Bachelor Happy Hour - Leslie's Side of the Story: Part 1

Episode Date: December 4, 2023

Leslie sits down with Joe and Serena to talk about her breakup with Gerry and everything that went down at After the Finale Rose. She opens up about how she wishes Gerry would have handled things differently in Costa Rica, why she was so blindsided when he returned to her room the night of the breakup and what she wishes she would have told him when they reunited on stage. Plus, did her talk with Gerry give her the closure she needed? And what exactly did Gerry tell her that made her feel so confident after their night in the Fantasy Suite? Listen now to find out!  Be sure to follow so you never miss an episode.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the Psychology Podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about how to be a better you. When you think about emotion regulation, you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denials is easier.

Complex problem solving. Takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric, I sat down with Jasmine Crockett, Democratic Representative of Texas. She's holding out the fork for her party in one of the most conservative states in the Union. I think that ultimately, who will become the Democratic nominee for president will be someone that has been out there and has shown that they won't allow themselves. to be punched and just say thank you. Like, they will punch back.

Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Joe. And I'm Serena. And we have a big interview for you right now. We have Leslie in the studio.

Leslie, how you doing? I'm good. I'm okay. It's so nice to have you here. I'm so happy we get to do this. in person. You look lovely. Thank you. And yeah, I guess it was a rough, a rough journey for you to say it at least, huh? It was. Let's start, I guess, like the biggest question that I've been seeing and a lot of, I think a lot of people want to know. Let's just start with the fantasy suite

night. We'll start with that date portion. Okay. Because we, us watching that date, and Serena, I'm sure you could agree like we watch it were like okay it's going to be leslie but i think we can all agree that wasn't just from like putting pieces together there were things being said yeah for sure that were very clear and direct that probably led you to believe that and led the viewers to believe that right totally yeah so i guess yeah you want to explain just explain that that date portion first like how everything went and how you really felt and were you also aware like that he could be saying these same things to Teresa. So the afternoon date, of course, scaling down the waterfall was scary and, you know, it was great at the same time. Obviously, we had a wonderful time together and

we bonded and I really felt even more for Gary because he had. my back, although he could have taken the waterfall side, but that's a moot point now. Wait, I can't let you keep going because we said that. I was like, this poor woman is like so scared and she's also getting whacked in the face. No, it was, it was bad. And then he actually said when we got down, I should have been on that side. I'm like, you think? Thanks for step it up.

Yeah, like you had my back kind of. But no, but besides that, we had a wonderful time. And we, you know, I felt like we got closer. And then we had our dinner and he, you know, kind of squashed my fears in Gary fashion and told me everything was going to be okay and, you know, all that stuff. And we had fun. We just laughed a lot together. So for me, that was really important because I love to laugh. And I love to make people laugh.

So I was really, we just were in sync that way. And then I said this last night. Everybody knows what he said on camera, but it was off camera in our overnight that only him and I know what was said. And, you know, I don't want to say everything you said, but it was 100% certainty when I woke up the next morning that I was going to be it. Well, so I guess like it came out that Teresa said, that he basically proposed to her in the fantasy scenes.

Yeah, I didn't see that last night. Okay. Yeah. So, I mean, essentially, did he do that with you? Proposed to me. He made plans with me for future. He said... Can he plans with you for the future?

Mm-hmm. Kind of like save the date. This is what we're going to do. I can't wait for us two more days. You know, we'll be done with this, be together, start our life. Did he say, will you marry me in there? No. But he all but said that.

I mean, I would have been happy with just, I love you, but he took it to a different level. Yeah. And when he woke up, we woke up the next morning and he left, he turned around three times and blew me kisses. He didn't want to leave. That's why I wasn't worried that he was going on a date. I was just knew that he had to get through the motions of it. And, I mean, I was 100% sure that I was it. And, I mean, he didn't lead me.

