Bachelor Happy Hour - Music Icon Shaggy, Plus: Julia from 'LTYH'

Episode Date: May 5, 2020

She was at the center of the drama on "The Bachelor Presents: Listen to Your Heart," and now Julia is talking to Becca and Rachel about her experiences on the show and her biggest regret.Then, the one and only Shaggy is here to talk about his time as a judge on "Listen to Your Heart." Shaggy reveals what he thought of the chemistry between the couples on the show. Plus, he talks about the 20th anniversary of his legendary album "Hot Shot.""The Bachelor Presents: Listen to Your Heart" airs Mondays at 8 p.m./7c on ABC.Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So, Becca, I was thinking about this the other day. I am so thankful for our podcast. And for several reasons, because there are a lot of Bachelor podcasts out there, which is fine. You know, there's enough room for everybody, but they're all different. And what I like so much about our podcast is not that it's just the official podcast. We're a podcast that's always moving forward. We're always thinking of what's new, what's next. We have great interviews with contestants from the shows.

We also have great interviews with celebrities, especially, well, celebrities that are on, listen to your heart. we get to talk to them and we get to have very intimate and deep discussions you know i'm glad we're not doing hot topics because i feel like and i'm about to go on a i'm ranting here rambling but you know we get a lot of questions especially during quarantine there's a lot like going down in bastro nation with drama and and honestly things that i don't care to discuss and i'm glad that we don't i'm glad and i'm sorry for the people who want that i think there are other podcasts that provide it but I love that our podcast, it is what it is. It's rich, it's detailed, and it's forward moving,

which is how I want to be in every aspect of my life. Anyways, and that being said. Ramp over. I love it. I love it. I love when you go off. I just love what we are building here with Bachelor Happy Hour, and I'm proud of it. And I'm happy to have you as, like, my co-host.

I couldn't do this without you. Back at your, Rachel. I'm all in my feelings. It's that, you know, it's that female. So, like, y'all just bear with me because that's going to be my mood from the entire episode. But today we've got so much for you guys.

We've got, we're going to break down, listen to your heart, talk all the things about that. But we've also got two very special guests that are joining us on the show today. We've got Julia. Now, I know you guys have burning questions for Julia, and we do too, and we're going to talk to her, and we're going to try to get down to the bottom of things

and figure out what has been going on because there's been a lot of drama honestly, Julie has been at the center of it. We've also got none other than Shaggy. I'm actually going to have Becca say it because she says it with her Midwestern accent. Becky, who's coming on the show? Becca, who's coming on the show?

All right, and everyone, Bachelor at Bailor listeners, we do have Shaggy. Shaggy, shaggy, y'all, shaggy. It's like when Gera makes fun of how I say bag, it's the same with Shaggy, so, aka Mr. Bomb Baskin. I can't even talk right now. It's bomb bostick.

Shaggy. Shaggy. Shaggy. Shaggy. Okay. Well, we've got him. Him on the podcast as well. We are both fans, so eager and excited to talk to him.

And we can't wait for you guys to see his performance, which will be on next week's episode of Listen to Your Heart. Yeah. Rachel, you hit the nail on the head because when you say the podcast, we always move forward. We're always looking into the next week. And what I love most about this podcast, and especially when we recap, listen to your heart, is that we not only have contestants from the show, but we have these amazing artists that can give insight and advice and background and just more depth to what we're covering each week. Because let's be honest, like, I'm not a musician. So I don't know what I'm talking about half the time. So yes, as you mentioned, we do have Julia. Now, Rachel, I know we have so many questions. We will get into her very shortly because as you said, she is in the center of. of much of the drama that takes place, which, you know, we'll recap that. But I also can't, I don't even want to say his name, because you're just going to make fun of me. We also will have Shaggy.

Shaggy. Shaggy. Do I really sound like that? No, no, that's just not. Okay, I'm going to try to say it correctly, like the Californians out here would Shaggy. That was perfect. Is that it? But I feel really uncomfortable when I say it that way.

