Bachelor Happy Hour - Michael & Danielle Are in Love!

Episode Date: December 7, 2022

Michael and Danielle join Becca and guest co-host Serena Pitt this week on “Bachelor Happy Hour” to share all of their exciting life updates now that “Paradise” is officially over! They open up about introducing Michael’s son to Danielle, what life in Akron will look like once Danielle moves, and how they plan to spend the holidays. Plus, they share their thoughts on the reunion and offer advice to future “Paradise”-goers! See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yay, it's so good to see your face again. So good to have you back on Happy Hour. It's always a pleasure when you're around. But we are so excited to be back with you this week to talk all about how life has been after Paradise for the two cute love birds, Michael and Danielle. I am so excited that they are a guest today. We have so many questions for them after the reunion. And I just can't wait to hear how they're doing life beyond paradise, you know, those trips to the grocery store, date night at the restaurant, all the little things that all the couples look forward to once the season ends. Just being able to walk down the street.

in hands in public. And no one understands it better than you. Obviously, you and Joe lived this last year. You are now happily married, which I'm so, I think this is the first time I've seen you since you've like officially tied the knot. Yeah, I think it is. That's crazy. We had Joe on a couple weeks ago to give his side of things. But how have you been? How's married life treating you anything new or different? I've been good. I feel like everything in my life feels the same. You know, everyone, someone said to me, I think it was Chelsea the other day, was like, it's like on your birthday and everyone's like, do you feel different because you're a whole year older? And it's like, I feel the same. Our relationship feels the same. But it definitely was very spontaneous and exciting. And I'm definitely still getting used to calling him my husband. That still feels and sounds so weird to me. But yeah, it's been, it's been good. And we're still busy wedding planning, which Becca, I'm sure you can relate to the stresses of that. Oh my God. Do I ever? Well, you and I had a separate little text thread happening a few weeks ago and we were talking about wedding planning. It is crazy. And I'm sure some women and men, I'm sure just some couples in general, love wedding planning. I for one find it just so stressful, so anxiety-ridden. I mean, like you and Joe did it right. Honestly, going to the courthouse and just having to be. the two of you in this like very intimate private ceremony like very secret i think was so smart

yeah we have no regrets on the way we did it um i mean we're still obviously having the wedding but it definitely takes some of i don't want to say the pressure off because it wasn't like the pressure of planning a wedding's like the actual marriage component but it's just like all right check we're married and now we can just deal with like the fun of celebrating that with our family and friends but like i feel like It's one of those things, like, you just don't know until you get into wedding planning, like how many components there are. It's just a lot.

It's both fun, but also very overwhelming and stressful at the same time. So overwhelming. You're only going to do it once, so we're trying to enjoy it. I know. Hopefully. That's what I keep telling myself. It's like, it's going to be one inch on. Yeah.

One more thing. I know we had to bring Michael and Danielle on very soon. One more thing I wanted to ask you, though, have you started wedding dress shopping? Actually, I got my wedding dress. You did? Yeah, I did. Oh, my gosh. Just a promo shop in New York?

No, so I went home for a few days to Toronto after we spent U.S. Thanksgiving with Joe's in Chicago. And I knew that I wanted to do shopping with, like, my mom, my sister, my dad, I wanted to, like, come by and see a few. you like some friends when I was home. And the first store I went into, because our wedding is early September, they were like, you need to get your dress. Like, you need to get your dress. I'm sorry, but like it takes six to eight months to order a dress plus like two months for alterations is like the real estate timeline. So it kind of worked out because I already had two

appointments booked. I'm pretty like decisive and was like I went to one. I went to the next and I got my dress at the second one and I'm obsessed with it. I'm very relieved that that decision's done. So yeah. Look at you. Okay, well, I definitely want to get more details. I don't want to share everything and, like, put it on blast here. We'll jump in our wedding-clating chat later. Yes. Okay, definitely. Sounds good. Well, I love just chatting with you, but of course, we do have our guest of the hour, Michael and Danielle. So I think it's just time to bring them on. Everyone, please welcome them to Bachelor Happy Hour. Well, welcome to Happy Hour. You too. It's so good to see you side by side, finally. Nice to see you guys, too. Michael, it was a short time ago that we had just you on Happy Hour, and I knew I had a feeling.

I didn't know any spoilers, but I was like, I think we're going to see him back very soon. And so, Danielle, welcome. I think this is your first time on Happy Hour, correct? Yeah, my first time on Happy Hour. It's our first chance to actually get to talk. I know. I mean, I got to meet Serena, well, FaceTime on. And we met at the, yeah, Joe was at Wells' wedding with both.

of you. He's in that photo where you two are next to each other. I like zoom in on Joe and it's like Danielle Michael and like Joe's head in between them. Oh my God. That's so that's so funny Serena real quick. They had a photo booth at Wells's wedding and since you were sick and you didn't actually go. Joe took a bunch of like photos in the photo booth by himself and I actually have I actually picked one up and I have one in my bedroom not like on my nightstand. Like with a bunch of other polarites. Has it framed next to the bed. That is so good.

Every time I come over, I'm like, God, I'm just like, who's the real person in your life? It's Joe. Yeah, right. It's Joe. It's Joe. It's Joe. Oh, my gosh. I saw, I mean, I saw the pictures from Wells and Sarah's wedding.

And so you both had obviously at that point already filmed Paradise. You were together. You weren't technically supposed to be seen, but like, you're not going to say no to your friend's wedding, right? So, but you weren't each other's plus months, correct? Like, you went? No, he was. Wells, Wells texted me and he goes, so Danny, you want a plus one? And I'm like, dude, you know who I'm going to bring? Uh-huh. He's like, yeah. And I was like, is that okay? Like, are you going to have a ton of press there? What's the deal? He's like, no, no, no, no, no. No press. No cell phones. You just have to, like, we're just bringing him the photos to like Vogue and like, they're the all. And like, they're the

The only ones that are going to post it. You guys want to be in anything. Just vogue. Just a big deal. No big deal. And I'm like, okay, well, yeah, I want to bring Michael to your wedding. And then if anyone's calling you being like, what do you guys doing? It's like, talk to Wells.

He told us we could do this. He told us it was okay. He's the wrong breaker. Yeah. I mean, we obviously were so excited to finally be in public and everything, especially at that venue. It was the most beautiful wedding I've ever. thing and just it just felt really, really warm. And to see Danny and her element, I got to meet tons of her friends that weekend. She hangs out with just this extraordinary group of people.