He didn't say I have such a hard decision to make. I don't, you know, nothing like that. So I just didn't. Yeah. Because what we saw a lot of was him saying multiple times with the season, like you're my girl or I think you're the one. And it sounds like going into the fantasy suites, the relationship and the commitment to one another was taken even further than that. Yes.

How did that feel, you know, you're off camera. You don't really know what's going to happen when you go in the face. You don't know what he's going to say. You don't know what the conversation's going to be like. For all you know, you're going to go in and he's going to be, you know, say what you said. Like, I have a really tough decision to make. How did that feel for you being in there hearing all of these things? It must have been such a relief.

Well, it was a relief. I was excited. and I mean, we literally were so comfortable with each other the minute we got in there in the door closed. We brushed our teeth together. I mean, it wasn't like, what are we doing now? You know, we talked for hours and, you know, there was so much I wanted to tell him about me.

And I, he wanted to tell me about him. And so it was great. I mean, I felt closer to him like, This is it. And so it was really nice because I thought, okay, that's why I went and picked out this dress and why I wrote our vows or my vows. And because I was 100% certain. And there was things he said to me in the overnight that alluded to his overnight with Teresa's not going to be the same.

Yeah, I was going to ask you, so you knew that Teresa was going next. after feeling pretty confident was there a part of you that was still like okay but Teresa hasn't had this time maybe something happens in there where then he leaned her way you know Joe I really didn't and I said last night I'm I don't go through life going I got this I got this yeah you know I go through life going I might have it and when I get it I'll say I got it or basically I just cautiously optimistic. I'm never getting ahead of myself. I don't assume.

And I never assumed this whole journey. I was just like, I'm going to stay in my lane. I'm going to just focus on what I have with Gary. I don't want to hear the chatter. I don't want to, you know, all that stuff. And, yeah, so I kind of left that morning. Confident. Yeah.

So let's, I'm going to. give you a hypothetical here let's say you're the golden bachelorette and it's down the fantasy sweet nights you're basically in love with two men how do you handle it differently i for sure would never tell anyone i love them until i'm on that platform with them and i know it i'm i'm just wouldn't do that how about how about when they i i agree with you and i feel like that's what i would do as well. But if they say to you, I love you and you feel that, do you think you can hold that back? Yeah. Okay. I, because I just don't want to hurt. I would never want to hurt anyone the way I was hurt or blindsided or I can't. I mean, my heart is precious to me and I'm just not going to

give it to anybody. And when you say, I love you to somebody, it means something. Yeah. And, And I just don't throw that word around. I haven't said it in a really long time to someone. So it meant something to me to say it to Gary. And I just, I know it would be hard. I'm sure it's hard when you do, or you maybe do love two different people or three different people. But I just wouldn't say it.

I would just show my affection in a different way. Totally. Did you know he was saying it to multiple people? Or did you consider maybe he was? I knew he had said it to faith. Okay. Because he told me. Okay.

But I did not know that he said it to Teresa. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out. with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now hold up, isn't that

against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. It's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear to the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the psychology podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential. I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills, and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face.

When you think about emotion regulation, like you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy, which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it if it's going to be beneficial to you because it's easy to say like go you go blank yourself right it's easy it's easy to just drink the extra beer it's easy to ignore to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walk the other way avoidance is easier ignoring is easier denial is easier drinking is easier yelling screaming is easy complex problem solving meditating, you know, takes effort.

Listen to the psychology podcast on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So in the last month, the Midas Touch Network beat Rogan, Tucker Carlson, Candice Owens, Charlie Kirk, and Ben Shapiro all combined. Conservative podcasts can have a major political impact, but the Myceles Brothers, three siblings with a serious media strategy, are building an alternative. alternative to that. On the latest episode of Next Question with Katie Couric, I sat down with the brothers behind the Midas Touch Network to talk about how they built a progressive media powerhouse from the ground up, why audience interaction is the key to political influence and what it takes to fight disinformation at scale, one download at a time. We should be focusing on the issues that actually occupy a lot of the mental space in Americans' minds but are filled with conspiracies. We should fill it with the truth and solutions. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Before Fantasy Suites, would, and let's say it ended with him going with Teresa.