So I'm just going to do me, B. F. Shaggy, which, and I feel like he's coming on our podcast at the perfect time. He's re-releasing an album at the perfect time because when we're in quarantine, we all need a little pick-me-up. We all need like just this kick of energy. And he is providing that. So like after this, I might just have a reggae party on my balcony. Please feel free to join me everybody. But before I get ahead of myself, we still have an episode to break down. And we just have to, every week, we just have to start with the beginning because there's a lot to cover. So from the beginning, Chris Harrison drops not only a bomb, but like an atomic bomb, where he's not just coming into the mansion saying, listen up, everyone. I hope you're in couples this week because if you're not, you're leaving. He's saying, you guys are already in couples, but we're going to have you dabble in other relationships to see what might just happen. And so I loved the look on everyone's. face when he mentioned this. Because you, and you know, of course, he saved Julia and Brandon for the end. But that, like, moment before he said the last name, of course, you knew it was going to be Brandon. You knew it wasn't going to be Sheridan. It wasn't going to be Savannah. But the look on everyone's faces, I just got, like, it was so cringeworthy, but I got, it's sad to say, but such enjoyment out of it. Yeah, no, my notes literally say, this is the messy as shit I've ever seen. So then we see the date set up. Jamie and Ryan are together.

Chris and Rudy, Julia and Brandon, which we knew. We knew. The moment Chris Harrison said that, we knew what was happening. So we see Chris and Rudy go on a date together. And I mean, it's totally like a bro, sis setup. You can tell they're cool with each other. They have a lot of respect. They really didn't go on that much of a date because they were in like a stone's throw away from the mansion. I was like, what the hell was that? I love the binoculars. Well, there was one point before the date where, okay, I wrote it down. Rudy goes, before she's leaving and she's like seen Matt work out and like with his shirt off, hanging out with Natasha, she goes, I'm jealous, okay, I have problems. And in this moment, I'm like, don't lose it, girl. We need to keep you here.

You can't lose it now. I did not want her to leave over like having Matt hang out with Natasha for one day so thankfully she sticks from but yes like the the date with her and chris just friendship and it was cute like they both i think feel so confident in the relationships yeah um that i think the four of them with with um uh what i'm like brie with brie and then matt like the quadrant that they have i think that they're set in their relationships they're confident it's good yeah it's cute i thought it was a good it was like a therapy session they were able to talk to each other about their significant others. And that's great

because sometimes you need that male opinion, sometimes you need that female opinion. Then we have Jamie and Ryan on a spa day. So they didn't initially say they were on a spa day. At least I missed that part.

So I'm looking at Ryan and I'm like, okay, Ryan, I see this outfit. It's a vibe. It's a vibe. We're really, I mean, I liked it on them and then they go,

we're on a spa and I go, okay. Are you talking about the road because I felt that on an emotional level when I saw that. I know how you feel about that Roe Slipper's Life.

But I was like, okay, he's got the low cut, the linnet. I just didn't understand until they said it. And I was like, got it. Very Hugh Hefner-esque.

Yeah. But I thought, you know, what I thought was nice is that, you know, it seems like forever ago that Jamie and Ryan possibly could have been

together since they met first before any other contestants came into the mansion. So I thought it was nice to see that they both realized they've moved moved on. It's all good. There's no love lost. And they're developing a friendship. And it was really sweet. Yeah. Which I think goes to show like friendships can form even though yes, like they

went on one date. They had this makeout session. But it's not awkward. Like once you get past that and people are always like, isn't it awkward seeing your exes are hanging out? And it's like, no, not really. Depending on who it is, usually not. No. Yeah. No, it's not. So then we get to the reason that this whole messiness started. This is all for Julia and Brandon, right? Because how else can we get these two together who so badly want to be together but don't know how to leave the people that they're with?

So it was so sad when Julia is about to go on this date with Brandon and she's talking to Sheridan. I literally was like, I was listening to Julia and I said, okay, Sheridan's listening to her, but mentally he's packing his bags. I mean, he was already sitting on the plane, to Austin you know like he's not a dummy he knew what was up so you see julia and brandon go to the roxy and they have this intimate date where there's i mean how romantic is it to write a song

with someone and the and the song that they wrote wasn't half bad i thought it was pretty dang good it was on the fly like that quickly to throw that together with not only like the lyrics but the guitar and the vocals, and I thought it was good. It sounded like journal entries. These were the journal. No, and it was good. I agree, but I'm saying like, they've been writing this stuff down for weeks until they had this moment.

It took forever for them to come back. They knew it. The writing was on the wall. They were prepared for the worst, praying for the best. And I don't know, in both their situations, this is, to quote the great Garth Brooks. Thank God for unanswered. prayers. That's just an allusion to what happens in the future. But, you know, fast forward to then when they do come back and they have, Julia has this like this gut-wrenching conversation

with Sheridan and he, the part that really got to me was him questioning like, something must be wrong with me. What's wrong with me? Why can't I keep a good girl around? Like to hear him say that, I was getting the chills like, nobody, it's not you. Like you, this isn't you. This is on them and it's so sad because I feel like in any breakup like let's be honest everyone that thought crosses everyone's head like what did I do wrong what could I have done differently is it me and you see that with him in that moment and I just I felt for him it was very very sad yeah and then you see like a whole 180 flip-flop scenario with Savannah and and Brandon she's like I'm not going to be your second choice like don't call me sweetie don't call me baby I'm not going to be a backup I

