Bachelor Happy Hour - Mel’s Hot and Cold Fantasy Suites | Happy Hour

Episode Date: November 6, 2025

Today on “Happy Hour,” we’re unpacking last night’s Fantasy Suites episode of “The Golden Bachelor”! Mel is officially down to his final two women and there is a lot to discuss. We kick things off by chatting through Peg’s one-on-one time with Mel: What went down during overnights?! We see Mel blushing and giddy like never before and we think there’s some major chemistry there. Then, we dive into Cindy’s time with Mel and unpack the major cliffhanger we end on. What does this mean for their future? Tune in now to hear our thoughts on this and so much more, and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey everyone. Welcome back to Bet Your Happy. I'm Joe. And I'm Serena. And we are here with another recap. We're in a recap. Fantasy Suites. Let's do it. Yeah. They're in Antigua this week, which looks beautiful. I mean, we haven't traveled all season. So it's kind of nice to shake it up and get a new location, a new vibe in. I also just feel like when they go to these tropical places, everyone's like a little more relaxed, a little more romantic. tick so it's a good setting for fantasy sweets yeah i kind of wish we would start the episode instead of starting the episode off with mel jesse b-roll like let's let's actually start it off with the women in antigua and see what they're doing let's go like have a little walk let's like take a walk around the block with them see the sights a little bit have them talk about how they're feeling

yeah i like that idea and then like cut back you know because i'm just like i don't need to watch 10 minutes of what the fuck went down this whole season. Oh, like the long recap that they did. Yeah, I don't need the recap. I don't need the Jesse Mel talk quite yet. Like I want to see these women. I want to see their excitement. I want to know how they feel. I like that suggestion. I feel like even just

like Jesse on the beach with Peg being like, so walk us through your journey. Like let's do a little 10 minute chat, you know? How are you feeling? What are you looking for this weekend? I know we get a little bit of that in their interviews, but I feel like going into depth more about that is more meaningful to me at this point than going back and seeing kind of like a montage of their journey. Like this season's not that long.

I know what happened week one. And send the send Peg and Cindy out on a walk together. Let them talk. Oh, juicy. I love that. Yeah. Like let's let's talk it out. How are you guys feeling right now?

Yeah, fair. I'm into that suggestion. Thank you. We start off with Pegg. She's the first date of the episode and they do a dune buggy date. What did you think? I thought it was fun. I feel like, you know, dune buggy dates.

We see them every season. Peg is definitely like an adventurous risk taker. I mean, she was on the bomb squad. Like, I feel like she's got to have a bit of adrenaline junkie in her. Yeah, I, I tap out when I see a dune buggy. I see a helicopter. I see jumping in the ocean with stingrays. A boat.

Any sort of boat. I, nothing's going to happen. that I'm going to be like, okay, this is a big moment. Like, it, I was going to say monumental, but I'm like, that's totally the wrong word. No, I know you mean. I have more interested, I have more interest in the dinner night portion and just like that conversation opposed to like dune buggy. Well, in all the seasons, there's been one million dune buggy dates. I don't think anything's ever really, like, gone down on a dune buggy.

Yeah. You know, like, it's a visual cue to me that, like, they're going to ride around. One person's going to drive slow. One person's going to drive fast. They're both going to talk about that in their interviews. And then they'll sit down and have a chat and talk about the dune buggy. Yeah, exactly. It's going to be like, you know, pegs, I'm driving fast.

Mel drives slow. But what do you think that that revealed about maybe their personalities, their relationship, their compatibility? Nothing. Really? Yeah. I don't think that's, it would be different if Peg was like fucking doing 360s and flying around and on top. And you were like, whoa, she's an adrenaline junkie.

Like this, she is like exports like this is what I love. But she's just driving a little fast on a dune buggy. Okay. So it's not that they're, they're not that much different. Yeah, that's fair. Like it's not going to be a deal breaker that she likes to drive fast and he likes to drive slow. So Pegg says she's worried that Mel might be emotionally unavailable because he deflects a lot when she asks him more personal in-depth questions, which I think is something we've really seen from him with all the women all season. I wonder if that's something that they as a group have talked about.

