Bachelor Happy Hour - Leslie's Last Dance

Episode Date: August 5, 2025

Today on Happy Hour we're sitting down with Leslie from this season of Paradise! After such a shocking week on the beach, there's so much we're excited to dive into today. We kick things off with Joe and Serena's recap of the episode, including what they're excited to discuss with Leslie! Then, Leslie joins us for the rest of the episode; we're talking all about her first few moments on the beach, her thoughts on the money, and of course, how she felt about Gary's incredibly shocking bet. We also get her final thoughts on the entire journey, what's next for her and Gary, and more. Tune in now to hear all this and more and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, West West, Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcasts. You know I get down. You come from the urban areas. You understand politics more than you giving credit for. Between Jerry out here, Mandarin all over the place, hop-out boys snatching up family members and two wars that was supposed to be done in 24 hours. Not to mention Epstein.

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Make sure to listen to this episode of Politics on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Joe. And I'm Serena. And we are back today with another episode. We are going to have Leslie.

on the podcast. But before we do, we're going to do a little five-minute recap because they've changed the show a little bit midway, which we kind of knew was coming. We didn't know $500,000 was going to be on the table. But now that it is, let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. We haven't been doing our recaps because there's been so many contestants to talk about via interviews, and we hope you guys have been loving that. But we want to share some of our thoughts on what's been going on this season and we feel like with the introduction of the game component this is a perfect time to do so so joe what do you think um i i enjoy it i mean i love the idea of adding the money element into the show because now we get to see like who's really into each

other and who is somewhat full of shift because when it comes down to it i'm assuming i don't know but I would assume there's going to be an element where it's like either you're going to choose the person or you're going to choose the money that's where my head's at and now like it's almost like we're getting now they really have to like real time solve problems and like work together because they both like 500 grand's a lot of money if it was like whatever if it was I mean that that's a lot of money to win that's life changing money it's not like it's you know, 5K. Not that that's not, you know, significant, but it's not 500,000. Yeah. You know, I mean, like, it's not going to make me, you know,

question love or money if it's 5,000. Like, I'm going to go for love. But like, I think $5,000 or $500,000 can really, you know, make some people sit and think what they really want to do. Well, yeah, because it comes in the play of like, 500,000 is life changing for most people. Except for Kim, who doesn't give a fuck, which was awesome. Yeah, Kim was like, I don't care.

I don't care about the money. I'm literally just here to find love. For most people it is. So when it comes down to it, you know, I think you may have to like, you're going to sit there and think like, oh, I've known this person for two and a half weeks, three weeks. Will they flip on me for the money? Like should I be flipping on them from the money? We don't know if it's going to get to that.

We don't. We're just speculating. Right now, obviously it's. teams of two. So if one couple wins, does that mean that they split the money? Does that mean that they compete against each other? Does that mean one of them gets it? So there's definitely still some unknowns at play here with this new format. I feel like when the season started with so many changes, it felt a little bit overwhelming. And now a few episodes in, there's obviously a few things I miss just because I'm nostalgic and sentimental from being on the original paradise. But

there's a lot that I really like about it and I'm enjoying and things that I'm glad they changed. So I feel like with this first episode, with the money and the competition element, I'm still kind of settling in to the new format, I feel like, and developing an opinion on it. But I will say I really liked this first game. I thought it was kind of the perfect balance of light and fun, but also still very telling and revealing and putting these couples to the test. Like that's what I want the games to do. I want to stir up a little, I don't know, like drama amongst the couples.

And we see that with Parisa and Brian right away. Like it's not going well. And they're basically like, are we not a good couple? And it's fun because it's in line with the fact that they've been having a lot of arguments throughout the show. Yeah, they seem to have a lot of issues pretty early on. We do see Jeremy takes a big bet, which I enjoyed watching. Like, that was fun. That was shocking to me.

I was so stressed watching that. But I mean, it paid off. so I have to respect it. Well, I wonder if he knew. I wonder if they knew, and I don't think they did. His interview made it seem like he had no idea, but then Bailey's interview made it seem like he did know.

But that's not where I was going, you know? No, I don't know. Well, you didn't let me finish talking. So how would you know? Sorry, proceed. You're okay. My point was, I wonder if they knew that they were going to have the power to eliminate someone before.