Okay. When Julia comes back to break up with Sheridan, you're skipping the part where she says to him, he's very matter of fact. He's like, don't toy with me. Basically, he's like, don't toy with me. Just tell me what it is. And she's stuttering over what she's going to say. And then all he does is ask questions. He doesn't curse. He doesn't erase his voice. And she says, I don't know why you're being so mean to me about it. What? What? W.T. I will say. So Garrett was watching this scene with me. And he's, well, because he's going back to school. So he's not fully paying attention to the show. He's kind of like off-reading his book, but still tuning in. He goes, she seems manipulative. That was like the one word that came out of his mouth. And I was like, well, kind of, yeah. Like Sheridan's not getting mad. Sheridan's not getting angry at you. He's simply addressing the situation that you brought to him. And he obviously, rightly so, has. questions and wants answers. And I thought the way that she treated him, like, why are you getting angry at me? Why are you being mean to me? Was so off and off base. Like, I don't know. Like, there has to be some disconnect somewhere. Oh, it was, this is manipulation 101. Garrett is right. And this was very, for our listeners, if you're, if you're new and you just are listening to listen, are you just watching listen to your heart? Peter C. of The Bachelor, this is very

Circa, Peter, Victoria F, right? Like, you don't take any blame for yourself, you displace, you put the blame on someone else. And that's, that deflecting. And that's exactly what she was doing. So oh, Julia Sheridan, fine. Sheridan gets in the car, like

you said, I, okay, I have a confession. I told you. I, it's that time. It's that time. I am not lying. Never in my life have I ever shed a tear watching any show of this franchise. I cried when Sheridan went home. Yeah. I'm, and I was like, oh my God, this is so, I can't believe I'm crying. I legit,

anybody, you can't tell me anything bad about Sheridan. I don't want to hear it. I'm going to be as stubborn as I, as I, as I want to with this one. I, my heart broke for him. This man was loyal. He was patient. He was dedicated to her in a way that she never was. him and it broke my heart watching him drive away and i legitimately cried because i could tell that he was trying not to and when he let it go in the car i let it go with him i let it go yes it was heartbreaking and it was so sad i wrote in my notes can we well first of all i really would love to have him on the podcast and get his side of things also i wouldn't be upset if he was on the bachelor we got to find him some nice girls he won't do well on the bachelor let's just call us made a

made. But I just want to find someone nice. Sheridan, if you are listening, I have a lot of nice Minnesota girlfriends who are single back home and they will treat you right, honey. Yeah. Unfortunately, no, please, hit her up about that.

They won't, the baster won't be your place. That's what's so great about listen to your heart because it's about the music and it's about the chemistry and the connection. It's not about appearances in a certain way. Like, I actually like his look and his vibe, but that doesn't fit like the cookie

cutter vibe that is you know, when you're on the Bachelor or Bachelorette, unfortunately. So you know how we do it. We can keep going and going and going and I want to get to the performances because I was there for them and so maybe I can give you some inside scoop

but I want to get your take on the Natasha Julia Brandon situation. What did you think about what Natasha said and her timing of what she said? I think two things in this conversation well in this entire situation that stuck out to me. One, when Natasha, the

next day was sitting down with Brandon and Ryan was there and Julia was there and the whole like earmuffs thing that she had Julia do. It's like if you're going to ask it in front of all these other people, it's going to be played back on TV. Don't tell her to put earmuffs on. Just ask in front of her. And that would have been much better timing for Julia to hear his response and to witness it and to see how he reacts to the question than when Natasha then told her right before they're all about to perform. I think her timing was off. I think it was a good question. I think it was a good question on Natasha's end, to ask if she's genuinely curious, because let's be honest, Brandon seems like he's all over the place. And so I'm glad she asked him, but I wish that she

would have just let Julia hear and see his response. Right. No, 100% agree with you. So that trickles over into the performances, which I was fortunate enough with Brian to be one of the judges. It was such a fun time. Which, let me say, you looked so freaking good when you walked out. Thank you. I texted you this, Rachel. Garrett tuned it on this part. He's like, dang, Rachel's good up there. Like, the way that you spoke to the couples

and you, like, I think all of the judges do an amazing job these past couple weeks, but it was good. It was so fun to watch you up there. You looked like fire. I had a blast. I was honored. Thank you so much for that.