Do you know what I mean? Like I wonder if the women have earlier on, probably not later into the journey, been like he kind of deflects a lot. I'm trying to get stuff out of him and he's not really saying a lot or I wonder if they're usually very caught up in the beginning of being like I want him to get to know me that it is just something that they're now realizing like huh like I'm not I don't really know him yeah I think it's I think it happens more down the road with like the women that have spent more time with them and then they could start like recapping the time they spent and like okay this he's doing this and yada yada yeah yeah so the dinner portion happens and i will say like

mel does give her like such undivided attention like he is both eyes on her locked into what she's saying asking follow-up questions it's more just when like the tables turn on to him i feel like he kind of freezes up but i do feel like he was the most vocal about his feelings that i've seen him this whole season with Peg. Like, I think his conversation with Jesse was important where Jesse was like, you don't have to say, I love you, but you can still say, like, I love this about you and this is how you make me feel. I think it's important that he does.

And I was glad that he did. I think Mel is the type of guy where if him and Pegg at this point in the show were off camera and they were having a bottle of wine and they were relaxing I think he's going to talk a lot yeah about his feelings his emotions he's probably thrown out I love you's like I just think Mel is very aware of the situation he is in and he's not going to let them what you're okay your eyes are really bugging out I just yawned but I tried to hold it then I'm like Jesus you should I was trying to swallow my yon. Sorry.

So, yeah, that's kind of what I think. The morning after, oh my God, I feel like such a tone switch. I was like, whoa, you guys definitely got a little freaky last night. We saw a different side of Mel. That was the first time. He was giggling. Oh, my gosh, she was blushing. I was like, this is so cute.

What happened last night? I feel like Mel was so giddy. He was so relaxed. He's like in his jeans, laying on the. bed shirtless like even though but I feel like he did say during the uh dune buggy date like he was talking about peg and he was like there was definitely like a sexual attraction yeah that I feel like he hasn't really expressed yeah he was like you know like her sweaty and her hair all over the place no but it was cute yeah but he's like that she's my type yeah he was

like I'm into her I'm sexually attracted to her like she looks beautiful she looks great her curly hair like he's definitely attracted to her and I was like okay that's important and I think that's great I mean she's beautiful for sure but I I'm always just looking for more out of Mel so just hearing that I was like okay you really like her and then just seeing how they were in the morning I was like this is the most relaxed and soft I've seen either Peg or Mel like I both seem really happy I thought it was going to be Debbie yeah but I really after Mel's conversation with Peg's daughter and him choosing Peg was a massive like was the sign of like I'm really in the back because she was like her daughter which like good for her was kind of like I don't know if I fucking trust you I don't know if I like what you're saying yeah I'm kind of like this is I I'm calling bullshit and he didn't like and he was well if there was a time to send Peg home. If it wasn't going to be heard, that would have been the weekend.

He would have sent her home. I think he would have been like, this daughter is catching wind that I'm maybe not that into her mom. Time to go, Peg. Yeah. So the fact that he kept her that week is just a show of dedication to her, in my opinion. I agree. That's what I think. But, yeah, it was cute seeing them in the morning.

Yeah, just like, I feel like it was all good. Like 10 out of 10, fantasy sweet date. Nothing really seemed to go wrong. They had like in-depth conversations at night. I think they had a great fantasy suite, whatever that means. And the morning, everything's good. Like, no complaints. A plus.

A plus. Make sense why that was shown first. Makes sense why that was shown first. Definitely not as juicy as Cindy's. Even though I would say Cindy and Pegg both went into their dates feeling kind of the same. Like they both expressed they wanted to get more out of Mel in terms of how he's feeling and where he's at. Yeah.

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You never will? I have no desire unless somebody's going to pay me. I'll do it for money. Just throw that out. there in case any brand dealers are affiliated with stingrays. I will do it for money, but I will never do it for fun. What about it does not appeal to you? I just I just wouldn't want it. Like I don't, nothing appeals to me. Like I don't care to go underwater with goggles and look at fish. Yeah, you're not really a water adventure guy. No. I mean, I enjoyed like

surf lessons like that's fine i enjoy like like somewhat of like a water sport sport workout but like you don't want to interact with the creatures of the sea zero interaction with them yeah let them do the let them do their thing i did swimming at the stingrays one time i don't remember how old i was not not that old i want to say i was maybe like 10 or 11 um it i am someone that's very comfortable in the water and i remember it took me like 15 20 minutes like get in the water because they were like you have to keep your feet planted on the ground because if you don't they will potentially swim under you and if you like step on one of them you're going to potentially anger one and as a small child I was like well one big wave could be a game changer for

me and my feet on the ground versus off the ground well I thought they how how I thought that this was like in the middle of the ocean we're like fucking 30 feet deep how deep is this no you can stand oh you I didn't know they could they were standing oh I wasn't I was zoned out okay well I told you I told you you know those dates I kind of zone out well you can see Cindy was like super into it but I