I don't believe they did. Yeah, I don't think so either. So that makes it even a bigger risk. Like I could, what I'm saying is I could see taking that risk knowing that you're going to get the power. But taking that risk solely for a date or potentially going home is a pretty big risk. Yes. And I think that the best position in those games, in my opinion at this point, is like Dale and Kat, where they came in second. So they're safe, right?

like they're in the top three they don't get the date but like they're high they're safe yeah so but also it's like hey if you want the date sure obviously the date's great but then you're also in the position to have to send someone home and you're not really flying under the radar once you do that i mean jeremy was living for it he was like give me all the power i love that i get to send someone home but like someone like maybe someone like bailey might have been like i'm good to just be safe i don't want that kind of responsibility like that's way too hard to do it so i'm curious to see how that element of winning the challenges impacts the games moving forward you're you actually make a good point because i didn't think about like flying under the radar and like jeremy is clearly not going to be

flying under the radar now because he was very vocal about like well in his interviews about like having the power and but like if it gets flipped now and he's in the bottom three like I would vote I would most likely be voting them out like I would be Right because they're a threat You know that they're good at the competitions They've won one

I would be trying to vote out Like I think they probably should have voted out Brian and Parisa Yeah I would love to know more insight Into why and how they made that decision Just because I don't feel like it was clear to me Well it's yeah And now it's it is now a

A game and I'm not keeping people because they have a strong connection. I'm like, I'm trying to win 500,000 now. Yeah, I'm sending people home that I think can beat me. Yeah. Respectfully. I mean,

everyone's coupled up. So it's kind of an even playing field. It seems like, yes, a couple of the relationships are stronger than others, but like no one's flying single. I mean, if Jonathan and Leah, they're the only people that are coupled up that aren't a couple,

I'm probably keeping them because, I'm like you're probably not going to do that great at these challenges because you're not actually romantically involved but then on the flip they're just friends so maybe they'll work better together than like a paris and brian who are having issues in the relationship yeah I think I would probably actually be more scared of two that are just friends because if they could get on the same page and really work together yeah they can just be partners without any romantic issues involved yeah get it in especially because it's like the beginning of relationship you're learning about somebody you could really start getting annoyed with that person where if you're

those friends you guys are basically co-workers trying to win some money uh last thing we'll talk about before we let leslie in gary like like talk about just fumbling the bag well they went home because of it i know had he just bet one chip or two chips he would have stayed safe in the top three and they'd still be there yeah i can't really i don't really understand what i mean like I get when you make a mistake. I get like people make mistakes. I mean, it was obviously a genuine mistake. He did not.

I think he was trying to make it dramatic and be like, ooh, like I'm, he like splits his stack and he's contemplating. You can see everyone being like, dude, what are you doing? Like I just don't think it was clicking in his mind. What he was doing did not make sense. Yeah. I, yeah. I mean, it made zero sense. And I just think, yeah, I think Gary.

like likes the dramatics the dramatics and being on TV and like watching he probably watched Jeremy make a big bet he's like ooh I want to I want to spice things up and it's like no yeah there's some moments you should not have done that this was not one of them just throw your single chip down and call it today I'm curious I'm curious if Leslie was able to it will ask her when she comes on the episode right now if she was able to voice her opinion he was doing that or was she supposed to stay quiet in the back because like i feel like me and you right like if it was if it was if it was me doing that you would be like joe just bet one chip what the fuck are you doing and then maybe it would click like oh yeah but i feel like they can't

because if she's saying just bet one chip it's essentially saying you don't know the answer and you're probably going to get it wrong she probably can't yeah she probably can't um i'm curious to know if gary and leslie are still talking to one another if anything has happened post paradise for them and if she blames Gary for them being sent home and why she thinks they were sent home well she definitely blames him for being sent home she said I mean it's his fault and she said in an interview she's like everyone makes mistakes so I can't be mad at him but this was a big mistake yeah um and it kind of was I do feel a little bad for Gary because that would just really weigh on me and I would feel really guilty and just kind of silly

yeah i feel i feel bad for gary in a sense of he probably feels really bad that he let another person down on accident like he made a mistake yeah it's not just him that suffers yeah yeah which that's a hard pill to swallow yes but adds a really good layer to the competition element of this show yeah great loved it entertaining great job gary um okay let's let's let let let's let let's let let's do it all right welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. How are you? I'm good. How are you? Good. Good. Welcome back. You've been on the show multiple times. Unfortunately, you got eliminated. Not really, not really your fault, but we will definitely talk about that. Okay. Let's go to the beginning, though. How did it feel when you first got out to paradise you know it's a new new format new location um were you regretting it at all or were you

