Bachelor Happy Hour - Kylee Russell Is Back

Episode Date: April 30, 2024

Today on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” we’re catching up with the one and only Kylee Russell! After taking some time to heal from her “Paradise” breakup, Kylee is back on “Happy Hour” to fill us in on the past few months. From moving to San Diego to healing from heartbreak and her current status with Aven, we’re getting into it all. Tune in now to get the 411 on all things Kylee, and be sure to follow so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Jo. And I'm Serena. And we are here with Kylie Russell from last season of Bachelor in Paradise. And from Kylie, who is your Bachelor, Zach? Yeah, season 27 of The Bachelor with Zach.

It's nice to us to see you guys again and be back, Bachelor Nation. It's so funny because we had Tyler Cameron a few weeks ago and we're like, oh, like, you've never been on the podcast so crazy. And then this week, I was like, I think Kylie's been on like three times. Like, she's like a regular here. This is my third time and I love this space. I always feel so welcomed and very energetic platforms to be on. So I'm excited to be back. We love having you.

When I hear your name, I think of one thing. You set it on our podcast and that's what I, this is. how I associate you now. On clickbait or on happy hour? I think you set it on clickbait. Do you know what it is? It's something that you do. It's something that you do.

That I drink Mountain Dew in the morning. Yes. Yeah. I literally got off of that podcast and I was like, why did you just word vomit? Like, are you good? Because although I do that, I don't want the world to know. But I live in California now and I feel like I have to be like a healthy queen, I guess. So we've dialed back on Mountain Dew.

and we only drink that ever so often. I don't think they really sell that. Instead of waking up and having a coffee, you'll wake up and have a glass of a little. She would keep a mountain dew at her nightstand and wake up and it was the first thing. That was the first thing she would drink. You know what though?

So that is crazy, Kylie. Like it is. But at the same time, there's people that are like crazy, crazy diet Coke drinkers. Yeah. And I feel like it's kind of similar. I mean, Anna Redmond.

is like obsessed with Mountain Dew also. I think they like sent her a bunch of Mountain Dew. I don't feel still alone now. You're not. There's a community of you guys out there drinking Mountain Dew. I'm less embarrassed now. But yeah, like I said, I've tried to kind of put my health at my forefront and be a little bit better. But I think I will, if Mountain Dew is what kills me, at least I'll die happy, I guess.

You know what? Everyone has like their thing. You know, like Joe loves Pinkberry. and like I actually don't I'm actually I'm over pinkberry oh just so news alert Joe's no longer ordering pink berry every night after dinner but if I were if I were to do a pop a change man if I were to drink a pop my go-to is a coke yeah I like I love a good okay it's a toss-up coke coke or Mountain Dew for me but Mountain Dew is during my heart lies do you drink coffee no and I'm a nurse so I worked long 12-hour shifts and

not being a coffee drinker will be the death of me just because I'm so physically tired all the time. And it would be so nice to have like that espresso boost. But it's just my taste buds are really picky. I'm 26 and I have the tastebloods of like a six year old child. So I'm hoping one day I'll wake up and they'll be like evolved. But unfortunately does not yet happen. So no coffee for me. I want to like Starbucks. I want to walk in with like my cute scrubs and my like latte. But it just will never be me unfortunately. That's all right. That's so funny to me. So you're like a chicken fingers and fries girl. Oh, absolutely. I think too. That's why when you were traveling for Zach's season of The Bachelor, one of the things put being on TV and like the emotions of like

falling in love aside. Like one of my biggest struggles was finding things on the menu in the different countries that I liked. It was a struggle and probably a red flag. But if they don't have chicken fingers and fries like I don't want it what's the most adventurous food you've you've dabbled in okay so I my junior year of college I went to Spain for two weeks and Spanish food is very interesting um I thought so in the south we love a good hush puppy and for whatever reason I thought I was eating a hush puppy in Spain it definitely wasn't a hush puppy um it was I'd fit into it It looked just like one. And there was probably a croquette.

