Bachelor Happy Hour - Logan On Following His Heart

Episode Date: November 2, 2022

This week on Bachelor Happy Hour, Logan joins Becca and Michelle to chat all about his eventful journey on Paradise so far! He’s opening up about what it’s like to watch the show back, what initially attracted him to Shanae, and what he thought about the backlash to his surprise connection with Kate. Plus, he’s revealing whether Lace is still mad about the name mix up and teases what to expect in the coming weeks of Paradise.Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What's up Happy Hour? I'm Becca Kufrin. And I am Michelle Young. We are back with you all again this week to talk about everything that went down in the past two nights of paradise. Yes, this week has been crazy on Paradise. I feel like it's been crazy on social media. It's just been crazy in general. There's so much that has happened, but the original girls returning to the beach.

And then after that, we are going to also be talking to Logan, our guest today. Yeah, I'm excited to have him on mainly because he was part of a very interesting love triangle that I don't think anyone saw coming. I want to get his take on the Hayden situation when he took his girl, Kate, on this date. But before we get into all of that, all the craziness that Paradise is, what's up? What's going on? You're still in Minnesota. I am, but you know what, Becca, we always start with me. But we're going to take this minute because I feel like you have something to show off.

Oh, do I. You have a little bling, bling that you might have to show off. Yes, our girl, she got engaged. You're acting like you're surprised. Michelle knew about this for a while. I know. I know. I've known, but now I can finally, like, be excited in public. Yeah. And, like, I don't have to hide the secret anymore. I'm so excited, though. Yeah. It feels good. Good. Good. I'm feeling good. I mean, like, for us, it happened about a month ago. So it's, like, been the norm for us. But I don't know. We just like to hold on to things and keep it a little secret. And, you know, we wanted to take the time to be able to tell all of our friends and family first before the world. So we were just.

just soaking in this little special moment for the past couple weeks, but it's, it's fun now because, you know, it cats out of the bag, surprise. You know, I will say this. You have a good group of, like, just friends and family and, like, secret keepers. Oh, yes. Yeah, because when you popped the question for Thomas, like, nobody had an idea, any idea whatsoever. And I think, like, the only inkling of, like, the only inkling of, like, you know, like people who had any idea of this,

him popping the question for you was like potential bystanders that maybe like we're like speculating different things. Yeah. You know? So yeah. No, you guys are secret keepers. But that's exciting. So does this mean like wedding planning is officially starting?

Kind of. We're still waiting on the house to be done. So it's like we've talked about what we kind of would like it to look like. Okay. But this house has been, like, it has been getting to me so much in the past week that once it's done, we'll really be able to sit down and, like, start to put together a full guest list and all that.

Yeah, I mean, like, you know me. I've said this before. I'm not a planner. So, like, the fact of having to plan a wedding, I really do not look forward to it. We have so many friends, especially, like, all of my friends back in Minnesota, I swear, are getting married this year. They're planning destination weddings. planning destination bachelorette parties.

There's so much with them already that I'm like, well, shit, when can we get married? Like, what weekend's going to work? So we're trying to coordinate against all of that. But, yeah, I think probably December, January will, like, really sit down and start putting it all together. Okay. That's exciting, though. Also, I feel like even though you're not a planner, you don't like to plan your fiancé

does. He is like, he's like thinking of planning. I don't know if I've ever seen a man who can plan the way Thomas does. Oh, yeah. He's so good. And he's like, not even a planner, but he just like goes above and beyond for things to just like zhage anything up. So I am really lucky that I'll have him throughout this.

I feel like most, not to stereotype, but like most women would take the wedding planning process on themselves. But he, I know, will be like in the trenches with me side by side. We're probably making more decisions than I will, which is very helpful. So, yeah, I'm, I lucked out that I got him as my partner. Is there anything that, like, you're like, excuse me, is there anything that when you're, like, thinking about wedding planning, you know that there's people who have their wedding planned out in, like, years in advance, right?

Like, Pinterest plugged it all in, okay? Is there anything that you are like, this is a non-negotiable? Like, yes, I want this at my wedding. I want this to happen or if you're like something that's like people traditionally do at their weddings and you're like I refuse like what I had a friend who she refused to have a wedding cake she's like I refuse to have a wedding cake like I want a dessert station but there will be no cake there will be no cupcakes there will be no cheese like cheese cakes like I don't know what she she has something against cake but is there anything that like is like a non-negotiable or like

absolutely not I'm the opposite of her I want like 14 cakes I love cakes um we i mean i definitely want a champagne tower like that is like the one not even the one but like i know we want that just because i have my sparkling wine line and i just love champagne so that's a must and um we're just like not super traditional so i'm like i don't want you know and we've been to so many weddings i don't want the seated plated long long dinner that goes on. You have to listen to all the speeches. I just want it to be a party for everybody. And so we, I think, want like four or five food trucks to come in. People can eat as they want. They can get whatever, whenever. And just more of like a fun atmosphere, especially

if so many of my friends and family are coming into town. I don't want it to like be taken up by this like proper dinner where everyone has to sit at like their special spot. I just want it to be like mingling galore all night and so that's definitely what we want um other than that like good food good music good drinks like beyond that i'm not too picky so yeah so just like a big party party vibe i love that i love that good food good music good champagne good drinks good dessert good company good all around all around just one big party yeah love it so i'm excited i love that's so exciting. Well, we'll have to, you have to keep us updated as much as possible as you guys start to get through this. But yes, first that house. I mean, yeah, I feel like you and I could chat about all of our fun personal stuff all day long. But let's get into Paradise before we bring Logan on. I mean, I feel like every week, random stuff keeps happening, like, that I don't expect. What were some of your favorite parts or cringe-worthy parts of this week's episodes? honestly I think what blows my mind right now is like nobody knows what they want I feel like

it's just like every single episode or everything like somebody changes like you feel like a relationship that's getting closer and they're talking about like yeah it's you it's you like no like let's work this out and then you know we had the split week happen which was like a lot okay and then like you come back and then it's just like I'm going to change my mind and then go over here and then then oh like then they come back and realize it and then like agree on something and then it go over here so it's just like I feel like nobody's like besides Brandon and Serene nobody's like actually spending enough adequate time with each other to actually get to know anybody like to get to know and actually try but then also um wait is sorry is it Hayden

Hayden okay yes Hayden um him talking about his golden retriever dog just like for like Like how, like, that's a part, like half the episode. I understand, though. I get it. I know it probably rubbed a lot of people wrong, but coming from somebody who is obsessed with her two dogs, I totally understand. Yeah, but like when he came down the stairs and who asked him, someone asked him, like, what are your goals or like, what are your morals?

What qualities are you looking for? And you're like, I have a golden retriever. Yeah. I'm like it reminds me when a you're back in the elementary school classroom where like what do you want to be when you grow up? A dog yeah right

like yeah there definitely is just like really completely yeah there's a time and a place for starting conversations well it's just interesting because it's like also it's nerve wracking coming into this like you know you're coming in a little bit late you don't know who's going to be there you know people have already

made relationships but it's like it's either going to do one of two things like it's going to make you like crack or it's going to kick you into like you have a lot of time to catch up and like from somebody who did enter the scene incredibly late haven't been on paradise but with math season it's just like you can you can talk about like yes your dog is important and you know everything like that but like at one point like you have to talk about exactly what you want exactly you know what partner you're looking for and all these other things even though it seems like whatever partner he finds actually will just definitely still be second priority to the dog which he made very good

clear. We'll see. I was actually surprised that Kate said yes to go on that date. I did not see that coming. We'll get into all of that once we actually bring Logan on. Michelle, one thing that really stuck out to me for this episode was the whole situation between Rodney, Eliza, and Justin. And it seems like a consistent theme with Eliza and Kate and maybe some other women. They like really want their men to step up this week, to fight for their relationship. But let me start first with a question to you. If you were in Eliz's position and you were dating Rodney, which, you know, I know that might be a little bit weird, but just hear me out here. Put yourself in her position and you, what looks like for me as a viewer, is like one of the strongest, strongest relationship so far on the beach.

You guys are vibing. You've already had a date. it's going well everyone thinks that you're pretty much a done deal how would you have wanted rodney's response to be to you when somebody else asked you on a date gosh this is so hard just because i have gotten you know i'm trying to step outside of the fact because it's just like when i'm watching this on the screen i under like i know rodney or like i you know what i mean like he was on you know when he was on my season i was able to get to know him And so when he's speaking about just that he doesn't want to be hypocritical, or he's speaking about, like, I don't want to take anything away from you, it's purely his concern where he puts the other person first.

And he's not, you know what I mean? And so, like, I really think that Eliza took it as, like, we all come to the table with different experiences, right? But, like, Rodney is just trying to say, I don't want to take anything away from you. You know, like, I don't want to be the person to do that. I don't want to be the person to stop you from doing that. And so I think if I were in her position, I would see, I would probably pay more closer attention to, like, the fact that, like, that's a sign of respect to a certain extent of, like, you know, he wants me with, with, however the experience has gone or whatever, like, conversations that you've had, he's opened up. He seemed to be very vulnerable. You know, they have been able to grow that relationship fairly quickly.

They both, you know, got on kind of late and were still able to, like, make it to a fairly, like, sturdy point. And it's like, that's more of, like, a sign of respect. But then I can also see how it could be taken the other way because it's like, you do want something to fight for you in a certain, to a certain extent. And you kind of know, too, just being the Bachelorette. It's different in Paradise, too, when there are more options. in front of you and there's more relationships forming and like actual tangible couples that you can see and especially on that beach like when people love someone like it seems like collectively everyone on that beach for the most part loves Rodney they adore him they keep saying how sweet

he is and so when you're constantly hearing that even though she might be into somebody who's not Rodney like Justin to constantly hear that I feel like and I don't know and this is why I would talk with Eliza is like maybe she felt boxed into like still trying to force that relationship to work even though she maybe didn't fully feel like it was the right one and that's where I'm just saying like I wish the directness would have come out a bit more of like hey Rodney I like you but I also like Justin too like I just wish there was more of that where it wasn't so muddled yeah I feel like everybody has a love triangle almost yeah it's it'll be interesting to see what happened to but um yeah one other person that was in the midst of a little bit of i'm not even

like drama per se but like in the midst of a sticky situation was logan so i think it's just time to bring him on we have some questions for him obviously with him and kate's blue moon relationship so without further ado everyone let's get into it with logan logan welcome back to happy hour this is your second time in like two months here yeah feels like home now happy to be you're one of the new co-hosts yeah well fill us in how have you been we saw you at gabby and ritchell's mental all which like i said was a couple months ago how have you been since then i've been good i've been good yeah it's been uh it's just been a crazy year it's been a lot packed into a little bit of time and uh i'm kind of like getting into the flow of it. I'm starting to like, you know, feel comfortable and feel

good about, you know, my journey. So it's been good. Thanks for asking. Are you exhausted? Because you literally came off that like how it works. Everything's such a quick turnaround. So you come off this season, right? You went through all those emotions for the first time like that massive learning curve responding, you know, just seeing everybody's Bachelor Nation's response to you. And then straight into bachelor in paradise yeah no i think emotionally i've probably aged like 20 to 25 years uh or maybe physically too it's like a presidency i was just gonna say that yep yeah i mean emotionally that's not too bad physically right yeah no i need some lotion it's like it's been quite a year um it's just been non stuff i just been it's just been going and going you know but

it's it's all good things it's all exciting it's all helps you grow it's all productive so it's good things yeah it's good things how has it been watching bachelor in paradise back like how is your mental state going to like watching yourself on the screen again for the second time versus when you're on richland gabby season is it a little bit easier it's different it's different i think it is easier in some senses because i made such good friends in paradise that it's really uh assuring to like have those people and see them on screen talk about you in a positive way or see that people had your back or like people understood more than you thought they did you know what i mean so um you know it it

sometimes is nice to watch it on the screen and see things that people said behind the scenes that maybe made you feel better about a situation or just kind of like warmed you up a little bit like wow what it you know it was nice nice to know that that johnny had my back or that you know it was nice to know that Chenet felt that way at that time or that, you know, this person, you know, it's kind of nice to hear those things sometimes. Yeah. That's actually, I'm glad that you brought that up because, like, taking it back to when you were on the Boucheret, you, and I personally don't even think you did anything wrong. Like, I think you handled the situation, like, as best you could juggling the two Boucherads. But you kind of, in a sense, got a bad rep for moving from

Rachel to Gabby. And, you know, of course, like in this world, people hype everything up and it's also heightened. And so when we saw you at the tell-all, you were struggling a bit. Like, I know that there was a lot out there that you were, I think that was your first time, like, trying to process with all of the comments and criticism from the show and on social media to then going on to paradise. You not only meet all new people, make new friendships, but it seems like for the most part. A lot of people, like you said, did have your back and really supported you and got to know you for you and who Logan really is. And they all had great things to say. So how does that feel like not even that 180 from your time on The Bachelor? But like just seeing people kind of like

see you grow and like support you through that journey. What does that feel like? You know, it feels good. And I just have to remember that like being liked is not the goal. Like, although it does feel good. It is like something that makes you feel special or whatever. The truth is like the right thing to do is always the popular thing to do. And that's kind of what I've based like all of my journeys on, like whether it was Bachelorette or Bachelor in Paradise. Like I was faced with some tough choices where there was a lot of ways to go about it. And I tried to do it in a way that felt like it was the right thing to do rather than like, oh, this will be received well or this to be popular um so although i love feeling like my friends had my back and feeling like i'm getting

some love from from people i'm just i'm proud of the way i handled things just because i felt like uh i i spoke in a way that i was proud of and i never i never uh intentionally treated anyone in a way where i tried to hurt them um and those are things that i i hang my hat on so i was I was proud of that, you know? Yeah, absolutely. I can totally see that for sure. And that's a good mindset to have with everything. And what I will say is, yes, you did have people stand up for you.

And yes, there are people who maybe you weren't, you know, they weren't big fans. But the ladies seem to be a big fan when you were down in Paradise because I don't even know what the record is for the amount of dates that somebody has gone on in one season. But I feel like you might be flirting with, like, the record line. because how many dates have you got on to this point? Three dates in Paradise. You were sought after. I don't know. I'm just as surprised as everyone else.

Like I have no, I don't know how that happened. I was not like trying to do that. I was not like trying to insert myself into every situation to get a date. I think I just, you know, I met people in a certain sequence where like, I came down to the beach wanting to get to know Cheney and she was open to getting to know me and it worked out where she got a date card and, you know, Sarah was someone who, you know, saw something in me and I was so flattered and floored that I got a second one. And then, you know, what happened with Kate was I feel like that was totally kind of like a side, like almost in a different, a different, I don't know how to, how to, how to, put it really it just felt a lot different it was it's something that was very sudden and very jarring but very uh honest and and that and then i went on a third one i i was just as shocked as

everyone else is like i was not like oh yeah this is me three days of course i was like holy smokes like i didn't even i think i didn't go on one one-on-one on my season so i was like not used to that i was not used to it i was totally caught off guard um but totally flattered totally grateful and you know each experience was so different each date was so different and offered insight into who I was with in a different way but yeah it's great well you know what they say third times the charm and it seems like that third date really was the one for you but okay before we get into like the more serious side of the relationships in those dates let's go back to the very first night. You had a moment

with lace or should I say loose. That was quite iconic. Did you think her name was Lucy? Like how did that come out? Becky, you nailed it. I was

a lot of people have gathered from from different parts of the episodes that I wasn't well versed in like my Bachelor history. And I showed up to the beach and everyone was a fresh face. Like, no matter who they were, unless they were on my season, they were a new person to me.

And, you know, Lace approached me and, like, wanted to have a conversation. And I was totally up for it. And while we were talking, I'm like, okay, your name definitely starts with it now. I've only been here for a couple hours. I'm learning everyone's name. I was almost sure it was Lucy. but I was like I keep hearing like one syllable so it's so it's loose short for Lucy

and I'm like I'm going to do it I'm going to send it I'm going to say it and see what I see if it's right I always did the tequila leaving on the tequila always so I'm like I'm just going to do it I'm going to say it so I was like so loose what's your favorite movie or something

like that she's like excuse me and on top of that Like, I think you were, you would set up like this little birthday celebration for her, right? She, she had, uh, had a cake made for, made by Wells. Yes. And it was fake birthday. I just found out it wasn't actually her birthday when I watched. Like, I did.

Wait, what was your response? What was your reaction to that? Genius. I mean, I was genius. I mean, to just be like, it's my birthday. I mean, I've done that at like Chili's before. Oh, yeah. Oh, it's my birthday.

You want that free dessert. Of course. yeah why not take chilies and bring it to paradise and just be like you know it's my birthday treat me you know come come talk with me i was dying like that whole that whole encounter and listen like i understand getting names wrong like i have forgotten names on my season so it's it's a lot to take in especially when this is your first time meeting everyone on that beach it's crazy town yeah yeah i mean how many people were there the first night like so upwards of like probably 13, 14, and I'm just, like, trying to get to no name.

So once you're too deep in a conversation and you can't ask, sometimes you just got to, like, take a swing at it. I get it. Go bigger, go home, balls to the walls. Yeah, but she's great. We're, you know, we talk. We're good friends now, and we totally joke about it. So it's totally cool.

And she's a great sport about it, you know, so. You'll have to send her a birthday cake with loose on it. on her actual birthday. Is she saved in your phone as loose? No, no. I gave her the correct name. The correct vowel. Yeah, the correct vowel this time.

Okay, wait, so I have two things for you. You caught my attention when you said, I came down the stairs wanting to get to know Chenet. What about her? Did you actually, like, she didn't have a good rep on the first time around. It's like a really not a good rep. Yeah.

What did you know about her? Like what coming on the stairs? You're like, I want to get to know Sheney, regardless of everything that was being said. Yeah. Yeah. I think, you know, Jesse asked me at the stairs, like, who would you like to get to know? And I said Sheney, and it was kind of, it was a thing where I felt like on my season and in just a lot of my life in general, I was someone who was like,

a bit misunderstood just always i just like like on my season i just i was trying to be honest and trying to be the right guy and sometimes it came out in ways that maybe people didn't quite understand and i felt like i was kind of the odd man out a lot i felt like an outcast a bit and just like growing up as a kid i kind of felt that way and i looked at cheney and i was like this is someone who maybe feels that way too who feels like they were kind of like you know a bit of an oddball in the in the group as a whole um you know she maybe maybe i thought to myself maybe she's misunderstood maybe she's like very different in person maybe there's like a lot more to her and she's beautiful i mean i you know i'm not going to act like that didn't play a little bit into it but um so i

went down there thinking maybe she was like me in a lot of ways that that are rare and i wasn't wrong you know i that first date i a lot of those things that i was curious about were true she there is a lot more to shenay than people know um however i think there are some qualities that came with with that that that overpowered um the good things that i saw uh there are there were some qualities that weren't really conducive to a relationship to me that overpowered those good things that I saw. So, well, let's get into that then, because you bring up an interesting point. Did you see those right away or did it not come till later?

Because to like remind all of our viewers and listeners, like that first week, you had the date with Schnee. It seemed to go well. And then James comes down. And she's kind of bouncing between both you and James. And you're both trying to step up and, you know, show her how much you care about her. And I would assume, you know, get that rose. So talk to us a little bit about your experience, like pursuing her while she's still exploring the separate connection with James.

Yeah. So there is no part of me that was ever upset that she wanted to explore. That wasn't really what rubbed me because I know, you know, Shanae had told. told me that she had been single for a while and that she had had some tough goes in terms of relationships and that, you know, she was just getting used to the idea of like having someone long term. And so in response, I told her, well, if someone comes down those stairs and you feel like it's something you need to explore, you should do it, you know, because I want you to have the full experience. And when that happened and she got the date from James,

I was supportive of the idea of her exploring. I didn't realize until later, until she left for split week, that I wasn't crazy about the way she went about it at times. It's not the fact that she wanted to date. It was more certain behaviors that made me feel kind of disrespected in a way. And you know what? when it was happening, I was totally blind to it because I was, I liked her so much and I wanted to show her I cared and I wanted to be the person that she picked. And, and, you know, I tried really

hard and she ended up picking me. And, you know, the day after that rose ceremony was the morning after was split. You know, we got split. So we never, we never really got to like have a conversation before she left about how that week kind of affected me and how I was feeling about how she went about it and if there was some things we should talk about or work through together rather than having any of those conversations jesse was like you're you're splitting they're going here you're going here so you know what when she left i talked with my friends i mean you saw part of it we sat on the couch and i was like i don't know i don't know what to do in this situation and they were like hey man you know as your friend um she was like making out with james

ran for in your face and you know she was like uh there was some some behaviors that we saw that make us think maybe you should explore maybe you should give yourself the same grace you know because she had this opportunity to explore and she did it uh and you should do it too um so it was it was a long kind of like process to go through in my head to get to the get to the final conclusion of like you know what i should do the same thing and i i should tell her how how it made me feel and kind of like i should do it in a way that's respectful so Seriously. No, no, no. I'm so glad that you actually brought that up or started talking about that because so this is something that I was wondering as I was watching it last week go down. So you and Sheney have the split week, right? That's when you start exploring. You went on a date with Sarah. You went on your date with Kate. You're now with Kate. And the girls come back to the beach. And so you know at that point you have to have a conversation with Sheney and just say, hey, you know, I'm being. being tugged over here by Kate, and that's kind of like where my head and my heart are at right now.

Obviously, now, you've watched this all unfold. So you watched her time when she was at the hotel. She obviously went on a date with Tyler. She wanted to take Tyler to the boom boom room. And then that didn't work out. So when you're, like, obviously your experience when you were living in that moment was vastly different than when you're watching it back. But what was going through your mind now when you're seeing? all of that unfold. She basically wants to, you know, go spend the night with Tyler and then she gets upset for you at you for saying you have these feelings for Kate. Because I was like, in my mind, I'm watching this. I'm like, girlfriend, you just tried taking this man, this other man to the boom boom room. And now you're getting mad at Logan for kind of doing the same thing, but like not even taking Kate to the boom boom room.

No. Yeah. What was that like watching it back? Because you obviously had no idea. It's not like she's going to tell you that. no i had no clue that it had gotten to that point i mean all that i was told by chenea was that she had kind of explored something with tyler but that he didn't make her feel the way that i can make her feel and obviously like we approach the situation very differently right you know if you remember the soundbites like on my date with sarah i was literally like i'm scared to hold her hand because i don't know what that would imply you know what i mean it was like and of course i i let my guard down and eventually opened myself up to it but I was very hesitant I was very like unsure of like if I wanted to risk what me and Chena had it was like a big it was a big battle in my head

whereas looking back at her journey she was like she's mad chilling she was like let's go to the room but it was very hypocritical and that's why I'm like hey girlfriend why are you so mad at him right now when you literally did the same thing and then And she also was like, this is great. I'm just here because everyone was really stressed where the other girls, the original girls' numbers were all stressed. And she was like, this is great. I'm just hanging now where, I mean, air conditioning, I totally get that piece.

But like, just dating, we're just dating. This is life. And it's like, I get that. But. Yeah, I think her exact quote was like, I'm just so glad Logan's not here or something like that. Oh, shit. So, yeah, I was like, obviously watching back, I was like, wow. I mean, when you put it in bullet points, like, you called me a slow done.

F word you said I was gutter trash you tried to take my buddy this was all said about you yeah by Chenet I don't remember this I do not remember that yeah she said that to jenev's um oh said some pretty intense things about me called me gutter trash I mean the night before I broke up with her or two nights before she tried to take my buddy Tyler to the boom boom room and then I'm the I got the fire I got I got the heat for it yeah so I was like watching it back I was like, man, I, I feel like I didn't visit, you know, I didn't have any of that coming. So, lace, loose, shemay, and then I don't know where. Wait, my conversation with lace, like, fits into all of those other things.

I'm just going down. Because we're sought after, so I'm talking about everybody who sought after you, okay? And then I'm nowhere, though, Kate, Kate professes her love or her not love. Oh, yeah. interest to you i was like did i miss something yeah she's yep she just came right out of the gates hey we do that now but um so kate does professor interest for you and how like were you surprised was that like were you totally caught off guard oh yeah hit me like a comment it was like out of nowhere um i know they only showed part of it um but there was a bit of a there was a really impactful conversation where um

It actually started with her talking about her connections and, you know, almost asking me for advice in a sense where she's like, how are you feeling? How do you deal with all this? You know a couple of these people. What's your experience with them? And it went from that, almost like a friendly advice conversation to like, you know what? I feel really comfortable talking to you. And I've never said this, but I have like an attraction towards you.

And it was like, whoa, it was like, it was shocking, you know what I mean? And I, my first reaction or response was like, I feel that way too. And it was, it was exciting. It was also like frightening because I'm like, I love Jacob to death. That's one of my good buddies. And I would never want to put that friendship at risk. She also was friends with Sarah, you know, and she understood like the impact that us pursuing each other would have but she was still for it and i think that's what like was the most

magnetizing for me is she was like we'll figure it out we'll talk about how to go about it we'll like try and be respectful but like you're the person i want to be with so i'm willing to walk through fire to get there for you and i was like i'm i'm with you like i'm i'm here for it i'm 100% in uh just because that kind of like it's going to be hard but like it's worth it if we can be together type attitude that's kind of like how I feel like if you know if anyone's like picked that up if that's how I feel it's kind of like a do or die type thing where it's like whatever we'll figure out along the way but if it ends with us having a chance then let's do it and that's kind of how she came at me in it it it was like it hit me hard I liked it I was here for it you know

well then so you went on this date with Kate and I said this on the podcast last week it seemed like you just felt both of you felt more at ease with each other like it just seemed so lighthearted you could banter off of one another and I because we had Kate on last week and I'm like that day could have been really awkward with anyone else like

massaging each other up and throwing mud on one another you know like you like you had to have done it with the right person and it just seemed easy for the both of you so talk to us about that like undeniable connection on that date between you too

yeah i think a lot of our uh attraction toward each other was based on humor you know being able to like poke fun at herself and she's she's very good at that um so like it was obviously a date that could have been super awkward um i think we had like we were like feeding each other cucumbers like under the massage table we're like slapping mud on each other's backs um making just like the most ridiculous jokes and stuff uh but yeah it definitely does take the right person i i think that date with anyone else could have been like awkward. Yeah. I think that that's like one of my favorite things about these shows that people at home

like don't understand is that it is so awkward. Like these dates, you're in the room, but like you have all the producers around you. You have all the cameras that are right there. And then it's like this first date situation. So it's like you learn who you're comfortable with and who you're not very, very quickly. but can we take can we take a second to talk about the camera angle because

when your head was like in that whole of the chair and like there was a camera staring up at you and you just owned it you're like you dead on like broke the fourth wall that was so great I'm like camera man so all I can do is respect the angle. Get all these angles get up in here

oh yeah I love the memes too it's like, what's the movie where he's like, here's Johnny and it's like Well, and like in your defense too, Kate I think was sitting at you on you at that point So it's like you didn't really have anywhere to go Like the camera's below you Kate's on top of you You're like I'm in it to win it right now

I'm here for it like This is my TV moment at this point You ever think about like my family's going to be seeing this And like they're like dead ass just like straight on See my face Through all this while this chick is sitting on top of me massaging. You know what? When you're that deep in it, you're like, my family's going to see all of this. I'm just going to lean into it. I'm going to like is what it is. Gramey, sorry. Sorry.

You have to see that. Sorry, Grandpa. How was Kate feeling coming back, not even from that date per se, but like knowing that she would be coming back to the speech with you, you guys were obviously together. And then knowing at some point soon, Shanae would be coming back and you'd have to have that conversation with her because they didn't quite hit it off and like have great things to say about each other at the tell all so that had to have been looming in the back of her mind too what was she like we were like very much a team about it i think that's what kind of what i was talking about we were very comforting toward each other and we knew it wasn't going to be pretty and we knew that it was going to be rocky but yeah she said something to the effect of like

i'll be your life raft if you need me which was like really sweet You know, I tried to give that same thing to her. Like, and it's not just, you know, Sheney is not a monster or anything. And obviously, like, breaking up with someone, like there's feelings of frustration. There's going to be that. It was more of like, whatever happens. It wasn't like, oh, Sheney's going to be this crazy, whatever. It wasn't like that.

It was more like this whole entire process is going to be difficult for both of us. And as long as, like, I'm holding your hand, whatever, we'll figure it out. So that was the kind of attitude that we had for each other that made it feel like it's going to be tough, but we'll figure it out, you know? Yeah. Yeah, it felt like her, she had a lot of confidence. I'm sure that was calming almost, right? It seemed like it was calming to you just that she was able to vocalize that so well to you about, you know, how difficult it was. And then you two return or potentially would be, but then you two return to the beach.

What was the vibe like? did you feel like everybody else kind of had support for Kate and you of kind of how things would potentially unfold and now that you guys would be exploring that relationship? Yeah, I think I had some great friends on the beach. We got really close, me and the guys, and they wanted me to be happy, you know? And they, I mean, they're looking out for the girls too, but they saw me as someone who, I think I would like to say they saw me as someone who was like following their heart and who was, like doing something difficult because he found someone he really liked and so they were they were happy

that i was able to come at the other side on it you know and and you know be sitting next to someone who i was like pretty into so i think they were really supportive so let's get into the next week when hating comes down and asks your girl on a date were you so floored that she said yes and what was that like when she left were you still confident in that connection that you two had built where you were like she's going to go on the state realize you know kind of what he is about who he is and you know will be fine returning like what was going through your brain all day because that had to have been a long day yeah and you know what I had I had already been through a lot in the last couple of days I felt like and so it's she but I kind of kept that same attitude

dude that I, the whole time I was at the beach, which is like, if you love something, then let it go. If it comes back, it was meant to be. And I was never going to be someone who was like, you're not allowed to do this. You're not like, I don't care if you're interested. If you're, you're not allowed, I would never be that guy. All I could do is express or try to express whether I was good at it or not, express that I didn't love the idea and express that like it's not something I'm going to enjoy.

