Bachelor Happy Hour - Michael A. Is a Zaddy

Episode Date: October 5, 2022

This week on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” we’re celebrating a “hot zaddy summer” as Michael A. stops by to talk all things “Bachelor in Paradise.” In their conversation, Michael opens up about who he was initially hoping to see in Mexico, his thoughts on “Paradise’s” “youthful” energy, and ultimately why he decided to head to the beach in the pursuit of love.    Plus, he shares his opinion on some of the drama that has rocked the beach so far and more about how his conversations with James helped him feel good about his decision to go to “Paradise.”  Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to the new season of Dresses Come Again on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome back. Happy Hour listeners. I'm Becca Kuprin. And I'm Michelle Young. And we are back with you again this week to talk about everything that went down in two episodes of this week in Bachelor in Paradise. Yes. We do have a lot to cover this week.

I'm very happy to be back with you, Becca, as always, because this week we're talking to Bachelor Nation Gem and self-proclaimed old guy on the beach. Michael A. I love that. He proclaims himself that because I feel like that was me last year on Paradise. But yeah, I'm so excited to have Michael on. We talked with him during Katie's season, which was, man, a year and a half ago now. But I want to get the scoop on his relationship with Sierra so far.

We saw that pop off this week. And from the looks of it, it seems like they're right now one of the strongest couples on the island. So, wait, it's not even an island. It's Mexico. Man. On the beach. On the beach. But we'll have him on very shortly.

But before that, Michelle, you have been traveling around. You are currently in Minnesota right now. You were at IHeart last week, which looks so fun. And, like, just catch us up on all of your travel and adventures. So much fun. Yeah. I was able to, so, like, I feel like I was kind of finally getting settled in L.A. And then, of course, had to take off.

And I went to IHeart. It was in Vegas. We were so busy. But it was just, it was so much fun to see so many artists perform. And I feel like it was kind of, like, a trip down memory lane. Like, it was super nostalgic because I had to listen to, like, Aver Levine. Like, do you remember your Avalovine days? Oh, I was just listening to Skater Boy in the car last night.

Yes, exactly. So, like, that just like fulfills a certain part of your just, I don't know, childhood growing up. And then I was able to do a little bit of hosting, which was super awesome. And the best part is that while we were filming, we were filming at the, like, the T-Mobile arena. And it was when all, like, the bands were doing their, um, um like covers like perform warming up and all those things like playing through their sets yeah and sam smith played his entire set and he played his new song unholy and so literally got to sit there and listen to it like it had gotten released the day before and it was like the first time

he's going to be performing it live and i got to hear it before like anyone else it was so cool that's awesome so so so cool so yeah there was a lot of fun things you know a lot of tic talks a lot of Bachelor Nation alum that were there. And so it was good. And then headed back to Minnesota for a little bit, pop back to L.A. for some events and now back in Minnesota. So I'm tired. Oh, I can imagine.

I'm tired just hearing about all of these travels. I want to ask you really quick, though, because I saw, you mentioned the TikToks. You mentioned the Bachelor Nation alumni that were all at Eyeheart. I loved the ones with you and Rachel. I loved watching your stories. how is she doing after everything? I know, I'm sure, like, she's still in the midst of all of this

and it still is probably very crazy, but now she's a bit removed and can focus on the future. So did she have fun? Was she doing well? I would say, I mean, she's doing about as good as somebody could, like in that position.

I mean, do you remember when you're going through this entire Bachelor experience, and it's like a year-long experience or like a two-year-long. experience before you slow down because you typically go on as a contestant and then you move into becoming a lead and you're going through like the pre-press and then your season and filming and then you're airing and then posts and all this different stuff and you know like that moment where everything happens and then everything finally is done and you you it all catches up to you like

you're just emotionally exhausted even on like even if you end up with the best case scenario you're exhausted and so yeah she had literally gone from AFR and And, you know, going through that entire, like, announcing how everything went down with Tino. And then she hopped on a plane with Gabby to go to New York to do her press week. And then from there, she went to Vegas. And so it was nice to see her and spend so much time with her. And then, you know, I took a picture because there's this point of the night where she was just knocked out on the bus as we're heading to the concert with, like, a red bull in her hand. And she's just, like, exhausted.

And your heart just is like, oh, because you remember that. And, you know, she's going through a breakup on top of all of that. Right. So she's doing, she's doing well. Like, she's holding her ground and everything. I think she's just trying to kind of get her footing back. And, you know, I know she was home in Florida for a little bit to spend time with her family and got to go to a wedding in Chicago recently. So she's, she's starting to come back from it and re-energize and things like that.

It's just, you're exhausted. Oh, yeah. I can't, I mean, like, I would never do this again just for. that reason. Like it's just, it's so draining. And it's such like a jarring situation to go from being on the franchise schedule to constant press, constant appearances, whatever it might be, then to like nothing kind of. And not that I heard was nothing, but it was like more of her free time, but that is still so exhausting in itself that we're going to plan a girls night in L.A. very soon. We got to get around just get some one. Absolutely. I'm like, you need to go.

sleep for a week straight and then call me when you wake up yeah yeah we got you so be a little yeah it's been busy busy busy but enough about me and of course always checking with rachel but how have you been what have you been up to are you how's everything going in san diego i know that you've been at a wedding recently like a best friend's wedding yeah we've been all over the place these past two weeks we've been traveling we had two weddings um up in one was a up in Santa Barbara. Then we went back to Minnesota. We went to my friend's reception. And then I was able to spend some time in Minnesota and Wisconsin with my family, which was so nice, so needed. My sister, she has a three-year-old. Her daughter just turned three and she is wild. But then she

just had a baby. I might have mentioned this. Her baby's like two weeks old. So we went back and just spent time with the kiddos and just, I swear, I held him for like three, fours of them. the time. I just didn't even want to put him down because I was like, I'm only here for four days. I want to soak in all this baby time. But it was so good to be back with the family. And I mean, you know, because you're in Minnesota right now, like there's nothing like the Midwest in the fall when it kind of gets cold and crisp and the leaves start to change. It's just beautiful. So we did all of the fall things. We went apple picking, took walks outside. We collected leaves. It was just, it was such a blast. So it was really good to reset. And then we came back to San Diego. And,

back to work, working on some projects, planning more events for Bordeaux. So, yeah, it's been good. I do have to say, because we were talking about eye heart and music and all the cool concerts, there was a festival in San Diego this past, well, not San Diego, in Orange County this past weekend. And I was able to see Stevie Nix once again, and she is my absolute favorite. And I saw her in 2017, literally right before I left to go on the Bachelor. And so to be able to see her again and now bring Thomas there, it was so special. I felt like so nostalgic watching her and hearing all the songs and just remembering the first time I saw her. But it was incredible. I am such a huge fan of her. And she is 74.