I always talk about this. And it was just a great weekend. And I guess if your relationship's going to be spoiled, it's glad it's in vogue. Oh, yeah. Definitely. No, I was actually just as like, oh, damn, like I wish Thomas and I would have been able to go to some of his friends' weddings last summer so you guys definitely looked out it looked like the wedding to be at like when you say it was beautiful i know that that winery it's absolutely stunning um okay well so god we have so many questions i don't know where to begin let's just take it back to last week because that was obviously thanksgiving it was the first holiday that you could really spend did you spend it together we did yeah i went up to ohio and spent it with michael and james and his family and um got to me to

sister for the first time. I'm obsessed with her. We already are laughing about Michael behind his back. It's great. Let it again. So how does that? Because I know with Joe and I, we don't have family in the same place, similar to you guys. I'm from Toronto. He's from Chicago. So how are you guys kind of navigating that like long distance families in different cities thing for both Thanksgiving and then we have Christmas coming up? Yeah, it's it. I mean, it's a work in progress that we just we were talking about how are we going to handle Christmas and the first thing was let's get through Thanksgiving. I love, you know, getting to be around family around those times.

And it's difficult traveling with, you know, James and everything. And Danny's parents have a beautiful home in the North Woods of Wisconsin. And it's an 11-hour drive. so essentially what's happening for Christmas James would be yeah you do guys want to do that

no good I'll be at home with James yeah all right I'll leave them with you and so you know I'll we're going to have Christmas at my place

with my parents and family and then I think what two days later we're going to drive up to Wisconsin yeah so like the like 28, 29, something like that.

We're going to do that with my family. We're going to go to Chicago for New Year's Eve. And we'll see you guys there. We might be there too. Oh. Yeah. Well, we're going to be in Chicago for Christmas and potentially through Thanksgiving. So definitely message us.

Oh, that'd be amazing. Or sorry, yeah, through New Year's. I was like, that would be a long time in Chicago. Just mine. We're moving back. You're going backwards, time machines. Yeah. I was like, I thought Canada.

And Jesse had their Thanksgiving, too. Yeah, and I will say this, too. This was like a really emotional holiday for both Danny and I, it's been forever since we've actually had someone this next to. And we, you know, after everything that's happened to us, you know, you constantly kind of feel like not a third wheel, but you have a piece that's actually missing. And it was really fulfilled.

and felt extremely warm for Thanksgiving this year to be able to celebrate it with her and just everything that we have been through, not just in our past, but on the show and kind of growing as a couple outside of, you know, the limelight and all of that. My family adores her, which I knew I knew they would. And that's one of the reasons why it's working out, you know? That's always a bonus. I love you too. Okay, okay, we need to talk about this.

So it's been a few weeks now since the Paradise finale has aired. I want to know, first of all, has the dust, like, kind of finally settled for you both? Yeah, it's been really nice. Now we're just kind of like, okay, let's focus on getting moved and like the next step and just really enjoying each other, being able to share that joy with, like, patients that come in and see me. And they're like, God, you look so happy. I'm like, I've been happy, but now we can finally talk about it. You know? Right. Yeah. And you say his name to your friends and be like, hey, this is my boyfriend. Right. Yeah. Exactly. And it feels like it's been a while since

I've had, I don't know, like this optimistic view of the future. Like things are settling in. Like I know who I want to spend, you know, my life with. and begin building again versus it was always, you know, something looming or hanging in the future, whether or not it was, you know, paradise or, you know, being on KDCs. And I think a lot of people don't recognize, you know, how much being on the show puts your life on hold. And when I was, you know, I'm 38, you know, times ticking. And that was, that was really difficult, especially when you're so focused on progress and trying to figure everything out. But I'm so glad I went down this path. It's just like this road less traveled, and it led to something

just so beautiful. That makes me so happy. I know. It's so great for you guys. I mean it. It's been no easy road for anybody. There's so much that goes into it. And by no means, are we victims? like we're very lucky to be a part of this experience, but it does take its toll. And it's, it feels good that it wasn't all for nothing. Yeah. I remember watching our Paradise finale, because we didn't have a reunion. So it ended with like the engagements and whatnot. And just feeling like a weight lift off my shoulders. Like it was a sense of relief that I've never experienced before. But I know for for Joe and I, and you guys are in a similar situation, Joe had been on the show a few years back. He'd done, you know, Beck's season of the

Bachelorette. For one night. That doesn't even count. I looked up and see who season he was on the other day. I was like, yeah, we actually did that. Yeah. But he did, he did Bachelorette-ish and then Paradise and then came back to Paradise. So when we left, he was kind of familiar with navigating what that was like. Has that kind of helped you guys, Like, Michael, have you kind of leaned on Danny in that way of, like, how does this work? Like, how should we handle this? Or is it just kind of felt like new territory for both of you together? I mean, for me, I guess if I'm comparing it to when I got off Katie's season, you know,

you go from nobody ever having an opinion about you outside of your immediate friends and family to this tidal wave of public opinion. And you're not really sure how to handle it. you become glued to your phone, you're checking things, what do people think about me? This time around, I didn't focus on any of that. I think it may be because I was happy. You know, like I knew I had somebody at the end of this and I was kind of more focused in the moment than really trying to figure out what strangers opinion of me or us were. It's great to have somebody that you can lean on.

For sure. The social media escape has changed a lot since I was on the show. It's got a little meaner, a little wilder. Oh, yeah. It's a scary place sometimes. Yeah. What has been your favorite thing, big or small, that you've been able to do together since everything is aired and now that you are finally

public? Like, Serena and I have talked about this, but like one of my favorite things was just going grocery shopping with Thomas. That's what I was going to say. So little, but so special. So special. And also so necessary, too. So necessary.

You need to kill grocery shopping to live. We love cooking and we forget something and it would be like, okay, who's putting the wig on or who's staying in the car or who's staying back. And it's like, we just need to grab something real quick. Yeah, just one thing. Yeah, I remember the first time we actually did that. like I've I've forgotten something for pumpkin pie or whatever and we've got like James wanted to be in that like one of those like car grocery carts and we're like yeah yeah and we're going through and I'm just like oh my god we're in public like we're doing this together right now this is this is amazing yeah did you guys like do it together were you like on one side of the grocery store and like if you'd pass you give a little wave did you split up at all I mean no it's pretty much not together.

Yeah. Yeah. We did it together. So it's been real exciting. Let me tell you, grocery shopping together. Brocery trip. We lived that curling life in the middle of us.