I was honored to be a judge. I was trying to be careful with my words because last time I was a judge, it wasn't well received. So I was trying to be a little bit more, you know, straight line in what I was saying, but I wanted to encourage them because I did think everyone was really talented on stage. So popping off the whole set for that night, those performances at the Novo Theater downtown in L.A., was Rudy and Matt, who I personally thought had the best

performance of the night. They sang Tennessee Whiskey, one of my favorite songs, a song I learned about while I was on next season of The Bachelor. Shout out to Danielle Maltby, who taught me that song. And I think more than anybody, Rudy and Matt perform the best together and their harmonies are the best. They really, really are in sync. I will say. So last time when I watched their performance from last week, I said Rudy's solo show, I mean, it's no surprise. I'm obsessed with Rudy. I think she's by far one of the best singers I've ever heard. But Matt, I will say, really stepped up in this performance. And he did amazing. I felt like last week I kind of missed his vocals. And maybe it's just because Rudy was like shining so bright. But when he started,

I, well, and this is what I wrote for his voice. I just have the word velvet underlined. It was so good, so smooth. It really, I think, started off the show strong. Because you kind of need to set the bar fairly high, especially in the competition like this. And they did just that. Like, I loved it. I wanted to see them perform. If they had their own show where they just sang the entire time caught me in. Yeah. No, they were amazing. And then there was Trevor and Jamie. kind of the opposite end of the spectrum. They sang a song, I'm going to love you, like I'm going to lose you.

I love that song. I thought that Jamie had gotten her nerves out last week, and we understood why she's nervous. We understood it. We forgave it. We got it. And I thought moving forward, she was going to put that to the side,

especially since she has a partner who's so supportive, and she didn't. She was even more nervous. And it showed in their performance. I thought they were off. And honestly, I think that, her emotion is exhausting and I like Jamie it's just heavy it's a lot and Trevor's always having to reassure her and that came out on their performance they did not connect at all yeah I think he did

a solid job of trying to steer her back on track you know you could kind of see her going off and you could I mean me as a viewer I could feel the nerves coming through and it was I think you used this word last week for her it was a bit pitchy for me it wasn't terrible but you could just tell something wasn't aligning there, but I thought he did a good job of kind of bringing a back, reining her in, like, holding a very, like, solid level for that, for that performance, but it wasn't by far my favorite. And I just want her, and I think I said this last week, too. I mean, she's good. She's really good. She just needs to get the nerves out and to have a little bit more confidence when she performs. And granted, maybe it could be, as Chris Harrison said,

one of the biggest venues and crowds that some of them have performed in. That could be it. But she just needs to have faith in herself You know who I thought about When I was watching her? Coyote Ugly The girl, the lead singer I was like she writes She likes to perform with the lights off

Like I felt like if we just turn the lights off For Jamie I feel like she'll be comfortable You know If they let her If she sings Can't fight the moonlight Later in this show

I'm freaking psychic She'd crush it Yeah Okay so then we see Chris and Bree They sing lover Taylor Swift. It was romantic. It was cute. It was sweet. I said all the things on stage. I loved it. Tony loved it. I just have to say side note. It was really cool to share the stage with Tony Rackson and Andy Gramer. I do have to say it. It was great. Rich, I don't want to be a jealous Betty, but I am. I'm so jealous that you were there. How amazing. One thing that I really liked that Andy Grammer called out for their performance is Chris's falsetto is gold. It's so good. When he, like, not many men can hit those high notes. And he just does it so flawlessly. It wasn't my favorite song choice, but I think them together, obviously, they're in love.

And you felt that. And so it was a good performance. It was really sweet. I wrote down what he said when he was like, which also was interesting to watch as a judge because I was there in real time. We have no idea all the backstory and what's going on behind stage. People are crying. people are getting into it. There's drama. And we're just like watching a show. So it's weird now that I see that all this other stuff was happening. Yeah. And they get on stage and there's nothing. Well, that's what I wanted to ask you as a judge. Did you get any inkling to anything that was going on with any of the couples? Or was it simply you sat there. They came out, you know, two at a time performed and that was it. You had no idea of like, one girl's crying or one couple's about to break up or whatever it might be. No, no. That's why you hear me say things like, and we'll get to Julianne Brannon. I'm glad I got that backstory because we didn't know that. Yeah. Um, so one thing I did want to note about Kristen Bray, because they are just so sweet. When he said, quote, I would tell my dad that I met the sweetest woman in the world and I think that she's perfect for me. Um, because he shares that he had lost his dad. I thought that that was so beautiful. I just, I wrote it down and I even round it so I could get the exact quote. Love it. Yeah. Um, so Julian and Brewery and Brandon. You know, that's what, that's where we need to get to. That's the T. So Julia and Brandon get on stage. Now, you saw my, my, I said it was like karaoke. In real life, they booed me. Really? And Julia encouraged it. So what I have been itching to tell you, Becca, is that I