Still sounds incredible. She can, I'm like, the energy that it takes to be on stage and perform is one thing. But like, she does it in these massive high platform. heels with these like beautiful dresses and kimonos and just still has all of the energy and everything i was like she is crushing it like she is incredible absolutely breathtaking studying so it was so much fun but yeah life has been good we're still obviously working on the house watching paradise you know Thomas Thomas he he won't watch the regular season but he'll watch paradise just for the memories so for all the memories that's so funny i can picture him saying that i think we talked a little bit about that last

time but wait did thomas get to hold the baby he did was that was that super like okay wait yeah tell us how he was like what's he did he look comfortable because thomas seems like he'd be really good with kids but i'm very curious of like how is he like holding a newborn oh he's great with kids he's he is so good especially with my three-year-old because she's so full of energy like they could just play and run around it's funny seeing him with the newborn because he has we have a nephew who who is, he just turned to, and like, we went to his one-year-old birthday, too, and, like, he'd hold him, but, you know, as a one-year-old, like, he's a little bit bigger. Having him hold this newborn, he literally just, like, has to put my nephew's name is Locke.

He just, like, has to put Locke in his hand, and, like, that's all he needs. But he's, because he's so big. I'm like, don't crush him. Like, he has a soft spot on his head. Be careful. But he was great with him. And he did not change any diapers, which I was really hoping he would do because he has not once in his life changed a diaper.

He says that the first diaper he ever changes, it's going to be his own flesh and blood. And I'm like, wow, that makes me nervous because you're not going to know what the hell you're doing. Right. But he was good otherwise. I was like, that's kind of cute. Wait. That's cute and smart because he got out of a lot of dirty diaper changing. So many dirty.

Oh, so many. And I was like, what are you going to do when we have a baby? He's like, well, I'll practice on a doll. I'm like, no, it is not the same. you have a doll versus like moving limbs and like a penis that can like pee on you like a little hose. Yeah. So he has a lot of practice. But I definitely think it made us both realize that we want to have kids sooner rather than later.

Okay, wait, but okay. Oh my God, I just got so excited. Okay, I called babysitting. Oh, yes. You're going to want to leave the kids or anything like that. Auntie Michelle is going to be here all the time. We'll be right there. Okay, so are you going to squash the rumors of everybody is convinced that you and Thomas got married already?

Wait, who thought we got married already? It's all in my DMs. I think it might be on somebody's screenshot. Yeah, because I think what happened is it was Thomas or somebody posted the video of you singing at the concert. Oh, the wife comment? Yeah, the wife comment, and so everybody convinced, everybody's convinced that you eloped and didn't tell anybody and that you guys are just already married. No, we did not elope. I will squash the rumors right now. We did not elope. It's not a, I mean, I'm not saying we wouldn't elope and not tell anyone for a while because we come to the engagement a secret for a long time. But no, we didn't. No, he always just calls me his wife. I think the second we got engaged, And, like, we've lived together for a while now.

Like, we know that we're each other's futures. He just calls me his wife. And so when I saw it, I, like, didn't even think about it because I'm like, you know, I hear it all the time from him. But, yeah, no. We did not allow it. Okay. So you heard it here.

Everybody Beck and Thomas are not married yet. Yet. But that's not to say we might not do it one day. But no, we would definitely need, like, our families there with us. We wouldn't just elope and not. have like my sister and our parents there so i think why people also are like yeah they definitely are already married is because the whole proposal and like how you know what i mean like you guys kept that a very quiet secret we're good secretkeepers i will say like it was you guys are volts

like nobody knew and so they're like definitely got married no we um yeah we're i mean i will say There's something fun about, like, knowing something that just you and your partner know and no one else. It's like, it just makes it more special. But nope, one day very soon, well, I don't even know if it's very soon. Don't quote me on that. But one day, it'll happen. But not quite yet. But he can still call me his wife.

I think it's cute. I don't mind. I think it's cute, too. He's stuck with me now. So, you know. Yeah. But with that, we have to have the man of the hour on Michael A. who you know him from katie's season he's back on the beach he just started this little relationship

with sierra so i think it's just time to bring him on and i know we have some questions for him because it's been a while since we've talked with him so everybody please welcome michael eight about your happy hour hello michael how are you doing i'm doing good how are you guys doing we're great it's been a minute though since we've seen you last yes A lot of time has passed, and, you know, it feels like I just left Albuquerque sometimes. I swear, this whole world is ridiculous. You know, thinking that I got back from Albuquerque, I think, you know, it was, you know, mid-last year. It feels like a lifetime ago.

And so it feels weird to be back on the beach and doing this thing all over again. Oh, Michael, now that I'm talking to you, it's all coming back to me. because I had mentioned to Michelle, we had you on happy hour during the midst of Katie's season, you know, one of those first couple weeks. And actually when we had interviewed you at that point, I was on the beach in Paradise. I had to like take a little break, a few hours off, come back to the hotel to record with you. So I was literally like where you're at now watching the season. Like I was there doing that.

And it's so crazy to like see you now because you've gone through this full experience once again. I cannot wait to just pick your brain on everything. But what have you been up to since leaving the beach without giving too much away? Like, I'm sure your life is crazy. You have your lovely son. Like, how has it been, you know, kind of getting back into this world and like what's life like? Yeah. I mean, getting back into my normal life, it, you know, it didn't take long whatsoever.

I jumped right back in. I mean, James isn't somebody that can wait around for me to find my, uh, footing. So it was, it was really quick. And James actually just went to kindergarten. He had his first day, geez, about a month ago. And I never thought it would be as emotional as it actually was. I used to make fun of parents all the time for, you know, getting all emotional about their kids going back to school. But there's something to be said about the kid kind of growing up, taking like those first steps and he just felt like an adult that day and i'm dropping him off at this like major large school and i'm like just please take care of him oh my god but he was he was crazy brave and i don't

i don't know it's there's a lot of firsts that i'm experiencing as a parent and you know each phase is is great um i think people always ask me you know what's your favorite phase you know what's your favorite time. It's always the next one. It's just kind of cool to, you know, grow beside him and see the world through his eyes. Did you set any tears dropping him off? Absolutely. I was, I think I was like in a caravan of sad parents just like with their head on their steering wheel, you know, wondering if their kids ever going to come back. Yeah, it was, it was an emotional one. I dried up. I toughened up a little bit and, you know, got back to work. It's got to be harder for the parents than for the kids, I'm sure.