Went to movies and dinner. I mean, Wells at his wedding was obviously a highlight. What's amazing to is, you know, I went down to Nashville. We did sneak out to a concert one time. And, you know,

it was just a really i don't know it's really cool but at the same time it's been really fun not being like focused on events or doing things like we're both kind of home bodies at heart and it's been cool just staying in and not be tempted to go out so we can kind of focus on ourselves too right yeah i was talking to can't learn about this a little bit she's like you're gonna miss this like little bubble that you're in and i texted her after the you know And I was like, yeah, I missed the bubble. Yeah, you're right. I feel like, though, the window that you miss the bubble is just when all this, like,

spotlight essentially is on you. And it's very overwhelming. And then as that fizzles, like, I've never missed the bubble. But I also, I used to lay on Joe's couch and be like, I'm in my own personal quarantine. This is the worst thing ever. Like, I just want to go out. I would be, like, stuck in Chicago in his apartment for, like, 10 days. But there is something special about having just, like,

that privacy that you'll never have again, essentially. Yeah. Yeah, it's such a unique experience. And what I've enjoyed the most out of all of it is just the relationship that James and Danielle have been able to, you know, have by staying in, you know, doing crafts and like, you know, watching movies and decorated cookies. Like, it's really the mundane activities that were really kind of. kind of enjoying the most.

It's the simple times that, I don't know, they are the most valuable to us and like the memories that I just cherish. That's amazing. How was the first interaction, Daniel, that you had when you met James, and Michael, did you have to kind of, like, ease him into this and, like, prep him, like, okay i have a new girl in my life you're going to meet her soon like how was that full transition and then that initial meeting yeah so do you remember the date daniel yeah it was like the 15th or like the 17th or something like that of july we had only been home for like two weeks or something

like that and he's like no we're gonna we're gonna meet somewhere like i miss you like i'm Brick James. So we found this Airbnb in the middle of like nowhere, Kentucky. And so it was like halfway between us for like driving. And like I pull up and I text it. I'm like, I'm here. And like two seconds later, I look over and there's like this like face like pushed up against my car. And I was like, oh, hi. So he was ready. Well, you know, it's it's it's interesting because, you know, Normally, I would never introduce my son to somebody that early. You know, I described, you know, Danielle at the time as, you know, a friend. And, I mean, I think he's used to being around adults.

He's an only guy, you know, I have friends over. He doesn't, you know, draw those lines. A lot of times, you know, my worries are things that I'm kind of projecting onto him. They're not things that I don't think he really feels and experiences himself. self, which is like if he were to get so connected with Danielle so early, especially after being off the beach in two weeks, like what if it doesn't work? Like, will that have lasting effects? You know, I don't, I want to mitigate that. But I think, you know, looking back, obviously, it was a, it was a great decision. It was an awesome, awesome weekend. And you could tell

him about a dinner that he made for you. Oh, my God. No, it was so sweet. Like, I came, like, I got up there, like, much later. And Michael had this, like, whole meal prepared. He's got, like, steaks on the grill, and we sit down, and James sits down right next to me. He's looking at me. I'm like, uh-huh, hi. And he's like, how's the chimney churry? And I'm like, it's delicious. He's like, I helped. And he, like, tore off all the leaves and everything like that. And he's like, Oh, my God. What a foodie son you have. I didn't know what Chimutri was till like five years ago.

Like the fact that he knows that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's very sweet. That's a really special relationship. I've been like really thinking about a lot lately. And it's like I had to let down.

Michael and I talk about all the guards that we really had to let down with regards to each other and letting like someone new into our lives. I had to let two people into my life. And thinking back on that, like, I didn't realize how guarded I was in meeting James and, like, letting myself love, like, a child, like, in this situation, too. And it's just, it's been a really unique situation. I'm being kind of emotional thinking about it. But just kind of opening up, you know, my heart in that aspect, too. And I love that kid. He's amazing.

oh how old is he now uh six six okay do you feel like because you were in that bubble after paradise and you couldn't be in public especially with james for months do you think that that helped strengthen all of your relationships i know michael you said like when you guys were in hiding like you just you just had to be home like you were home bodies you had to like create things to do together in that space. But do you think that privacy really helped build your relationship faster, strong, and stronger? It's going to make or break it for sure. Right. I think, I think it would have been strong either way because it's a priority for us. I don't think necessarily us having to stay home, you know, was the reason why things got strong. I think it's

because who Danielle is, you know, who I am, the fact we put each other first, you know, and also, you know, James is the center of my life. And so I think it would have happened either way. I also think that we made the best use of our time. It's like with all situations, you can sit there and complain about what you don't have. But then you miss what's right in front of you and the opportunity that we made to be able to make our relationship even stronger. Was there any part of you that was worried that James would go back to school or to his friends and be like, oh, my dad has a girlfriend. Her name's Danielle.

I think this was like the, I asked them this at the ABC event. I was like, is James going around school being like, this blonde woman that you're all watching on TV is at my house all the time? Yeah. I mean, I was worried about that. And of course, if I told him not to say anything, then alarms are going off. And then he's going to say something. So I was just keeping my fingers crossed. And also, I think there was one time, you know, Danielle, we went to go pick up James together. Yeah. Yeah, you're like, put your sunglasses on. Put a hat on. Put your wig on. There's a lot of like soccer moms around here. Oh, yeah. You know, let's not get the PTA on this year. They were hungry.

They're hungry. You got people like slowly driving past your car. Helicoped your mom from above. Did James ever get a wig? Like when you guys would go grocery shopping, did he have a wig too? No. We never really were out in public together with him. We went on like a hike once, but, you know, we're pretty interesting.

That would have been a good idea. That would have been so fun. Now you know what to get to. him for a Christmas gift. He can fit right in with you. Should we put him in like the short blonde mullet wig? I think we have to. I mean,

it's got to be a mullet wig, right? I mean, if you don't, now I'm going to be very upset. I think we need to have James try on all of the wigs. Have you to like a fashion show. See what fits. Yes. This features the best.

That's right. To be inspired for future haircuts. Yes. He's going to be like, Dad, I want to grow my hair out and get a perm. Yeah. I want a man, then. I think me being on this show has created enough opportunities for him to be embarrassed the rest of his life.

I don't think we need to add to any more of this. I thought you were to embarrass your kids. You didn't even have any embarrassing moments. You guys were so good. There was like never. I mean, I guess time will tell. You never know how things age, you know. I mean, I'm sure, like, the moment is, like, if you ever sees you kissing, he's going to be like, ew, cooties.

But we always, we always tried to keep, it's interesting because we always tried to keep, like, the intimate moments and the romantic moments, like, PG. Because of that exact reason. So we never went a little bit too hot and heavy. We're like, all right, like, I'm so attracted to you. Like, yes, yes, yes. James is watching, so back away. Yeah. Boom blue room for you.

Yeah. Oh, and I tried. There's this may be a problem. Wait, Danielle, you tried? Yes. I would walk up to him. And I'd walk up to him and be like, you want to know something? You want to hear like the two hottest words ever?

