Bachelor Happy Hour - Model Chelsea Opens Up About That Hair Convo with Matt James

Episode Date: January 26, 2021

Fan favorite Chelsea sits down with Rachel and Becca to talk about her conversation with Bachelor Matt James on last night’s episode of the show. Chelsea reveals why she felt it was so important to discuss her hair with Matt, and what she thought of his reaction. Plus, Chelsea discusses the drama going on in the house between the women. She also dives into the new girls who just arrived, and how they affected her experience and relationship with Matt.  “Bachelor Happy Hour” has exclusive interviews every week. Watch “The Bachelor” on ABC and listen to “Bachelor Happy Hour” the next morning. Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode. See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. Welcome back. Happy Hour listeners and another week here with so much drama that went down. And we continue to, I think, just like not even see love stories in the show these days. It's all about the girls and the caddiness, which Rachel, I want to take a second to say, like, I don't even want to get into recaps. I don't even want to get into, like, major moments because I am right now so frustrated with what we saw go down last time. Speak on it.

Speak on it, Becca. And I feel like this is the first time that I've walked away from an episode being so disheartened. Like I said, so frustrated. I just feel like I don't like what I'm seeing. I don't like the fact that there, of course, like, this is about sure. I understand that there's going to be drama. but it's getting nasty now and it's getting to be just so dirty between these women with rumors circulating about somebody potentially being an S-4 that could ruin someone's life and on the

flip side we have and I don't even want to talk about Victoria that much but I she's leaving such a bad taste in my mouth with all of her name calling that I'm like why I'm starting to question now why ABC is choosing to show her continuously call these women sluts and horrors and hoes because like this now, these words that people are seen on the screen, I think feeds this narrative of like having people, other women, other men, young people watching the show think that that's okay to call women these names. And I'm so frustrated right now. Yeah. It's more like what kind of audience are you trying to attract, right? When you, You're highlighting when this person has as much of a stage as the lead itself, who are you trying

to attract to your audience? I'm confused. I don't even know who it is. I'm with you, Becca. It's very frustrating to watch. There seem to be great women on Matt's season. You know, Matt's a great bachelor. Why are we giving Victoria so much airtime?

And it's like the antics just keep getting worse and worse. Like, I swear to God, if she would have taken a crown off my head, that body. Boxing day would have happened right there in that room. Like, you don't touch people like that. It's not funny. It's disrespectful. And I just, I, you know, when we started this, we were like, we don't want to talk about her that much. And I don't want to give her that much.

And what I do want our listeners to realize is, most people do seem to be, feel the same way about Victoria. We're all Katie in this situation, right? Like, we're all frustrated. We, I love that Katie's like, Matt, I want you to approach the women, like, take. Take charge and get control of this situation because that is what a lead should do. We don't want to see it anymore. But what you need to notice about Victoria is she can't handle people that are strong. I won't even, no, no, let me not even give Victoria that.

Victoria is not a strong person. A strong person does not bulldoze over weaker people. They don't bully them. They don't take advantage of them. That's not what a strong person is. That's an insecure person. That is what we are seeing in Victoria. It has gone beyond humor.

It has gone beyond antics. It's just downright mean. And I don't want to see it. You don't want to see it. We don't want to see it anymore. I know you guys can do better than this. You can give us a better narrative. There's more to see.

Who cares if we have a boring season? It's not like we have Dear Bennett. You know what I mean? Yeah, his antics were ridiculous. But he wasn't mean like that. You know, it was over the top. It was obnoxious. Sure.

But this is just hard and painful to watch. And honestly, you're not doing Victoria any favors because she's becoming so hated whether this is her true personality or not. You know what I mean? It's just the most. I love Katie approaching her or her trying to come to Katie and Katie shutting it down. When Katie challenged her, Victoria had nothing to say. Yeah. Absolutely.

I have nothing to say. Honestly, like, and I'm all for somebody to like stir the pot and like give us something. it is crossed the line. I am so over Victoria. I am ready for her to be gone. Like, I don't want to see any more of her. And I also want to reiterate the fact that, like, words have weight. And what you choose to, how you choose to describe or use adjectives to describe people has weight. And when you continuously tear down other women for no good reason, just because you don't like them, is not okay. And we've seen it with, well, now the former leadership. of the country where you use certain words and phrases that trickle down and they have this

underlying effect that is nasty and not not okay and like I'm ready for it to be gone like I've never walked away from this show where I felt like just this like sick feeling in my gut that I feel right now when I'm thinking about everything that I watched well so Victoria can go Matt James step up see the bullshit that's going on and like and like you said even like he needs to take more initiative even when he's getting interrupted by certain people like he he of course he doesn't know how to navigate this because he hasn't done it before but like he's four weeks in and like he just needs to stand his ground and and step up a little bit more a lot more yeah we don't yeah like come on let's let's let's create a new narrative here like we dealt with the mean girl situation during

peter's season like come on let's let's bring us something new we got we got more more than this we can do better than this i mean and and hopefully we have a guest on today which is chel who we are super excited to talk about. She had a very, very big moment in last night's episode. And hopefully she can give us some insight on what it is that we're seeing because she was right there, poor her in the mix of all of this. And I don't even, like you said, I don't even want to spend too much time on this recap, you know? Biggest thing I want to highlight is the credits.