happy to be there oh i i never regretted a minute of it i was so excited um you know they took us all on that boat the catamaran was our entrance i actually didn't know they just took us and i was like is this another photo shoot what are we doing i didn't even know i'm like we're going no. In fact, I missed the memo that it was supposed to be all packed up and they come get me and they're like, you're not packed. I said, well, why do I need to be packed? I literally thought we were doing another photo shoot. I didn't know what was going on. But then all of a sudden, we're on this boat and we're having so much fun and I had not met the guys before. So that was kind of fun to meet them. And yeah, and then we walked into Paradise and all these, I always call them the

youngens but they were sitting around and they were so excited to see us um i don't think they were pretending especially the girls they were very excited and um immediately we felt like this bond so it was amazing that's good that's yeah i mean it looked like a lot of fun how did you feel about coming in a few days later than the original cast well i was okay so like i kind of knew who was going to be there Prior to going on, of course you're here. This person's going, this person's going. So I walk in and I say, where's Susie? Where's Ellie Joe?

Where's Lexi? And did they not come yet? And they're like, they left last night. And I was like, what? Because I had, you know, Susie, I was on her podcast before. And she's a doll. And Lexi, we had been DMing ever since she was on her show. And she's Adel.

And I couldn't wait to meet her. And then Allie Joe, we were like going to work out on the beach. together we're like bringing bringing bands i'm bringing balls like we had this whole thing and i'm like wait what they're gone so that was a little shocking to me yeah how was the mood amongst the rest of the cast because that was a pretty yeah yeah you guys came in right after that dramatic Rose ceremony with Susie and Justin. Their mood was not good. Yeah.

Yeah, I bet. I mean, we walk in, it was like, you could hear a pin drop. Like, there's, like, we're walking and you kind of, you know, we're walking around the path and there's no talking. There's no, you know, music. There's no music, not going, but like, there's no energy. And all of a sudden, they're just kind of sitting around the bar like this.

And we walk in, they're like, hi. So it was kind of fun. Yeah, you guys probably really saved them because their energy was definitely low. I'm seeing so much on social media that the Goldins are like making paradise. Like everybody loves watching you guys. Yeah. How does that feel? It feels amazing.

I mean, I guess maybe it stems from the fact that we just don't care, you know. I mean, I know I'm speaking, you know, for myself and maybe. some of the others. I just don't care. I don't care what my hair looks like. I don't care if I don't have any makeup on. I mean, I don't care what we say or do or, you know, I guess we just don't care as much. And maybe that's why, because we come off pretty authentic and nothing's really forced. And if I roll my eyes as something, it doesn't mean I'm mad at something. You know, like I but you know that's just my facial expressions

but I just you know I get where they're coming from I mean you know they definitely I always say it's their show and you know their cake maybe we were just the icing on it that's how my mindset was

and so that's kind of my that was what I felt going into the show and I stayed that way throughout my boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra

credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school

policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more. likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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Is there anyone in the Goldencast that you think does care? And what I mean care, like really care how. they are portrayed. I think there are. Yes. Okay. Absolutely. I just know I don't care.

So that's good. Going into Paradise, did you have any guys that you were interested in or any, like, sparks right off the bat when you got down there? Well, there was no sparks for me with the guys that we met on the boat. They were like, I could see that we were all going to be fast friends. and you know and i'll call them my friends now do you think if gary was on the boat you may have felt a certain way about him or do you think because he came down later and you didn't feel a spark between any of the other guys that created something that may or may not have been there well i mean gary and i met each other at um at um grand

finale because we were announced yeah so i had met him but that was all i didn't text him after we didn't we didn't communicate at all because you know i just didn't want to do that um so i feel that out of all the guys gary and i definitely have a lot in common with our music the way we kind of grew up in a musical family all that stuff and um a little bit more in common with him than i did with the other guys so um i probably i don't know i think it's good that he came down a couple days later to be honest um you know got a time to settle in and not you know realize that there for me there was no sparks with anyone else got it what was the vibe like when gary did come down the next day he comes in with a lot of energy he makes an entrance he has a date card um was there

a lot of women that were interested in going on that date? I think, I know Natasha was wanted to go on the date. I wanted to go on the date. I'm not sure about Kathy. She was probably, she was kind of more focused on Keith. So, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't know if April wanted, I'm sure April wouldn't turn it down. So that was, you know, I guess.