Yeah, probably. And it was not, I was very surprised that it was not what I was expecting. So I think that, I think the Spanish food in Spain really was out there for me. I ended up finding an American diner in like the pit of Barcelona. And I ate there like every other day just because I want to be so culture. Like I really do. But my taste buds just hate me basically. But you know what?

like if you're trying things that's all you can do you know what i mean exactly if you don't like them you don't like them i feel like it's just out of your control like what foods taste good to and what don't thank you serene thank you for having my that and it's like you said it's not like lack of effort i always put my best foot forward it's just my body rejects me so thank you for my advocate i feel like i used to be judgmental of picky eaters but then i like when you think about it, it's like, if you're not willing to try different foods, like that is an issue, I think. I think you should always be open to like trying different cultures foods. But if you're trying them and they don't taste good to you, like, you can't do anything about that. Like, if you don't

like them. It's not my fault. I'm just a girl. Yeah. Like, you're just a girl who wants chicken fingers. I have a friend that I was just in Florida with and he, he will only eat like a cheeseburger well done with ketchup and like Cheetos and like that's all he'll eat but we we have to pivot because you you're from Charlotte yes and you're from Charlotte yes and you're living where in California now you're in San Diego right yes I'm one of the basic bachelor nation stands that moved to California's in Diego specifically after being on a season I'm actually in my apartment with I love with Jess Gerard from my season of Paradise and Zach season she's in the room beside me she's a work from home girlie so my god hi Jess yeah hey Jess if you can hear us um but yeah no

I have loved it I've been here I moved here mid-February so it's almost been two months which is insane how fast time is blown it's taken some adjustment because it's so different than the east coast but I really do love it what do you think it is that pull so many people from Bachelor Nation to go live in San Diego. Like, was it on your radar before? Was it just like all of your friends were moving there? You thought it would be fine? Like, it's the whole San Diego Bachelor Nation thing is so interesting to me

because there's literally so many of them there. Yeah. So I honestly, for myself, if you would have told me prior to going on the Bachelor that I would ever move out of Charlotte, I would be like, you're insane. There's no way. I went to college there. I love 10 minutes from my parents after meeting. in my parents' house, like Charlotte was my home, it was my community, and I loved it there.

And so I think The Bachelor, and especially Paradise, provided so much growth for me and allowed me to really become independent. And then so that kind of sparked my interest of wanting to get out of Charlotte and explore and experience new cities. And then everyone from my season, I know Cat lives here now, Genevievee, Mayo, and then Anastasia. And they kind of just picked up in here. And so Jess and I were like, why not us? So I think it was just, it was never specifically San Diego for me. It was I want to experience a new city. And all my friends just so happen to go to San Diego. So that's why I chose it. That makes sense because it's like it's an easy adventure, but it also feels safe probably to be like, I want to try something new, but I don't want to be like

isolated and alone. And you know that you're going to have kind of a community there. It's also beautiful too. Yeah, I mean, it's not a hard place to live at all. And exactly like you're saying, Serene, I did become very independent on The Bachelor, but I don't think power to the people who can pick up and move and know no one. But unfortunately, that's just not something I probably would ever be comfortable with. So it's that comfort blanket of having my friends here while exploring a beautiful city. You guys should come in visit. I've actually never been to San Diego. I knew that, I think. you've been twice yeah twice i think i would love to go it's just like we live in new york and it's like

a bit of a mission to get out there right no it's far it's like a six hour flight from north carolina so i feel like it may be a little farther for good i'm very geographically challenged so i'm not exactly sure um but new york was actually on the list i know um davia and we are both live in new york and so i was like pulled in either that direction or san Diego but i hate the cold And unfortunately, you guys' winters are brutal. So I'm going to stay over here where I can go to the beach, basically. Good choice. Good choice.

So what is a regular weekend for you guys? Are you all getting together all the time? What's that looking like? Yeah. So I think because we have the comfort of each other, we find ourselves migrating to one another. We like to experience any new restaurants. We like to go to the local bars. there's two separate kind of like feels of San Diego.