And I'd go and I whisper in his ear. Air conditioning. Yeah. I find it shocking. They didn't show, they didn't show any of this, but. Danielle was trying to lure me in the boom boom room because they're conditioning. I was like, I know what this is. I said this on a couple weeks ago on our podcast.

Like I find it shocking that no one was in the boom boom room because Serena, I feel like on our season, so many people like the boom boom rooms were occupied every night. Like between Mari and Kenny and Marissa and Riley, they would fight over the boom boom rooms of like which one was better. Like, which one they would want. Yeah, there was one that they both liked and they would like fight over who got it. night and they would legit go and like put their clothes or their toiletries in the room early on to call like claim their space oh my god genius i i know right i'm like damn thomas like we should have just gone in here to like get a little reprie from the humidity but yeah it was a hot commodity on our season and it seemed a little lonely this season but i understand why you two

didn't i understand we also didn't want that aired yeah no i get that was very much my reasoning as well And that would have been like the one, especially for you to, like the clip that they would have kept re-showing and re-showing. Oh, yeah, you would have made the trailer. You know, mom and dad just in the boom boom road. Mom and dad getting it on. Yeah, right. This season, Monday night, 7.8 Central. Mom and dad need a long time too.

Okay. Did you feel like speaking of mom and dad, did you feel like you two were ever in mom and dad mode for any of the cast members down there? Like, if somebody had too much to drink or was going through something, did you, like, pull that role on for them? I mean, I feel like I was constantly being, like, asked things for, like, support. And, and Cheney, I will say is the only woman of, like, the castmates that would come up and be like, hey, you actually, you're doing okay? You feel it okay? like it's okay if you're not like take some space I'm like thank you yeah oh that's sweet she was actually like the shoulder to cry on this season yeah like I feel like I saw her comforting

multiple women which is just such a such a pivot she really had that redemption moment she's she's she's a really great person um she knows exactly who she is and you know what she wants out of life you know she i don't know i i've got a lot of love i mean we both do um and we still keep in touch with her who would you guys say you're closest to um from like your cast whether it was like from past seasons that you've been on or the season on paradise oh i mean like Vanessa and i are still like super tight for my season um from this season i'd say probably um um flow and like just said yeah and like sheney and i are probably like the closest um or like that i still checking on keep in touch with um the great like a lot of a lot of good dudes on this season

i will say very very strong male characters so yeah i mean i i still keep up with people that went home night one from katy's season oh my gosh yeah yeah so i'm i'm still in touch with a lot of people like Andrew Milkovich, you know, Garrett, Connor, Costello, a lot of those guys. You know, I'm good friends with a lot of, I mean, anybody who was on Katie's season that was on Paradise, Justin, Aaron, James, Andrew. Yeah, but I was really surprised with the character of the guys from Gabby and Rachel season, too. You know, they're, I mean, everybody was really getting along well when there wasn't you know a dramatic storyline kind of unfolding and you know sharing their feelings and yeah we're pretty dialed in yeah we saw you guys kind of

supporting johnny when you were out there for the reunion that seems like you guys kind of have a close bond were you upset that you couldn't be out there more no i those chairs are like the most comfortable to They're the worst. It's the absolute worst. My butt was already numb for the short time that we were out there. And it's such an emotional roller coaster.

Like, I needed days to recover after that reunion. It was heavy. He was really heavy. Well, you guys, I mean, when you had your hot seat, Michael, you shared something that Danielle, your reaction

was Christless. was like you could not make this stuff up when people are like oh like things are scripted or like we saw something coming like your reaction to when michael told you that he loved you was so cute so special so you had correct like just correct me if i'm wrong you had no idea that he was going to say that on that stage zero idea she had absolutely no idea he's like i've never said i love you to a girlfriend like in like closer than like three years really two to three I mean, I've only said it to one person my entire life.

Yeah. Like I haven't said it to anybody in grade school or high school. It was just just Laura. And I always make this joke like, you know, the word like I love you gets thrown around all the time. I mean, it does on the show, but just even in high school, you know, like think about all the relationships that I've had in high school where the girl after like, you know, a month or so is like, I love you. I'm like, I'm sorry, I just can't say it. And they just want to strangle me. But I always wanted to say it, say it, you know, and save it for somebody that I really felt it for.

And, you know, I'm not going to share the conversation we had, Danny, but there was a conversation that we had about two weeks prior to that, that just, you know, everything made sense. And she's just an extraordinary person. I always think about this. You know, when they're like, what is love? I think it's when you walk into the room with your partner and you know that everyone's looking at them and you're so, you know, proud to be by their side. And Danielle is 100% one of those people.

It's someone I actually have one, I mean, tons of physical attraction. You're so beautiful. but you're I don't know you inspire me you're motivating like I I'm behind you like every step of the way dude you're going to make us all cry I think Danny's crying I think I'm tearing up I'm emotional you can't do this right now you do it you do a very emotional but like that's why you do an incredible job of describing love like I know really amazing beautiful like strong And I think your words like really touch people like I know Beck and I are in both loving relationships and we're so happy to see you guys have found each other. And it just like your words just resonate so well. Like you're amazing at articulating what is so hard to articulate about love. Yes. I thank you. I mean, obviously from watching the season, you know, I get things wrong all the time and all of that. But it's it's one of I should write. creating cards you know um but but i think i think i yeah right i think some of it's because

you know i felt it and because i don't throw it around like recklessly um that i don't get it confused for what i believe it to be it's it is very meaningful and that's what i think is so powerful is like in that moment and you know i'm not daniel i wasn't the one receiving those words but I feel like everyone watching felt it like if he's going to say this after everything he's gone through he is going to mean it and that's what's so special and and like Thomas has met you like Thomas knows you way better than I do I've only met you a handful of times but we both when we were down in paradise and had the chance to see you both like we left and we were like man like we really hope those two work out like they're so cute together but they both have such big

person. Danielle, I haven't had too many conversations with you, but like, we've, we've DMed in the past and I was like, she's just a real one. Like, there are people that come through this franchise that either want something or, you know, they do it for, I hate to say this, but like the wrong reasons. And you both, I think, have such pure hearts and pure intentions that the fact that you two met and now we're not together, that's just like, I mean, it's radiating through this podcast. But, yeah, that moment. And, Daniel, I loved to. to, like, I feel like you didn't even know how to react, like, what to say. Like, you were just, like, kind of frozen and, like, I wanted you to just sit on that

couch for a while and, like, give them a moment. Like, don't go to the next commercial break. Like, let them have this time because it was a lot to take in. But it was, it was really special to see. I was been waiting for a natural segue for this and I haven't found one. So I'm just going to jump into this question. Danielle, you're moving? I am.

I am. I actually, I had like two interviews today or like chats with med spas up in, in Ohio. And, yeah, a lot of interest. So I'm very excited. But, yeah, just trying to get the job lockdown first. I'll look for apartments. But, yeah, I'm hoping to be up there as soon as possible. Oh, my gosh.