I think it probably is because, you know, there's nothing we can do. We can't be there. We can't hold their hand the entire time. Sometimes you, you know, got to kick the bird out of the nest, as they say, and let them, you know, find their own own path in life. Speaking of phases, I feel like I don't have kids of my own, but I always hear just dropping them off when they're in like preschool, kindergarten, first, second grade.

And then, you know, their backpack is larger than them. They look like turtles. Oh, I know. So cute, right, with these big eyes. And then once they get to like fifth grade, sixth grade, like at the end of the summer, like you see those videos of the parents just like kicking them out the door like peace. Like, thank God. Once they start to smell, make it easier, I'm sure.

James definitely had that like turtle size backpack on because I just, you know, they send you so many emails about what to pack what to do so i'm just stuffing that thing like you may need this there may be an apocalypse what are you going to do and i'm just stuffing this thing like he's some sort of end-of-day's hoarder here and pork cake could barely even get it to class as a teacher though we appreciate that okay send all the supplies all of it it's better to have they're going to eventually may not be on the first day but he has everything can you imagine like this little can bring it out a bottle of wine And like, here, Miss Young, this is for my dad.

I've had that happen before. But, like, those are the best gifts because, like, teacher appreciation week in these different things, the parents who just get it and they'll send in, like, they'll send in wine. And, like, you don't, you know to not open the gift. Like, not, of course, you don't open the bottle of wine. Let me clarify, you do not open the bottle of wine until you get home, okay? First, I don't need anyone coming after me. But the best gifts were, like, the ones where, like, it was a bottle of wine.

And it was just, like, here's a bottle of wine. bottle wine because I know my kid is the reason you're drinking after school like they know okay at least they know I know and you know it's it's such a bittersweet thing because summer is really tough like as a single parent I mean he's he's here and it's like I've got jobs I've got work to do I've got things and at the same time I'm constantly trying to make sure that he's entertained and also like not becoming a couch potato like waste of space so it's like doing all these like crafts and like cutouts and all of these things that was running i was really running out ideas dad of the year goes to you michael i will say just just trying hardly dad of the year but i'm out

here trying that's all you mean as long as you love your kid and you're putting the effort and and i i don't know james but he seems like a wonderful child and like i can see how much you love him just from talking to you. And you had mentioned him going to school was obviously very emotional for you. And I have to say one of the, you did make me cry in the podcast last time we had you on, but one of the most emotional moments that we've seen on this show, at least for me personally, was your exit when you were leaving. And it was because you needed to be there for your son. So did you ever think now, flash forward to a year after that, that you would be back on the show, on the beaches of paradise doing this once again.

You know, I never thought I'd be a part of it again. I'm glad I am because it's a really cool, unique experience. I mean, outside of trying to find the person you're supposed to be with, you also get to meet a lot of amazing people that you never would have crossed paths with. So it's like you're always trying to take the good and the bad. And, you know, I think there's a lot of people who have questions about, you know, me going back on the show in doing this again. They don't really necessarily understand that, you know, two things can be true at the same time.

I can miss James. I can want to be a great dad. And also, I want to, I can be an individual and I can pursue the things that I need to pursue in order to feel a sense of fulfillment. And both those two things are absolutely true. They don't have to be one or the other. James was certainly not an excuse for why I left Katie's season. Katie knows that too.

You know, this season of Paradise is a little bit different. A year later in a kid's life is a lot. We were able to talk significantly about what we wanted, what I was going to do, and I was going to be away and all of that. And also, you know, filming is a little bit less than before. and it was his summer and he went on a lot of vacations with his grandparents and his parents his grandparents love having that one-on-one time to create those memories too so it was kind of a perfect opportunity to you know dive back and see if I can find my person and you know not have

to battle those what-ifs that can haunt us if we don't take them right I was going to ask you what went into your decision to like finally deciding that you are going to go back to the beach I was, you know, probably a late edition. I was holding off for a while. You know, it came at a time when, you know, James was in a good place, schedules really aligned. I was in a good, you know, mental state to be able to jump back in there and be open and honest and try to find somebody. So it was like a lot of things working in tandem. And if I weren't, if I wasn't able to do that, I was. I don't think I would have done it. And so it just seemed like the star is aligned. Yeah, going back to your thing, I mean, when you leave for the actual show, it's a much longer time period that you could potentially be gone for. Paradise is quick.

Like, I don't think people realize. And so most kids, too, in the summers, like you said, go on vacations with their grandparents or with other family members. They leave for a couple of weeks. And so the fact that it was the summer break and can do that, I think was great timing for everyone involved um so let's get into the actual season and episodes because so far we've seen three episodes and a lot has happened i want to first start with day one you walking down on the beach what were you feeling like just excitement nerves anticipation for like what was to come

like where where was your head and your heart at yeah there's something about paradise where i feel as though like the relationships have a greater chance of working. And I mainly believe that just because of the time that you're allowed to spend with somebody. There's a lot more, you know, freedom of choice and you can get deeper with people. I think on the, you know, the bachelor or the bachelorette, you're living and dying by one-on-one dates or group dates and things like that. I mean, sometimes on the beach, it's kind of great not to be included in any of those things. So if I'd like to go on a date, I'd like to go take my girlfriend to the beach. And so it's like, we'll just stay back at the pad and get to know each other and relax.

So I really thought that in terms of expediting the dating process, which is actually really hard for me, I've said this before. It's like when you're dating, that's time away from my son too. And so, you know, you could go on a bunch of first dates and those are nights away. So this is kind of a way to consolidate everything. And it's actually very efficient in terms of, you know, time and getting to know people. And, you know, also sneaking in a vacation there, honestly, which I desperately needed. Yeah.

I was going to say, no kidding. It's like speed dating on crack. It really is. Yeah, it really is. Can you tell all of the listeners and viewers out there, like the amount of time that you had with Katie on her season versus the amount of time that you spent with Sierra or anyone in those first three days, how do those both compare? Oh, I mean, I probably spent more time with Sierra than I did with Katie the end. entire season. In three days. Yeah, in three days. Yes. And, you know, you're really dialed into getting to know somebody. You see them in an atmosphere around friends. You see how they're perceived,

you know, which isn't everything, but it's something. You know, I always like to see, you know, if I'm with somebody, who do they hang out with? You know, what do others think about them? Am I blinded by one thing or the other, you know? And it's a good. kind of like litmus test to be able to to see and validate or negate like who you're with at that time that's very true that oh yeah okay so how okay so when you're coming to the beach is there anybody that was like on top of your mind that you really wanted to meet you know I was a last edition so I really wasn't looking at the cast and all of that. And I specifically did that because I think if you try to create a

plan down there, it backfires. The only way to do it is to go down there with an open heart to and an open mind. You know, sometimes people get trapped in how they want their experience to be and it takes away from just the organic nature of going down there and letting it lead. And so I really didn't, you know, have anybody particularly in mind, but just open to it and see who I was drawn to. We weren't surprised that everybody was so excited to see you. We, like, we kind of knew that that was going to happen, right, watching it. Were you surprised to, like, see that you were a very hot commodity? Did that catch me?