can I sympathize with Mel's hesitation honestly because those things are big and they're kind of scary and they look like dinosaurs yeah like I don't need to be in the middle of the ocean I don't need to be on a 40 foot fucking cliff like I don't need to I don't like heights nope I don't need to be in the middle of the ocean I don't need to be like you know

like a safari you know i don't no thank you you're a city boy well it's because animals whether or not we want to admit this or not are are unpredictable yes you know like i love dogs but like that's it like i don't need to like be like oh let's go look at the lions like no fucking thank you because what's going to happen when one of the if if all of a sudden you know 10 of them roll up on you you're done you're dead yeah probably and it's not going to going to be like a nice death like it's a it's awful but these people do this for livi i mean you heard the guy say he's been doing it for 25 years no one ever been stung before sure but they also they also like you you're going to tell me like if if 10 of those stingrays get together and they're like

attack those guys have been doing it forever are going to know how to handle that situation there's no way they're going to freak out too they're going to they're going to run they're going to swim away and I'm going to get a thousand stingrays in me for what so I could have had a so I had a nice 10 minutes on their water looking at them I'll watch it on the YouTube you really just said like your dad when you said that you'd watch it on YouTube I will okay so no stingrays for Joe and Mal Cindy and I will take charge of the stingrays commend I commend Mal for giving it a try and I commend Cindy for you know being patient and kind of trying to ease his nerves and make him as comfortable as possible. I think that's all you can do in that situation with your partner, frankly, is do your best to make them feel comfortable, supported. I think it's good to push your partner a little bit outside their comfort zone. But I also don't think Mel, again, needs to, like, live for swimming at the stingrays for their relationship to work. So, like, if he doesn't want to do it,

like, no shade to him. Like, I'm all for people saying, like, I know I'm on a show, and I know this is the date activity that I've been told I have to do today, but I don't want to do it. So I'm not going to yeah i mean like if that was you and i i would have looked at you before we went in the water and have been like just so you know i don't want to do this and since we are doing this it's every man from themselves in there we're not going to be having conversation like i'm in there i'm surviving i'm surviving on my own i'm in there i'm paying attention to what's happening i'm going to get back up we're going to get on this boat it's i'm going to be nauseous because we're in the middle of the ocean and hopefully we have a good dinner yeah fingers crossed you have a good

dinner. Well, they didn't have a great dinner, unfortunately. It seemed like it wasn't a bad dinner, but it was definitely, it was more serious. The tone of the evening was definitely more serious. We end up on a cliffhager. Mistake. What do you mean a mistake? I think it's a mistake. What do you think is a mistake? Sid, Cindy, Cindy, Cindy's approach to dinner, in my opinion, is a mistake. I understand what she's doing, and I get it. But if she really wanted to be with Mel, I just think, why not wait until the cameras are off in the fantasy suites where you could really push them and actually get a real answer? Yeah. And I mean, maybe they'll head to fantasy suites and have a more in-depth conversation.

I have no problem with Cindy pushing Mel. I don't think that's a problem. I think at this point she has every right to do so. And I think that if that's truly her person, like there's nothing she can say in terms, I mean, obviously she's going about this in like the most considerate respectful manner in terms of asking important questions. So like there is nothing she can say in my opinion in this fashion that is going to like change his mind about her, push him away from her if that is truly the person she's meant to be with. So I'm all for her asking the hard questions. But I do agree with you. Like you're this close to fantasy sweets.

It's like you're right there. If you're going to get the most open and honest answers from him, it's going to be in the fantasy suites. So I think it's okay to like maybe tee up that conversation. But I think now is the time to wait until the cameras are gone. And then if the conversation doesn't go the way you want, then there you go. But you're going to miss a large portion of the information you could have gotten by doing this with him on camera based on how he has responded. on camera in the past yeah and i think his response his response to me it was very much like your your second you're you're in second place you think yeah that's that's how it reads to me

he's really i don't know if i got that um yeah i do i i'm i'm picking that up because i just feel like um i feel like if peg came at him the same way there would have been a little more there would have been a little more like don't freak out like it's going to be okay reassure it yeah yeah yeah and to me I feel like he's kind of like in a way like yeah I'm not I'm not choosing you well I think they both feel the same which is that they're on two separate pages like I think that Mal feels like Cindy is way ahead of him emotionally and way more comfortable taking a serious step forward in their relationship. And I think Cindy feels that too.