That's honestly really what I came here to talk about. The credits. the credits. Did you see the scene with Maggie? Oh, oh yes, where she's, um, the dance scene. Yes. You guys. I was like, oh, Lord, what is happening?

What is happening? This is a sign of the times. Well, this is the sign of the times. Was it a TikTok dance? Like, it was a fucking TikTok dance. I'm mad about it. I'm just as mad about that dance as I am about Victoria and her antics. oh and g now i get you trying to make maggie feel comfortable i get that you know she said she liked to dance

you thought you know what maybe i'll do a little one two step boogie for her to get her loosen up to get her to loosen up matt said i'm gonna dance i even know which ticot dance he was doing i don't because of i don't it's a it's a it was a rap song but when he proceeded to do every trendy move what's the sign of the time what what's wrong with us you guys the proper thing to do and then when he finished when he finished she goes that's all i got that's all you got that's it you were trying to court this woman grab her by the hand that that is exactly what i wrote down she said she likes to dance the proper the smooth the the the the like GQ RICO Swaye move, the charming move would have been like,

let me take you by the hand, let me pull you in close, and let's just dance to the music that we hear in our heads. Hum a tune. You TikTok dance for her. If I were Maggie, I would have said, one of the roses off the podium. Yeah, it was bad. Or I would have said, at this point,

I would like to eliminate myself in the competition. What? I know, true. And I feel like production is trolling Matt. You should have never shown us that. Never. Never. I am so upset by this moment.

I wish I would have stopped it when the episode was over with it. I normally don't even say for the kids, but something in me said, Rachel, don't stop watching. And I regret it. Oh, I can't wait. I cannot wait for this. Oh, I, I am so worried what Van Lathen, my co-host, is going to say. I, oh my gosh, black Twitter's going to be so upset.

All I'm going to say is I thought Colton was a bad dancer. I think Matt James may have took the cake with this one. I could go on and on about this. I was so upset. One other thing that I wanted touch on, okay, two highlights, and then we can get going with our guests. obviously one was the conversation with Chelsea and Matt about her hair we're going to have her on

so we'll get it from her first but another highlight that I want to touch on is the fact that um did you notice okay so obviously five new girls are brought in one of those new girls got a one-on-one day with Matt which you know caused a rift between the women but on his one-on-one day with Michelle

I feel like I saw a different side to him like he was glowing like we haven't seen him have a connection quite like that, I think, with the other women. And so it was refreshing to see, because I feel like now I can finally start to see, okay, maybe he could see a partner here. Yeah. Yeah, no, I agree. He seems softer. He seemed lighter. She seems to bring out the best of him, and he seemed to really be into her, but not just in a physical way. Like, obviously, there's a physical attraction, but he really seemed to be drawn to her. And I think it says a lot that he gave her that

date off of one conversation when these other women have been there for three weeks. So, yeah, if I were the other women in the house, I would be like, wow, this is one we have to watch. I mean, she just came in here and made an immediate impression on him. I like her. Well, you know what? She's a Minnesota girl just like me. So I knew I liked her when she first came. I was like, that's my girl. So, yeah, I actually do, like, I hope we have her on it at some point just because, you know, I love my Minnesota girls. But I like her. with that i mean i think we should just get into it unless you had any other highlights or anything that you wanted to get off your chest i feel like we've ended for a while there no i oh no you know what

this take this moment takes me back to give it to me i'm just as angry as when we had hannah ann on and you said who's your dream person to have on the show and she said addison ray who at the time, I had no idea who that was. And then, of course, I went down and a deep dark hole and researched her. I couldn't believe that your dream guest is a TikTok star. You know what I mean? Like, this ain't, this isn't like dancing with us, like, a TikTok's not even dancing with stars, but it's like, it's not a, this isn't a dance show. You know, this is somebody have, have we even heard Alice and Ray speak? All she does TikTok. We don't know her past 15 or 30 seconds. You know what I'm saying? Like, I was so upset when I found out who

Addis Debray was. That's what I feel about Matt doing a TikTok. I can't get over. I close my eyes and I see him dipping. And he was so proud of himself. He was very proud of. I think he thought Maggie was going to be like, oh, yeah, I love that dance. Maggie was Maggie was all of us. Maggie was all of us. I would have been so disappointed if I was Maggie. I literally was like, my jaw dropped at first and I thought it was a joke and then he kept going and I was like, oh, he's serious about this. I said I would have Matt's back no matter what. I can't have your back on this one.

We'll teach him how to sell stamps. I can't have your back on this one. I feel like, and this is something I say a lot, I usually see something that's like a defining moment with someone, and I'm like, I know everything I need to know about you. Dare I say, I know everything I need to know about this. Because they did a TikTok dance. In all seriousness, he did a TikTok dance.

Yeah, yeah. Maybe for all future seasons, whoever, you know, picks the leads and gets them prepped and ready to go, we need to do like a little bachelor swooning course for these men. Can somebody out there please put a funny video together of him dancing to just like the most outrageous random weird crazy song with those moves. I just want to see it. Yeah, like you wrong, you didn't read the room, okay? The quarantine crew was not in the room. It was Maggie, and you were trying to impress her. And you gave her a 30-second TikTok dance. I can't. And you know what?

And with that, you know, you know who would never do that? You know who would never do that if they had the opportunity? Chelsea. And that's right. It's time for our next guest. We loved her from the moment that we laid eyes on her in the bios. We were intrigued by her. She had a bio like we had never heard from the corporate world to the runway.

