think that's important. And I could tell, like, the energy between y'all, it was so awkward once you all started to try to have something. I could see

you basically running all over the beach trying to get like away from him and he kept wanting to like talk with you and pursue this and I could just see that you were over it so I'm glad that you didn't just like settle for something because you know he was someone that you once wanted and something that was comfortable and familiar I'm glad that you said like you know what it didn't work then I'm not going to be a fourth option right I'm going to leave it's just hard to it was hard to separate because I still wanted to be there for him knowing how paradise was going to turn out like I've been there with dean so I knew how it was for Dean and I didn't want the same thing to happen to Blake but I also do want it to be like more

romantic yeah so with the separating the two yeah I was proud of you I was worried for a second I was proud when you're like you know what this I don't want to open the store you know I'm going to move on you need to move this way I'm going to move this way but we can move together in friendship I was proud of you girl because I was concerned for a second at your reaction with Bree oh yeah do you want to explain that yes go I was hangary oh so out of context It is so out of context So I got a plate of food Sorry, that was some serious hangary

Oh I think crap She was having a breakdown Everything was boiling down at that point Because, okay, so I saw Bree at the wedding And Yeah, she and I talked, clicked, everything was great And the night before Bree came

Blake was like, I'm just interested in you Only you, I won't accept a date From anyone, Bree or whoever And I was like, great, I trust you in that And then that following morning, I got food, got asked to go into the interview, which I did. I came back. My food was up. And at that point, Blake and Brie have already talked.

And they were like, hey, Blake has something to say to you. I was like, I am hungry. And they were like, just wait a second. And that's where I just went into the bathroom and I just had a complete mail down. I never want to see you hungry again. I will always carry a granola bar in my purse when you're around something. She needs like a grilled cheese in your purse. The granola bar I'm going to do it.

for her. I felt so bad because I knew Blake was going to tell me something positive, but my mindset was elsewhere. I was already. Honestly, to be fair, in those mornings, whenever you first get up in paradise and you have to get ready, so you're already up, by the time you get to the pool to have like the breakfast time, you've been up for like a couple hours by now. And the only thing you care about is eating.

It is the only thing that's on your mind. And whenever you get prevented from eating immediately, all hell breaks loose. Oh, yeah. Oh, I've thrown some major tantrums. Well, now I understand when Danielle Lowe or D-Lo dropped the pizza and everybody went into a panic. Okay, now it's making sense. It's coming full circle. So, listen, where did you stand with Blake today?

We're still friends. I mean, I will always care, but I want to start removing myself from these guy friendships because I think I invest so much time in somebody else's caring for them that, I'm not focusing on myself. You're a good friend. I'm a good friend and I am very loyal and I will stand by you but ultimately I think

I need to care for myself because I've gotten broken down throughout this whole process because I was trying to hold somebody else up. So we're good. So where do you stand with Dean? Dean, I think we're good. We haven't spoken since Paradise

and I wish him happiness. I think he's doing well. He sounds better, and I'm almost like proud because seeing him now, he seems to be a better version of himself. Yeah. I think he admits that as well. He wasn't the same person. He was when he was with you that he is married. So where do you stand with Kalen?

Has she come to you for any advice? No. I don't expect her to, but it's there. So, I'm indefinitely. There's certain people you want to keep in your life quality over quantity. So she's not one of those. Pickle and fleeting. there we go yeah that's a terrifying way to put it but it's true what's next what's what's in the

future for christina shulman what's in the future this is a tricky question i obviously have my fears to like falling back into this post bachelor show quote-unquote depression because it could be such a high and such a low and then a high and such a low i don't want to do that i think i want to focus more on empowerment and just saying initially why i came into paradise i want to live that through and have a woman look up to me just because they have been for the past three years and i don't want that to go away just because this sort of certain version of me on the show well hey girl i look up to you more than ever after spending all that time with you you're so sweet no she's selling the truth she was talking about you before you even got here i thought wait a minute am i better friends with christina

This is quality friends here. And I love that. And I think that you've grown a lot from the experience, seeing from where you started to where you are now. And I love that you say empowerment. You know, we've had several people in here who really want to use their platform in a positive way, and I want that to continue.

And I think that you told a story, your story, on next season of The Bachelor, and it was powerful. And that might have gotten lost with people. We haven't heard it in a while. and I really think that you have a story that nobody else can tell and I hope you tap into that

and share that with America, whoever else, because I really think that it can encourage, uplift, empower someone else. Absolutely. It's a beautiful story. And I remember how much it touched me whenever I watched. And maybe that's one of the reasons I always admired you the most

because, you know, you didn't have it easy. And I think that you could empower a lot of people by speaking on that and reminding people of where you came from and how positive you choose to look at life now and, like, how great you are. This is making me emotional sitting here because, yeah.

People cry when they come on this. I cried. I cried. Demi's cried. Ali's cried. Blake cried. You're in good company, Christina. Shed a tear too. Yeah, let us be here for you.

You're always there for everyone. Let us be here for you. I just think, like, having that story, I think it has a lot to do with how, like, who I am today and just putting myself on such a natural scale for people to judge. it's like I grew up with trauma which I think a lot of people

have too but I'm still willing to be vulnerable and put myself out there for everyone to criticize but also ultimately I think it inspires more people than criticism so I want to continue doing that it's a sign of strength yes and I think that you are heavily misunderstood this season

and I hope that all of our listeners really have listened to Christina tell her story and you can better understand her from it and maybe if there's a hater or out there for them our podcast so they can hear how Christina really is and you can hear the vulnerable side of her and Christina I hope that you continue to live your life in color a phrase that was developed from next season by you I wish you all the best thank you so much for joining us on bachelor happy hour today thank you thank you thank you oh I love you so much Christina

thank you thank you all right and next week guys we'll be talking to Kevin and Astrid who just got engaged can't wait to hear all the details about that And guess what? Demi will be back as my co-host for another week. I don't know if I'm more excited. Demi's more excited or you guys should be excited. Look at this great dynamic. Oh my God, I love this so much.

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