Before Fantasy Suites, would you still feel like you were blindsided or do you think you were blindsided after fantasy? Because of what went down? Because of what went down in fantasy suites, is that why you feel like you were blindsided? Yes. Okay. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I just didn't know if it was basically, you know, leading up the entire season.

Right. No. Okay. That was kind of the pivotal moment. Yeah. Yeah. Word. Okay.

So after fantasy suites, we meet the family. Yeah. How does that go? So I walk up. Gary's hugging me. I made a joke. He laughed. Um, he says, you know, are you ready? And I'm like, ready. I walked in. We had the best time. We were dancing and we were laughing. And, you know, I, his granddaughters were so sweet. And they just cried with me and laughed with me. And we just had a great time. And so, walking out of that, I felt so good. And then we sit on that bench to say goodbye. And all of a sudden, like my walls came down and his wall went up.

But I have no idea how that happened from being in with his family to being on that bench. So it was after his family when you guys sat on that bench. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. No, because I remember because he was like, are you ready to go? Yeah. And he definitely had more of a closed off energy to him.

And you were like, well, I'm never ready to go. Yeah. I think I'm a big believer in women's intuition. I believe it's very strong. If you listen to it, and I'm a big believer, you know, hindsight's 20-20. looking back do you like living in that moment you know I know you said like he was exhausted right but looking back do you see that moment differently um well yes of course because I was justifying his exhaustion for his wall although he was tired throughout the process we all were and he never

acted like that so I just didn't understand the disconnect and the flip and I in my head I was justifying it You know, but yes, when I watched it back last night, yeah, he was, he was very, and then give me a hug. I mean, we kiss goodbye, you know, and then I don't know. It was just, his mind was already made up. Yeah. See, I felt that way. The crazy thing is I felt that way when I first watched his date with Teresa when they were on the horses. It seemed like he had made up his mind was choosing you.

I know. So, yeah, yeah, that's he. Yeah. It was like the Gary we saw with Teresa on the horses was the same Gary we saw with Leslie. Yes. On the bench after the home. Yes. Do you think it was you up until he had his fantasy sweet time with Teresa?

I do. Yeah. So do I. I didn't see last night's segment with Teresa and Gary. I didn't see it at all. I'll watch it when I get home. But will you watch it? Do you want to watch it?

Maybe not. I don't know. I mean, I feel like I didn't get a ton of closure with him, you know, but that's okay. I felt like I closed it with myself. Yeah, let's let's go there. So let's go to. Yeah, you saw Gary. You see Gary again.

So what about going into it, because I think everyone goes into those final conversations looking for that closure, right? Yeah. That piece. What do you, what were you hoping for to get that closure? What were you hoping for from him? Well, you know. It ain't my first rodeo. And I've watched a show since conception.

Trista is the reason why I've watched the show since conception. But you don't really get a lot of closure. What can they say? They had to make a choice. It's his journey, his choice. But he could have chosen not to say those things to me. That's all. He said he wasn't ready, his heart wasn't ready or something like that.

kind of was glazing over at that point but um i you know i didn't get closure from him and i don't know if anything he would have said would have really given me closure um he said i i decided or something about choosing teresa over me and i thought that was a little harsh like he could have maybe said that a little bit nicer um you know especially because being chosen is kind of my my little yeah yeah I felt a little like a business like yeah like yeah like you were almost being fired yeah and I felt that way too but I don't know Gary I feel like he switched and you know I guess I the only thing I would have like to I forgot or I didn't forget I should have said um I thought you're a man of integrity instead of you were a man of integrity because at the end of the day he didn't really

have the integrity that I thought he had you know I mean listen I know I signed what I signed up for I know that someone has to go someone has to be heartbroken totally I get that I just I haven't I didn't expect it to be so hard yeah yes we've talked about you know your date your time You're overnight, meeting the family. Yeah. Next, we got to talk about the breakup. Yeah. So you have this night day and your intuition is like, I feel like getting stronger as this day goes on because you're like, now you're like, what is going on here?