Yeah, from the corporate world to the runway. Katie told us last week that she's funny. We obviously know she's fierce. So let's talk to her about everything that is going down up to this point and just talk about the wonderful woman that she is. Please welcome, Chelsea. Chelsea, we are so thrilled to have you on. Again, we have another fan favorite, I feel like, on the podcast today.

So just to start out, but we just want to check in with you. How are you doing? Welcome to the show. How have you been with this pandemic and going from filming and just fill us in on your life? Thank you. I'm really excited to be here and like meet you back. I've already met you, Rachel. Yes. But I'm doing good. I mean, modeling got really slow for obvious reasons when COVID started. So I kind of took some time to go home to more. my mom's house in Georgia, so I've been there for the past couple months, which was amazing and like something I thought I'd never be able to do again in my adult life. So I took a bunch of time after filming and was like hanging out with my family, my niece and nephew, and my parents, and then I just got back to New York like a week ago. Okay, so you're fresh back there. Fresh back. I have to say, I did some digging on your Instagram. And even before the season started, when we had all the cast bios, Rachel and I were raving about you, that you, you know,

are this incredible runway model. And right before you came on, I told, I told Rachel that I was looking at all of your photos and, like, you are doing incredible things. Like, you are just, for anyone listening, please check out Chelsea's Instagram because you aren't just like an Instagram model. You are the real deal, like huge brand deals. You were at Fashion Week. Like, you were crushing it. Thank you. I mean, I'm definitely proud of it. I had some really cool things happened at the beginning of last year. Like, I was on my first billboard and I was in Vogue. Oh, my gosh.

And I did Passion Week for the first time. Like, it was amazing. So, yeah, I can't complain. I really like my agency that I have in New York. And I was booking some good stuff before COVID ruined things. Yeah. I mean, how does one, and this is really for our listeners too, because we were, as Becca said, we were so into you just from reading your bio.

And I mean, I'll admit, I was, until you de-ends me, I'm like, oh my gosh, I have met her before, right? But as you explained on this episode we saw last night, like, you look different from the last time I saw you and then it all came back to me and everything and we'll get all into that. But I think it's so, I just love when people can change careers, you know what I mean, in the middle of whatever it is that they're doing. And you went from corporate to the runway. So a little bit about like why you made that decision. and then how you were able to make that decision because that's not something you can do lightly. And so I'm sure there are other listeners who may be in the same space that you were in when you were in corporate trying to figure out if you wanted to step into something you were passionate

about. Yeah, for sure. I've kind of always had in my mind that I really wanted to be a model since I was little. Like I used to watch America's Ex-Sexam model when I was like 10 and be like, oh, I'm definitely going to move to New York. I'm going to do that. And then as far as my career. Like, I went to the University of Georgia and I got my degree in fashion merchandising. So either way, I was planning on moving to New York. So when I first moved here, I was working in corporate. I was working at a buying office and deciding what products go in the stores. But it was like always tugging at the back of my mind. Like, I was just like, oh, I really want to be modeling. I'm here. And I would try to do it

in my spare time. Like, oh, I'll go to a casting call here and there. So after a couple years working corporate I was kind of just like I didn't like the company I was at and I was like okay either way I'm going to leave this specific role but I could either get a new job or I could try to start modeling and like go full on um so I just quit my job and like you know there's a ton of agencies in New York one of them is bound to sign me this is my thought process um obviously I had some money saved I was like not doing this just blindly um but yeah after a couple of months of hunting and like trying to find the right agency and the right fit I signed with the two agencies that I'm with now and then started working more consistently and yeah I really

it worked out well it seems like it from everything that I saw on your page it seems like everything is going very well hopefully more to even come once everything kind of goes back to normalcy and the vaccination is around for everyone but speaking of you know just jumping in and doing something like totally different obviously you have been on the show now we've seen you for the past four weeks first off i want to say your dress on night one was stunning like hands down favorite dress probably one of the favorite dresses i've seen come through the entire franchise like you wore that dress it was incredible you are the only one who could do that you only one who could wear that dress did you and and maybe this is just me because like i need all the help i can get in

dressing myself was that something like you went shopping for did did you like work with the designer like what how did you find that dress yeah um so i was shopping for a month or so like leading up to filming trying to figure out what i wanted to get in the limo in um and then i thought about this designer his name is akai and i actually walked for him in new york fashion week like two or three times. But he's amazing. And he, when I first met him, was 15. Like, the first time I walked in his show, he was 15. And then, like, he was on Project Memory Jr. He's like a prodigy. And so I thought of him. And I was like, oh, my God, I wonder if he'll let me borrow a gown for the show. And obviously, I couldn't really say what I was doing. But I was just like, hey, I have a

thing. Can I borrow a gown? And he's like, yeah, of course. So I was like deciding between the one I chose and then a couple that I had bought, which I ended up wearing later in the most ceremonies that you've seen so far. But yeah, it was like right before I left. I was like, I think this is the one. And then I got there and everyone was like freaking out over. And I'm like, okay, thank God I chose this one. Incredible.