knew, so I didn't know the backstory behind it, but you realize I saw Julia and Brandon perform together. So I have been curious this whole time, how does he get from Savannah to Julia? Because what I watched months ago was those two together. And I remember watching and Tony said the same thing. Tony said they seemed like they were fighting and it did. It just was like she was pulling so much for him and he was just doing his own thing playing. They did not seem together at all. So now to see the background of it, I'm like, I get it. It was off. Disconnect comes from. Well, and that's one thing that I wrote in my notes, it felt like they don't match when they're performing and that like it was just being forced. Like it seemed it just, me as the viewer for the 30 seconds I saw of it, it just

it wasn't in sync. Yeah. Simple is that. I thought it was an interesting song choice. We belong to the night. We don't belong to anything together. He didn't really know that song. I was like, come on, buddy. I'm not in a Brandon as a performer. I'm just not. Well, and I'm, yeah, I think out of, and this is me just and my preference to what I listen to, I think out of the group, he's maybe one of the weakest singers. I think, I know I'm being, it's my personal bias because of just how he's been in the show. Like, it's like, I can't, I'm just being honest. I'm being so biased because of how he's been. They end the show with Natasha and Ryan and they sing, you are the best thing, which is one of my favorite, it's one of my favorite songs.

So I was already sold just by the song. choice in general. Yeah. And it brought us to our feet. It was such a fun song. This song choice, Ray Lamonting is such a better fit for Ryan. I mean, last week when him and Natasha performed and it was to Rihanna, it was so off for him. It didn't feel like him. And so when they, I'm so glad that they picked this song because he now in my eyes kind of stepped it up a little bit more. I know last week, Jason Mara said Natasha could, like, sing circles around him and would just take off, which, of course, yes. I mean, she is incredible. She's just like, she has like these powerhouse lungs. I don't know where it comes from. But this, I think, was so much better geared towards him.

So I'm glad that they chose this one. Now you see why I've been like, I love Ryan, I love Ryan, because this is the performance that I saw from him. And it was even better live. So I've, I didn't see the other, you know, the other songs he was singing. So this, this was more as fit. Andy Grammer actually even said it didn't play. He said, Ryan, do you feel more comfortable singing in front of the guitar? Because I felt like you came alive when you had the guitar in your hands. And he said, yes, I'm used to sing with the guitar. So Andy kind of caught on what his vibe is.

It was good. I think performance-wise, it was good. It was a great song choice. And maybe it's because we do see the backstory. But even compared to like Bree and Chris and even some of the other couples, I don't know. how long the last outside of this as a couple in a relationship?

No, no, no, Natasha and Ryan compared to the Chris and Breeze of this. I will say, I know last week I said that she seems very professional in their relationships and like she's putting on a performance. This week I did feel like they had more of a connection.

And I'm not based on the performance, just how I saw them move about in the house. They do really seem to like each other. They're just like real chill. So yeah, I saw more of a progression in their relationship. But we've already teased at the top of the show that we have two guests, got Shaggy, and one of them is Julia. And so Julia has been at the middle of a lot of drama, whether it's with Savannah, another woman in the house, whether it's between the love

triangle she has with Sheridan and Brandon. There's just a lot there. And Julia is honestly one of my favorite female voices in the house, one of them. But then it's hard to ignore everything else that's going in the house. So I want to discuss Julia for a bit, Becca, before we bring her on, because we're going to have her on in just a moment. But there's certain things that are just like hard for me to ignore when it comes to Julia because I do understand. And that's why I'm eager to talk to her. I know that there's always another side to the story. And I want to give her the opportunity. And I know you do too, the opportunity to talk about that. But there's so many things. She speaks in such exaggeration that it bothers me. People are mean. They're a bully. They're disingenuous.

It's just everything is just so exaggerated that it's just hard for me to see any other side of her. And I'm curious as to how you feel. Well, so here's the thing. And people, I know it seems like we're just ragging on Julia. We're not trying to. We're simply giving our opinions and what we're seeing week by week in this show. And if you don't agree with us, that's totally okay, you don't have to, but this is how we feel. And I think people and us included need to remember there's so much that we don't see. Like, we literally only see two hours every week of what's being filmed 24-7. All right, Rachel, so of course, I mean, Julia has been the center of most of the drama. So we just need to hear it from her first. I think we need to get her side of things.

So without further ado, everyone, please welcome Julia. Well, hi, Julia. How's it? going. Hi. Good. How are you guys? Thanks for having me. Well, thanks for joining. We're good. We're happy to have you on the show. Yeah, we are because, you know, we've watched the past couple episodes back. And of course, we have many questions. You have unfortunately been part of some of the drama. So we're happy to have you on to get your side of things. I was just telling Rach, there's, when you go into filming, what we're seeing as viewers is only two hours once a week of what's being filmed 24-7. So there's so much back-end that we, as the viewers aren't privy to see. And so, of course, we want to get your take on everything.

But to start things off, before we get into all of that, how have you been doing holding up during quarantine? I mean, it's been affected by the last two episodes, but I'm doing, I'm doing okay, you know, I'm hanging in there. It's best you can. I mean, quarantine drives everyone crazy, and I'm sure it's not easy. Trust me, I know it's not easy watching yourself back week after week. Um, and so, with no social release to, uh, yeah, exactly. Well, um, I mean, your voice is fire, Julia. Thank you. It's one of our favorite voices. It's one of our favorites. When you sang with Sheridan, um, when you did the radio day, it sounded like y'all were like, it was a track playing. You have a beautiful voice. Julie, I did say this on one of our episodes a couple weeks ago.

I don't know. I, I don't know why I expected this when you sang. I was like picturing, because I felt like you were so poised, like some operatic vocals to come out. And when you sing, I was so blown away, but in the best possible way, I just wasn't expecting it. And when I was watching you in that first performance at the radio station, I was like, dang, she's got vocal. She's got some lungs. Thank you. I'm just very told us of anyone who can sing. No, because you hear so many people sing. And it wasn't until that moment that we were like, oh my gosh we haven't heard julius sing yet because we would remember that yeah it was really good thank you thank you so much it means a lot so starting out how was i mean overall

between all of the drama and the performances and still being able to showcase yourself and your performances to the world like what was your overall experience and takeaway from being on listen to your heart i loved being on listen to your heart you know i made what I believe to be lifelong friends there, you know, and I am saddened that the drama that I was involved with kind of overshadowed probably what, you know, America perceived as the vibe at the mansion, you know, like you said, you only get to see, you know, two hours or one and a half hours of commercials of what happened over the course of a longer stretch of time. And, I mean, it was a mansion filled with super talented musicians and all just hoping to fall in love and find their path to their dream.

Before going on, were you a fan of The Bachelor and Bachelorette? Have you seen any episodes or did you just go in totally blind? So I grew up kind of watching with my mom. I actually remember watching Tristan's season of The Bachelorette. Oh, yeah, the first one. Yeah. And then I fell out of it. I didn't stay on top of it.

But then when this show came to light for me, I binge watched Bastard and Paradise in the last couple of seasons of Bachelor and Bachelor. You kind of knew what we're setting yourself up for getting into a little bit. Which I think they have hurt me in the long run because I assumed it would be like Bachelor in Paradise. So when we were told you're now coupled up and this is it, I was like, oh, okay, this is different than what I expected.

Yeah. And that's something Rachel and I was just going to say, that's something that we have talked about. I mean, we haven't, the fact that like this upcoming episode when Chris comes in and he's like, hey, you guys are already in couples, but now we're going to stir the pot and put you in different couples. Like, we've never seen anything like that happened on the show before. So, I mean, it was something new for us all.

Yeah. I feel like the cast was entirely on edge. every single day because it was just like a new twist. You know, I think you can have a game plan when you, like people could have a game plan when they go into any of the other shows. But we were seriously, truly going in aligned. And so I think it definitely heightened, certainly my stress level. Well, I think that that's why it's a favorite of ours.

I mean, I didn't watch The Bachelor, Bachelor, Bachelorette prior to being on the show. and what I love so much about listen to your heart is that it's off the beaten path. So every week, we have no idea what to expect, and that's what makes it so intriguing. And it's honestly, it might be my favorite Bachelor franchise show, to be honest. But you said something that stuck with me. You said that when Chris Harrison came in and said, this is it, and you're coupled up, it was kind of like, whoa, as if maybe you thought it is like Bachelor in Paradise, and I can test the waters more.

So at that point when Chris Harrison said that, you were coupled up with Sheridan. So I want to go back, like night one. You meet Sheridan. You talked to Brandon. There was obviously interest between both of them, but you ultimately ended up settling with Sheridan. So what was it about Sheridan where you were like,

you know what, this is where I'm going to start or plant my roots, with lack of better words. To be honest, Brandon reminded me of every guy I've ever done. dated and that's been unsuccessful. So I kind of, there were red flags from the beginning for me with him. So I kind of pushed it away, even though there was that initial spark. Sheridan and I off the bat had this amazing and really genuine deeper connection. And I knew he was the kind of man that I should have in my life. It doesn't necessarily always.

mean it's the man that you you know it's it's so hard it's been so hard for me to watch it back honestly but I I was happy to be with Sheridan I just also had this connection with Brandon that I wasn't quite willing to give up because it had only been you know eight whatever days at that point and I did have I wasn't the impression that we would be still exploring those options and yeah looking back now and, you know, hindsight is always, what is it, 50-50? 2020, whatever they're saying. 2020, 2020, because you're seeing it.

22, oh, thank you, Rachel. I'm so bad when it comes to remembering anything. But in hindsight, do you at this point regret not choosing Sheridan at the end of it? Yeah, absolutely. And I hope he hears this because I absolutely regret not choosing him. And I think the stakes were so high. You know, in addition to being there to find love, we were all dreamers that were there to achieve a dream.

And I think when I heard, like, you have to couple up. I honestly panicked. I was like, well, shoot, I better make sure who I'm with is the right person. That didn't mean that I went about it the right way at all. I certainly did not. But my way of going about it also didn't mean that Sheridan wasn't the right person. It's hard when it's not only you focused on the guys, but that other girls are focused on the guys as well. And that's something that Rachel and I, as the leads, as the bachelor's, didn't have to deal with because there was no other distractions.

And we were free to go about and explore those relationships for as long as we wanted. Here, you have to couple up. And that's it. And that's the couple. yeah certainly up the stress level i think in the house especially for me you know i lead with my emotions that is not always a good thing um i am an open book i i did stay even brutally honest with sheridan at every point i told him that i still had feelings for brandon um and it breaks my heart that people think that my connection with him on stage was disingenuous ironically

because that is actually where Sheridan and I connected the most was through the music. And that was actually the most beautiful part of this experience for me was, you know, Sheridan and I always say that we would have never met at a bar. Like he and I would never have gone up to each other at a bar. So we would have only met through an experience like this and playing music together. Deep in that connection for us, you know, you didn't get to see on our date. We sat on the couch and prepped the song that we sang. but we also sat and jammed to other music and harmonized together and really beautiful moments

like that didn't air. But that doesn't mean that they weren't there and they weren't real. So I guess, Julia, you say now that you hope that Sheridan hears what you're saying and, you know, you've kind of changed your mindset. And I want to give you the opportunity to speak towards this. Why is that? And the reason I'm saying, why is? that is because is it because you tried it with Brandon and it failed so you know it didn't work there? Is it because time? Like why are you so matter of fact now? Because I think the easy answer for the audience would to be or to think is oh yeah, of course you think that because it didn't work out with Brandon. But why is that? Like if Sheridan were listening right now,

Why is it? We talked all the time after filming. We did. I reached out to him and I was reminded of the true connection that we had while there. And unfortunately, since the most recent episodes have aired, that has kind of ceased for now at least. But I think it's a multitude of reasons. I knew, and I did say this in my ITMs, too, that, like, Sheridan was the type of man that I would marry.

He is so genuine and has an amazing heart and saw me for, you know, probably saw what I could be too at a time when I wasn't my best. So, you know, it's been hard to realize that I threw that away. So, and it has nothing to do with, you know, Brandon, falling through with Brandon, you know, had I, oh, yeah. No, I mean, I think your emotion is real. And I, I told Becca before you got on here, I legitimately cried when Sheridan left.

So it's actually nice to hear that what we saw was really how he is. And I, honestly, Julia, I feel like you made a mistake that a lot of women and men make. I'll just be honest with you. You know, it's like, yes, you were at the center of a lot of drama. Yes, we can get into that. But just talking about what you're talking to now, and Becca, I would love for you to speak to this too.

I know at the end of my Bachelorette journey, I was stuck with the guy that I was used to dating and the guy that I didn't think I deserved because I was used to dating a certain type of man. And it sounds like that's the dilemma that you were in. And maybe we have, as Bacheloretts, have a little bit more time to explore that, that you didn't. And so maybe you didn't make the best decisions going. You tried it, but then you still need to explore the other relationship to figure out what you really wanted.

And I don't think that that's wrong. And it's actually refreshing to hear you say that because you're not alone. We all do that. It took me until I was in my 30s. I always say that my now husband, who I met from the show, I never would have been ready for him, even three years, even two years before I went on the show. You know, so it's all that timing. Yeah. Well, and Rachel, as you said, we've all, like, let's be honest, we're human.