Tell us about that conversation, the first one. With him? Yes. Well, you know, I just, I could tell the minute he walked in. But I was like, again, I'm, yeah, nope, he's tired. Which for anyone that's been on the show, like, it is really tiring. Yeah, it is tiring. And it's easy.

I could see how you would use that as an excuse because, yeah, it's an easy. It's true. Yeah. And he probably was tired. Well, he didn't have a day in between us, which is tired because I know how I felt. Yeah. And I can't, I mean, like, I can't imagine him doing it again the whole day. And, you know, he's a little old.

even though he has a lot of energy but it's tiring it's mentally tiring and um all that so i just kept chalking it up for that and you know i gave him a photo album and then i said in all these pages are for our future and he was just off there yeah yeah even though he goes oh you know and when i told him you know that i loved him or something he said that's such a sweet sentiment i'm like you know i could feel the tears welling up yeah now after everything do you do you respect him i mean gary is he did what he did it's his journey do i respect him i just wish he would have done it different i don't respect what he did i mean it started with faith you know and then me a little more because i went to costa rican did all that

that so I feel like he just used I love you too much and um do I respect him that's such a hard question because I want to say I do you know but it's hard yeah you're hurt he heard yeah right he hurt me how um you know after seeing everything how have your children reacted how do they feel about my kids now you're going to make me cry um my kids are literally the most supportive children I've ever seen in my life. I mean, there's a lot of things I didn't do right in this world, but those three things... Your kids seem really great. Yeah.

You guys seem really close. I mean, they're my best friends. And if you ask either all three of them, who's your best friend, they're all going to say me. And even my grandson, who's 10, says I'm his best friend. So, Sophia, the jury's out of... She'll get there one day. She'll come around with her grandma. But they have been so supportive of me since day one.

I mean, it was my daughter who actually came up with the Golden Bachelor before anyone. Because years ago, before COVID, years ago, we're sitting on my couch watching. I don't even know what season it was, but we're watching it. And she's like, Mom, you'd be so good on this show. I'm like, they're 25, Chloe. She goes, no, but maybe they should do one. for older people and I said so people really want to see old people kissing in a hot tub

and then here I was kissing in a hot tub so we laugh about that all the time because she just turned to me one day and said they should do this for older people and it's funny because I do get a lot of young people coming up to me all the time saying you made growing old not so scary and yeah and you're an inspiration so yeah it's it's been my boyfriend's professor

is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious oh wait a minute Sam maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit well Dakota it's back to school week on the okay story time podcast so we'll find out soon this person writes my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot he doesn't think it's a problem

but I don't trust her now he's insisting we get to know each other but I just want her Now hold up, isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. It's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him?

Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the psychology podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential. I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation, like you're not going to choose an adaptive

strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it if it's going to be beneficial to you. Because it's easy to say, like, go blank yourself, right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer. It's easy to ignore, to suppress, seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just, like, walk the other way. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier.

Denial is easier. Drinking is easier. Yelling, screaming is easy. Complex problem solving, meditating, you know, takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. So in the last month, the Midas Touch Network beat Rogan, Tucker Carlson, Candice Owens, Charlie Kirk, and Ben Shapiro all combined. Conservative podcasts can have a major political impact, but the Myceles Brothers, three siblings with a serious media strategy, are building an alternative to that. On the latest episode of Next Question with Katie Couric, I sat down with the brothers behind the Midas Touch Network to talk about how they built a progressive media powerhouse from the

round up, why audience interaction is the key to political influence and what it takes to fight disinformation at scale, one download at a time. We should be focusing on the issues that actually occupy a lot of the mental space in Americans' minds but are filled with conspiracies, and we should fill it with the truth and solutions. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. How is it for them to see you get heartbroken? That was hard. I mean, Zach was with me, or he was at the show last night.