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I mean, I don't know. I think, you know, there's nobody there that's everyone's cup of tea, you know, everybody's going to have their opinion one way or the other, and people are going to have their preferences. What I tried to do when I was down there was, you know, pull people aside individually to get to actually know them, not just when, you know, the cameras are rolling, but who are they? Like, I may never see you again. I want to know a little bit about you. and I don't I don't know I think a lot of people just are not exactly they're more than how they are portrayed in the segments on any show and so I didn't want to have any bias from the way I saw them previous seasons or that or this or that or the other and just kind of you know go with it and see where it takes me that's the mindset you need I get it truthfully one mindset that I can relate to is you you make all these youthful comments and you were joking that you're like the old guy on the beach which I did the same when I went down there

last year don't you think though being a little bit older is a positive thing coming into this because it kind of removes yourself from the drama and you can realize what's important and not necessarily important when finding a partner. Yes. First, let me address the youthful, youthful comments here. Okay. So Andrew and I were talking about the girls that were currently there, which, you know, were serene, I think Genevieve, maybe Teddy was there.

And, you know, they're all great people, but they were not the one for me. And I could totally, like, sense that. Yeah. And I wasn't feeling that kind of draw to, them. So instead of saying something like negative, I was like, yeah, they're youthful. I love it. I'm going to start referring to that. One thing people are going to have to get used to is that when I get uncomfortable, I say really awkward thing. So that's going to be a theme

probably this entire system. So, you know, get used to it. And some people are like, oh, that's so creepy, creepy old man kind of thing. And I'm like, I'm not saying it like that. I'm I don't know. I don't know. Whatever. I'm surprised they didn't give you a cane for your intro, Michael. Yeah, right. A little walker. Tennis balls at the bottom. If you mentioned Michael pushing that through the sand.

Damn, what a missed opportunity. True. But I think you're right. I think there is a benefit of, you know, whether or not you're older or you've just had a life filled with experience, one or the other. The two are not necessarily the same. And, you know, it's not just about. age as much as it is about have you done your work you know have you worked on yourself do you know

who you are do you know what you want out of life and that can come in a lot of different ages and I know older people that have never done their work so it's not exactly you know you have to be this certain age to qualify but you you do see some sort of pattern between living life overcome obstacles, having that resilience being tested, and, you know, like feeling complete in that you're ready to find your match. Yes. Well said. I'm going to say, would you say that's the definition of how did Sierra say it? One, two, three, thatty. Thatty. Yeah, right. Zaddy Michael. Oh, Sierra's a gem. Oh, she's a little firecracker. I love it. I want to count the number of times that you were referred to as a zaddy with a zee don't get it twisted how did how does it feel

knowing that you're a zaddy you know the first time i ever heard this term was last season i think towards the tail end um and now i mean i think if if you were doing the bachelor you know drinking game and zaddy every time you did it you took a shot you wouldn't have made it to like the first commercial break it was just lying hot and and i'm telling you it's everywhere now all my uh guy friends are making fun of me it's on the text threads i you know i i don't know how to respond to it really so i'll probably just say something awkward it's about to increase for you wait i need to buy you there's a there's a ball cap that just says daddy on the top one of my best friends who just had a baby

has it now. So I really want to get you this daddy hat. Oh, thank you. Is it a daddy or does it say daddy? And can you like stitch out the D? We can make a Z. We can definitely do some crossage on that. Just do with Sharpie. Yeah. You know, I'll take a picture with, but I can't

promise I'll wear it. Let's go. Start to March. You got to wear it everywhere. When you drop James off to school, the next time in this little turtle backpack, you need this daddy hat. Okay. Deal. Deal. And you need to record it too. I need a I'm going to say we're going to require proof, footage proof. Let it begin.

Oh, my God. He's like, it's never going to end now. Way to go. No, no, no, no. My friends are ruthless, too. I mean, they are firing at me. There could be worse things to be called. They're like, Zam, Zaddy.

I mean, what is Zam mean? What the hell are people talking about? I don't know. The kids these days, I don't know. I'm not saying anything. Speaking of where this has come from now with Sierra, let's talk about it. Let's get into it.

talking about you too i feel like this is not necessarily a connection that i predicted becka what about you no but i can't predict anything down on that beach don't ask me how like how did it go down yeah so and this is a perfect case and point of not trying to plan your route um you know and plan your experience you know sierra is somebody that if you've ever met her she just has so much energy. I mean, one, she is gorgeous, just incredibly beautiful. But inside and out, too, we were able to have so many different conversations and they got deep really, really quickly. And it wasn't necessarily me just pouring it out, but she was giving me a lot in return. Just things about, you know, her upbringing, you know, where she came from, you know, her mom, you know, being an orphan

in Korea. You know, Sierra felt a calling to go to Korea and teach kindergartners at an earlier age, too, and just basically sold off all of her stuff because of that calling. Those types of things are evident to me that she's somebody that has done her work, that she has put in the time. And I was immediately drawn to it. She's hilarious, all of these amazing things. And so I don't know.

I think from what people may have seen of me on Katie's season, they may have been surprised, but people that actually, you know, know me as a person, it's not a surprise at all that I was drawn to her. Yeah, we've had her on the podcast before and she is so funny. She's like you said, just so energetic. She just has this vibe to her that I feel like is infectious. so I completely understand. So that week, the men had the roses. What was that like standing at your very first rose ceremony and actually being the one to hand that out?