It was really maybe more between Natasha and I. What's going on with Kathy and Keith? Well, let me ask a more specific question. On the beach as a viewer right now, it looks like they started off with potentially a spark. They go to the VIP suite. And now it feels like maybe it's a little bit more of a friendship. When you left, where would you say they were at

on the scale of just friends to Madly in love? I think just friends. right now when I left um the thing is it's like you know at our age relationships come in different forms and um they definitely have a good relationship whether they decide to make it romantic or not i think um you know they have a good friendship okay okay so let's let's talk about the rose ceremony you go on a date with gary it goes well you are going to give gary your rose at least that's how it appears as a viewer and then natasha gives gary the rose he accepts it what is going through your mind in that moment who the hell am i going to pick yeah yeah

and are you going through my mind are you upset at gary for accepting natasha's rose like does gary know that he's getting does gary have a good idea that you're giving him his I would think he did yeah yeah I mean that's what it seemed like I mean we had a great day we literally laughed our asses off we had so much fun um everything was just completely the way it looked I mean it was raining we kicked I kicked my shoes off we were having so much fun we had no awkwardness no downtime I mean we just had a great time so yeah I would think he would think i was giving him my rose i guess i didn't even think he shouldn't have accepted it well now you have that now i'm mad at it no just kidding um i'm gonna have to call him up no um i don't know

i mean you know you're in the you know how it is you're in the moment you don't it's just like you don't know i didn't know that natasha was going to be called first yeah so i didn't think outside of that and i was really didn't know who to pick yeah you were in a really tough spot and And I mean, in Gary's defense, because I'm trying to put myself in his shoes, because I would assume he's standing there thinking Leslie's going to go up and I'm going to accept her rose. Maybe he was like, oh, maybe Leslie's going to give her rose to someone else. Like maybe they've already talked and I'm missing something. No. But, yeah, so he accepts Natasha's rose.

How do you stand up there and make your decision? It was a hard one. I stood there thinking, I kind of knew some of the girls that were coming, maybe. I had an idea who was maybe joining Paradise. And I thought, well, maybe Kim would like this girl. Or maybe this girl would like Kim. I was trying to like do matchmaking as I'm standing there because I was not interested in him like that at all. And, you know, but that's where my mind was going, I guess.

He seemed to be putting himself out there with you a little bit to test the waters. Did it feel flirtatious from him at all? I don't think so. That's a no. That is for sure now. Okay. Okay, so you and Gary Bays, it seems like, you know, you guys kind of go back, like after that rose ceremony, you guys go back to normal

and Natasha doesn't really even seem to be in the picture with Gary romantically. I feel like she was still kind of putting herself out there at breakfast the next morning. I think she was putting herself out there but it just seemed like Gary went

you know straight back to you. Is that correct? Yeah. Okay. And then you guys were just... I did go up to him at breakfast. I don't think I said it in front of Natasha. I did say I just want you to know

that, you know, If that had been called first, of course, I would have given you my rose. And I actually, after Kim read me the poem, I said, Kim, I appreciate the poem so much. Just so you know, if I had been called first, I would have been Gary My Rose. But I chose you because I thought you added to our group. That's what I said. Okay. How did he take that?

Fine. I thought. I mean, I think. He was like, I understand. I understand. I totally get it. I totally get it. I just wanted to be honest.

I didn't want to go there trying to play games and make... Yeah, and plus, it's, no, I mean, it's hard when you're not chosen. Yeah, it's hard, so. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor.

a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, Listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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Well, this week we decided to shoot our shot and boy, did we pull up from the logo to see if we could get somebody to come tap in with us. And the one and only Jamil Hill pulled up from this politics podcast to keep it a whole century. In America, what sells in politics

are narratives and storylines. It's like we treat politics like we treat sports, which is part of the reason why we're in the situation we're in right now. Listen to the hood politics with prop podcasts on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcast,

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on America as we know it will be with them forever. Make sure to listen to Spolitics on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast. Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Did you ever have a conversation with Natasha about this little love triangle that you were in with Gary? No. Okay. She never came up to you and said, like, you know, I know that you were going to give him your rose, but I want to explore also. Well, I think we had talked about it a little bit because we didn't know who was going to go first.

But I, first of all, I'm not going to tell Natasha who she can pick or who she can't pick. I'm not going to say, since I went on a day with Gary, I'm giving him my rose because I felt, I felt like it was still early on. And I didn't want her to, I don't know, explore her journey with them. And I just, you know, Natasha and I were a little bit contentious on the house and Golden Bachelor, just a teeny bit. And we did have some great conversation in Paradise. I really respected her and got to know her story and had a new, really a newfound love for her. And so I definitely didn't want to, it's her journey too. She's there.