It was. Yeah. What made you want to come on the show and how did you get involved with it in the first place? Yeah. I mean, I've been a fan for a while. Like I used to watch the show with my mom. Um, but honestly, I really never thought I would be on it myself, but when they announced that it was matching, that's pretty much what it was for me. Like I was like, oh, like, I would actually date him if I just ran into him in New York, you know? Um, so I really applied because it was Matt and also with COVID and everything, with modeling being kind of slow. And I was like, I was also at home with my mom during that, um, during the time I applied. And I was just like, you know what? Like, let's just see what happened. I think that's great

I think it's great so let's get into you being on the show now that our listeners know a little bit more about you and how you you know you got to where you are on the show

last night we saw you have a conversation with Matt which I loved I snatched my wig off just for this interview because the conversation that you had this is a true story I said you know what I'm not going to wear the wig

we're going to talk about hair we're going to talk about hair I we don't get to see well let me back up a lot of the the conversations I feel like we've been able to see in the seasons that have been during COVID have been very meaningful because you're not traveling around from place to place and Becca and I have talked about this so you're kind of left with nothing but conversation which is great because you're trying to figure out if you're going to potentially marry this man or woman whoever's the lead and when you applied for the show you had longer hair And then I believe you cut it off during quarantine? Yes? Yeah, I did. It was in during the summer. Okay, during the summer.

And so now you come on the show, looking absolutely stunning, standing out like nobody else can truly. But you sit with Matt and you're showing pictures of yourself to show, you're sitting with Matt and you're showing pictures of yourself to show what you look like before you cut your hair off. and you explained to him why you did that and how you used to feel before and maybe some insecurities that you may have felt and basically the black woman struggle and I loved that this conversation was on air and I just want to know from your perspective because I'm sure that was probably a little nerve-wracking for you to talk about because you didn't know how that was going to receive it and you don't know how the audience is going to receive it so if you can please take us through that thought process of why that

was so important for you to have that conversation about black women and their hair. Yeah. I just think that as women and especially as black women, like so much of our self-worth is tied to our hair. And I don't know if a lot of people realize that or understand that, especially as far as black women go. And it was, I mean, it was just a really big deal to me so that's obviously something that I wanted to share with somebody that I you know am potentially going to end up with my partner um and I just think also so many people like I like I said I've watched this show since I was younger and there haven't been that many black contestants there hasn't been a black bachelor lead nobody's going on there talking about their

hair journey and I think that some people might have hopefully they don't anymore, but might see it as trivial because it's like, oh, it's just hair. And like, even for a while, I felt like that. Like, I felt like it wasn't important enough for me to bring up, like, to people, or it wasn't, like, a big enough of an insecurity to be, like, valid. And then it wasn't until I shaved it all, like, I decided to just shave it off, that I realized how important it was and how much of an effect it had on me. Because it was just such a liberating experience to be like, I'm going to let that go. I'm there.

And I'm not, I don't need hair to be feminine. I don't need hair to be beautiful. I don't need hair to be, like, attractive to men. Like, it's just, it was just such a liberating thing. And now I feel like I just feel even more like myself, even though I've never had a shaved head, but somehow I feel more like myself without hair. oh yeah i'm tearing up no it's it's really it's it's it's such a they're going to be so many black women who are going to reach out to you about being brave enough to have that conversation

because for our listeners what you don't understand with with black women and the pressure there's a lot of pressure for us to fit a european standard of beauty and that means processing our hair straightening our hair wearing extensions wearing wig and we've been programmed for so long that our natural beauty isn't beautiful and it is. And here you are in your natural state representing yourself as a black woman and showing that that's beautiful and it is beautiful. And I want you to talk a little bit too about Matt's response to what you said because I thought it was great.

Yeah. I mean, when I was showing him the pictures, he's like, I think he looked beautiful both ways. Obviously, a great thing for a guy to say. But he was really receptive to it, and I feel like just based on our kind of upbrings, like I'm from a little suburb in Georgia, and he's from like somewhere similar in North Carolina, and we both grew up in places that were predominantly white. Our schools were predominantly white, so I just felt like it was not. nice to know that he could relate and he also said that he like used to have a furrow and he shaved

it off and that people said that he was more approachable afterwards and it's just like even black men have the same issues with when it comes to hair um but it was it was really nice I loved his his free couldn't have gone better in my in my head when I planned it but yeah like you said I was kind of like a little bit nervous to bring it up but and can i just good about it and yes and and for the listeners too why is also probably scary for you to to go in there and have that conversation is because there is also i've experienced this i don't want to speak for you i don't know if you have but where there are a lot of black men who put that pressure on you as well to have your hair looking a certain way and so you might not have known how matt was going to respond to that and he responded in the best way girl he opened

and I kissed you, which is what you know that means he likes you. When he gives you with those eyes open. I said after that conversation, I was like, if Chelsea doesn't get this group day rose, something's not adding up here. Have you guys ever heard this song, Hair by Lady Gaga?

Where she's like, I'm as free as my hair, my hair. I'm going to send it to you after because I feel like this. India Ari has the black version, I am not my hair. Yes. A moment. Well, and I will say too, especially, I mean, like, obviously I'm a white woman. I grew up in a predominantly small white town in Minnesota. And it wasn't, I think, really until like getting to know Rachel better and talking to you a little bit more about your hair and how you changed it for different shows that I think it's playing along to what you're saying is like it's such a good conversation to have for people who don't even like know what women in general have to go through. I'm black women. Like I hope that anyone watching that conversation last night took something

away, you know, in a good way to be like, oh my gosh, I didn't even think about like how much you do, you know, put into your hair and how it makes you feel a certain way. So kudos to you. I love that you say you feel more like yourself now. Like that's just for any woman to say that, it's such a beautiful thing. I want to know. Because obviously that's a scary thing to share on a date with somebody. You know, you probably don't lead on a first date with that kind of conversation, let alone leading it on national television in front of millions. Was there any part of you, you know, obviously this was filmed a while back, but knowing that it was going to air in this moment, was there any part of you that was nervous or hesitant? Or were you just like,

this is me and I own it and I can't wait to share this with the world? Obviously, I mean, I'm a little nervous when any episode airs just because I'm like, oh, I don't know. I get it. But for this specific thing, I was really excited for it to air just because I feel like I've gone through the emotional work already myself to get to this point. So right now where I'm at, I'm just like excited to celebrate it and like let other people know about it. I'm not nervous about it anymore. Like it's like I can't, it's something I can hide. I just walk around proudly.