So is that kind of the process right now is like, okay, we're going to find a job, then we'll look for an apartment. do you have kind of like you want to be walking distance 20 minute drive like is there proximity preferences to each other you know for me it's like I want to find the right job and right fit because that's always been really important to me like even as like a single woman you know like you want you want your like security and like that's something that like I always want to maintain and like encourage is that like you know women need their own financial security and like you know, put yourself first in, like, certain situations, right?

Amen, girlfriend. Woo! You see, girls are forced. Totally support that. Yeah. You too. It's amazing. So, yeah, I want to get the job lockdown first.

Like, it really doesn't matter if that's, like, closer at Akron, closer to Cleveland, and then I'll look for, like, the right apartment for that, for that space. But, no, Michael and I have talked about that, and we're just excited to be. you know, not eight and a half hours apart from each other. So dating in the same city, you know, a 30-minute commute. It's a lot better than a flight or eight-hour drive. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And there's, you know, originally we discussed, like, her living really close.

And when she first, when she came a couple weeks from, I'm like, oh, you can live right here, like, right behind me. And then, look, there's a met spot right here. And I'm like, you're trying to confide me to, like, a 0.4-mile radio. You're like, if it works, it works. I mean, it's fair, but I mean, I will find you. Yeah, that's you. But also there's this idea, too, that if she got a, you know, a cool loft or something in downtown Cleveland, it's only 25 minutes from me, then, you know, James and I can have, like, you know, staycations in the city. We live kind of in a suburb, and we can expose him to.

you know just you know different landscape and do all of that which i which as a kid those are memories you're going to remember forever oh that'll be fun for him so was this something like talking about not cohabitating because obviously you're still going to have your own separate units but was this conversation of potentially daniel you moving to ohio like something that took place starting back on the beach or was it was it afterwards once you guys were removed from the show where you were like okay like we can see our lives meshing together now like let's make this change yeah um that's one thing that i've loved about our relationship so much is that we've really taken our time we've um gone at like our own pace not a pace that's being dictated by

the show or like you know people's expectations so the fact that we didn't have that pressure but like it just kind of started coming up more and you know it's long distance like it's either gonna someone's got to move like you want to make it work and with um james having you know both sets of grandparents so much closer up there and the whole family system like it does not make sense for you guys to move to Nashville I had already been like ready to leave Nashville for like the last year and a half two years or so so Um, I was excited. I was like, no, like, this is, this just makes sense right now.

And, um, we really want to make sure and, you know, see if this thing is going to work and spoiler work. Spoiler alert, totally is. Um, but, uh, no, it was really important to me to make sure, like, I had my own space and stuff too, um, because my relationship with James is really important and I would don't want to like just invade his space right away. So when we were talking about moving up, it was always, you know, like, I want to get my own place so that I can keep building a relationship with both of you and not just, you know, be a roommate all of a sudden. So.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, again, another thing I just admire about, you know, Danny, it's, I, it's so important to maintain your own individuality and relationship. It's so easy. You know, there's on one side where to become one in certain element. in certain ways, but, you know, you have to have your own life. You have to have your own passion. You have to have your own friends.

You have to have your own, you know, things that excite you, keep you young, things that you nurture, you know, and you put time in. And she has tons of those. And so I don't know. She gets it. And I can't wait until we, she moves up here. We're trying to, like, figure out that time frame shooting for February, hopefully sooner. But it'll be cool to just, like, enjoy the mundane and begin, you know, building this life that we've just put on hold for so long.

Being able to come over after a long day at work and just get takeout or make a good meal and hang out. Oh, man. Not just have a glass of wine. Get the feet up on the coffee table and just do nothing. It's the best. Yeah, that is a good feeling of not having to feel like, okay, we only have four days together. We have to make the most of every second and just be like, we're just living life together. Exactly.

Yeah. So special. Well, I can't wait to see what all unfolds in this next chapter for you both. One thing that I want to ask you, and, you know, it's one thing to be living on the beach together on this show. It is paradise for a reason. but what was like the biggest thing that you've learned about one another post-filming that you really appreciate about one another or that you hate or that you hate too I was trying to go positive but give us the real tea too give us the pep teams too

you can go first this feels like a setup Danielle's most beautiful she's flawless she has no no issues whatever she's funny She shares the ground she walks on. I know where this is going. I would say, you know, on the show, I think if you're uncomfortable on camera, I feel like you're because you're really in it. You know, you're really thinking about life afterwards versus sometimes things can feel performative as a whole. And we were both very much in it because we knew all that was at stake outside of this. And, you know, a lot of the conversations that we had, you know, weren't aired and we're actually kind of cool with that because those were moments that we remember and that were special to us.

Danielle, you know, outside of the show and everything that you saw in Paradise, she's funny as hell um you know she's she's you know she's the type this is one of the best ways to describe in now she's the type of person that all her friends call like when they're sick and when they need help and all of that like she's the one that shows up um and it's like that's what you're looking for in a partner all the time are are people that show up when it matters and people that answer the phone call when you need them. And she's always available.

I love that. I feel like that's something that you definitely learn after the show too because you're always available no matter what on the show. You're on the same beach together. You're nothing but time. Yeah, really getting off

and seeing how that person prioritizes you and how they treat their friends, how they prioritize their family. Like, that can be so special to see. Like, I know I fell in love with Joe so much more like seeing that aspect of him in his life. Yeah, on the show, everyone's, it feels like not everyone, but it, we're all in presentation mode, you know, where who do we want to be?

How do we want to be perceived? Like, what are the best qualities in us that we want to showcase to the world? But then after the cameras are done, you know, running, your true self comes out. And, you know, I think that's that make or break point in all these relationships. where you can't hide from yourself forever. You know, you can't be in presentation mode forever. The truth finds its way to the surface. And when Daniel's true self was coming to the surface,

it was so much more beautiful and wonderful than anything I'd ever seen on the show. So all of like the great moments that we have shared outside of paradise have been, I don't know, just so much more. fulfilling and great. I don't know. We're in a really good place. I love this.

That's amazing. Listening to you two talk about each other makes me want to just like go squeeze Thomas and Tom how much I love him too. You guys are definitely much more articulate than I am. I'm just like, I love you. Give me a hug. I can take notes.