And I didn't want to step on her toes and, you know. Yeah, that's fair. I get it. It's kind of like, you know what, it's, it's, Gary's a big boy. It's on him to make, make that decision. Yeah. Yeah. And then we see Gary, Gary's the guy down there.

you know he now now nancy's down and him and her gary go on a date and they have um an outer body experience on chocolate which i don't know i i eat cacao nightly you know i have dark chocolate whatever and i don't get high from it but maybe there's something in there i don't know so gary like well we we actually interviewed gary a while back and i remember him saying saying that he was really interested in Nancy or being interested in Nancy, you know, the viewers end up seeing, like, he, he picks you, how, so, like, where was your head at after the Nancy date? And how did that go down? Well, Nancy made it clear to everybody. Like, she announced before she went on the date to us all that were sitting there. I just want you to know that Gary and I have been talking about. lot and um you know uh we we have a history so that's why i picked them and i'm like okay i mean you can pick wherever you want you know like before the show they were talking yeah i guess so maybe

maybe more dming or texting i don't i don't know but she'd said we have a history so i was kind of taken aback a little bit because i didn't know that happened and um Although Kathy did tell me numerous times that Gary's only here for Nancy, so I did hear that a lot. But then when Nancy came, I mean, they had a history, and of course she's going to ask him out on a date. And, you know, again, I'm not claiming anyone at this point. And no one, none of us are, none of the Goldens are claiming people. And so, you know, I hope you have fun. And I hope he picks me for the roster money.

What can I say? I don't know. You know, I mean, we're all friends and we're, you know, it's a weird position to be in. But again, we didn't know if, like, there were going to be new people coming. We didn't know anything. So I'm, you know, again, I, Gary is a doll. I really respected him as a friend. We had a great date.

And it's his journey too. So I don't know. Is it weird that you've been on two bachelor shows and both times you've dated a guy named Gary? I know. And my, our finale was in Costa Rica and then Bachelor's in Paradise is in Costa Rica. I'm like, okay, this is weird. A lot of dejavel. After, after Gary goes on a date with Nancy, do you ask him about their relationship prior to the show?

Let me think. I don't, I don't know. I don't know if I did. I might have. I think we sat down and had a conversation about it a little bit. And, you know, I did bring up the fact that they have the same faith. And, you know, I'm Jewish and he's Christian. And does that play something into his whatever?

And he said, no, I dated the Jewish woman before. No. So I, you know, I think we had a conversation like that. But I don't really remember me saying. you know, did you have a strong connection with Nancy before the show? I don't think I asked him that. Okay. Okay.

And then he ends up giving you the rose. Was that to be expected or were you shocked? No, I mean, I packed, you know. I was ready to go. I figured he's got three choices, you know. And I don't know what he's going to do. Of course, he didn't come up to me like, I'm giving you the rose, you know. Like, I didn't know.

And, you know, again, I don't know how their date went. I don't know their conversations that they had. We weren't really hanging out with the guys that day. So, you know, I didn't know. That's interesting because I feel like with a lot of the younger cast, most people know. Like, even like our experience in Paradise, like, unless there was a love triangle, of times there was but for the most part I was like I have a pretty good idea how this is going to yeah like there's an acknowledgement or if it was going to even if it was going to be like a

friendship rose like yeah but with Gary even watching it I mean I didn't think he was going to give his rose to Natasha but I wasn't sure if he was going to give his rose to you or Nancy knowing that there had been a history with Gary and Nancy right I think if I was in your shoes I would probably expect him to give it to her. Yeah. But maybe that just speaks to how strong your connection was. Well, I knew what we had. I knew that our connection was really strong. And I knew our date was amazing. I had no idea what they were doing. In fact, when they came back and said, they were like, oh, we had cacao. I had gone to sleep. So I wasn't in even, I didn't know, you know.

So I was trying to remember what Joe said that he tried to get as much sleep as he could. remember you told me that before paradise and so i'm like i'm like i'm going to bad i can't do this you know um smart so um i just i didn't know i didn't know till the next day i didn't even know like you know nancy i said how was your date or maybe asked her and she goes great like so you know i didn't know gary makes some unpredictable last minute decisions um as we see in this episode which unfortunately leads the both of you to go home. It's pretty tough to watch because you're watching it. You're like, Gary, this makes literally no sense.