Chloe called me crying, and Eli texted me the most beautiful. He's just, he's like an orator. Like, his words are amazing. And he texts me the most beautiful message that I cry when you cry. my heart breaks when your heart breaks. I mean, it was just like, yeah, and then his fiancé text me, she goes, this was really hard for Eli to watch.

I mean, he is a mess right now. So because they- Yeah, that's tough. It is tough. I mean, they've seen me, you know, be a fighter their whole life and try and try with their dad and try with everything. And they just know that they are,

always say your love is for you're going to find it you're going to find it and then i go uh you know i get on the show and chloe's like go get your man mom be open-hearted you know and um and i did i did that yeah you were phoned yeah there's nothing to be ashamed about that do you regret anything um you know i don't really regret anything because i'm so glad i did it i made lifelong friends with the girls so yeah i just i i don't regret a single minute of it you know i don't if i would have done anything different i i i don't because i was me and doing something different would have not been me so i i don't do you do you think um being a fan of the show and watching it for so long do you think that gave you any edge going into it hmm that's a good

question i mean i feel like i mean faith's never seen the show yes and when we talk to faith whenever we talk to people that haven't watched the show a lot of the time they say i wish i I had, or I wish I'd watched a season, you know, just to know what I was getting myself into. Because she was like, what's happening now? Wait, what's going on? What's the first impression world with me? You know, and it was funny. It's so funny too because Dotton and Charity, Dotten didn't watch the show. And he was like, I didn't even know there was a proposal at the end until like halfway through, which so sometimes it works out. But I think a lot of the time, oopsies, there is, I just think it's good to know what you're getting yourself

into. Yeah. Well, definitely. I'm like, hey, they should have done a little homework. You know, but I, you know, I think I, I knew what was happening. I was, you know, but when you're in it, sometimes you don't realize the cameras are hidden in their thing. You don't, like, you forget, you know, forget your mic, you forget, you know. Well, it's different watching versus doing it. Exactly. Should I have maybe done my hair that day? Maybe.

But, you know, I kind of got lazy and whatever. me. It's a long time to film. I got, I stopped wearing, I was wearing sweatpants every day with no makeup by the end. Well, thank you because everyone's like, your hair. What's wrong with your hair? It's curly. You look beautiful. I can't know. I packed a carry on for Paradise, I think. That's literally all I brought. Do you think, you think if you would have met Gary at, let's just say, a restaurant in Minnesota? Do you think you would have hit it off? I do. I mean, his, I do because his humor is Is he funny?

He is funny He made Yeah your favorite part of the season Was that one joke that he made At the tell-all Oh about the heart attack Yeah that was funny Yeah

I mean he did say Funny stupid dad joke sometimes But he He made me laugh And what I loved most That I made him laugh And he didn't judge me for anything I say He just he kind of got my humor

And That made me try to be even more funny and we just had fun we laughed a lot and that's a big part of my life you know i i i come from a funny family i've laughed my whole life we all laughed together and so that's a huge part of my yeah my makeup well i think even though it didn't work out between the two of you there was chemistry undeniably so we did yeah yeah yeah did you know when he walked back into your room that night that he was that the breakup was happening you felt it um yeah i well i knew what he's doing because well i don't know how much i should say yeah well let's how about this we'll get

into more of it um for part two so everyone please uh stay tuned because we'll we will be back for part two with leslie um and yeah thank you for tuning in the happy hour and don't forget to subscribe Bye. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot.

He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the Psychology Podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about how to be a better you.

When you think about emotion regulation, you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denials is easier. Complex problem solving. takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric, I sat down with Jasmine Crockett, Democratic Representative of Texas. She's holding out the fork for her party

in one of the most conservative states in the Union. I think that ultimately, who will become the Democratic nominee for president will be someone that has been out there and has shown that they won't allow themselves to be punched and just say thank you. Like, they will punch back. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast.