Bachelor Happy Hour - Love and Loss in Andalucía
Episode Date: February 14, 2024Joe and Serena discuss last night’s tearful episode in Andalucía, Spain. They cover the Malta aftermath, the women’s intensifying emotions, and the sweet and silly paintings that came out of this... week’s group date. We also get their thoughts on Joey’s one-on-one with Kelsey A., including the moment she opens up about the heartbreaking loss of her mother. Plus, we hear their take on Maria’s vulnerability, Rachel’s one-on-one, and the explosive fight between Jess and Maria. Was Maria wrong for getting that extra time with Joey? Be sure to listen now and follow so you never miss an episode!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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And we are here to recap episode five.
I'm nervous to pronounce the name of the city that they were in in Spain.
Well, it's a city in Spain.
And Alicia, Spain is what we'll go with.
Yeah.
But before we get to Spain in this episode, before we get to southern Spain in this episode,
we begin the episode kicking off where we left off.
in Malta at the cocktail party before the rose ceremony because there's a whole bunch of drama unfolding.
Yeah, we talked about it last episode, but all the, the Leah is now inserted herself in the center of the drama with Maria.
And Maria wants this kind of over it.
But we get to the rose ceremony.
Yeah, I mean, we left last episode on Maria saying, you know, she wants to leave.
she's over it but starting this episode you know she's talked to lexie she's talked to medina and
i think she's kind of calmed down and be like been like no i'm not leaving i i didn't think she was
really going to leave i think she was just kind of pushed to a breaking point when it came to the
drama i can imagine the girls in the house are like oh my god can everyone just let this go
like sidney's gone lea can you please just let this go yeah it's like i said we talked about it but
it's just ridiculous.
Like,
it's so ridiculous.
This was like,
this is so fucking stupid.
Like,
why would you do this?
Like, just let it go.
Like,
you'd be upset that your friend
that you met five days ago
is going home,
like,
fine.
But, like,
the lead likes her.
Like,
he likes her.
He wants her to stay.
That's his decision.
Not yours.
Not Maria.
It's not the rest of the girls in the house.
Like,
respect his decision.
And if you don't,
send yourself home right period i mean jesus so then who ends up going home who doesn't get a rose
the two people they get sent home are adwina and alison like them both too like them both adwina actually
got like a little one-on-one extra time at the beginning of the seasons yeah but i guess the relationship
did not unfold and then alison our twin sister or not twin just sister is also gone we're really dwindling down
yeah it always happens happens quicker than you know it we have 14 15 no 14 girls left I think no
12 12 girls left it happens so fast it does it does all right well then they take off fly all the
way to Spain and they start off with a one-on-one date I feel like it always sucks I actually
don't think I ever had this happen I think every day on our season
was given through a date card but when they're traveling once in a while they'll have the lead like come meet all the girls and be like guess what i'm taking one of you on a date
and i feel like that sucks for the other girls and i think you always want to want you always want a one-on-one date
of course but to get the first one-on-one date in spain when you first get there it's a good one to get
oh definitely
I was like
this is the if you want
this is the first one
you're like this is
this is the one I want
why
you didn't want it
in Malta
no I would
I feel like
Spain's more romantic
it's given like
Vicky Christina Barcelona
vibes
it's it's
that we you could kind of like
yeah we started on
our love story
really started when we were in Spain
yeah
when I really
when I felt
the first connection was when we were in Spain
listening to the Spanish guitar
drinking Spanish wine
that's yeah and I feel like
yeah and then like Joey pulls up
in the Vespa and you're like this is the date
I want to be on
I mean yeah it sounds like it is the date
you want to be on Joe? Who does he give it to
who does he
who wants this date this week
Medina
Rachel or Joe
And he gives it to
Kelsey A, your girl.
Yep.
Of course he gives it to Kelsey
because he's thinking the way I'm thinking.
We're in Spain.
It's romantic.
And who do I feel the biggest romantic connection with?
Kelsey.
Kelsey A.
I felt bad for Kelsey T because they have the same name.
Well, Rachel said that.
I think it was Rachel's like,
oh, and you guys have the same name.
That sucks.
That sucks.
So then you're,
waiting for the last initial and you know, okay, it's between me and her. But no, alas,
it was not. She had a moment. She stepped away, shed a few tears. It's, it only gets harder.
You know, every week just gets harder. I feel like at this point, especially, like, feelings are
really picket up speed. But Joey is obsessed with Kelsey A. I feel like I have not seen him this
into someone yet, not even close. Truly. Yeah. Like, I was shocked. I was like,
What is going on in this date?
Like, I was not expect.
I knew they were into each other.
Like, I knew he liked her.
But, like, we just saw so much more of their time together.
Like, he was so affectionate with her.
Like, he was always touching her.
They were always, like, kissing and flirting.
And, like, he literally just seemed so giddy.
It's the Spanish vibes.
It's the Spanish vibes.
And he seems really comfortable.
Super comfortable.
Yeah.
Which, it's, you know, that mid-season point where I feel like the lead is now, like, more relaxed.
Yeah.
in general, like across the board, but he seems really comfortable with her.
I feel like, honestly, I feel like he's like, I think he might be further along than
she is on this date in terms of feelings until the end.
And then I feel like it's like kind of matched up.
But she almost seems more like hesitant.
Yeah, but I think that's kind of, I think that's a given.
Because there's so many other women.
There's so many other women.
There's a part of you that, like, unless you're completely, like, you're overly confident or you're just kind of blind to it.
It's almost, it's almost impossible to talk that away.
Like, there's a part of you that always has to be like, okay.
Yeah, like, he's into me, but, like, there's so many other women.
Yeah.
Like, he's into me, but what is he saying to everyone else?
Yeah.
But I think he really reassured her.
I think they're super freaking cute together.
Like when they were sitting in the field and it was like windy.
Yeah.
I was like, oh my God.
This is like so magical.
Yeah.
I think they really, I think he's really into her.
I think she's really into him.
And I don't think I like right now watching it.
I'm like she's going to be there at the end.
Like I would be definitely shocked.
I would be really shocked.
And then we go to the night portion.
The night portion.
Okay.
I feel like there's always one thing.
season that makes me cry.
You cried.
One is actually like a high number, like most of the time it's zero, but like, oh my God.
I couldn't stop crying.
I could not stop crying.
Like the way she was saying it, just, you know, for our listeners that maybe didn't watch
the episode, Kelsey opens up to Joey about, you know, her parents were in the military together
and her mom passed away 10 years ago of breast cancer.
she was diagnosed.
They said she had about six months
and she passed away
about two months later.
And just watching her tell it
and the way she was telling the story,
the story in itself,
I can't even imagine,
you know, losing my mom.
It is so heartbreaking,
especially that suddenly.
And then just her talking about,
you know,
she was so young.
Totally.
It's, yeah,
because she said it was 10 years ago.
Yeah.
And her talking about her dad
and, you know,
seeing butterflies as a symbol of her mom.
You're going to cry now.
You are going to cry now.
No, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, I mean, yeah, it's just, it's really, really
sad and, um, yeah, like you just really feel for it's heartbreaking and she, she's just
seems like a lovely person.
Yeah.
Like she's really nice.
She seems.
She just seems so genuine.
Yeah.
her telling the story like it didn't feel like I don't know like it just felt like she was
really so vulnerable and pouring her heart out and like in the most honest way like sharing her
story and like what she'd been through and like just shared it with like so much love for her mom
and like incorporating like her dad talking to her like yeah I don't know it was a really like
it's a really sad story but like it made me like as a viewer you feel so
much more connected to her as a person and like I feel like it also showcases who she is and why
she is the way she is really well yeah and in every season there's always a handful of people who
who just come across very authentic like you really and that and those are usually the people
that are there for the majority of the time but you you really feel as a viewer you really
feel like you they have let you into their life
Yeah, and who they are as a person.
And you feel much more connected to them.
And that's definitely what we got from that.
And you see Joey just like, yeah, like, yeah, it's honestly, like watching it, like, I'm like Joey's falling in love with this girl.
Absolutely.
And then at the end of the date, she says that she's falling in love with him.
Yeah.
And just.
But she doesn't say it to him.
No, she says it in her interview.
Yeah.
But yeah, it's just very sweet.
and romantic and I'm excited to see where their relationship goes because I think it's definitely
like a frontrunner at this point. Yeah. No, they could always look back and be like,
you remember our first date in Spain. There you go. There you go. Joe's dream. Unfortunately,
we do not have that. No. Well, we did go to Spain. We did go to Spain. Yeah, we did all the things.
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Okay. Moving on to the group date. They had like a painting activity. I feel like usually their dates like tie to where they are. I guess, you know, the creative parts of Spain in a way. But they had to paint a photo and then write a sentence to describe the photo that went with it. They had to present the photo and everyone like guess what the photo meant yada, yada, yada. And then they said like this is what my photo actually is.
I feel like Maria was poking the bear a little bit, putting her like two on one in her photo.
Yeah.
Just a little bit.
But like also.
Like she was like that's Sydney.
And I was like.
But also at this point, I feel like, like go for it.
Like poke the bear.
Like you're being fucked with.
It seems like.
Left right and center.
Yeah.
So like might as well have fun with it.
The one person that stuck out to me on this date, I feel like was Jen.
Jen?
Yeah.
Yeah, I think he really, I think he likes Jen.
He definitely does.
Yeah, she drew the yellow surfboard.
Yeah.
The little manatee.
Honestly, this was just a fun date.
Like, it was an easy activity for the most part.
Like, you don't have to be a good painter for it to be fun.
And they all went up there and described what their paintings were.
Who did that?
the half heart. Someone painted
like a half heart and he thought it
was an elephant. I was like dying.
Oh, Kelsey T. Oh, yeah.
I also don't know. Honestly, the
paintings that stuck out to me were
I remember Laez
because it was super pretty.
Marias did like the
before and after like that really
I thought it was good because it connected to their
relationship directly like what they'd been through
and where they're going. And then Kelsey
T. did the half heart which was pretty.
The person who got extra time was
was Jess.
She drew the engagement ring
and the wedding band.
Yeah.
It was super cute.
I just,
I don't,
I'm not seeing it with him and Jess.
Are you?
I'm not,
but I just,
I feel dumb saying that at this point
because she's gotten,
she kissed him on the first night,
she's gotten a group date row,
she's getting extra time now.
Like, I feel dumb continuously saying
I don't see the connection with them
because like there's obviously something there.
like there's obviously a connection like she like he's validating it yeah but I just don't see it but I just don't know what my problem is but do you see it no I don't see it but that just goes to show you we don't you don't really you just don't see everything but I see his connection with some of the other girls yeah well we don't see this one but it must be there it must be there it must be there um Leah has a little interview moment where she kind of like makes a snarky comment about Jess's painting and then you hear her say she's
She will never marry him, but one can be delusional.
Maria also kind of said something about Jess as well, right?
In an interview.
Did she?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think they were kind of all like kind of mocking her a little bit.
Okay.
So maybe they don't like Jess.
Yeah.
I can't keep up.
No one likes anyone this season.
So then we go into the night portion.
The night portion.
We see him talk to Kelsey T.
We see him talk to Jen.
And then we see him talk to Maria.
And I think we've talked about how.
you know, there's definitely sexual chemistry with him and Maria and he keeps being like,
you know, I want to get to know you more. I want you to like open up. And she kind of diverts to like
sexy, flirty, fun, kissy time. Yeah. Which that's great too. But this is the first time. I think
she's really been like, okay, fine. Like I'm going to open up to you and tell you my story.
Crazy story. Crazy story. Like I don't, I don't know what I was expecting. But I wasn't.
than that. No, truly no. Yeah, she talks about how her and her mom got into a really, really bad car accident when she was one. Yeah, she said she was basically pronounced dead at the scene. Her mom broke every bone in her body. I mean, I can't even, I truly can't even imagine. She's at like, I think a cement truck fell in their car. Yeah. Or a piece of cement. Um, so anyway, she's super vulnerable. Opens up about that. Kind of connects it back to why she is the way she is. Um,
in terms of her positivity and always try to make light of things and have fun and not take
life too seriously.
She also opens up about her mom and how her relationship with her mom was a little rocky.
Was little rocky.
Her mom hasn't always been able to be present in her life, but they're still working on it.
But she was excited for Maria to go on the show.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think, I think Maria's going to be around for a little bit longer at least.
Yeah, and this is why we're finally seeing another side.
It's nice to see another side of her.
It's nice to see a more serious side to her.
And to hear just like what she's been through in life
because she definitely, it's obvious she is someone
that's like always trying to find the fun in things.
Yeah.
And she ends up getting the group day rose, which.
Ruffles feathers.
Ruffles feathers.
Totally makes sense.
Yeah, she should have got it.
I think it's good Joey here for the rose.
Like if I open up about something that deeply personal
and then didn't get the rose.
get the rose yeah and he likes her likes her he's attracted to her like yeah he's like he's basically
validating like i really like you and thank you for sharing more with me and i want you to keep doing
that yeah um but obviously you know not everyone is totally thrilled no then we go to rachel's
one-on-one date which is a flamenco date dancing they're going to go dancing right she's excited
about that i like i mean rachel another
extremely likable person totally she um she's she comes she's very authentic she just she's just
she's one of those people that like kind of lights up the room when she walks in and she seems to
have really good energy with all the people in the house as well i agree yeah i feel like i've
seen her in a few different chats and she's always kind of like talking to someone different and
just having like positive yeah well she sounds smart yeah which which goes a long way yeah
she does seem smart and I just feel like this is a date that it's like kind of cheesy like he's in shorts and boots and they're dancing around and like for me I would go for like Kelsey A's date of like getting food and going for a picnic like that would be my choice a hundred times over the slimico date and I grew up dancing and I still would want to be married yeah that is why we're married we just want to eat food in the grass but she's such a good sport about it she's really really
like making Joey comfortable making it as much fun as possible even though like you can tell
he feels like a little dorky yeah um they have like their performance and it's cute whatever it's
fun i think they like i think he likes her yeah i think he likes her too i feel like she'd be like
she'd be very hard to not like like like i can't imagine anyone not liking her yeah but she's she's
another like i don't i definitely saw more chemistry with him and kelsey definitely but i would
say but I would say calcium also had just more of a romantic date yeah like they're throwing
freaking coins in a fountain making a wish like that's to me way more romantic than flamenco dancing
yeah and I would and but I do think I think Rachel's going to be there for a while I think so too
I feel like they've had another like good slow build to like they're one-on-one and they're definitely
only so much closer now and at this point of the show if you get a one-on-one that's assurance that
he's into you.
Yes, but it does get to a point where it's like,
all right, I haven't had, like, this person hasn't had a one-on-one, like,
it does get to a point where, like, people start getting one-on-ones and getting sent home on
their 101.
Well, yeah.
We're not there yet, but I think we're getting close to it.
Yeah.
You think someone's going to get sent home on a one-on-one?
Eventually, yeah, maybe in the next week.
I feel like they haven't done that in a while.
Really?
I'm trying to think.
Did Zach not send anyone home on a 101?
I don't remember.
I don't remember either.
I don't remember.
But it does happen.
It does happen.
And usually it's like a week or two before hometowns.
I feel like when things start getting serious and the lead starts to be like, I really like you, but like not ready to meet your family.
The connection is not there.
Yeah.
She opens up about nursing and just what it's like to date someone who's in the nursing field, which honestly was interesting because we've had Zach and Katie on this podcast.
And she was talking about that as well of like the emotional drain it has, the hours.
Sometimes she comes home and she's in a bad move.
or she's tired and she just doesn't have any like emotional energy for her partner and like
that's like that's like real stuff to be talking about you know what I mean like that's things that
will truly impact their relationship and their dynamic and their life the minute they leave
the show together if they leave together so well it's a very it's a very intense profession totally
and that that takes like that it's going to play a part in the relationship or at least the
But she's definitely thinking about, like, life with Joey outside of the show if she's bringing that up.
Okay.
Roe ceremony.
Last but not least.
Rose ceremony.
Here we go.
They showed him talking to so many girls.
I usually write down who they show.
Daisy, Jen, Kelsey T. Autumn, Caitlin, Maria.
Okay.
But now we have, say, what, where the drama is and what we could talk about is we see.
we see
Maria
go talk to Joey
we see Jess
get upset
and it's kind of like
like how do we feel about this
I don't
I don't know
because I have an opinion
I would like to hear your opinion
first because Maria comes back
sits down
are you talking about
Jess being upset
or are you talking about the interaction
between Maria and Jess
I'm talking about
just being upset
okay and Jess is upset
because Maria
already has a rose which just to be clear she didn't have a one-on-one it was a group date rose so she hasn't had like more time than anyone else really at this point but she is safe she does have the rose yeah and and i i think just because like
like every like not everyone gets the same amount of time because the lead chooses to spend more time with others but if but you still as a whole you don't
get that much time with him.
So regardless if you have a rose or not and you have an opportunity to talk to the lead
and to hang out with them for five, ten minutes, you take it regardless if you have a rose
or not, right?
A hundred percent.
And it shouldn't be, oh, no, I'm safe this week because the lead may look at that as like,
oh, once she has a rose, she doesn't care.
Yeah, she's not putting any effort.
And I just feel like it's, I feel like, I mean, it's coming across as jealousy.
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If I'm Maria and I get the opportunity to go talk to Joey for a little bit at this cocktail party,
there's no way
I'm gonna and I'm not gonna go out of my way
to steal time from someone who hasn't had it
but like if the opportunity presents stuff
where it's like hey you can have five to ten minutes
with Joey or Joey wants to talk to me
or whatever it is I'm not gonna say
no no no I am okay
thank you I do not wish to speak to him tonight
he hasn't talked to Jess
you should go grab her instead
yeah like there's no way
because at the end of the day like you already get
so little time and Maria and him
just went through a big thing
every minute counts
I would
I think Jess is in her own head
about her relationship with Joey
I think she's kind of been on this like
roller coaster of feeling good feeling not good
we've seen it like for a few weeks now a bit
and I think she doesn't like Maria
it seems like either there's quite a few girls in this
that don't like Maria it really looked like it was
only Sydney for a while there but
there's definitely a group of them
and I think if it was someone else
she might have let it slide
but I think she doesn't like Maria
I think she's panicking about her relationship
And I don't really fault Maria for talking to Joey at all
To be honest
Like just because you have a rose does not mean that you don't have a right
To speak to the lead until the following week
It just doesn't
Yeah and then yeah I yeah I know we're on the same page
And I don't I just I don't think
And again it's not like she had a one-on-one
So it is different
Even if she even if she did have a one-on-one-one-wilter
I falter I falter even less
Because it's like she got the same amount of
time everyone else did on their group date and Jess was on the group date and Jess got extra time
because she got that special time with like the painting thing and that we see Jess confront Maria
which like Maria is definitely well equipped to take on a confrontation definitely
Maria has handled every confrontation very well and this one is no different I
feel like she's someone if you're going to go at her you're going to go up against her like you
better be prepared because she is not someone that's going to back down yeah and then you you see
just kind of like not she really snapped at just though yeah and then you see just kind of like that's what
i'm saying like if you're you you have if you're going to go up against like i think that's the
madest i've seen maria yeah like the sharpest i've seen her with one of the other girls and you kind
have to be yeah like you have to be prepared and then you see just call her a bitch as she's walking
away um then it's kind of like all right yeah it's definitely the most Sydney and maria had some like
really long like aggressive fights but like that was the most heated fight I've seen yet this season even
though it was super short like the two of them went at each other like hot for two seconds and then like
just walked away yeah so that was interesting to me and again it's it's the same like I feel like
yeah Leah and Jess that's like the attitude of like we need Maria out of this house
but now now you're never gonna you're never gonna be there at the end because you're
focusing on the wrong thing yeah we see Lexi say that she thinks that Jess is a little bit
jealous of Maria yeah and like at the time she's getting with Joey the reassurance
she's getting with Joey with these roses well we'll ask we'll ask Lexi that too
because she's coming on the podcast so we'll definitely get more into that
nice nice okay well we oh the season the episode did end with the super tease which we always get midseason like the big teaser for what's to come yeah
which it looks good it looks juicy it's funny because the beginning of the season I remember we said like it doesn't look like there's that much drama like it looks really romance heavy there's been like a lot of drama this season with like not really any end in sight because like I feel like as long as lea jess and maria are all still there things aren't about to calm down anytime soon yeah
I'm curious. I think everyone now is just kind of like what, what's going to happen with Maria?
Yeah, truly.
Where's this going to go? Where's this story going?
Yeah, I mean, you know, you see. Yeah, we'll see.
We will see.
Okay. And then we have two people that do not get roses.
And it's autumn, who's, you know, seems so sweet.
and you just probably didn't have a connection with the lead.
But I could see her being someone that they cast for Paradise.
Yeah, she's the first person in my top four predictions that is now gone.
But she seemed really sweet.
Yeah, I think there just wasn't a romantic connection with her and Joey,
but I wouldn't be surprised if she's in Paradise.
And then we also said goodbye to Medina,
who's another person I could see in Paradise as well.
Yeah, me too.
Because she seems like she's ready for a commitment and a relationship.
And she's really pretty.
Yeah.
And I feel like she, yeah, it was a little bit of a rough goal with all this.
Like she said, she said one thing that she probably regret saying in that.
And that one comment that she made started like it was the beginning of all this drama.
Truly.
And I just think she got the short end of the stick because, yeah, her one comment dragged her into something she didn't want to be involved in it seemed like for like weeks.
But I also think had she not said that comment, the drama, we should.
between Sydney and Maria would have unfolded
some other way. Yeah. It would
have probably made more sense too.
Hopefully. Oh my God.
Yeah. So that's, yeah, that's it.
Now we're down to 10 people.
Dwindle them down. Okay.
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