It's like, okay, here's my shaved head. so I was more excited for everyone to see it and like I said I used to watch this show and like I never imagined this conversation or anyone being on here talking about it so like all the black girls at home that can relate I'm happy that you know it'll resonate with them and then like

even everybody else like my white friends or anybody that just doesn't know that's just like never had to think about these things like I'm just happy that everyone can see it Can I ask you one more question? Because I just had this vision. I'm such an animated person. I just had this vision that you were just sitting in your room during quarantine.

And, like, were you staring at yourself in the mirror and you just took the scissors and you just did the big chop? Or did you take the razor and you just go back and then you were like, oh, my God, what did I do? And I have to keep going? Or did you just simply make an appointment and go to the bar for shop? Just take it off. I got to know. Okay, here's what happens. I am really bad at doing my own hair.

So I've been going to the hair salon like every two weeks for like I have my lady that I trust now. So I let her handle it. Quarantine happened. My hair salon was closed. I didn't have anyone to my hair. Yeah, girl. And I was just like, you know what? Forget this.

I'm going to shave it off. So I bought some clippers on Amazon and I shaved it off my bathroom with my roommate. With your roommate. Yes. You should post pictures of art. Maybe you already have and I might not know. But yeah, like that's, that's awesome. That's awesome.

Yeah. I love that. me with the back and we shaved it off in the bathroom. Oh my gosh. I would have loved to see this. Yeah, pictures, video footage, whatever you have, please share it with us because I'm sure everyone would love to check it out. So going back to this conversation with Matt, obviously you said he responded in the best way possible for that conversation. But what is it in general that you're most attracted to with Matt? I really like that Matt is super genuine.

And I've said this to him many times, but like he just, it doesn't matter who he's talking to or like even when I saw some of his other relationships with the other girls. Like it sounds weird to say. But you could tell just like how genuine he was and how present he always was. Like I'm sure as you and Rachel both know how hard it is, it must be to be the lead. And he was just always so present with each and every one of us and like made us feel so great. so yeah he just seems authentic and genuine and present all the time and that's like something i don't take for granted i ask all the girls this and you know we always talk about him kissing with the eyes open how is he as a kisser he was a good kisser everyone says he's good i just like want some dirty like juice one of these days i think he's going to go with the general consensus he's a good kisser i just got to stop asking this question Um, okay. Let's talk about some people who don't come across as genuine, since you said Matt is genuine. Let's just take, let's take a sharp left turn. So last week, Bachelor Nation was up in arms. And not about Matt, not specifically about Sarah, but about the group of women in the house, except for Katie. People were team Katie. I have usually receive a lot of DMs about like mess like Rachel are you going to call this person out or Rachel shut your mouth you talk too much it's like one extreme or the other but I received a lot of DMs about bullying okay that was the word which is another word people in imagination love to use a lot but the word was bullying and it was mainly in reference to the conversation that the group of women had

with Sarah. It was like the house versus Sarah. You were there, you were in the middle of it. I would love to hear your take on what happened. I mean, I don't know how long that conversation was. And I'll be honest, it looked bad. It looked really bad. Yeah. I mean, it obviously was a longer conversation and situation than was shown. I mean, it's a two-hour episode that was dated. That was days of what am I trying to say it was days of conversations that happened and it was all

shown in like a 10 minute couch combo I think that bullying is not a word that people should be using so lightly I don't think that's what was happening personally from where I was sitting

I think it was more of the rest of the house trying to figure out what was going on from Sarah. And, you know, we obviously weren't aware of the conversation that she had with Sarah, I mean, with Katie upstairs, we only knew about her interrupting the group date and her feeling like she needed to talk to Matt. So it was more of us trying to get information. I can't speak for any of the other girls, but that's where I was coming from with it. Did anyone other than Katie try at any point in that week when they kind of knew, you know, Sarah was in her head and hiding in her room and potentially wanting to go home?

Yeah. Did anyone else try to approach her and have a conversation? Because I think for the viewers, and at least for me personally, it was really, I think the part that was hard to swallow was that it felt like one against everybody. Yeah. And we did see the conversation with Katie, private, separate, which I wish that more girls would have done. And maybe we just weren't privy to that. But did anyone else try to pull her aside or have a conversation with her? I actually don't know the answer to that.

I wasn't really super close with Tara. So I personally didn't speak to her individually, but there might have been another girl that did. But it definitely wasn't, it wasn't malicious. I know it didn't come off. looking so great on TV. It never does when it's a group against one person, but it wasn't an attack. We were very much trying to attack the problem and not the person.