He is so articulate. I like, oh my gosh. I tell him now, like after he told me he loved me, I was like every time I told you you're my favorite i was saying i love you oh because i knew you weren't ready to hear it yet yeah you're my and that's and that's another thing too um you know obviously daniel and i you know shared a moment on the beach about our past and losing somebody there is it's it's so comforting

knowing that we both don't have to teach the person that we're with how common complicated. It is to go through grief. You know, she gets it. I mean, she's farther along than I am. And it's cool to be able to have this safe place where we can talk without judgment or insecurities. It's just what we have to go through and process in order to become a better version of ourselves. And we have, we, we, we that early and it's I don't know yeah I just blessed because it's it's difficult for anybody to understand how things change you know when you actually feel ready because the truth is you don't until you keep going you actually find that person that you want to be with everything feels unattainable until the moment it doesn't or until the moment it does and so like that that was one of those aha moments for me because

on the show I did question whether or not I was ready but it was just because I hadn't met Danielle and we didn't dive deeper and deeper and deeper into that but once we started doing that it was like I am ready I'm more ready than I thought I was yeah it's like the puzzle piece thing I was talking about like you just found that person that fit that you found acceptance with and that's something you both deserve it wasn't forced no but even with you know finding you know that puzzle piece and that like safety and that like grief is

something that we're just like it doesn't define us and we talk about that all the time but like it's something that we live with and it like and michael knows this like there's different things that have come up even you know it's been 12 years since nick had passed away but there's still things that come up that you know make you feel scared or wonder and like you have to like keep kind of talking yourself through um like what you know to be true like in these moments and like focusing on that um but yeah no it's a really i want to i want to highlight i want to highlight what she's saying here just for anybody listening there is we all do this sometimes where we focus on a part of our life that is least fulfilled and then that

feels like our entire life and daniel actually taught me this where you you know when you feel lost or you don't feel like you have this complete life because there are certain pieces that are out of balance she actually taught me how to you know list out the things that you know to be like you have family you have friends you are supported like you are loved like you are smart like like all of these things that help you it's so it's so simple but it's so simple but when you're lost in that kind of depression or doubt it it brings you back to the truth that you know you're not alone that you have more than you ever thought you did and you know it creates a energy and a sense of hope. Yeah. It helps you not just fix it on that one thing that you feel

is missing or lacking. And I think it's really special that you two have found each other because like you said a little bit ago, Michael, you didn't have to teach the other person of like what grief feels like you both just understand and have, I would say, maybe not like a level of patience, but you have that just like this understanding and this foundation to build off of where you're like, you know, I'm going to have my days. You're going to have your days. going to feel grief different times in different capacities, but you're still going to be by each other because you both have been through it. And I think that that's really special, especially for you to just have going through so much prior to meeting each other. I think

that's why, like, seeing you two together now and seeing this love story unfold. I'm just so happy. I was able to watch it as if you were selfishly, but I can't even imagine what it feels like for you both. But Danielle, what did you learn about Michael or your biggest to pet peeve, if you will, of him. We need to take him down a notch. I feel like we've been building Michael up so much. We've got to humble him a little bit. Y'all, it's hard to humble this man, and believe me, I want to.

Oh, come on. Does he, like, not unload the dishwasher? Like, there's got to be something. He leaves a toilet seat up. I'm bad at that. It does leave the toilet seat up, and so does James, or James P's on the seat. Currently, I mean, in our defense, we are in an all-male household. You are.

That is true. I get it. It's going to have to change one day, maybe soonish, but right now, right now you're going to have to suffer, Danielle. I'm capable of change in learning. I can, I know, I know. He got out of his own way, y'all. He, like, told me he loved me. There we go.

We can't really complain about the toilet seat. She's like baby steps. Baby steps. Baby steps. Yeah, go for it. What are real pet peeves? We've known each other long enough. Well, I hear people ask sex and I'm like, and I feel.

put on the spot and then I can't think of anything it is so hard it's such a hard question but I just have like I have to say and I feel like I say this all the time but the thing that I was honestly most shocked by was Michael as a father and like shocked in a good in like a very good way because like I've seen you know other men you know in my life and their incredible fathers like don't get me wrong my dad is an incredible dad um but actually watching michael parent is like like made me fall like so much more in love with him it was in it's an it's like really it really is you know i mean like oh now here his tears are coming i know she knows how to get me but like kids kids struggle you know kids have some times where like they might feel um

you know like stressed about something or like scared about something and he is like the most calming like validating force and he's really had to be both you know have both you know motherly qualities if you want to call it that um and fatherly qualities like he's had to embody both parts in this and it's just really it turns man like it's great you're like a great dad that's that's the that's the greatest compliment i could ever get and i you know i remember when laura passed away i remember like getting to this point where you know i'm looking at my son's two years old and i remember like saying cancer took so much from us already i'm not going to let it take anymore and so

you know it's kind of this vow and given i have so many flaws i come up short literally every single day um you know it's it's really the effort and the intention that i try to parent with where i don't want james to ever use this tragedy as an excuse why he can't you know reach his potential you know it's like i don't it's it's it's a major disruption and you know that's an idea but the way that that's executed throughout the day is exhausting you've got to be like crazy patient you have to be able to explain things um but there's nothing more important there's nothing i could do during the day that i don't know trumps that um so you know and daniel's really good too she's great at reading books and she's amazing oh i have no doubt

she is an incredible woman to now finally be part of james's life and it's it's really special to hear you both build each other up i think not we don't hear that often enough and so i'm glad that we were able to have you both on to be each other's hype partners if you will um total hype partner i love this okay so For anyone going or wanting to go on to Paradise in the future, what is a bit of advice that you would each give to someone? Hmm. You are never too old. Right. Fine love.

Yes. I would say go in with an open heart and like with, like, with. willing to be surprised, you know? I think there's, you know, sometimes people are trying to control what is really uncontrollable. I mean, you can't control who you fall in love with or who you're attracted to in the real world. It just happens. And so. And you definitely cannot control anything happening down on that beach. Yeah, why try to do it in an environment that's even more out of your control? So, you know, make sure when you go down there, you know who you are as a person, you know, you know what you're kind of looking for.

It's, it's, it's an, you have to over communicate, I think a lot, a lot down there more so. Um, but it's a wonderful experience. I loved it. Um, I loved waking up on the beach. I loved, you know, a lot of a lot of the younger guys were like, we're not getting any. sleep, we're so tired. It's like, man, you know, we just got a solid four hours. What do we have to do today? Like, go to the pool, drink. You're like, I am a doubt. I know what a lack of sleep is. Like, come on. Yeah. Like, I get it. It's exhausting. It is. But like, there are worse things to do. Yeah. Exactly. I feel it. We'll just take that recording and we'll send it to all future Paradise contestants. Yeah. When they're in quarantine. Yeah. Yeah. And drink, drink lots of water. Lots of water.

So much water. Dr. Hydrated. Body weight in water. Yes. Is there a moment from Paradise, whether it be like funny, sentimental, whatever that wasn't shown between the two of you together or separately

that you were like, oh, like, I love that moment. I wish it was shown. Or like, this is something that like was really special that we didn't get to share with people? I think there's a couple. And Michael's going to say, our painting date that he set up for me because we have this we were saying now we are watching the sunset and our biggest thing is like we just don't want to forget any memories because we

know how important those are so we like to like document those and he set up this painting date and I have it it's like propped up over on my wall because I still don't have it framed yet but we painted the sunrise or sunset but one of my favorite moments was I had like almost passed out earlier. I had so much leg swelling. It was unreal. Oh, did you have like the ankles swelling? Oh, my God.

No, it was like up to my like knees. Like my, it was so bad. It was so bad. Anytime they weren't filming, I was like laying down, wrap my legs. They were laying up a wall. But like I had spent like the whole day like sleeping in air conditioning basically to just kind of like try and catch up. and he came up after it and we were just like cuddled up on like the it was one of the daybeds up in like the holding room for like new arrivals and like that little area yeah and it just felt so like I'd missed you all day you know I hadn't seen you and we just kind of like cuddled up and laid and just felt so safe and happy again so yeah that's yeah those are both really good moments like that

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well, we had, we had so many moments and just to elaborate on on the painting. There was a earlier conversation that Danielle and I had where, you know, we were talking about, you know, Nick and Laura and just the reality that when you lose somebody that you share so much history with, you also lose those memories with them. you know inside jokes don't land the same anymore um there's an era of your life that you know you can say that you carry it in your heart but it certainly doesn't feel that way because you can't reminisce and bring it back to life with the person you shared it with and so we were constantly talking about the importance of preserving memories uh you know between us and so we you know cementing them in our

life so we don't forget them and that was just this beautiful conversation um that was never aired i'm actually always glad things are not aired where some people are like i wish they would have shown this i like the fact that they're ours um you know i like the fact they don't have to be shared because everything feels when you're on there you know it's the Truman show you feel like you have to share everything and when you share everything then everybody has an opinion on everything and it's like It's just this pure little moment that we both enjoyed at a time that just felt right. Well, I want to see this painting one day. Yeah.

Yeah, get it framed. It sounds like a beautiful moment. Yeah, and I will attest, Michael, most of our conversations that I had with Thomas last year on that beach never made it to the light of day. And part of me is so relieved because I was like, this was actually us just talking about like real life things. sometimes boring things like that would never make it to TV because no one wants to hear us talk about it but like real life stuff that's so important

that makes it so much more special but like also for you in a relationship it's so needed but yeah it's good that it was just between you and you don't have to open up that can of worms to the world for everyone to be like well I would do something different it was a beautiful moment

and you know we we had a lot of we had a lot of those and you know I everything that we shared on the beach was wonderful everything we shared outside of that has been 10 times better um and so like those types of memories like i don't i don't know we're like she's moving up here it's it's more exciting than i can even articulate it just feels like the begin beginning of something incredible and things are finally like taking shape and that's how it should feel yes you know there's there's more unknowns and like i always end up getting in my way sometimes overthinking things and i'm going back to this

place of simplification you know if it feels right run with it and it feels right oh i love that i feel like the show encompasses so many different things obviously like it's a show about finding love but then there's a lot of other components to it as well a lot of other components that get attention or highlighted which is understandable it's a show but it is so nice to talk to you guys and just like really relish in like the love that comes out of it and like the good that comes out of it and celebrate that and have you guys here today and just see like you know two people having found each other through this crazy experience which is something that Beck and I can relate to, but seeing it with you too, just very deserving, kind, genuine people

just, like, warms my heart like crazy. Thank you. Thank you so much. That's so sweet. Okay. Well, Michael, you've done this with me before because you were a recent guest on Happy Hour. And Serena and Danielle, I don't think either of you have done this. But we've added this, like, little portion at the end.

Basically, we love to share resources. We think it's very important to share it with our listeners and our followers. So I'll start just to kick it off and then we'll go around. The one that I'm going to share this week, it's actually, it's just an Instagram account. And the account is at This is Des or sorry, at underscore This is Des with a Z, D, Z, D.Z. Basically, Des Wilson is a creative director and his account is so cool, so impactful. I started following him. I was just scrolling through, and basically what he does is he reimagines characters from, like, popular movies and shows and places black characters in what was once a white character or a white TV show.

Oh, cool. So basically, like, the recent ones he's done is, like, the Adams family. I believe he did Harry Potter, Twilight, and I think it's good for everyone, but especially, like, younger kids. to see maybe their favorite movies or shows or characters replaced with black characters because that obviously is real life. And so, again, his account is at underscore This is Des with a Z. And I thought that was really cool. I haven't seen anything quite like that on Instagram that I've come across.

And so I figured that was a fun one to share. Serena, I'm going to have you go up next, girl. All right. That's so cool. I didn't know that existed. I'm going to go check that out after. I really want to share this book that I read in when we were waiting to go on Parades, and I can't remember the name.

So maybe I'll send it to you, Becca, and it can get highlighted another time. But I follow this account called black-owned.to, and it basically highlights small black-owned businesses in Toronto or the greater Toronto area. So if you're looking to shop small black-owned businesses, it just makes it really. easy. I believe they have a storefront in Scarborough Town Center for all my GTA listeners. But yeah, they're great. They're an Instagram account. And they just, yeah, you can shop online. You can shop in store. I believe they highlight the actual businesses pages as well if you want to shop directly there. I should really find a New York one now that I'm here so much. But they're a great account for people looking. I love that. Thank you.

That's fantastic. And who wants, Danielle, Michael, who wants to take it away? I have, well, this is more related to health care workers and burnout and the trauma and stuff that they've experienced the last couple years working through the pandemic. But a friend of mine started an organization called Don't Clock Out. And it's a resource for nurses and health care workers that are struggling. it highlights the physician and nurse suicide rates and really helps to provide more resources for for healthcare workers. So that's called don't clock out.

And it's at, yeah, it's at don't clock out org is their Instagram. And I can send that over to you guys. All right. Cool. Thank you, Danielle. Yeah, no problem. And the last finale is Mr. Michael. Yeah, I recently from a friend got a book recommendation.

It's called Blind Spot. It's hidden biases for good people. And it's pretty much what it is. The fact that we all have these particular biases in our life. And they're not truths. They're just things that have found their way into our mind in one way or the other. And this book, you know, the way it's been described to me, kind of pulls that out, allows you to recognize that they do exist. in that if you do want to grow into a better person, a more inclusive person,

identifying them first is the first step. And so I'm really excited to jump into it. I mean, I think sometimes the older that you get, the more you think you know. And you need to approach life with a little bit more curiosity and grace and understanding and realize that the experience that we have as individuals isn't the same one that everyone shares. And so if we're going to do anything, it's to try to at least be empathetic and try to be an advocate those, you know, disenfranchised or those that are disadvantaged, you know, by birth. And we have a responsibility to kind of uplift everybody.

It's better for them. It's better for the community. and the things you learn along the way are lessons you'll keep forever. I love that. So Blind Spot, what was the... I think I've heard of that book, actually. I think I've heard good things about it.

Yeah. Yeah. It's called Blind Spot, Hidden Biases for Good People. Oh, my gosh. That sounds incredible. I'm adding that to my Goodreads list as we speak because... Yes. And I love the subtitle of that, like, Hidden Bias for Good People.

I think it's so easy for somebody. and we've seen it time and time again where something happens or there's an issue and a scandal and people are like, oh, they meant well or, you know, they had good intentions or they're still a good person. And like that can all be true, but you can also still have these hidden biases and still be very ignorant or careless with what you say and what you do. And so that I'm going to suck up on that. Thank you. Well, great. Well, thank you both for sharing those. And thank you to Serena. And now is the fun part before we have you go. You've done this before, Michael and Danielle again. This is your first time, but this should be the fun one. We always ask our listeners to share their rose and thorn. And this time you can do your full entire experience of Paradise because obviously we've seen it all air now. So basically, like your favorite best moment and then maybe one that was a little messy.

So whoever wants to start, take it away. All right. You know, my rose, I would say obviously, It is meeting Danielle and developing that relationship, looking back and seeing how awkward it was for us to finally meet in person. There was a lot of pressure on both of us because we had talked briefly in the past because we had shared this, but we never met. So it was like, there's a lot on the line here.

We could lose each other as friends if things don't go right. like is there that romantic you know connection between us and you know when she came down it was the beginning there was physical attraction and then as the whole thing went forward to where we are to date like we developed that kind of chemistry and you know my my thorn as a whole you know would be you know the I would say probably I don't know this maybe the sleeping conditions of the bunk beds I was on I was on the top bunk of you the guys dorm and there was a massive like five foot snake living above me there were ones falling on me oh yeah it was it was absolutely crazy so that was definitely my thought

Oh, my God. Five foot snake, you had, yeah, I, you'll. Yeah. What about you, Danielle? I think my rose was probably the first rose that I actually got from Michael, and he quoted back to me the song lyrics that I mentioned to him of a song that was really important to me by Grace Potter after Nick had passed. and Thorne definitely, like, I mean, Dr. Carr, Dr. Dom there was like, if we weren't in the jungle right now, I'd be tapping your knees to relieve all the fluid that was on them.

But, you know, you'll end up with an infection in your joints if I do that here. So. No knee tapping. No knee tapping. Yeah. Yeah. My girl can carry walker. Let me tell you.

They were so big. They're like, I don't get it. I was like, I don't get it. I was like, my leg, do not. not normally look like this. Was it painful? It hurt. My skin was so tight and like it was like throwing

the stability of like my knee joints off so it felt like it was just like constantly like this. It was so painful. Oh my gosh. That does not sound pleasant but honestly like and all the stairs. Oh yeah.

Well thank you both for being here on a happy hour. It was it really was such a pleasure to have you both together. You're somebody, you're a couple that we wanted right after the finale and I'm no life was crazy. So I'm so good we got you on now. But thank you both. Yes, I feel so lucky. I got to guest host this episode and be here with you guys today. And let us know when you're in Chicago because I'd love to see you guys. If you are ever in California, please let me

and Tommy know, we would love to have you come out with us. We'll take you out. We have a place to stay anytime. So yes, we're wishing you guys the back. So Danielle, before we let you go, I know that you have your podcast. Do you want to let all of our listeners know where they can find you on social and on your podcast? Yeah. I would be so over the moon. The WellMed podcast, I started to support women and members of like the LGBTQ communities and stuff in health care. It's a very supportive, very inclusive, very beautiful space. And it is at the WellMed. You can find the podcast wherever you listen to podcasts and you can find me at DMLB. All right. Thank you.

And just to confirm that it's at W-O-M-E-D, correct? Yes. W-O-M-E-D. Yeah. Sounds good. Yay, everyone go check her and her podcast out. Awesome. Thanks guys so much.

They're such a lovely couple. Oh, my gosh. I was honestly so choked up for most of that episode. I think we all were. Oh, my gosh. Because everyone kept starting to cry, and I was just like, oh, my God. I really don't get emotional watching The Bachelor. That's probably not a shocker to most people.

But watching their story really just, like, got to me. And the moment with them with the compass and then them at the finale, like, all the waterworks. They're just both such great people. And I just, I love that they found each other and that they're happy and they found love. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I've heard Thomas rave about Michael for so.

long and oh my god they were on the same season I didn't even put that together I was like how did they know each other so well all all from the same season and and like they stayed in contact like they've been in touch like Thomas I think helped

not promote but like back up one of Michael's charities I want to say but yeah Michael's always been such a sweetheart like we've had him on the podcast several times but knowing who he isn't getting to have him on here a few more times and then like knowing what Thomas says about him. It's just like he's just a good

dude. Like everyone that I've talked to about that talks about Michael, like he just has a pure heart. And like same with Danielle. Like she's such a kind person. And to hear Michael just really reiterate that and like say how incredible of a friend and a family member and a partner she's been. I think it's so special. Yeah, it was a good one. And I love having you on Serena. I miss you. I know. I miss you too. It's so good to come back and hang out with you Becca and chat. and reconnect with all the listeners so thank you for having me you know if you ever need a guest host i'm here yeah it was a blast thank you as always you are welcome back whenever you want we absolutely love you and i really just hope that we can see you and joe sometime in person soon

i know i feel like we haven't seen you guys in forever truly we'll plan something after the holidays once everything dies down we'll we need to get out to new york like we've been saying that yes you've been seen that for a year you have to come out i know i know so it's in the it's in the it's in book so we're going to definitely try maybe early next year but yay that would be so fun yeah so a huge shout out to michael and nail for being here and also to all of our bachelor happy hour listeners thank you for joining us every week and don't forget casting is now open for men to date our next bachelor ad i have no idea who it is but if you are single or if you know somebody who is single please go to the website to nominate or apply and that site is at bachelination.com

apply. And make sure to hit us up on social. You can find us at Bachelor Happy Hour on Instagram. And from there, you will find everything you need to know to follow us on Twitter and TikTok. And for all of you prime members out there, you can listen to Bachelor Happy Hour ad free on Amazon music. Just download the Amazon music app today. Or you can also listen to ad free with Wondry Plus in Apple Podcasts. But before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at Wondry.com slash survey. Thank you, everyone for listening. And Becca, thank you so much for having me.

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