You have Pacific Beach, which is like your beachy bars, kind of gives like a collegey vibe. And I swear Jessica is obsessed with PV. Like she'd probably be buried there if she could. So she often drags us to PB or there's like the little Italy area. I would say it's like similar to New York vibes. Kind of like your older men, women, kind of just like vibe very low-key.

and subtle um so i guess it just depends on how we wake up that saturday and what we're feeling but if it's up to jess pb is where it will be pb is where it's that and then during the week what is your life like you were in rn right yes in charlotte okay i was yeah i was honestly really worried because i had been talking about moving since like september of last year and i work in postpartum so right after a mom and baby delivers and labor delivery they come to my unit and i take care of them for the next couple of days. And it's a very, very specialized field. And once you're there, no one really wants to leave because it's an amazing place to work. Long story short, I could not find a gig anywhere in San Diego. It was almost impossible. And so I kind of just given up.

I was going to work at a med spa here, already like accepted the offer, was ready to go. And then the day I moved out, I found a position, a day I moved out of Charlotte, I found a postpartum position at a hospital here and I like interviewed on a whim literally within an hour later I had an offer letter and then two hours later I was on a plane to San Diego so it was like everything had just fallen into place I was so like genuinely excited about my work and when I was coming to so yeah I'm the postpart of nurse here in San Diego oh my god that's amazing it must have just felt like truly the stars were aligning for you literally because I think I was obviously excited about moving but my job was kind of holding back that excitement because it just it wasn't where I felt like

I was drawn to and so that aligning literally was like okay I'm supposed to be going here I'm supposed to be here and it's going to be a good experience nice what are what are your what are shifts like what shifts do you work I am a uniform and I was able to get not only a new job but I was able to get day shift so I work I go in about and that's really rare especially if you're starting out on a new unit, you're typically always nights and then you have to work your way up to days. So I get into the hospital around like 6.45 in the morning and then I don't ever really leave until about 7.25 at night. So it's a long day once I'm there, but I only typically work three to four days a week. So I have some days of rest like today in between. So it makes it

makes it worth it. Nice. That's, yeah, that's not bad then. I never know because like sometimes like I hear like, I'll hear like nurses that work around the clock every day. And then you have like, there's all different hours. So I was curious about that. I empowered to them. I can't do that. I was off of work for like two and a half months. And so my body was used to just being lazy.

And then I go into my first whole hour shift being back. And I felt like I had just died and cut back to life. So I'm slowly but surely adjusting, but it's very hard on your body. But a really rewarding job. Yeah, I feel like that's such a special unit to work in because you're kind of seeing people hopefully in like their happiest time with their newborns and yeah, yeah, but also like stressful because it's like they're not getting any sleep. The baby's wanting to feed all night. Your baby's crying. No, it's literally so rewarding. I feel like there's a lot of education

that comes into my job of just like helping, especially a new mom transition into motherhood. I always say like 98% of the time, like you said, it's one of the happiest moments of their life. I do occasionally get some like baby daddy drama. That's always kind of interesting to see. No way. Yes, yes. I like sometimes am I working on Jerry Springer or like am I in the hospital right now?

Stop, that's crazy. But putting that aside, it's very refreshing and something I love to do. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly. and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her.

Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out

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I could totally see you in that role. If I ever have a baby, I'll be like, Kylie, what do I do? I'll fly out to New York and I'll tell you all of the postpartner tricks. I got you. Thank you. You're welcome. So I want to get into your dating life. But before we do, let me kind of summarize for everyone what went down with your season of paradise.

So essentially you're on paradise. You and Aven leave kind of like. wishy-washy but like you're kind of you're somewhat of a couple then after the show airs you guys post that you're together in San Diego and then like 24 hours later you post a story

or you might have posted in an infeed that he cheated on you and you guys are broken up and that's kind of the last of what I know and I think most of the viewers know I know you went and did file file so I'm sure you talked a little more on that but um yeah you want to catch us up yeah so that time period of my life was a whirlwind just like you said I left with even on the show it didn't really look like we were happy we just had some we had indifferences about kind of our ending

when it came to the show um but we still decided to leave with each other as like boyfriend girlfriend um we I think it was like a six month time period in between filming and the very end of the show. We were a strong couple, as strong as we could be, because we were doing long distance. I had not yet moved to San Diego. I was still in Charlotte, he was here, and then we would make it a point to try to see each other at least once per month, and we did a really good job with that. And then, unfortunately, I did find out that news, and it kind of felt like everything was

just stripped away for me, and I was having to start from scratch. I haven't, I'm not really seasoned. when it comes to being in relationships. Aside from Aven, I only had one other boyfriend, and that was six years ago. So obviously, I've talked to guys, I've dated around, but never really been serious with anyone other than those two men. And so I never been cheated on before.