I think she's like, I'm way ahead of you emotionally and I'm way more comfortable taking a serious step. So they're just in two different places. I don't feel that Peg and him are necessarily in two different places as much as I think that Peg wants a little bit more out of him. I think she's looking for less than Cindy is right now. Cindy kind of calls him out and says, you don't have, she says, you don't really have any questions for me.

So like what's holding you back? how do you feel about me like i think cindy's like let's get to that point and if you need to you need time and information to get to that point like ask me some questions like let me help you that's never good in a really like if you're about to take like the next step in a relationship and your partner's well you really have any questions for me and then like there's no question yeah followed up with that you're kind of like okay or maybe he just thought you don't you don't care but maybe he did have questions for and he's just like i don't want to ask these right now.

Like, let's wrap this up so I can read the fantasy suite card so we can go talk off camera. You know, like I think the leads specifically, and a lot of times the contestants go into that date being like, well, I'm going to save the good stuff for when we're in the fantasy suites because this is the date we've all been waiting for where we can really get into it and be 100% honest with each other. They need a producer in there like, yo, yo, open up. Oh, Timel? Yeah, speak.

Tell it, say exactly how you feel right now. and walk off and walk off camera because we are definitely not like, yeah, like, I want him to, like, be brutally honest at this point. I think he has being brutally honest if I'm being. Yeah. I think he is. I think he's basically saying I'm not in love with you and I don't know if I'm going to propose and I don't know if I'm ready to propose.

He keeps kind of like these things take time, right? Yes. But you know what was really interesting to me is, and I don't know if maybe this was said and we just missed. it. But a big part of Cindy and Mel's conversation was the fact that Mel took a really long time to get married when he was married the first time. And she was like, I know it took you a long time. And I know you spent a lot of time thinking about it because you wanted to be 100% sure. And sure, you were, but you still ended up divorced. So like, why do you need that this time around?

Like, there's always going to be that risk, which, you know, I can see both sides of that argument. But he also, and he also said, like, yeah, I ended up divorced, but we were still together for 25 years. I want to know how long it took Mel to get married. Like, is this, are we talking two to three years? Are we talking like 10 to 15 years? And how old was he when he got married? Like, I, I want to know more about that. I also want to know why the heck he got divorced.

Like, I need to know these things. On the latest episode of next question with me, Katie, Kirk. I sat down with Bernie Sanders, who is 84 years old, has spent 34 years in Congress, and he can still pack a rally with people a quarter of his age. Denver, 34,000 people come out. Salt Lake City, 20,000 people are huge turnouts. People are really dissatisfied about the status quo. His fighting oligarchy tour with AOC and other young progressives has become a movement, but is his message too far to the left while he he certainly doesn't think so.

Is that sound like a radical idea, Katie? Is that too far left for you? Okay, okay. I get your point, Bernie. We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living, and of course, the government shut down, not to mention the current state of the Democratic Party. To me, the failure of the Democratic Party

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a double board certified physician. And I'm Hurricane Dabolu, a comedian and someone who once Googled, Do I have scurvy at 3 a.m? On Health Stuff, we're talking about health in a different way. It's not only about what we can do to improve our health,

but also what our health says about us and the way we're living. Like our episode where we look at diabetes. In the United States, I mean, 50% of Americans are pre-diabetic. How preventable is type 2? Extremely. Or our in-depth analysis of how incredible mangoes are. Oh, it's hard to explain to the rest of the world that, like, your mangoes are fine because

mangoes are incredible, but like, you don't even know. You don't know. You don't know. It's going to be a fun ride. So tune in. Listen to Health Stuff on the IHeart Radio. Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All I know is what I've been told, and that's a half-truth is a whole lie.

For almost a decade, the murder of an 18-year-old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved, until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story. I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her. We know. A story that law enforcement used to convict six people, and that got the citizen investigator on national TV. Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran. My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, producer, and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find. I did not know her and I did not kill her Or rape or burn or any of that other stuff that y'all said it

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Well, then why did they get divorced? Well, it doesn't always, you know, 25 years is a long time to be with someone. they were just like, I can't stand you anymore. This was enough. You know, we had our expiry date and it's now. So, yeah, but like, so we don't know. Like, there is no yes or no to my question. Is your question, like, is there an objective, clear answer to what a successful marriage looks like versus a non-successful marriage?