Yeah, and I mean, Sarah's a crier, right? So, like, it's hard to, when all those people are saying something, and then she's crying, and, you know, it's just, the whole presentation just look off. And listen, I'm no stranger to calling people out myself. I just think it was more of, like, you know, maybe if people pulled her to the side. And I think maybe what was the Nell in the coffin was what's the blonde curly-haired girl's name? MJ. MJ. And I think what the Nell in the coffin

was was when MJ, when she tried to pull MJ to the side, MJ was like, nah, I need a second. It was like, oh gosh, that was it for her. She didn't have anybody left. I mean, I guess she thought MJ was her one friend. And MJ was like, nah, not today. Not today, Sarah. um but okay and i think and i want to kind of stay along this theme of like what i have written down in my notes as the mean girl mob okay not saying that you're a mean girl just there just seems to be it's not you okay so i just want to be particular it just seems that that is the theme that is trying to or the narrative that is trying to be pushed here okay not i'm not calling you out it just Seems like there's like, and we saw during Peter's season two.

I don't know if this is something new. I don't like it if it is because all of Peter's girls seem to get along quite well. But we saw that there was like this mob of mean girls. And it seems like here we are getting the same thing again. And so obviously the drama didn't end last week once Sarah left. We see a new crop of girls come in. There's so much drama truly that went down last night between what I guess everyone's calling like the OGs or the varsity squad versus the new.

girls and for you you seem like you're still a bit removed from the drama you know like there there are a few people in the show who are like very much stirring the pot who are in the drama causing the drama like name calling you don't happen to be one of them but of course like you are part of the OG group you've been there since night one and so what were your thoughts when ever when everything went down when the new girls came in and then the rumor also that was circulating about brittany once she was there. Yeah. So when the new girls came,

I was like, the first thing I was like, wow, what a week to already have a rose. Yeah, girl. I was kind of just like. You could just kick back, sit that dirty martini swirling if you wanted to. I was very, very happy that I had a rose at that time.

But obviously, I mean, just my character. I'm not somebody. who tries to insert myself in drama. I'm very much like, do you? I'm going to worry about myself. So when the new girls came, I'm kind of like, they didn't choose this.

I think if they had chosen, they probably would have wanted to come at the same time as us. So I had no issues with them. I wasn't holding anything against them. I was kind of just like, hey, I'm Chelsea. Like, welcome. Yeah. And that was my take on it.

I mean, I'm not like, I can't control it. I'm not going to be upset about it. I'm just going to keep trying to focus on myself in my relationship with Matt. So there does, oh, do you want to follow? Oh, no, no, no, keep going to reach. Sorry.

So there does seem to be this narrative, this ongoing narrative that there are a bunch of mean girls, which I've noted as the mean girl mob. Not saying you're a part, you are a mean girl. It's just we saw it last year with Peter's season. Now we're seeing it again in Matt's season. and I don't know, as viewers, people aren't really a fan of it. You know, people don't really want to see that

because the beauty of part of this journey is also the friendships that you have. I get it. If I had been in one of the originals and I saw new girls in, that's tough. That's paradise, okay? You sign up for that in Paradise. You don't sign up for that on the Bachelor.

So it's tough to see. By the way, if you're friends with Hannah, please let her know that OG stands for original gangster and not original girls which is what she said I said oh God somebody get Hannah oh geez get it right Anna Anna Anna I was like

who's Hannah I'm gonna stick with Hannah because she said original girls she got that wrong I'm gonna get her hand on Anna excuse me no apologies Anna Anna Anna Anna Anna but there's this

there's this scene where it's you guys are on nighttime portion of a group day and it seems like mj and um is it jacinia yeah mj jacinia you katie are all sitting there and you're talking about um piper as well and you're talking about the women who are the new the new girls and you're kind of like laughing and the girls are you know like mj's kind of talking about you know we're the varsity and they're them and you're laughing and it just paints this whole narrative of like this mean girls and I just like maybe want you to give some context behind what it was we were watching in that scene because it was tough

it plays into this this narrative that we're seeing on that season yeah I mean I'm not a fan of the narrative either and I I really don't think it's accurate I think what you're seeing or what everyone's seeing is just us trying to process what's happening. Like, this isn't the day after we got there and there's new girls coming in. Like, we've already formed relationships with Matt. We've already formed relationships with each other. It's also just a lot, just being in this isolated, you know, bubble. You don't have your friends, don't have your family. Like, there's a lot going on. Um, and we were just, we're just talking to each other like about new girls are coming. You know, It's like a, I don't know, I don't want to say a threat, but it's just like, it just, it was defeating because it felt like we were going somewhere, you know, we're moving along, we're getting a little bit more time to spend with Matt.

There's less girls, roast ceremonies are happening. And then it just felt like five steps back because it's like, okay, people that we had been moved since the beginning went home last week. And then now we have five more. So it was just, it was just a lot. What did you think about Katie's point, though? Because obviously Katie was taking it the way that the audience sees it. And Katie kind of stands up to you guys and is like, listen, you know, but they are here. So we all kind of have to get along.

And it almost makes you think, like, well, how would you feel? It's not those girls' fault that they had to stay longer. You know, I'm sure they would have loved to have been there the first night. You know, they're kind of at a disadvantage coming in, you know, not at the beginning, not knowing what you guys have with Matt. So what did you think about what Katie had to say in that moment? Because she seemed to be the only one thinking that. Yeah. I mean, I don't think she was the only one thinking that.

I think that that was kind of where I stood as well. Like I wasn't holding anything against the new girls. I tried to be as welcoming as I could. I understood that this wasn't a situation that they wanted to be. And they didn't choose it. And again, I was just trying to like focus on my relationship with Matt, what I could control. and, you know, I wasn't, I didn't go, I went out of my way to be nice to them because I'm like, I don't want, I, yeah, I didn't, I didn't want them to feel ostracized. Like, I put myself in their shoes and I'm like, if I came in, it's just, no matter how confident you are, it's hard, it's just tough to come into a group of women and be like, okay, I'm here and everyone hates me. Like, it's just, it's hard to do. So I tried to be, like, I'm like, you guys can talk to me whenever. Like, I'm not. Yes, I was here first, but I'm not like somebody that you can't come.

You're not ripping somebody's crown off their head, right, which is a simple assault. Not my style. Legally is the definition of a simple assault. I just want to put that out there. Which I'm going to get into. And I would ask anyone that we have any guests on, on the podcast, but obviously we have you this week. Victoria? And I've said a lot about her.

my recap with Rachel Priority coming on. But Victoria, at this point, like, it's not even entertaining. She's not funny to me. She's not enjoyable to watch. I have so many thoughts on her, but it seemed like from what we saw, Katie was the only one who had ever called her out and stood up to her and said anything. But watching all of this go down and her behavior just like continuously tears women down over and over. And her actions in her words, like, did anyone else other than Katie stand up and say like, hey, you're in the wrong or you shouldn't say this. You shouldn't be doing this. Like, look at it from a different way.

Did anyone else call Victoria out on any of her bullshit? Yeah, it wasn't just Katie. Like, if Victoria said anything to me or to, I don't know, any of us that we didn't feel was cool. Like, I had no problem calling her out. Which I wish we saw more. Yeah, it just, it wasn't, I don't know. I think maybe she didn't.

specifically come for certain people that she knew would come back you know what I mean? Absolutely. Like she didn't come for me because she knew that probably wasn't a good idea.

Absolutely. Nell on the head. She goes after who she can she can bulldoze over. She's the opinion of a mean girl in high school. Yeah, I don't, I mean, I personally I have no problem with Victoria

personally. I don't agree with many things that she's said and done, but I don't, I don't think she's a bad person. I think she just, she is who she is. I have a lot to say about her,

but I'll save it. So last week, though, we had Katie on the podcast, and we played a little game with her, and she had mentioned that you were actually one of the funniest people that she knew in the house. And so how did you manage, like throughout all of this craziness and the drama

and the new girls coming and people going and the tears and the name calling, how did you manage to still stay positive, still have this funny attitude in such a stressful environment, and how did you manage to, you know, like you say you don't want to like get involved in other people's business, but still stay out of that drama. Because I feel like it's like right now just this black hole sucking everyone in. I mean, I have always been such a girl's girl. Like I wasn't in a sorority or anything, but like my name. girlfriends that I have from high school and college are like the world to me so I'm just I love

hanging out with other amazing beautiful strong powerful women so I was just kind of focusing on that and like us spending time together and we weren't on dates and stuff and just like building that friendship and then I was journaling a lot to get all my feelings out stay sane um but yeah that's I don't know I'd like to consider myself a decently positive person um so I was kind of kind of just trying to focus on myself, trying to stay away from the crazy drama. I knew it's kind of like, it'll pass. So that was my mind. That's good to hear.

Did you really stir crazy in the hotel? Like, were you guys allowed to go outside and take walks and be in nature and get fresh air? The actual house that we were saying out was so beautiful. And like, I don't think they've shown the backyard too much, but it was just like a huge pool and a jacuzzi. And like, we could walk a little bit. And then just the scenery with it being like fall in Pennsylvania. Like it was stunning. So if ever I felt like too crazy, I would just go for a walk outside or something.

But it wasn't too bad. I think, I mean, I've heard that The Bachelor Mansion is a little more tight. So I was grateful for what we had. Bachelor Mansion sucks. You don't think you miss anything by being, by not saying the Bachelor Mansion. It's just a regular old house. The dishwasher doesn't work. The hot tuba doesn't work.

She's called apart. I would have rather been at Nymocolon. Yeah, it was beautiful. But then I would have wanted to leave, though, and try. I'm sorry y'all didn't get to experience that. I am glad to hear that you guys got along. That's nice to hear. We had Abigail on the show, and she said you guys are friends.

So it's nice that there is a friend group because I was going to say, are y'all even friends? Do you follow each other? is the group chat does the group chat even exist does it do you all have a group chat okay she doesn't say well we know you do we talk about it all the time on the podcast there's always a good chat yeah we know you do there's no shame in that um no I I adore some of the girls who who were you closest with

and who did you room with so Ileana was my roommate and she went at the second row ceremony so that was I was sad to see her go and then Piper Serena C Abigail that's who I was

in three who I was like closest with in the house and Rachel I love Rachel too I love them all that's good I mean listen we love to see it

how do you think you would have done on the boxing day I I wait I was on the boxing day did you hit somebody? No. My partner decided to take a knee. Who was your partner? Who was that?