Yeah. You know, I've been through a few rose ceremonies and to actually have the roses, I felt pressure, honestly. I think some people may feel like they're safe or a sense of power. But I was almost just hoping that the women would have it. So, you know, we don't have to make any decisions or anything, like what needs to be done. Let it be done. But, you know, for me, you know, Sierra, we had so many great conversations leading up to the rose ceremony that was the obvious choice. So I think for her, you know, going into it, if she did have any.

you know questions or hesitations on whether or not i was going to give it to her um hopefully it was very little because um she was really the the one person i was dialed into yeah those row ceremonies are just always so you just you never know what's going to go down row row ceremonies give me anxiety there's so much more stressful craziness yeah so much more stressful than anyone realizes the show makes it look great it's like so structured you have the one person saying, will you accept the story? It's like way more intense than anyone will ever realize with everyone staring at you too, Michael, and you have to like, it's not just that. I can't imagine what you two have been through. I mean, I'm coming as some lonely contestant, you know, you guys,

I can't imagine the weight, especially towards the ending. How heavy it all gets. That is when it gets hard. But for you in paradise, like for us, you know, we stand there and we say, will you accept this rose and we say the name like that's all we really have to do in paradise you have to like give this little spiel of why you are handing it out to them and like that was that the hard part for you each and every week you're like uh what do i say here you know i just want somebody to accept this and i don't want everyone else to hear what i'm trying to say to this person right now yeah you know not it wasn't that hard i mean i'm i'm kind of somebody that you know just speaks from the heart it doesn't have to be perfect as long as it's felt and it's real um so

you know, I don't put too much pressure on, you know, the delivery as much as just making sure that whoever's on the receiving end, you know, feels that it's, it's honest and it's true. Well, damn, Michael, I'm going to start having you right on my speeches. I didn't say they're pretty. I'll really. It's hard, though. There's so much that goes on. But switching gears just a little bit here.

I want to get your thoughts and to know that Beck would all. also want to get your thoughts on everything that's going down in Paradise up until this point. So, like, what did you think of like the Jill, Kira, Romeo love triangle? Give it from your perspective. Yeah, it's, that was a really interesting one. And, you know, the second I got down to Paradise, it was very kumbayaab. And you just know that it's not going to be there like that for too long. And that whole thing took off.

kind of confusing for me because I wasn't really aware of any of the prior history that they have all shared. And, you know, watching that on last week's episode, it was like, whoa, where did all this come from? Because I feel like I wasn't necessarily around during all of this chaos. You would hear, you know, Jill screaming, echoing down, you know, the beach. And you wondering what's going on but i mean other than that i feel like i feel like romeo you know he's he's somebody that wears his heart on his sleeve he i don't think he's somebody that has you know any sort of malicious intent but he's he was down there trying to figure out who his person was and i think he just got smitten by you know two two women that you know are great i don't think

Romeo had any idea what was happening down on that beach. From what we saw, he had no clue of how to work through any conversations or anything. It was very entertaining as if you were, but I'm like, sir, you got to be more direct and just kind of like have a game plan in your mind here whatsoever. Yeah, I think

you know, I got to learn a little bit more about Romeo, just he was you know in the bunk bed next to me and you know he's a really fascinating guy with an interesting background and an interesting take that is literally polar opposite of mine so I I found that instead of me like thinking that it's it's weird or odd it's it's always interesting to see how people process things and how they approach it and I mean he approaches things entirely different than me like if there was a polar opposite it's him and so we would have some talks and stuff and i don't i don't know i was just always interested in what he had to say yeah romeo was a very

intriguing person i remember our conversations were always so interesting oh my wait he was in your season yeah michel i thought he was on katie and gabby's no he was on my season oh wait how long was he there here we are romeo is down on the sand trying to find two julietz Okay. Michael, I want to ask you this because we have, and Michelle and I had talked about this, a lot of the cast members on this beach, we, we feel like this is the first time we're actually really seeing them and getting to know them. And one of those people is Casey, who I find hilarious. I'm obsessed with Casey. He might just be one of my favorite people on this season so far. Like his one-liners, like he's so quick-witted. Like he's just, I I want more of Casey. Is he as funny in person as he is on this show? Like, just describe Casey for me a little bit. Yes.

Casey is one of the funniest people I've ever met. I mean, quick-witted, absolutely. He's funnier. Like, if you think he's funny on camera, he's even better off camera. Like, he just has this really amazing way of breaking things down. I mean, his perspective always has this really dry humor to it that, I don't know, it adds, it adds levity. Even during like the really stressful times on the beach, he was always somebody that I buddyed up with. And we had like an immediate connection just because, you know, we have similar history, similar, you know, age ranges, all of that.

And I don't know. I think people are going to really enjoy some of his commentary this season. I feel like he's good morale for everyone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They need to let him narrate the season. Well, what's that Michelle?

They just need to let him narrate the season. Seriously. Totally. Seriously. Yes. Like, the man is hilarious. I'm trying to think of just different examples. I can't remember he had some hilarious comment where we were supposed to be dead serious.

Like shit was hitting the fan during the stupid sleep over day. He's your ex too. Yeah. How'd you let all these guys go, Michelle? Mm-hmm. Casey is a gem. Anyways, as I was saying. Let's turn the microphone over to Michelle.

Yeah, let's move to Michelle now. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah, just like the ice breakers, like this show. We were supposed to be like dead ass serious. Like I was supposed to be pissed off and like I'd catch something that he would say and I would just burst out laughing. Oh, it's so much trouble. You know, it's often extremely like inappropriate and dry and wonderful and like, I don't know.

His, his humor aligns really like mine too. And he's super, he comes off so humble, like incredibly humble. And I think that's the thing that I love the most. And even he made, I don't know what comment he made to somebody. I don't know if I was like a pretty, sorry if I'm throwing you under the bus, Casey. But it was like a comment he made where on my season where he was like, yo, like normally. I'm like I'm like a solid nine in the real world but like now that I'm around all these good looking guys

he's like I'm like a walking two at best yeah right right we're like I'm like he's like him on the podcast yeah we really do he's very humble very insightful he would be an entertaining guest no doubt oh so good one of these days we'll have him on but I could actually see you two getting along

because you both seem very similar And you both just always seem like you're just positive and happy. And not to say that you're always like that, but again, good morale for other people when they're down and going through all the crazy drama that is paradise. I feel like you both would be good people to gravitate towards. Yeah, I think Casey and I have a similar perspective. And, you know, when you're down on the beach, it can be exhausting. I mean, it's hot as hell. There are bugs everywhere.

I mean, you're sleep deprived, and I think people get caught up in that, and they're not seeing the bigger picture, which is this is such a cool moment to share. Like, it's going to be gone in a flash. And so, you know, don't get caught up with, you know, this, that, and the other. And it's like, this is just a cool opportunity to dial in, focus on yourself, focus on relationships, meet new people, see if it works. If it does, amazing, if it doesn't, you'll always have that to look back on those memories. And you'll value them. So it's like make the most of it. I'm so, I want to ask you this because obviously not everyone has done a season of the bachelor or bachelor's and then goes on to Paradise.