This was the first time. So having that happened to you was already like a gut punch, but then having to deal with it on such a public platform that was like I can't even put into words how devastating that was and then I felt like I had to answer to so many people because in one breath I was posting that we were together and then we were happy and everyone was texting me congratulations and then all of a sudden I find this out and I'm like feeling I have to lie to people saying thank you and we're not together anymore so long story short I am in a place where I've completely moved past

the emotions of finding something like that out. I'm trying to be, I feel like it was almost a sense to be very honest with you. It's kind of like, I had the human emotion of like feeling insecure about myself there for a little bit. Because I'm like, well, if he chose to do this to me, then there's obviously, I'm not enough or there's obviously something wrong with me. And I know that's not the case whatsoever, but it was just that human emotion of like, okay, is there something I need to do better? I have now since grown from that and realize that that's not necessarily the case. It was just a character flaw on his end. But it's really just putting the pieces back together just because I did.

We were in such a strong place where at the end of it that I thought that he was my future and my forever. And having that stripped away from me completely so suddenly, I was like, okay, I got to start over. And I will say, I'm not going to lie, moving to San Diego, he was a big part of. that prior to all of this happening. So I had to decide one if I was going to continue to move, if I was going to ever even be willing to speak to him again. Like there were so many different things. So that was like my life was a whirlwind in December and January. And then I decided to move here solely for myself. I wanted to prove to myself that I am independent, that I can finally cut the umbilical cord from my family. And I can do big things without them. And

then I wanted to experience this with my friends. I think right now, speaking on dating, I am not in a position to be dating anyone. I think that circumstance really just like took everything out of me and I can't find it in me right now. I know it will eventually come to give myself like that to someone else again. So I think it's just all about time and allowing myself to fully heal before I jump back into something. What was that feeling like then moving to San Diego? Obviously like you have your girls there. You have friends. But like he lives there. Right. So you know like I'm now moving to the city where my ex. I don't know exactly like how you're referring to him label wise at that time. But like my ex is living there and like you know, you have mutual friends in the city. Like was there

anxiety? Had you talked to him like, hey, I'm coming into town. We might run. into each other like what was that dynamic like and how are you feeling about it so i was definitely very anxious i would be lying if i said that even i still were in somewhat of communication so he knew that i was moving i think he was very anxious too just because obviously he was in a like a place in a space where he wanted to get back together but he wanted to give me time to heal as well as he's been very mature in all of this um he's wanting to heal and become a better person himself before he even jumps back into anything so he wanted i think we were both scared because we wanted to allow each other's space to grow separately before because you know you're in a new city

um that comfortability of having someone that you were once so close to can easily draw you to them but we it wasn't we didn't want it to be a situation where we just like because it was comfortable we just jumped back in um and that wasn't even something that i was something that i was considering at the point, but knew it could be a possibility because it would have been easy. So I think I was definitely very anxious, but we had grown conversations where we were like, we just need to take this time apart and give each other's space. I don't, I should, a normal human should, but I don't harbor any, like, resentment towards Avin. I was very angry with him, especially with what he had done, but I just try.

I know I can't continue to grow and I can't move forward if I don't find it in me to hopefully one day fully forgive him because it's just not allowing me to fully move past that and fully be a better version of myself. So it has probably been one of the hardest things I've ever had to navigate in my life. And I'm just trying to do it as gracefully as I can, as responsible as I can, and just truly look out for myself. Because at the end of the day, I think I need to put myself above everything when it comes to that situation. Yeah. And you say, you know, it's not a normal way to handle it.