MJ. All that talking MJ's doing and she don't have any hands to back it up. She's all bark and no bite. I'm surprised by that. She does not believe in fighting. Honestly, like the date, we were all kind of uncomfortable with the date because it's like, just the idea of it like, okay, a bunch of women are going to go fight over a guy like that was kind of like to me y'all do that every day that's what y'all sign up for you're fighting every day

every day is a fight not me every day but like physically hitting people and like over I just it was but um yeah mj decided she didn't want to fight and I was the one she was supposed to fight so then by default I didn't fight either

were you happy about that or were you ready to get some aggression out no I was not mad I didn't want to fight I'm not a fighter I don't fight I would have been like who got next I'm somebody

but I'm surprised that they didn't like I thought that the production in some way somehow was going to pit the oh geez as you guys call themselves

with the new girls like which I'm glad they didn't because that would have ended terribly like terribly somebody would have been going to

the hospital but um but yeah i'm surprised i feel like they're pulling out all the stops this season so it's like i feel like that would have been fitting um so so far what are we in week four i want to say what are you without giving too much away but still giving us some sort of tea what are you most excited for the audience to still see this season hmm um um I mean, I'm like, as someone who has been previously in the audience, like, I love for people to see the love stories. Like, I'm excited for the audience to stop seeing the drama for that to go away. And people actually get to see us having conversations with Matt and us having good conversations with each other. Like, I want people to see the romance.

We want that too. We want the love story, not the drama. Yeah. I live for it. Absolutely. Okay, we're down to our last question, which I, this is Becca's question. So I always pass the baton to her to ask. Well, I feel bad.

Do you ever want to ask it? No, no. Like I feel like, no, it's like Becca, it's really cute. And Becca, you came up with it. At least in my mind, you came up with it. So I'm always like, Becca, ask your question. I don't think I actually did, but I'm giving it to you. Well, yes, so Chelsea, we always ask every guest that we have on,

what was your rose and what was your thorns thus far in this season so basically your highlight and your low light that we've seen or maybe that we haven't seen that you that you just really enjoyed or hated uh i'll start with my thorn i think that would be the first group date with the wedding dresses and the capture the heart um because i was already so uncomfortable like obviously I've never been on a date with that many people before it was like the biggest group date in bachelor history um so I was just super uncomfortable all around I'm not like a person who goes out of their way to try to like stand out when there's a bunch of other big personalities in the room like my mentality is kind of like okay well if you want me like I'm here I'm not going to like be extra and try to get somebody's attention so I was just super uncomfortable and then we had to go in the woods and it was so cold and then my team lost and we didn't get to good time with Matt. So that was that was a rough one. That was my thorn.

And then my rose would be getting the group date rose. Like that was a great date. And then I loved having my conversation with Matt and you know, getting the validation and getting that open-eyed kiss. Yeah, girl. That's how

you know he's still the deal. That's how you know. Oh, Chelsea, it's been so great to talk to you. I mean, You were definitely on the top of our list, one of our favorites. And you're just as great, if not even better, in person. So thank you so much for stopping by Bachelor Happy Hour. We can't wait to see what else happens this season, how far you go, not looking forward to the drama.

Are you friends with the escort? What escort? I was just trying to slide that in there, you know? I mean, it's just, it's crazy. I feel bad for her. Absolutely. Even if it's true, don't bring that up. You know what I mean?

Like, it's, it is so outrageous. I don't even care if it's true. It's just like, wow. If that was a rumor that was started about me, and please give perspective on this, Chelsea, because you were right there. If that's a rumor that was started about me, how do you get past that? Do you know what I mean? Like the moment those words are spoken.

you know that that is going to be your entire narrative. Even before the show was aired, you know that that's going to happen. Chelsea, with the inside scoop from inside nemicolon, what happened? I mean, it was definitely a tough spot to be in, especially when, you know, Brittany had just gone into the house. There was already OG versus whatever drama. And then she got that thrown into the mix, too. So I don't envy her.

it was a hard place to be. But, yeah, she handled it like a champ. Yeah, she handled it. I don't know what was harder. Waiting and quarantine those extra days only to go home then at the roast ceremony that night. Or what happened to Brittany. That's her name, right?

Brittany. Oh, well, definitely Brittany, because now it's going to stick with her for the rest of her life. And let's be honest, Bachelor Nation fans and people who are so into the show like that's all they're going to remember her as

and it's so sad. It's like that should not have been any sort of storyline. In my mind like that shouldn't have even been at all. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see next week what happens with that. But yes, Chelsea, it has been an absolute pleasure having you on. Thank you for joining us at Bachelor Happy Hour. Hopefully we can have you back one day. So nice.

Yay! Yes. I'm just. so happy I got to be here and talk to you guys. Oh, Chelsea, I like her. Chelsea was great. And I'm glad, like, I feel like she's not somebody that we're getting to see a ton of up until this, you know, last month's episode. So I'm glad that we can have her on and pick her brain more about what actually went down because there was so much and to get an inside scoop. And I'm really glad with the fact that she can confirm that,

like, the girls for the most part still all get along and the drama can hopefully be left in the past. Yeah, I mean, we'll see. It sounds like there's a lot more to come. It seems like Chelsea stays out of the drama, which is probably why we haven't seen her up until now. And she had this big conversation with Matt. But yeah, she was good about not giving us too much. So like the rest of you, we're just going to have to stay tuned and watch. Yes, I can't wait to see what keeps happening. I mean, it's been a crazy season so far. So thank you guys once again for hanging out with us. We'll keep these recaps. And also keep these amazing guests coming. So keep watching Matt's season with us, write to us, let us know what you want us to cover,

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