Yeah. My first question is, were you able, I'm assuming you were not, but were you able to vocalize like, hey, like, don't put half our stack on this. Oh, you said, and he just. Well, I said this because we were all sitting together. I was seeing what was going on with that light. around. And I whisper to him. I said, if you don't know unequivocally the answer, like if they

ask you how many grandchildren I have, put the whole thing in because you know how many grandchildren I have. But if you don't know the answer, just don't bet a lot because we're up there. Yeah. But like a typical man, he did not listen to me. Is that like what? What do you think was going through his head? Because, I mean, he's splitting his stack. He's looking back and forth. I mean, he clearly is not putting together. that all he has to do is throw one or two chips down and it's not going to matter you're going to you're going to be safe which is crazy to me especially if you said it with bailey and jeremy literally yeah and i do you think he thought he could catch up to bailey and jeremy i don't know

he saw jeremy make a dramatic move and he wanted to make a dramatic move like it just doesn't make sense watching it you know because i'm thinking i don't know if you didn't understand this is only for a date whoever wins this it's for a date and we need to be safe. We've already had an amazing date. You know, so I'm, oh, I was like up there and I'm thinking. And I kind of said, like, the questions, there is a whole bunch of questions. And it's not like they didn't let us talk to each other. You know, we're sitting next to each other. And one question, there was another question I think about sex with one of the onions or something. And I just say down, that's a lot or something like that. That's a lot. A lot of times or something. And I'm like,

didn't you get the hint? I mean, come on. I'm 66 years old. Give me a break. Giving me way too much credit. So I, I, oh, you guys, it was hard. But, you know, he was upset with himself. Yeah, I mean, people make mistakes.

Have you, have you and Gary, A, like, what's your status now? Because you guys were technically dating on the show. Like, are you still talking or have you spoken sense? Oh, yeah. We talk all the time. We talk. We're at the premiere together watching the show in L.A. Gary is, I can honestly say, right now one of my best friends. I mean, he is, you know, I'll call him if I have a problem. He kind of talks me off the ledge a little bit. We are always there for each other. We have each other's back. I don't know because we haven't spent time together. and we live in two separate cities. I don't know what it could be.

All I know is that, you know, for me, a big thing with any relationship, a romantic one for sure, is I want to be friends first because I want to be with my best friend, you know, growing older. And so that is a huge thing for me. And I don't know what it's going to be,

but I know that we have special places in our hearts for each other. And that's all I can say right now. Okay. Yeah. Okay, last question. Did he tell you why he bet his chips like that? Did he give you a reason yet? Like, is there an explanation for this?

No. I think he just, I don't know. He beat himself up enough after that where I, you know, I think I said, I told you so once, but I certainly wasn't going to do it more than that because I could see he was visibly shaken and upset. And I'm sure he was thinking, why did I do that? why did I do that? You know, listen, I have a family member that went through treatment for gambling addiction. And if he's not a good gambler, that's okay with me.

Yeah. There's worse things. Like could be worse things. You know what? We left the show together. I didn't leave brokenhearted. I didn't embarrass my children or my grandchildren. I didn't do any body shots.

And so I feel like I left. the show in a good space for me. How did you feel when they switched the format and yeah, that was weird. I'm like,

this competition, money element. Yeah, the money element to me was kind of not a big deal. Again, I go back to this is the young ends. It's their show. And I certainly wouldn't want to take that away from them, you know. But it was a little different.

I mean, we knew that this was it. Like, we were coupled up now. there's no people coming and going. So that kind of, it takes something off the plate a little bit, like off your shoulders, a little weight off your shoulders, thinking, okay, well, now we can breathe. We don't have to think about another rose ceremony, not about then. We have this, you know. Yeah.

Yeah. If you were to give someone advice now that was going on Paradise, I know you said, you know, Joe's advice to you was get as much sleep as possible. What would be your advice that you passed down to future contestants? um well i you know i took you guys advice i took other people's advice i just really lived in the moment i didn't i didn't chase the cameras you know some people are looking for the cameras and then they wanted to go i didn't do that because i you know and and i'm visibly really not in the show like a lot which is okay um i'm fine with that i had my time the other one but i just i would say

just be organic and be yourself and, you know, try to stay out of the drama, except that's probably why I wasn't in the show too much, because I tried not to do the drama thing and get rest and just have fun, really. It was an amazing experience that I'll never forget, and I feel like I came away with, like, eight new daughters, and I literally felt like my right arm was cut off when I got home. I'm like, I miss Paris, and I met, like, all these people. you know and I just I love them talk to them still and yeah I'm a winner nice that's

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