If a marriage ends in divorce. Yeah. No matter the situation, is it, was it successful or not successful? If we stamp it, if it's a big binder, you know, Joe and Serena's marriage, at the end of our lives, if we're divorced, is that stamped unsuccessful or successful? My personal answer is that it's nuanced and there's not like a yes or no, but I think most people would say unsuccessful. I think if you're just trying to like simplify it to a successful or unsuccessful, if the marriage ends. I think most people would say it gets stamped unsuccessful. But I think that's such a cynical

way of looking at it. What if we, what if we were married for one year and got divorced, but eight months were great and then the last four? Well, why did the last four go so south? I don't know, but is that success or unsuccessful? I think that's probably unsuccess. You know, like that's only a year. That's pretty quick.

You know, it's because when that happens, you're like looking at it being like, well, maybe we shouldn't have gotten married in the first place. I think I think you have to. I think in order for it to be labeled a success by these people that are stamping the binder, it has to be, I think, I think minimum 10 years. Okay. Anything under 10 years is a failure of a marriage?

10 years is a long time, though. If it ends in divorce. So that's what I'm saying. So like if we were married for five years and we got divorced, maybe our relationship, but like our marriage is kind of unsuccessful. you know i guess i guess i mean it's it's a dark question you're posing yeah but i guess i mean there's going to eventually be a time where i think marriage may become obsolete you think yeah well less and less people are getting married and having children yeah i think we're trending that

way already i mean i don't think it's i don't think it's going to be in our time but i do think i do think eventually you you probably won't see marriages i think that the incentive for people that aren't religious and believe in the construct of marriage as like a holy act um i don't know if that's the right phrasing but you got what i'm saying um i think the motivation is taxes you don't save that much you don't think no i guess then like custody of children i don't know yeah i'm sure marriage plays a role in that well i guess marriage plays a role in children with children yeah going back going back to the bachelor circling back circling back um okay what do you think of Cindy and Mel's conversation and where do you think that this is heading I mean the way it ends

their conversation it was very bleak I it really just seemed like they were both not happy with each other and not happy with the situation and I feel like it's well it's also harder because you're texting right now no I'm not I'm trying to find this is becoming an unsuccessful marriage I'm trying to find I'll tell you what I'm doing as much as I am listening to I'm trying to find what our predictions were

this is what I will say I right now after watching that I would be so shocked so shocked if he picks Cindy really yeah I just don't think it's going to happen now unless unless we were left on a cliffhanger and the whole conversation is about the shift. Do you think that this conversation made up his mind potentially?

Or do you think that he's always kind of known it's potentially going to be pegged? Because I have felt him to be quite torn in his decision making. I've gone back and forth. Like I'm not sure if Mel knows what he's going to do yet. I think it was, I think it's been pegged for a long time. yeah it's been pegged for a long time okay and i think cindy has been his number two for a long time interesting okay that's what i think well i'm curious to see how this unfolds um so we have our our predictions that we make at the beginning

of the season we make these predictions before the first episode errors right i think what we did was we each picked three from the cast photos and then we each picked one one after the first episode. So off of the cast photos, Joe had picked Nicole. Great pick. Thank you. Mylene, who I think went home pretty quick. Roxanne, who also went home pretty quick.

And then your pick after night one was Peg. Nice. And then for me, off of cast photos, I had Debbie, Carol, Jerry. So all my girls did pretty well, actually. And my pick after night one was Cindy. Wow. which is wild we each after night one picked the final two yeah you really need that night one well yeah going off of the headshots in the bios i mean you're straight up just guessing

night one gives you so much more to go off of but like still i'm impressed that each of us picked the final two yeah yeah yeah i'm impressed too we've we've we've officially watched the show way too many times truly honestly like if you want to know who's going to be at the end just listen to our predictions yeah we're probably right i think you think you'll be able to because she's you know not part of the franchise she's coming from a different show do you think we're going to be able to figure it out with taylor frankie paul i think that'll be harder i think it'll be harder i think it'll be harder because we don't know like when they have we have a lot more information on her if you watch the Mormon wife's or whatever. That's true. That's true, actually. You know what it is?

The prediction comes from us having watched an episode one so many times that something in the edit is cluing us that this person's going far. We just don't even know it. Oh, I know it. No, I'm saying like it's like it's like second nature for us to pick up on some of the things. I don't even realize I'm picking up on. You know what I mean? Like obviously we read into something that they were trying to tell us. Okay. I think. think that's basically, basically a recap. I mean, honestly, there's only two women. So, you know, there's not much more we can even talk about.

Yeah, I think the big episodes coming up. It's the finale. We're going to see how this conversation with Cindy unfolds. Looks like Jesse and Mel have a conversation. Peg and Mel have a conversation. If things go well, if someone, if not both of them, are going to be meeting his family. So that'll be exciting to see. his sons come into play. I'm excited to see him interact with his sons. That'll be good.

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