It's something that is a necessary evil to test the relationship, but I don't love the idea of it. And she decided to say yes. And I'll be honest, I was surprised. I thought I would give her the option to go. And I thought she would say no. And say, like, I thought she would say, I'm into Logan. And we just went through all this stuff. He just got cursed out by Sheney.

And he just, you know, we just had this crazy week together. This thing is set in stone. We're going to get to know each other more and explore this relationship. And I was hoping that's how it would, you know, that's how it would go. But she ended up accepting the date. And I said, okay, well, that's not the outcome I wanted. But maybe it'll make us stronger. Maybe it'll be better, you know.

So got to roll with the punches. Do you feel like because Kate was so vocal. And she was so vocal with you right off the bat. And, you know, we talk about love languages and how everybody receives love. you tend to love in the ways that you want to receive it, correct? So she seems like she does a lot of words of affirmation, telling you, I will be the life raft. She's, you know, giving you these very distinct things that allow you to hear that she is there. Do you feel like maybe in that situation she was looking for you to really, like, strongly vocalize as she had before everybody came back to the beach?

She was looking for a vocal affirmation for me. you know the vocal of like don't go um you know i think she probably was and i'm like i'm like mature enough to like realize i'm not always good at that you know sometimes i keep my cards close to the chest and i don't like it's hard for me to let someone know how much i care um so i that's something i could have been better at and i'm like willing to like you know say that um but i think you're right like we we we show love and the way that we want to receive it and uh for me it was like at that point in my journey i was like not even considering i was like not even looking over my shoulder a little bit so when uh

you know when she comes to me and she's like i'm i'm thinking i'm i might go on a date at that point i'm like i was hurt you know and i was like you know what if you feel like going go ahead i had a little bit of like a laissez-faire like whatever attitude because i was was like her a little bit um so well and i feel like to you get to and i'm sure you felt this on the beach but like it seems like you get to a certain level or like a threshold in a relationship on that beach where you feel solid and confident right like at first everyone's kind of testing the waters and keeping their options open and wanting to explore everything but at a certain point you get there and you're like okay i'm solid in my connection like at

this point people can come down and I'm not worried and it seemed and I guess like from this week that's where we were all thrown because it seemed like you and Kate were there and it also seemed like Rodney and Eliza were there where it was like nope you know we can have these tests like these new people come down we're solid so I understand why you would have felt the way you did when she said yes to the state with Hayden yeah and I would like any advice I would give to someone to come down on the beach is you have to be like overly over and on the nose and say things very bluntly or else they will be stretched

like unless you say like hey so you and I are never going to accept another date right? Unless you say that like it's not clear nothing left up for interpretation totally totally it's like the whole telephone game thing where like

people talk and other people say things and then you're with the producers and it's like all this hearsay for a while where it gets so muddled so yes I love that you just said that just be blunt and direct for anyone going down to Paradise in the future I feel like it's very

needed. Because you could think you have an understanding like oh we're on the same page you're not. I'm going to tell you you're not. Yeah. Okay, Logan, we got to wrap this up soon. Before we get into like the last little bit here give us a teaser of what's

to come without giving too much away just a little sneak peek tease of Paradise. Okay. There's a lot of fun coming up in the next you know a couple episodes of paradise there's also a ton of heartache for my friends maybe some for me like there's a there's a lot ahead and it's it's exciting it's terrifying it's it's it's great to watch you'll laugh you'll cry it's it's a lot of head so uh you definitely got to tune in to understand what i mean i'm i like that you said fun

I don't think anyone else says that I mean it's like Oh man Especially I'm like You guys had fun Okay good Everyone's like it's wild It's crazy

It's dramatic It's like we know what this TV show is No there is some fun Yeah there is some laughing Maybe some dancing Maybe from me even Oh okay I know what you're talking about

I see what you're putting out there Logan Okay I love it No that was perfect I feel like even though I mean, we're already, what, 11 episodes deep right now? And, like, there's still so much more to go. So we are invested.

But, Logan, before we let you go, we always do this thing where we love to keep all of our listeners informed and share important resources. So Michelle and I usually always start, but then we would love if you could share a resource too for all of our listeners. Michelle, would you like to start this week? Sure, sure. So we've been doing this, like Becca said, for a little bit. now. And the podcast that I'm actually going to be referring to is it focuses on a lot that's going on and a lot of the tension, you know, with the comments that Kanye is creating and that kind of that hurt, that pain. So it's called voices, it's called voices on anti-Semitism.

They go in, they interview all these different people who had survived the Holocaust and it kind of just really digs into it of just perspective and allows the listeners to actually hear. like stories and actual feelings and it unfortunately puts a face and a voice to the people who be like directly affected and so that yeah that one I can link for you guys it's just it's a really really powerful podcast again it's called voices and so I highly recommend listening to everybody who everyone should know what's going on and and definitely taking a step in not, you know, condoning any, or not accepting just how anyone in the public, I, how famous or not, doesn't mean that they're always doing the correct thing and should

definitely be held accountable. So, all right. And what platform is it on? I'm sorry, did you say Michelle? I believe it's on, I know that it's on Apple Podcast. I believe I'll check on Spotify, but I'll always put, I'll link the list of the areas and then YouTube. You can also get I run of that, too. Voices. Thanks, Michelle. Cool. Okay.

I have a couple because, well, one randomly popped up last night. So I'm going to shoot that one first because, um, y'all know I love Grace Anatomy. And I will say this. Obviously, we know Grace Anatomy focuses on surgery, but they did have an episode that I watched last night, um, that I feel like is, this was probably filmed years ago and it's still very timely. Um, it's season 12, episode seven. And basically there's a scenario in the show where it discusses white privilege a bit and basically like the moment, how and when one of the white surgeons finally realized like her implicit bias that she had.

So obviously that shows entertaining, but I think it's very timely still for this day and age. The one that I wanted to share though is I actually have the book here. And I just started it. So I'm not very deep into it, but it came recommended. it's called Born a Crime by Trevor Noah and basically so he was born in South Africa during apartheid and he was born to a black South African mother and then he has a white European father so it's basically his story going through growing up during apartheid as a biracial man um again I'm still fresh in it but one part that I it gets into is um kind of like how speech dictate the

way he would act and like assimilate in different group settings um so once i'm finished with this i will still share more about this book um but that's one of the resources that i'm sharing this week and also because um by the time this airs we're not going to have another episode before the following week so don't forget next week everyone Tuesday November 8th is national election day so get out and vote because it's so important and that's the third thing that's the third resource and homework to do is vote on Tuesday November 8th. And with that, Logan, you are up. Also, you're Trevor Noah, that one, the resource, there's actually like an also like an

adapted version for like younger children. I think it's like, I don't know with age ranges, but I think it's like 10, between 10 and 15. I can try to find it too. But there's like, there's an audio book for it. And there's a book that adapts. So it's like a little bit easier to understand and it makes it more. yeah thanks Michelle yeah awesome all right the teacher I love I was gonna say well your kids were probably a little bit younger than for that but but you guys had great ones those were both awesome thank you you are up man all right um so I there's I'm a very outdoorsy guy I used to be a snorkel tour guide um big kayaker in the ocean I love the beach obviously um so I found

an association called Parks for Everyone, where it's focused on giving the opportunity to have outdoor experiences to underprivileged and more diverse groups of people. I think a lot of times these types of activities, which are like great for you physically, great for your mental health, learning about nature, learning about animals and different species and conservation, a lot of kind of the same groups of people get access to these types of activities and there's a ton of people who could probably benefit from those types of activities that never get to just because they don't have the resources or they're just never exposed to it in general. So this association parks for everyone was made in 2020 and it's focused

on giving like more diverse groups of people access to outdoor activities. They plan hikes, they plan kayaking trips, ocean trips, you know, stuff where people can experience nature and there's no exclusion when it comes to who can enjoy our, you know, our oceans and our mountains and forests and stuff. And, you know, it gives a lot of different kinds of people access to those benefits. Awesome. Parks for everyone. Parks for everyone.

Well, thanks, Logan. I appreciate that. Yeah. Before we let you go, okay, so we're going to do our rose and thorn. So basically what you're going to do is you are going to give us a rose, so a positive. part in your experience up until this point and then a thorn which you can guess something not so positive up until this point messy crazy whatever totally throw it out the rose it's easy for me when i got to paradise me and johnny were obviously very good buddies and every morning we'd wake up

early and go jump in the ocean and go swim out to the rocks and hang out in the waves and then one by one like Aaron started coming and then Rodney and Brandon and all eventually we had the entire group of guys up at sunrise swimming in the water in the ocean every morning it was like the coolest way to start a day ever we're all we're all we're all we're all buddies we called it the sunrise swim club coolest way to start a day you know go get breakfast after that with your with your buddies so that's my rose uh thorn I got like some of the gnarliest infected bug bites that would make you sick to your stomach it was like do you have any pictures insane yeah you wouldn't want to see him though on that note logan we're kicking you off it has been a pleasure once again

and um hopefully we'll see you back after the reunion i would love that all right thank you guys it's been fun okay well that was fun he's he's such a nice guy i'm glad that he was able to shed a little bit more light on you know his time and relationships and all of the dates he went on during Paradise. So thanks, Logan. Yes, thank you. And Michelle, always so much fun with you. But the biggest thanks goes out to our Happy Hour listeners. We couldn't be here each and every week without

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