But I always like to ask people who have done both because they're so drastically different. What did you have more fun filming? Oh, definitely Paradise. Hands down, not even, not even close. I mean, it's it's better for a lot of reasons. I mean, I loved Katie's season because I think Katie's amazing person. She was great in the role. And I love the guys from our season. The difference is, is that people warm up a lot quicker on Paradise, I think. So they've done this before. They understand. kind of, you know, what's going on. They can see it from a little bit higher up. And you get to know people a lot faster. You get to spend more time with people and get to know them. There's a little bit more freedom into, you know, what you can do during the day. And it feels more organic in so many ways. That's just my opinion. Then, you know, some of the formalities and everything that goes

along with Bachelor and Bachelorette. This is a lot more laid back. So much more fluid. You mean to tell me that you don't miss somebody interrupting your conversation every 10 minutes? Right. Well, no one ever interrupted mine, thank God. But I was lucky. You may be the first. I was lucky. Actually, that's a lie. There was one time, Um, Andrew M. who is on our season, he came in and interrupted me. And I got up and I love Andrew. He's like one of my closest friends. I was like, Katie, this guy, he's amazing. Like, get to know him. He's wonderful. And she's like, okay. Yeah. I was like, this is a good one. Like he's not full of shit. Um, you know, I'm trying to date you too. Why aren't you having yourself up this way? You know, I'm. You know, I'm. I was just like, you know, it's probably hard if you're the lead trying to see past like the veil, you know, that happens. Like you don't know necessarily what's going on behind the scenes and you want someone to at least validate like, who is this person? Are they good behind the scenes when the cameras aren't rolling?

So, yeah, I gave Andrew a shout out. Why not? I love it. Men supporting men. That's what we want to see more of, especially on this show. Yes. One more thing that we need to ask you about the drama and everything that we saw go down in the most recent episode specifically was Teddy's very abrupt exit. Was everyone as shocked? Because I think for us viewers, we kind of saw her not spiral downward after that conversation with Rodney, but like it seemed so abrupt that I was like, are we missing something? Like did something happen on that beach that the viewers aren't privy to of why? she left without saying goodbye to anybody when teddy left that really took me by surprise um you know

i know that andrew was so excited to get to know her and i know she was feeling andrew too um to some extent and you know when rodney came down as well it was almost as if these two great guys were you know, kind of, you know, seeking you out, which can be a really, really great thing. I mean, in most cases, to have options is fantastic. It's better than not having them. But I think that she got a little bit overwhelmed with everything. And Teddy is such a empathetic, like, kind person that, you know, I feel like she didn't necessarily want to break anybody's heart.

and I think she was really exhausted by the process and found out that it really wasn't for her. And it took everybody by surprise when she left. And I know Andrew was incredibly beat up about the whole thing. I mean, feeling anywhere from, you know, guilty that she left and that it didn't work between those two. And so I don't know, my heart went out to, you know, my buddy because I don't know. I think he wanted it to be something, you know, special. And the thing is, is that, you know, with finding love and finding your person, you can't plan for it. You can't arrange it.

Like, you can get excited. But I always feel as though, especially in paradise and things like this, it's better to find out sooner than later that things don't work. because in the real world, you could spend six months with somebody before you realize you're not a match. And that's just time wasted. Here, you know, it could be a week or two, you know. And that's that's kind of a good place to be. Yeah, it was interesting. I think it caught everyone off guard because we've never seen that before.

Like we've seen people leave and they'll have their exit interviews and have the chance to say goodbye in some capacity. And this time around, it was like she was just beeline in for. back to the United States and it was it'll be interesting to see how Andrew processes things it seems like right now he didn't get the closure that he needed but yeah we'll find out gosh that's so hard though because it's like you know when you're in a situation where like you think you want to be a part of something and then you're there and you're just so uncomfortable and you're like I don't want to do this I just want to be home you just want to get out like this is not for me gosh I feel for her too with wanting to just like

hit the road. Yeah. And I think that's, I think that's where Teddy was coming from. You know, it was weird because for a while, we're all wondering where Teddy is and we're not, the last thing we thought was that she left. Because usually, and like, let's be honest,

you're not allowed to just leave. It's not like you can call your own cab, but to be like, hi, come pick me up. It's, it takes a lot to actually like get going. But, you know, at the end of the day, you know people have to do what's best for them and you know she realized that this wasn't the place for her and you know i actually applaud her for being decisive and making that decision versus dragging it out without you know her heart being in it or her head yeah do you okay so you said

that you'll touch base with katy every now and then do you still talk to like are you close to the guys from katy's season uh yeah absolutely um i think once you shared something like this, it's so campy and odd that you can't help but, you know, have a special place for these people. And like, even if it wasn't for the show, I'd still be friends with these people. They're really, really good. And it was really, like, enjoyable for me to know that, like, Justin and Andrew were down there, some familiar faces where we're not competing over the same person, but rather just kind of going through the process together. it's it's it's truly like a once in a lifetime experience that lives with you for a really long time sometimes too long yeah I can I can understand that too we'll talk about that later word is through the great bind that you are a great rapper and so I'm going to need you to drop a few lines before we get into the end of this let's do it no way just a couple beat who who told you about this

who do you think my roommate thomas oh thomas yeah no there is no possible way he said you're so good he's like everyone all of the guys know how great of a rapper michael a is you need him to drop a few lines let's keep it like paradise themed off off record i will totally do that you know not on record no come on you got to you got to sometimes you said what did you say you got to push the birdie out of its nest and they'll fly kick the bird out of the nest that was all bullshit that was all bullshit that I didn't mean any of that so can you do you think you could wrap and give us a little bit of a tease to like our listeners

about what they should expect from this season look people got people called me cringe for saying the word youthful you don't think they're going to come at me for rapping on a podcast how about this Michael I'm sure we'll have you on this podcast again probably at some point within the season maybe towards the end of this season so when you come back your homework is you're going to have to wrap a few lines just a couple you know like a couple eight counts nothing crazy and so just be prepared okay i you know john johnny's the rapper on our season and you have to include the word zaddy in it and there's a lot of words that

words that rhyme with zaddy so you should oh yeah yeah yeah i mean i how about that I will say maybe to this. So if you have me back on, I may do it again. We take maybes as yes. You have time to prep. You two look like you take maybes as a yes. You're saying there's a chance. Yeah, right.

Okay, so you don't have to wrap it for us, but can you give listeners a little bit of a tease of what to expect on Bachelor in Paradise this season? Yeah, I mean, this, This season, it has extreme highs, extreme lows. There are some amazing love stories that develop, and there are really some excruciating heartbreaks that, like, disrupt the entire, you know, beach, the house. And it's really lighthearted. It's really entertaining.

It's a long, long season. And I promise that it's going to be worth watching until the end. This is going to be really, really fun. Who, hooked. So, Michael, are you in love? You'll have to tune in to find out. You are prepped and trained well, my friends. You know I can't say nothing.

I always try to get something out of you guys. I know. I know. Body. You got an inside track. We're back. What was that, Michael? I said you have an inside track.

