Bachelor Happy Hour - Living Your Greatest Chapter with Michael | Golden Hour

Episode Date: January 14, 2025

Today on “Golden Hour,” Kathy and Susan are joined by Michael from “The Golden Bachelorette”! Michael is here kicking off today’s episode with some great updates. We get into his health, what he’s been up to since the show, and more. Then, Michael offers some advice to one of our listeners who’s trying to get a date: How do you make the first move? Plus, we get everyone’s thoughts on the Golden couplings and who would make for a great season of “Golden Paradise.” Tune in now, and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're so excited to be back. How are you doing today, Susan? I love being here with you, girlfriend. You know it. And you know, I'm glad to have you. Please check out our latest episodes because I can't even tell you. how much fun we've been having. We've had a lot of the men from Joan's season in this new year. And speaking of the men from Joan's season and of Bachelor Nation, we have one of our newest members joining us today.

Please welcome Michael from Jones Season with Golden Bachelorette. How are you doing today, Michael? I'm great. How are you? Well, Susan and I are struggling. Are you in a nice sunny climate because I'm sitting here in the rain, still on antibiotics? But other than that, I'm fabulous. Susan gave me her disease I'm sorry the sun just came out

it's actually quite nice should I tell everyone listening what you guys were up to the last time I saw you boy he's jumping right yeah you're just jumping right Michael go ahead just make us look like fools go ahead oh I wouldn't call it

so you're about to engage in a shot drinking contest with Chuck and Joan and I think Nancy was there too. I understand that it ended not with a bang but with a whimper. Am I right? With a whimper? Who whimpered? Yeah.

Somebody whimpered up. Chalk decided he had had enough for the night and so now that you've opened the can of worms, Michael, Chuck is a guy who when you put him in a party room, he has

his phone and he's like, who should we call? He called Michael. He called Jonathan. Michael. He called like four different guys. Jordan. Jordan. So we were at a party in California and Chalk just had to call everyone. We were at the baby shower. Ben's almost famous baby shower. So yeah, thanks Michael for bringing that up. It was, we got back to hotel. You got excited when we called, didn't you, Michael?

I love it. Absolutely. I wish I was there. Yeah, we had a good time. We really did. Then it's so nice getting to know you. So how have you been since you've been off the show? I think great. Life goes out, but this is still, you know, there's still going on in the sets, and I love that. And I'm soaking every minute of it in that I can.

It's wonderful. Can I just let you in on a little something? This is your life now. This is it. It's not going away. We're all here. We're all members, if you will, a bachelor nation we love it they love you i'm proud of being alumni that sounds fantastic i'm all in

you know it's been a remarkable experience i wouldn't trade it for anything in the world and i'm grateful to have done it yeah yes absolutely absolutely what does it mean to you to be in your golden years if you will well i don't love that word i don't either right yeah so a young person thought of that most likely right um but it means ideally it means that you're heading to the best part of your life and you're getting to enjoy uh the years that you have hopefully a little more free time i'm retired so i'm i'm really soaking that up and trying to develop my creative side with hobbies and and just getting out there and having some fun i'm still an adventurous guy like i was when i was young and i'm fortunate that i'm in good enough health to enjoy that so i'm experiencing life to the fullest right

absolutely i mean there i i always called it it's the last chapter but the best chapter the longest chapter hopefully because i'm hoping for a surprise ending where i get to just live on and on and on i just want to be in love i would say i'm living to 110 so i don't want to live that well i'm going to be healthy healthy 110 i just want somebody to love and love me back isn't that what everybody thinks about that's why you went on the show Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely.

I love my kids. They love me back, but, you know, a little somebody else would be. So what's it like, Michael? What's dating like since you left the show? Well, I haven't done much of it. I have done a little. And you have to tread very cautiously because you get a lot of people, you know, on Instagram and, you know, some of these other sides just popping up.

So you're another guy. You get a lot of DMs. All the men. All the men do because women are on. social media men our age weren't really on a lot of them aren't on social media so we don't hear from people were you a big person on instagram prior to the show michael i did i didn't belong to instagram before for the spirit yeah so i'll tell you what though a lot of it's you know scam i for example i got a uh a reach out dm someone slipped into my data that's so yeah that's what

they say sliding into your dm slide the dm slide that's it that's it um that's it um last night saying would you please send a video birthday message to my friend she absolutely loves you and loves a show and i reached out to the i thought this is a little suspicious and i reached out to the other guys who got a text chain going every one of them had gotten one of those from the same so michael i know that you've been very forthcoming about your um cancer treatment i i know that you and I've talked, and I was, I commended you because I thought that was really amazing for you to bring it up at the men's tell all for Jones season. And, you know, are you willing to talk a little bit about that? Are you still in treatment?

Absolutely. How are you feeling? I just, I'm sorry, go ahead. No, I was just going to say, go ahead. I just finished treatment about three weeks ago, and it entails, the back end of it entailed a couple of surgeries and radiation. And I had been on medication. Honestly, I've been on medication since before I even found out that I might possibly be doing the show. So that was an ongoing thing that ended about three weeks ago. So I am cancer free. Yeah. Yeah. Congrats. Treatment's over. So celebrate baby. Wait, did you do treatment before after you went on the show during when did you start? I started back in November. I didn't find out. I didn't find out. I

get the initial text in January. What the initial treatment entails, though, is medication that is called androgen deprivation therapy. And I'll just say this. I don't like anything that says deprivation. I'm not crazy about the word therapy sometimes. I'm just glad it's all over. It's a double whammy. Yeah, it is. So what are you going to say? It entails taking a basically a pill every day. And what it does is it depletes your system of testosterone because testosterone is the fuel that drives prostate cancer. And that's what I had was prostate cancer.

I didn't want to necessarily say that in the mental law because a lot of people think, well, that's no big deal. But it can be aggressive. And in my case, it was aggressive. So I needed to be treated aggressively. And so I was the first guy in the history of the show, the series, to have not had any testosterone in their body during the competition and that was interesting and when jones said that she was not going to have beds

in the fantasy suite i'm like oh that's good to hear i'm nervous i have a lot of testosterone i get the pellets every four months oh jesus susan and her hormones i like my hormones they keep me alive let me tell you and i'm sure michael's very interested to hear about your hormones hey i don't think he minded so you said that you're um you said that you do uh have creative pursuits what tell us what do you do with your time well i love gardening although i wasn't able to do much of that this year because of the show uh although i used that maybe i use that as an excuse uh the trouble with this treatment is you get a little you get fatigue really quick so there's that but lately i've been i've been trying my hand to these moss wall art projects and i did it's funny

i just finished one up yesterday i bubble wrapped it i was going to put it in my uh my suitcase my checked suitcase, it won't fit. So I had to text them and say, I'm sorry. You know, I'm going to have to send this to later on. But that's my thing. That's my jam these days is these small swallard things. I'm not sure if they've dropped, they walk the fine line between tacky and kind of, kind of neat.

But I'm loving it. I was a banker my whole career. And now I'm getting able to let the creative side. Yeah, yeah, little little. Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm glad that you're that you're feeling well and that you get to, you know, this is the time of life you should get to do these things. Kathy, what would you say you're doing now in your free time? You know me. I like to move. We travel. We travel. I read. I do needlepoint. I play with my grandkids. Yeah, anything that comes my way. Don't say no to opportunity. That's my motto. Absolutely.

You are, you guys are doing a lot of traveling. You're always, you're always on the go. Yeah. It feels good, though. It gives you energy. The more we do, the more energy we get, right? Except when we get sick. And Michael, Susan and I subscribe.

You know, we tell people a lot, get up off the sofa. Life doesn't come to your door. You have to get up and find it. So we live by that example. We set the example. Absolutely. That's wonderful. It's a great example.

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Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom. And listen now. Michael, what we do here on our podcast, people writing questions for advice, and we give them the best advice that we have. So we'd like you to join us. Would you do that with us today? Yeah, I've seen your podcast, and I'd love to. Thank you.

I'm not sure anyone really needs any of my advice. Well, why not? Everybody has their own perspective on things. And this first question is from Michael. it's from Michael they're going to get to know this is from Michael to Michael all right hi Kathy and Susan and today Michael my sister loves your podcast I hear her listening to it all the time you guys give really good advice so I thought I'd reach out to see if you can help me I really like this girl that is in the sorority my frat always mixes with I'm not the best with

girls so i have no idea how to approach her we've only met in passing a few times so i don't know how to approach her what do you think i should do i want to ask her on a date but i don't want to freak her out l-o-l okay michael what what's the plan here how does michael get a date with this girl um i have to go first huh okay yep so speaking uh speaking from the perspective of a guy who also up having no game presumably that's that's where he's coming from uh you have to be yourself right you have to let her know who you really are as a person a little humor doesn't hurt so maybe you prepare a joke or two or something to slide in uh make her a little more comfortable but at the end of the day you've got to be yourself and if she says no you know what life goes on we're not made

everyone isn't made for everyone else don't let it uh maybe a tiny ego bruise but don't don't And don't let it, don't let it mess you out. It's not, how do you feel about instead of standing up and approaching her because he's so gun shy about sliding into her D. I'm like, it's going to get to know her online. Say, hey, I don't know if you know who I am or I've seen you a few times. My name is. And just be real.

You can give that a shot, certainly. Well, you know, it's a generational thing. So I guess the younger people, that's a lot more common for them, right? I mean, we didn't grow up with that. So, yeah, I think that's a great idea. It doesn't really work for me, but it might for her. Oh, you're not sliding into girls' DMs, huh, Michael? They're sliding into mine, and I'm not responding.

And I don't mean, it's not presumptuous. I mean, some of these guys, Jordan, I'm sure, is getting thousands of these. But, you know, that's not the case with me. Is there anything that comes to mind right away that you'd like to accomplish this year? Wait, hold, wait a second. We aren't finished with poor little Michael. Oh, I'm so sorry. We've got to finish with Michael.

I'm sorry. I think this is not feeling well. Yeah, Susan's not feeling well. I think Michael, he needs, I like your idea, reach into her DMs, but you know what? The old-fashioned way of texting her, giving her a phone call. I personally like hearing a voice. I'm not texting, you have to do it, but I prefer a phone call. Why not call her and say, hey, you know, I was thinking.

He might not have her number yet. But what if he don't have her number yet? He sees her in passing. Pass her a note. What if he asked you to, Rush out to her? Would you do that? Heck yeah. Have you met us, Michael?

I know. I think that's a great idea. Yeah. I would like somebody to come up to me and say, hey, that guy wants to ask you out. Why not? I'll get 100 of these signs. you want to kill me but there you go there you go michael i'll take 100 i'll take 50

michael to michael he's giving you the solution we will get her name get her contact we'll hook you up oh you want me to do it yeah you can do it too michael we can start a new business okay now we can talk about this year being 25 here we come there's no stopping us is there anything that comes to mind that you really want to accomplish this year or just take a day at a time? No, I'm a New Year's resolution guy. In fact, my kids have this tradition, my two boys and I and my daughter-in-law, Alyssa, where we will get together a few days before New Year's Eve and we'll have just dinner together and we'll each come up with a couple of gentle New Year's resolutions for each other.

Oh, what you think they should. oh yeah we're careful we tread lightly but yeah i think that's helpful because it gives you a that could be a third parties perspective so i want to hear can you share are you willing to share like that's i want to know the kind of thing like for your son because i know you're very close you have two kids and you're very close with your your two boys so give us give us one uh for for matt i i've told him several years in a row now that he uh needs to learn learn to lay back and enjoy life a little bit. He's very driven, and he's had considerable success already.

But he really needs to sit back and, as I say, small the roses and just chill. Take time. That struggles with that. Yeah. Okay. That's funny. Chalk said that. We did a podcast with him.

He said that he spent his 30s and 40s working to death, and he wished he had done other things. So interesting. Kathy, what would you tell me? I've never seen her speechless ever in my life. She's like this. Ladies and gentlemen, did you hear that silence? I don't know it.

I don't, I think I, you're a, you're a wonderful person who you are and you, you care. My New Year's resolution for you would be that you continue to believe in your, it's not even, it's a wish, not a resolution. I would wish for you that you would find the person that would bring love back into your life. Don't we all? Yeah, we do. That's pretty interesting, though, Michael. Thank you for sharing that. Would you have a resolution for me, Susan?

Yeah, we're not going to do it on the air. See, I gave her a very kind, sweet thought, and I got ripped a new one. No, you know, I love you, unconditionally. Okay, Michael, here we go. going to just ask some questions. It's how we want Bachelor Nation to get to know you better. So these are easy little questions that we ask

and give us your answers here. First one is who is your favorite band or musician when you were in high school? Wow. High school? Wow. Probably the Beatles. Beatles are I still think they're the best band, a rock band that ever existed. Probably ever will.

But a close second for me is R.E.M. There was a lot of school and I came along but I love REO I love REOM too and my kids I when they first came out I said to my kids something like I love REM and they went what mom it's it's REM I said I don't care who they are I love them that's so funny you said that how old are you Michael I'm 65 okay when's your birthday September 18 September 18 yeah okay burgo a verga yes just like my daughter my husband was a burgo september 6th what's your what is your favorite way to unwind after a long day oh gosh that's a good question uh if it's a long day a stressful day

working out always helps right really he wanted to work out after that you work out at the end of the day i do i'm that guy i do for that very reason it's it's a stress reliever for me and uh Then I feel good about myself and I go home and I have a beer. I was just going to say, I'd cozy up with a glass of wine and just take a hot bubble bath. Wow. So if you were going to, what would the title of your autobiography be? So that happened. Oh, I like that.

My brother said to me a couple of years ago, Michael, you definitely live by the Chinese proverb. may you live an interesting life, but I think you take it to an extreme. And there's a lot of truth to that. I've had, it's been a roller coaster ride. So not dull. Sometimes the lows are a little rough sometimes. For everybody, they are. If you were stranded on a deserted island and you could only bring three guys from the mansion,

who would they be? Pascal, I answer that very quickly. But he probably owns a boat. He probably owns the island. Yeah, exactly. So he could just call someone and have us done off. Yeah, I mean, that's what that's sort of like saying, who are the three guys who loved your dog hugging, hanging, any of them. Wait, I'm sorry, you need to repeat that. The three guys, why? I need to repeat it to myself. It's like asking who are the three guys you really dug hanging with them while you were there, right? So I would say Pascal, and I was in there long, Pascal Jordan, I really, I really got. a kick out of and any of the other guys

would be my third choice I thought you were going to say Susan and me I thought you were going to take us you know I actually was going to say unless one of you two would like to come because that would be better it was funny because we had

asked chop this question and he named his three and he had reasons for all three of those people being there what you just said when you first yelled Pascal I can't imagine

being on a deserted island with him he'd be freaking out there'd be nobody waiting on them nobody no good cheer out i wouldn't have to go ahead michael funny i wouldn't want to have to cook or do his laundry or anything that's a thing but was he a character he's fun he's a food you know i i saw jordan and pascal uh when i went up to chicago to visit my sons and we went out to dinner. And Pascal, he drove up in his Aston Martin DBA8 with the top down, very Pascal. Did he have a 20-year-old blonde with him? He didn't. He left her at home. I think it's boring. We walk out of the, yeah, this 40, we walk out of the restaurant. He gives me a hug and grabs him by the cheeks. He says, Michael, I will give you some advice.

He must learn to live a more positive life. You must manifest positive things. this is the secret to happiness. And then he drives off in that car, and I thought, you know, dude, there's a little more to it than that. Well, he has a point. He does have a point. Well, this is a guy who's, you know, he's got a bountiful existence.

Let's put it that way. So do you. So do you. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. Yeah, I do. It's not quite as adventurous as Pascal's, but I don't know that anyone's is.

I probably should walk that back. If it's a weekend on a desert island, then maybe. But longer than that, I, you know, I'm Jack. Jack and cook. That's what that's what Chalk said, Guy, Jack, because he could cook. Because he could cook, yes. But you got to catch it first. I mean, you are on a dessert.

I'm a bit of a fisherman. All right. Okay. If you could bring back any fashion trend or old slang, what would it be? I still use old slang, right? So I use things like hip and I dig this and, uh, groovy. This is awesome, awesome, I guess is now old slang. I'm told I still say bang.

Oh, bang is good. Now it's, now it's banger. That's a way. That was a banger of a time. You know, I've tried it a couple times. It doesn't feel like coming out of my mouth. No, no. So those are the words that, that, you know, I think I still use.

I still love them. And they still apply. What about a fashion trend? What fashion trend would you bring back? I'm going to guess. Yeah. I'm going to guess that fashion is not your biggest thing. Put you in a pair of khaki pants and a V-neck sweater and you're good to go.

Yeah, there's probably some truth to that. I'm a little bit more mindful of it maybe than that, but not a ton. Well, that wasn't an insult. That was just guys have an easier. No, that wasn't men as an insult. Guys can put on a pair of khaki pants. go anywhere women have to spend days well maybe he's you could think of it like what fashion trend would you like to come back that you saw women wearing oh there you go you know

remember the super low rise pants like there was three snaps or whatever I like those hip huggers you know that's it that's what they were that's what they were not miniskirts or hot pants they're still in though go go boots maybe a little too much information in some of those you know but I dig those I'm hit to that yeah you're hip you're hip hey what's something you've always wanted to do but haven't done as of yet gosh there's a lot of places I'd love to travel to that that I never have so definitely that's definitely on my short list as far as adventure goes I really want to to try jumping out of a plane with a parachute we wait We both said that too.

The three of us are going to do it in 25. That's it. I'm all in. I'm all in. Yes. I'm still scared, though. Do you know that when I interviewed for the show, that is one of the things I said to the producer. And he said, what's something you want to do that you've never done?

And I said, I want to jump out of an airplane with a parachute. I think I'd have to do it tandem with someone because I don't think I'd have the courage to. You'd have to push me out of the airplane. Yeah. Close my eyes and hope for the best. Wow. Yeah. I'm all in.

All right. I'm Jamil Hill, host of the Sports and Politics Podcasts, Politics. And on the latest episode of Politics, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries joins me for a candid conversation about the state of the Democratic Party. What do Republicans say to you privately that they won't say publicly? Many of them are in fear of their political lives. been part of the challenge, but we continue to say to them, you were elected to defend your constituents, to stand up for your constituents. And there's life after Congress. And you should be willing to actually want to be able to look back on your time in the House of Representatives

knowing that you can keep your head held high because you did the right thing. Donald Trump is gone in three and a half years. But their legacy or their failure to stand up to the extremism and the unprecedented assault on America as we know it will be with them forever. Make sure to listen to Spolitics on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you.

But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. Imagine that you're on an airplane and all of a sudden you hear this.

Attention passengers. The pilot is having an emergency and we need someone, anyone to land this plane. Think you could do it? It turns out that nearly 50% of men think that this. They could land the plane with the help of air traffic control. And they're saying like, okay, pull this, until this. Pull that. Turn this. It's just...

I can do my eyes close. I'm Manny. I'm Noah. This is Devon. And on our new show, no such thing. We get to the bottom of questions like these. Join us as we talk to the leading expert on overconfidence. Those who lack expertise lack the expertise they need to recognize that they lack expertise.

And then, as we try the whole thing out for real. Wait, what? Oh, that's the run right. I'm looking at this thing. Listen to no such thing on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What else? Let's see, what's one thing, Michael, about you now that you think would surprise your younger self? Gosh.

That's a tough one. Well, there's a couple things that I'm not sure if I should say them or not. I'll be honest with you. I'm not sure how young, but the fact that I'm divorced, that would surprise me. It's not in my background, and I'm a very traditional guy. And, you know, sometimes life unfolds in a way that you don't want it to and not to get a really serious here. But that would probably be the thing that I'd be a lot.

Wow, really, that happened. That is about. probably the most interesting answer we've gotten to that question, I think. How would you answer to Kathy? Oh, you're putting me on the spot here today. I'm curious. I think that now you're going to make me cry, that I'm more resilient. Than you ever thought you would be.

because of what I've been through that I ever, you know. Thanks, Susan. Thanks a lot. Okay. Let's talk about fashion trends. Hey, Kathy, if you were on that deserted island, what three women would you be? Me knowing I would be there. Oh, that's so simple.

I'd bring Susan, Nancy. Can I bring four? No. Oh. I know. That hurts somebody's feelings. Yes. Okay, we're moving right along.

I'm going to take you and Nancy. and that's it. What's the worst piece of advice you've ever been given? Gosh, that's a tough one. The worst piece of advice. I'd like to answer the best piece of advice. The worst is a hard one, I think. Yeah, it really is. Right? I didn't write these, Michael, just so you know. Yeah, we didn't write these. I did not write these. You don't have to answer it. You can skip. We can skip on. No, I've got an answer to that. I've got an extra cigarette. Why don't you give it a try?

See if you like it. A cigarette. I quit. I quit 28 years ago, but boy, it was it hard to do. And yeah, that was 18 years after I started. What was your brand? What did you smoke?

Marlboro lights. That was a cool girl. So guys, I got all three of us here smoked. The worst advice. I don't know if I've ever gotten that bad of advice. what you know I can give you the best advice

I've ever received but that's not the question you know I prefer to be positive I like it I like it so do you have any questions for us Michael yeah first of all

where did you get those questions would be my first question I wish I knew some producer somewhere wrote them although we interspers sometimes our own I have a question yes I do. So obviously your appearance on this show has changed your lives. And on the surface,

it would appear that it's all for the good. I'm wondering if there's anything that you wrestle with as a result of your appearance that you wish you could put back in the box or you wish you didn't have to deal with. Go ahead, Susan. I wish I would have paid attention playing the ice cream game. and yeah um no you know why because i think i was true to myself and unapologetically authentically me that's just who i am on fun and and like to make people laugh and it was a great experience yeah but i mean i mean i mean now i mean subsequent to the experience life right now as a result of the fame and celebrity that this brought you is there any doubt it's there any what michael i'm not sure i understand the question

Since we've left, what is the question you're asking? The fame and what's happening now. Your celebrity, is there any downside to that for you? Oh, for me, I can answer that. For me, I can answer that very quickly. For me, I don't think of myself as a celebrity at all, but for this 15 minutes of fame that's gone into something longer, I think that sometimes I don't think people really see the real me,

even though I try to be the real me. We just talked about that. Yeah. The two of us. He just said it's that downside. That's the downside for me. Yeah. To me, I've always been behind the chair and I entertain guests all day long every day.

And when I get asked, sometimes I'll answer as to, I've been a star since the day I was born. Now it's time the whole world knows it. You did say that. I love that. It's wonderful. And Kathy, I could not agree more. I get where you're coming from. We've talked about this.

little bit. You're a terrific person. You're very kind and smart and sweet and everyone needs to know that. You are awesome. And we wonder why we can't get a date the two of us because we're loud, we're outspoken. We do our podcast. We say it like it is. There's no filter, if you will, but we're kind and we have hearts and sensitive feelings. And I don't think everybody realizes. Do you think that men find the two of you in some ways intimidating? Yes. Without a doubt. Yes. That's probably why.

Well, but you know what? I know, so how do we change that? I can tell you, the man that's going to find me is not going to be intimidated by who I am. He's going to celebrate who I am because that's who I am. Well, that's the man that I want to celebrate who I am and joy who I am. I don't think, I think, Susan, the man that wants us won't feel intimidated by us. He'll feel, how did I get so damn lucky? I might have passed away already.

I don't know. I missed it. Well, I have been so dark. That's dark. Yeah, why are you being so dark today, Susan? Geez, usually, you know, come on. Where's the positive? Oh, I just got a message.

What? From a man that the makeup artist brother. Oh, you just heard from him? He just text as we speak. Can I just say, guys. Kathy wasn't impressed. That's Michael. Oh, you brought it up.

Now we're going there, Michael. You and I have chatted a few times. I'm a talkative person. I know I am. Fair? Fair. Yeah, I'm not overly so. Oh, okay.

Whoa, we must like her. Michael, when you and I've chatted, have I asked you questions about you? Sure, absolutely. Okay. This is going somewhere. So, Susan, what would you think if I, only you and I chat on the phone and all I did was talk to you about me that's all what what would your thought be about a future for us just curious don't overthink it Michael what are you

asking him you asking him on the date no no I'm saying okay let me just since this clear is as clear as mud for everyone Susan while I was in Philadelphia last week this guy called Susan And she wasn't going to take the call. I said, no, that's okay. I'll just go in my, you know, do whatever. And then I came back and this guy literally for 45 minutes, all he did was talk about himself. Susan knows everything about this guy, everything about him, how many cars he drives, what kind of cars he drives, where he lives, how much land he owns, what he does for a living, what he earns, everything. You know what she knows? He knows about her? The one question he asked her, which was, what kind of car she had. He knows nothing about her. So I said to her red flag, get rid of him, move along. What do you think, Michael? Did I give good advice?

You did give good advice. You know, I've heard this so many times from women who I met and are out there dating. And I think to try to be kind, I think to some degree it might be, maybe not in this case, but it might be nerves. That's what I said. trying to show off a little bit. But at the end of the day, you've got to be curious about the other person. It's not just about there's a match. How about just being curious about people?

Thank you. But if he researched me, you can see me online. As a matter of fact, you just said. Oh, geez. I see you're back from L.A. And recovering from your procedure, social media, L.O.L. Let me know if you're still interested in meeting. Are you?

Yeah, I said absolutely. Wonderful. As soon as the swelling and the red comes off my face. I'm wishing for me to be the wrongest. Wrongest? I've ever been. I hope this is the many of dreams. I want to throw rose petals at your wedding.

It's been a few years since I went to go meet somebody. That is not true, Susan. Yes, it is. Mr. Marshall guy? Oh, I forgot about my. Uh-huh. I forgot about that. Uh-huh.

Yeah. I did. Yes, I know you did. He was a nice man. I love you, though. He is in like. man are you feeling like one of the girls yet michael a little bit i i have to ask you a question no i don't want to put you on spot susan but i'm going to ask it go ahead so you know to some degree

the fans of the show bachelor nation wants to want want to put certain uh alumni from the men's group with the women and with you it was jack to some degree i wonder how you felt about that jack's a great guy but i don't see you together so now he is a great guy i could see us cooking to laughing together. Oh, but the chemistry wasn't there. So you need that chemistry. You can't force it. He seems like a great guy. He was fun. He just wasn't my guy. Yeah, I'm not surprised. Yeah. I consider him my friend. So Michael, would you know, oh, sorry, go ahead. Did you notice it Edith and Edith and Dan sat together. They were placed together. Did you see that? I'm not in what was that about. I have no idea. I don't know.

I saw them at the party afterwards, and I was like, what? I think we both know. So I have a question for you, Michael, if they have Bachelor in Paradise, are you going? And who do you want to be there? Well, certainly you, Kathy. I want you to be there. That was a loaded question. No, seriously.

Do you want to go? I'd love to go. I'd have to move into a gym for six months, but I can do that. seriously you've said are you serious you're fit yes uh no i'm not you know one of the side effects of this uh this therapy i was on was that it it uh it was a lot of muscle mass so i'm i'm kind of uh i'm thin fairly thin but i i have lost a lot that what i used what did i just say to you michael can i tell you something i didn't have the treatment and the muscle mass has

what did you just say susan what did you just say i didn't have the treatment and i have a problem of muscle mass now i need to get my butt to the gym i have lost a lot of muscle mass from all the traveling and being sick i'm i love to work out with weights and i was supposed to go back to the gym this week with my trainer he couldn't believe it when i had to cancel because i sick I can't do it. Yeah. Well, you guys have the inside scoop. Do you think they might do one at some point?

It's probably too soon, huh? I mean, we've heard that they're talking about doing it, but I also think they're surprised with all the matchups that have been made, or theoretically, and not just matchups, but, you know, people dating, I mean, from the show. Yeah, I'm surprised, too. Some of these guys are kind of, you know, by default, opting out of being the next cold ambassador i'm a little surprised by do you want to be the next one michael i i don't think i'd be i'd be very good at it to be honest i i was the inch one of the big introverts of the group you know i i'm not a big

personality and well you sure are now well thank you i you know i was not myself on that show i was too nervous i didn't present the way i am as a person and that bothered me a little bit i don't think what were you nervous about difference are you kidding about face planting in front of you You know, three million people on television. That's for starters. Wait, Michael, when we, when that is so funny, you said that because when we walked out of the limo, that was my worry that I was going to, because I am a little bit on the klutzy side. All right. Wait, just one thing, excuse me, Kathy, when you're walking with her, just keep your eyes open.

Kathy walks like this and goes in front of you and walk your trip. What are you doing? Stay straight in your lane. Stay in your lane. she said my husband used to say the same thing i go there's a point to this guy i'm laughing because it's so true everyone everybody who walks with me because i power walk with friends i walked with my friend beth the other day she says he goes kathy can you not walk in

and i always start laughing because i can apparently it's like serpent's time she's so funny I can talk to you all day I can talk to you all day I don't know is there any questions we haven't asked you that we should have or do you want to ask us

or ask us something well I did get that one in and yeah and that was maybe a little too serious we've got to wrap this has been a lot of fun oh my gosh yes I think that this is going to do it for this episode We're out of time.

We always run out of time, Kathy. We always run out of time. Michael, thank you. You have been gracious. You've been on the hot seat. Thank you for sharing yourself with us today. It's been grand. We hope you'll come back and do it again.

Yes. I love to show you and thank you so much. And you gave some good advice, Michael. You really did. Yeah. And I'll see you in paradise. That's right. Yeah, you didn't say me, by the way.

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