But I really don't think there's any normal way to handle infidelity. I think, you know, I've been exposed to people in my life experiencing that in relationships. and like everyone handles it differently. Every situation is different. So, you know, don't be too hard on yourself. Thank you. It's been really, it has taken a toll, especially on like my mental health. But I've been going to therapy.

We love therapy. And just really trying to move forward and build a life for myself separately out here. I want my own identity out here. I want my own friends. And I don't want to fall into that negative space. And I don't think there's anything wrong with. forgiving him especially because I think that's that's better on your own mental health when you do forgive someone opposed to uh at least for speaking for myself opposed to holding a grudge

because I feel like that negativity will just like linger with inside you and that's I feel like that's not good yeah absolutely as of as of today do you still speak to even I knew you guys were going to get into the nitty-gritty things. Well, you said you've been speaking to him. No, it's okay. It's okay. So I will say, Evelyn and I are really good friends at this point. I have just been trying to navigate because I've only been here in like two months.

I recently started my new job two weeks ago. So I've been trying to navigate. Thank you. Being here working and like I said, building a life of myself out. here separately. So we're very good friends. We still catch up. I'm still kind of encouraging him on his journey of healing just as I did. And I know he kind of brought it upon himself. He did receive a lot of hate in regards to this. And that took a big toll on his mental health. So just kind of healing from that. But like I said, I'm not in a space right now to fully commit myself

in a relationship with anyone even included. So I think we're both just working on ourselves before we decide how we would move forward if that would even be a thing or how we would grow in our separate ways. Have you guys seen each other in person? I feel like it would be impossible to avoid each other. Yeah. So we have seen each other in person. The first interaction, I kind of like took my like, it was a shock just because I hadn't

seen him in so long. prior to everything happening. Everything is very cordial. I think that's the best word to put it. It's such a tricky space to navigate because I know my worth. I know what I deserve. And so I'm trying not to sacrifice any of that for anyone.

So if there was ever even like a possibility or a chance for us to get back together, he would have to completely work on himself and I would have to know in my heart of hearts, like he is a changed person. So I just, yeah, you can, it's just a lot. No, it's a lot to process. And I think I talked about this on next podcast,

but for me it was really hard because I don't think I'd ever truly loved anyone prior to Avin. So I had given so much of myself and invested so much in our relationship. that's very hard just to like walk away from immediately in the drop of the hat um so i've just been really trying to give myself grace but realize who i am what i deserve um and kind of just hold that to the utmost standard yeah so what i'm hearing is the door is still open if the conditions were right and the work had been done i've been done yes and i don't i don't know how long that will take

We could both be in a place where we've moved on. We've moved forward before that could happen. But I guess what I'm trying to say is my main focus right now is not dating. My main focus is Kylie and building my career. I'm starting a nurse practitioner school in August. I just moved to a big city. Like there's so many exciting things happening for me that I'm not trying to dwell or put my energy into a relationship right now.

you um i know you're saying you're not you're not ready to fully date um but if let's say you went out with your girlfriends and you're at a bar and you meet a guy and you're like really into him are you willing to go on like are you willing to go on a date and see where things go um i don't i don't think it would be responsible for me to do so right now just because it wouldn't be it wouldn't be fair to the other person because I in that moment you know like lust and desire I could potentially feel ready um but I know in my heart like one oh part of it still belongs to my relationship with even and I'm trying to recover and heal from that and like move on from that because I know it's already April but like I said I was so blindsided by all of this yeah and

there's no timeline there's no timeline and trust me it would be so easy my life would be so much better if I could have just woken up the next day after I found out about it and was like, F him, screw him. I never want to see him again. Because then I could just like wipe my hands clean and moved on. But unfortunately, that just hasn't been my healing journey. So I don't think it would be fair to the other person if I put myself off there right now. Could that change next week? Absolutely. But I just need the time and space to grow. And I'm typically old Kylie would be like, oh, absolutely, because it could kind of just fill a void at that point. But I'm really trying to be mature and grow.

So I think for myself, right now, what's best for me? I just need to focus on me. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast. So we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor.

a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now hold up, isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. It's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive Listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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If Paradise was a thing and you were in a place where you felt ready to date, would you go back? So I think when it comes to Paradise, I would have to, well, the door between Avan and I would have to be 100% closed. And then again, I don't know if America wants to see me crying every other day of the week again. So you would probably have to ask America if they're not that annoyed with me, then maybe. But honestly, I don't know. I loved Paradise so much. Like when Jesse came down the stairs and told us that it was over, like I wanted to cry because I was so upset. Like, no, I'm like, can this last forever?

But the aftermath of Paradise really took a toll. on me, not just in regards to like the Avon stuff, but I did receive a lot of hate. So I just don't know if I would want to put myself back out there again. But if America would promise to be kind, I don't know. It would just have to be the right time. I don't know. That's hard question.

No, that's fair. It is a hard question. I don't want to sound like a hypocrite and like absolutely no. But I don't know. But it's okay to say like based on what I went through, like, if they're like no right now it's okay like we won't hold you to it if in a year they ask you and you decide to go we won't hold you to this okay okay okay thanks three so you're really not ready to date go on another dating show or do anything until the door is fully closed with avon

or fully open and the door is not the door is not fully closed yeah i don't think it would be fair for me to put myself out there in that way um if the door was somewhat open with anyone. Haven included. So just to be, yeah, to be respectful to all parties. Yes, you're right. I'm going to ask you one more question. Then we're going to play a game. Okay. Thanks.

Not to, not at all to excuse Avin of his actions because I think he was in the wrong. But do you think if the circumstances were different as far as you met in real life you didn't meet on a dating show

and you lived in the same city do you think do you think he would have cheated that whoa crazy question ask her Joe well I'm just well because

I mean here's the thing that we don't we talked about this so I can kind of give you an insight of how we navigated that conversation yeah because I figured that I figured that because I think that is an excuse that most people make that cheat that go on a dating show because the excuses it it's not I'm different in a real relationship like they use it as as an excuse okay and I'm just

you're asking if he used the distance in the show as an excuse yeah and I want to know what yeah what her thoughts so we actually did this was one of the we had like a big debrief at one point And he kind of just came to me with, I'm not using any of this as an excuse, quote unquote. I'm just kind of telling you each time that it happened, this is where my head space was at. And so there's no excuse for any of it. Like I talked about in the biofiles, the first original time in July when it happened when I received the pictures. I was a little bit like, okay, we had just got back from the show. Um, if we wouldn't have been on the show, we probably wouldn't even be dating at this point,

probably still just talking. So like, maybe we can work through that. But then when I found out about the Boston situation, I'm like, okay, there's no excuse for that. Like, I can't ever get past this. Um, he did say in July, whenever he got home, um, a lot of his friends were kind of like asking him about a relationship, asking him about the seriousness of it. And he was very excited. and they just kept planting in his ear, well, you know it is just a paradise relationship. I do think it's actually going to last. So his excuse in a sense of doing what he did in July

was because he thought that it wasn't actually like a lasting relationship, which I was very taken aback by that because in my eyes, especially even though it was early, I never once questioned, oh, we just did that. her TV. I think him and I went to Paradise for very different reasons. I think he of course wanted to go and like hopefully find someone, but he didn't really hold much weight to that. For myself, I didn't care about gaining an extra Instagram follower or getting paid. Like, I didn't care about any of that. Like I wanted to find a man. I wanted to leave happy. And that's what was all

that was important to me. Yeah. That was very evident watching you on the show. Yeah. Clearly. Yeah. And so I think in the beginning, for sure, if we would have met in a conventional way, I would have been in San Diego. We wouldn't have the pressure of distance. Then I would hope he wouldn't. But then again, this is going to sound crazy too. I think in order for Avan to become a changed man, I don't want to speak on him, but in order for him to truly become the man that he deserves to be for someone, if that's not me, I think this needed to happen. I think, unfortunately, it happened to me, but I think he needed a wake-up call that he did have some character flaws. He does need to change. And unfortunately, it happened on this magnitude, but he had the whole world looking at him. And that is what has forced him to become a completely different person. So I don't know. I would hope that if we met in conventional way, he wouldn't have done so.

And it sucks that he did it to me. but I think for him and his personal growth journey I think it needed to happen yeah cool I like that you answer my question well I think that makes sense

does it I don't know it's a lot of thoughts I think it does I I'm also curious too because I know like the door is still open so yeah to me I'm like well if the door still open you're considering potentially getting back with him but I know you wouldn't get back with him

if you think that he would cheat again so that's why I'm more curious to think like maybe if you did live in the same city-state and now it's not a relationship off the show it's just different Is that a concern in your mind that is maybe holding you back from revisiting that relationship

that he may do it again? um i would say so i i he has changed i've seen just so much growth in him in the couple of months that he's been working on himself so gun to my head right now i don't think he would ever do that again but it's any like i feel like it would be i'm normal for as a human to not have that small insecurity in the back of my brain like okay well if he's going out with his friends without me, like, what is he doing? Because that one time he did that, obviously it led to a different thing. He would give me all of the reassurance in the world right now, and he's working to do that,

but it's still just that human flaw of, like, thinking, okay, that insecurity of like, okay, well, what is he doing tonight? I haven't heard from him, like, you know? So it's really hard. I just have to, like, if I were to want to jump back into something like that, I would it would only be healthy for our relationship to fully 100% trust him. I can't continue to harbor or bring back what he did in the past in order for us to move forward.

So that's another thing. In order for us to get back to that place, I need to 100% trust him and not have that insecurity anymore. Yeah. 100%. I agree. Well, wishing you the best on that journey, whether the door opens back up or closes.

I just hope that you end up happy. I appreciate you. I know. I just want to be you guys. I'm ready just to be settled down and just living my best life with my partner. So hoping that one day I can get there. Well, in the meantime, enjoy the bars with Jess. Thanks.

We'll be dying in TV. Yeah, have fun in PV. And let's play a little game. Let's do Rapid Fire Get to Know Me with Kylie. Russell. So we're going to ask you some questions and just the first answer that comes to your mind. Okay, perfect. Okay, cool. So, dream vacation spot. Dubai. Go to self-care. Face mask. Favorite song or artist? Justin Bieber. I feel like we may have asked you that last time and that was your answer last

time. And I will die saying he's not time. Go to drink at a bar. Tequila, pineapple. Favorite food or cuisine? Anything Italian. And Mountain Dew and chicken fingers and fries. Oh, sorry. I know. Yeah, that too. Gold or silver jewelry?

Gold for sure. Wine night in or girls' night out? I'm kind of a lazy girl, so definitely wine ride in. Current favorite beauty product? I just got into like the bronzing drops. I don't like to wear a lot of makeup at work because I don't want to wake up early for that. So if I just put some of those on my face, it looks like I have makeup and then plus my eyelash juice and juice. You know what?

I just started. I typically stray away from like skin tints just because my skin so sensitive. I haven't really found one that like sits well with my skin. but the first aid beauty bronzing drops are Oh, I'm not to try those. So good. I put them like, if I'm wearing like strapless clothes, I'll literally put it like all over my chest and my shoulders.

Yeah. I love that. And you said it's first aid. First aid beauty. It's at Sephora. Okay. I'm going to go look for it. Go to comfort movie or show.

How to lose a guy in 10 days? A classic. That's a good one. I actually just brought that up. Favorite season. Summer. I'm excited for San Diego summers. Oh, yeah.

It'll be your first time having a full year of summer. Yeah, I'm so excited. I am quite disappointed in the weather. It's been very chilly thus far. I always feel like I have to at least have a jacket on, so I'm ready for like the summer summertime here. Same girl. And then what is your favorite holiday?

I would say Christmas, because that's when all of my family gets together. Christmas is the right answer. Yes, always. Christmas is the only answer. Well, Kylie, thank you so much for coming on Bet Your Happy Hour again. It was really nice catching up with you. I appreciate you.

We got deep today, but it was nice talking about with you guys. Not at the beginning, though. The first five minutes we talked about candy and pretzels and whatever else you were talking about. And thank you to all our listeners for tuning in. Make sure you stay tuned in and subscribe because we have exclusive interviews every week. Yep.

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