I know. I know too much. Well, I'm very good. Okay, so Becca, as Michael's watching it back, any advice for him that you have, you know, re-watching this paradise experience for him? Oh, God. Where to begin? Well, I would tell anyone this after any season or during any season. Just don't read the comments.

Don't go on the forums. I mean, at this point, people get obviously so invested in the show. like even us were recapping this season but what's done is done and you've already lived this and now is just the time to soak it in and embrace

the friendships that you've made from the show and what other advice don't be stupid if you have any scandals be up front with them beforehand because people will find you out

but just have fun I mean like you said earlier I don't remember what question we had asked you but you made the point of like, it's so fleeting when you live on that beach. But there's so much more to soak in, I think, this time around with the different people and friendships you'll make, that that's the fun part. And just have fun when it's done because, like, there's a lot. I mean, as you know, after Casey's in, there's a lot that's going to happen.

But I don't know, let me rephrase. Wherever you're at in a relationship or not, I'm not quite sure, just have fun because once you can finally be out and in public, if that's the case, it's going to be so worthwhile and just embrace every moment, really, because as you said, it goes by so fast. Love it. But, yeah, I'm not really great with advice because everyone's journey is so different and people have different experiences on that beach. I wasn't there, but I do have one final question to ask you before we get into like our last

thing. How did you like the food in paradise? because I found it incredible. I miss it. I would go back just for the food. What are your thoughts? I loved it. You learned to like,

you realize that it's not the menu. It's like all of this off menu stuff that you can have them make. The shrimp are insane. I mean, everything out, they're so good. The shrimp tacos?

Oh, the shrimp tacos. I heard something about the tacos. You know, I was like, shrimp lettuce raps. Oh, my God. Michelle, go for the food.

Just go for the food. This is, Michael, This is us trying to convince Michelle to go to Paradise. Oh, Michelle, Paradise is so much fun. It's way better. It's way as long as I can. I'll give my date card to the food. Yeah.

Coming from somebody who said no, no, no for so long, and I feel like Michael did too. And from going from a season of The Bachelor to your own season, Paradise is 1,000 times more fun, more freeing. it's more fluid it's like out of any season i would say do a season of paradise yeah it sucks that people have to go through like an actual season before they can do paradise but like do paradise yeah yeah there's just like i need a break but yeah like becca the the sunsets down there are they're insane this is this is this is actually a really funny story real quick is, you know, there's tons of bugs and everything down there. You're living in these conditions where, you know, you don't have any windows, any doors. There's crabs in your suitcase.

It's all open air. Yeah, exactly. Well, I was on the top bunk, right? And it was like day three or four or something. I look up and there's like a four, five foot snake living above me. And it was like this close to my face and it was wrapped around this pole and the thing was is you would immediately say like get somebody in here to take care of this snake right but then i realized real quickly that this snake was actually eating all of the bugs that were falling on me every single night so this guy was kind of like my friend throughout the entire space you're not doing a great job of convincing her to come yeah well michel what kind of snake was it like what color was it what's that what color was it it was like a blackish green oh heck no yeah you you said four to five foot snake

yeah it was huge four to five foot snake you do like i'm yes like i'm five foot something yeah and it was like that thick too no so you had an and a conda raptor on your bed is what you're telling me yeah absolutely it was it was it was out there like eating everything that was getting caught up in you know the rafters that weird place. So I will say the men had worse living quarters than the women. Like the women, because we're up a little higher, there's always a breeze blowing through the quarters. So like, bugs don't really stay.

The snake is a little iffy. I was going to say, I really did like you, Michael, but now I think you might be kind of this was survival out here. And you're so asleep. deprived that you just don't care you're like fuck these bugs i don't yeah oh i know i know maybe wait were you actually seeing a snake you know it became like my my wilson you know you're volleyball yeah you're basically living in a castaway yeah i would confess to him every night yeah that's gonna be a no i i i can see that um okay on that note michael we're going to get into something

a little bit more serious here so we always have our guests give their rose and thorn of the season or of the episode. But on top of that, we've added a new thing, which we think it's so important to keep our listeners informed and just share important resources that we love that we can always repost as well that anyone can go back and find and look and read and watch and whatever. So we're going to start with the resource first. And just to make it easier, I'll kick it off. Unless Michelle, is that okay with you? Totally. Take it away. Okay. So I have two resources I want to share this week. One is a documentary that I found. I just found it on YouTube. I think it's on other platforms too. You do have to pay like $2 to watch it. But it's a documentary called Dark Girls. And it's very interesting. And I think it's, it was made a few years ago, but it's still always timely. And it just goes into basically how at such a young age, when we're children, we start to just, form these certain like idealisms of beauty and like what constitute as beautiful or as smart

or whatever it might be um it really really breaks down the status based upon the level level of color in in skin um and how such young children start to realize that which and it's it's very informative it's like there's parts of it that are sad like it it's a very interesting watch um but I would highly recommend it to anyone who just has some like an hour of their time. So it's called Dark Girls. Again, I found it on YouTube. And then the second one that I want to share. And this is adding to Michelle's resource last week of the Still Processing Podcast.

And I shared it on my Instagram story, but it's an episode. I don't remember what exact number it is, but the title of it is Lil Nas X, Not Sorry. And it's very timely for everything that has happened within this franchise, especially within the past couple weeks of the finale. It kind of goes into different types of public apology, breaks them all down. It gives examples so you know exactly what they're talking about. And you can kind of compare apologies that we have seen in the past in this franchise versus now. Highly recommend that one. I think it's from 2020, I believe, but very important and still time.

now love that so those are mine wow i love this i love this segment too oh good well it was michel's idea way to go do the got a smart woman do you still want to do the rose and thorn part too yeah or we just gonna do resource resource well we should do resources and then rosent thorne right okay yeah okay so for no those were great becca and that the still processing podcast that the entire podcast that's amazing like it's amazing there's some awesome episodes oh they're great Great. It's incredible. It really is. So my resource is it's the book. I think a lot of people have potentially heard of it, but it's called White Fragility. Just finished reading it for the second time. It is basically this, I think it's by Robin DiAngelo. And I can link it as well on my page. But just this book about why it is so difficult for white people to talk about racism and the defensiveness and goes into that whole. concept of really talking about those and why it is so

hard to speak about those things, but why it's important. It's honestly, like if you are wondering where to start in your journey of having these hard conversations, like that is the book that I would point everybody to. I know it's on Audible.

So like pop it in while you're driving. I'll look all those things as well. Yep, white fragility. Wonderful. Thanks for Sean. that. I guess my resources, you know, October is Breast Cancer Awareness Month. And, you know, obviously it's something that's touched my family and it's touched way too many people, sadly. One thing that I think people need to do is contact their, you know, legislators, their senators

about making mammograms more accessible at an earlier age and covered by insurance. I think women are getting breast cancer younger and younger, which is really alarming to me. And right now, as it sets, you can't, insurance doesn't cover mammograms until you're about 40 years old, but people in their 30s are getting it. People in their late 20s are getting it. And you shouldn't have to wait in order to take care of yourself and to possibly save a life because early detection is key for this whole thing. I love that.

Yeah, so that's one thing I continue to be passionate about. And, you know, American Cancer Society is also running their real men wear pink campaign. So if you guys are interested in, you know, continuing that fight during breast cancer awareness month, you know, give them and give them a check and donate if you can. Amazing. I love that. Thank you, Michael. also mammograms and like all those female just things that females have to deal with because we're females should be the same thing as vaccinations like should be free absolutely flu shot flu shot's free like let's go we could have a whole podcast on how screwed up our health care system is totally should we get into it right now what's that should we get into it right now i mean also adding on to that planned parenthood i know people People just think it's an abortion clinic.

It does so much more than that, which is why people should not want to defund it. But we can save this for another separate episode. Episodes. By the time, we're going to have to cover this. Yeah. No, Michael, that was great. Thank you for sharing that. We so appreciate it.

And we have mentioned this on our podcast too, but Michelle and I are always going to be sharing these on our stories and just on our highlights page. So if anyone ever wants to go back and access old resources that we shared, it's all going to be found there. So you shouldn't have any problems. But yeah, that's, I love it. It's such a, you know, I think a lot of times we're always wondering what can we do since we can't change everything. I think this is an awesome thing for you guys to do to educate your audience and, you know, provide some easy things for people to educate themselves if they want to be educated. If they are open to having an open mind and being able to change, which that's its own thing. But, you know, you guys are doing good work.

We help more and more people just keep that open mind. And, you know, we're all about learning. We've got to teach her in our midst here. And so we got a dad who, you know, you're teaching James as he grows up. So it's important. But with that, Michael, now we got to get into the Rose and Thorne. We obviously ask our guests this every week. basically highlight and low light we're going to do it of the season so far so these first

three episodes what is your rose and your thorn um let's see my thorn of this season probably the the heat down there the bugs the no air conditioning um it's early on in the season so it was you know i wasn't adapting to it um i end up you know welcoming that bohemian lifestyle real quickly. But at this point, I'm a sweaty mess and you can see it all over my face. And so my rose, it would probably go to, you know, the cast. They were actually amazing people, everybody. And I'm not joking either. They're people that come from diverse walks of life, unique backgrounds, open people. It takes a lot of courage to put yourself out there. and to go on, you know, something as crazy as Bachelor in Paradise.

And, you know, for that, I always applaud people for taking that, like, road less traveled. Amen. That's great. Michelle, you want to go? I was going to say, can my thorn be kind of disappointed that Michael's Rose wasn't the zaddy comment? That's my thorn. My thorn could have been youthful, too. Exactly.

No, no, it was so funny. But I would say my thorn is probably learning about the massive snake that sat above your head. I know that we didn't see that, but now, like, man, all doors to paradise are closed with that snake. He made a friend. That's right. No, that's true. That's so true. But my rose would probably have to be, like, getting to see Casey Blossom and, like, is human.

and just being really because like you know you see a little bit of that but having the world get to see that I would say that's my that's my roses that's what I'm excited for and you know like the relationships and the love and stuff too but like joy humor can't beat it Casey Casey's great people are going to love them this year yes um those are great ones okay I'm going to say my thorn this actually also could be my rose because it was pretty entertaining but it was so cringeworthy is the swerve that was the kiss between Romeo and Britney. So awkward, so cringeworthy. Again, very entertaining for me, but like putting myself back in like trying to like be in their positions. So awkward on both accounts. It just, it was a mess. Made you look away.

Made me look. No, it made me look harder because I was like, I've got to see this again. Rewine. Oh, no. And. Can I give two roses? I have to because there's one thing because Michelle and I usually recap each episode and we didn't at the top of this one. So one was the, though it was slightly too long and didn't execute as well as I would hope, the reenactment with Wells and Sally's suitcase with the women at the bar was gold. It gave me like flashbacks to drunken history. I'm absolutely obsessed with that show. That's a good reference.

such a good show that like watching wells be this producer with like this luggage it's a key player in the game it's clearly stand out um contestant there was the luggage so that reenactment i would say it was great um and then my other rose is just being able to see i feel like because i've been out of this show for so long and like i was able to do the tour seeing like friends on the beach like Andrew and Justin who I consider like a little brothers to me as annoying and wonderful as they are like to see them kind of go through like this journey now and like navigate the hard parts and like the really fun parts. It's just been fun. You know, I feel for them when they get their hearts broken, but that's like for anyone. But it's just fun to see people that I

now consider like family and friends go through this crazy incredible journey because it can be so worthwhile. So that's that's one of my roses too. And with that, Michael, it was so much fun having you. It's always a pleasure. Nice to see you guys. Thanks for having me on. And Becca, good luck with your remodel, too. Thank you.

Once it's done, please, if you ever come visit San Diego, you have a place to stay. Come hang out with us. And I'm hoping, fingers crossed, we'll have you again later on in this season. Work on that wrap. I was going to say, we didn't forget. Oh, geez. We will never forget. He's not coming back.

I'd be like, ah, I'm busy. He's like, hey, Michelle, so awesome meeting you too. I've been wanting to meet you for a while and big fan of yours. You as well. Well, we're excited to see how this all plays out. And I'm sure we will have you on again soon just because we're going to request it for that wrap. So we're only going to ask Michael A every episode here on out. Yep.

Okay. We'll talk to you soon. Thanks, Michael. Okay, Michelle, wasn't he so fun? I'm such a Michael A fan. he's really he's really sweet he has a good head on the shoulders um seems very wise and yeah i'm kind of i'm excited to see see how this turns out for him i am too i i mean obviously i love the love stories on this show and i'm really rooting for everyone to find somebody and i really

really hope he does so we will continue to watch him and find out um yeah he just the youthful comments the like the zaddies i i could i could go with little bit more of that more of michael a for a bit um absolutely but thank you michael for joining us and michel it's always so much fun with you but a huge shout out to our bachelor happy hour listeners thank you for tuning in every week with us and don't forget that you can always catch new episodes of bachelor in paradise every monday and tuesday on abc or hulu and make sure to hit us up on social you can follow us at bachelor happy hour on instagram and from there you'll find everything you need to know to follow us on Twitter and TikTok.

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