Everyone has gone back to an ex that they know is bad for them. Everyone has been drawn to that bad boy or that bad girl that they know isn't necessarily going to be lasting. but we all do it because it's just in our nature, I think, and it's, you get to a certain point, and Rachel, you said, you know, you just needed time and to grow up a little bit. And for me, like, before the show, I was there, I went back to this X so many times you couldn't even count. Every time it was like, oh, my family was like, are you going to do it over and over and when is it going to end? Like, we've all done it. We've all felt that heartbreak. And I think we all get to a point in our lives where we're like, we can't keep doing that same thing over and over. And Julia, it sounds like, from

from what you experienced through the show and between Sheridan and Brandon and now even just watching it back, you know, in a new viewpoint with a new view and new eyes, maybe that's, maybe this is your moment where you've realized that. But going and speaking to Sheridan when you speak so highly of him and how Rachel said she cried when he left, he made a really good point. And I don't know if this is going to be too hard to hear, but he did say like, you know, she's always gone for the wrong guys and the bad guys and I would be different. And to hear him, I think he just had more insight maybe to the relationship and what he could provide to you. But that just shows the heart and the head that he has on him. And he did seem like a solid dude.

So we, of course, were sad to see him go. But, and who knows what would have happened? Maybe. I mean, do you think, like, had you chosen Brandon earlier on and not Sheridan, and do you think you guys would have made it further in the season? No. Brandon sucks, Julia. Brandon sucks. I mean, there's no way around it. He sucks. I think, yeah, I did not appreciate the way, um, and especially watching back now, I'm like, girl, wake up. Like, do you hear the way he talks to you, you know? Um, so I actually think, and I had said, I actually said this, morning Sheridan got a day card. I was like, I'd really love a day card because I already know

I have something so solid with Sheridan. I'd love to go on a date with Brandon to see kind of like how that goes. And I think because that didn't happen that way, it was this gnawing like feeling at me. Quite frankly, my heart and I have lost sleep over this. My heart breaks because I think had Sheridan and I stayed together through it, we could have taken it all the way. I do believe that i think musically we just so fit um well together and we worked well together um and yeah it's heartbreaking for me and for me to think of him feeling that too i agree with you i think y'all could have gone all the way too i want to get into you know talking about brandon uh that the day that after Sheridan and Savannah left. And it was you and Brandon free to now kind of explore what you guys

could be. And he's calling you babe and sweetie, which we saw he did the same to Savannah. Was he ever up front in those moments with you of like, yeah, I tried to get Savannah back. I told her, I went on the state with Julia, wanted to work things out with Savannah. Like, did he, was he ever fully honest with you in that moment? No. And I think that, you know, I can't fault Brandon for being torn because I was torn. But I can say that he, you know, much like I should have perhaps taken out my frustrations, I took them out on the wrong person and I took them out on Savannah. I should have taken them out on Brandon. He should have been more upfront with both me and Savannah. And that was that was actually why I kind of spiraled, not kind of. I totally spiraled because when Savannah and he coupled up originally, he didn't then circle back and have any kind of conversation with me. So that was really disappointing.

And he continued to kind of play those games even after Savannah was gone. Yeah. So we've seen Natasha tell you in this episode that he basically says to Savannah, if you want to make this work, then I will choose you and make this work. And I agree her timing. It wasn't the right time. But I know you were very bothered by the timing of her saying that. You didn't believe what she said to you.

And you even referred to her as mean and as a bully. Now knowing what you know, what do you think about the information that Natasha presented to you? I still feel like her timing was way off and out of line. I think that was the problem with Natasha in general in the house she had information that she shared kind of just so she just dropped these bombs out of nowhere

and we were having such a great day at the Novo everyone was doing sound check and we're being judged on our chemistry and she kind of just threw this wrench in there so I think I would have taken it better had she done it right when she learned the information. Well, so which leads me to ask you, we see the part where Natasha tells you, you know, okay, earmuffs, cover the ears. I'm going to ask Brandon a tough question. Yeah. And then she goes

on to say, you know, if Savannah would have said, would you be with her? And he goes, yes. Do you just wish at that moment, well, two things. A, you would have just listened in at that moment and not thrown on those earmuffs and be, what were you thinking? Yeah. I would not have put my earmuffs on. I would have been. I'm so curious. But do you think had you had you not had the earmuffs on, would it have changed going into then that performance with Brandon? Do you think maybe you would have sent yourself home? Like, how do you think that would have played out? Yeah. I have no idea why I put earmuffs on. I think at that point, I was so emotionally beaten down. I could tell that Brandon was like, we were inviting. As soon as the next morning came, I knew something was off.

And I just, I think that's why I was so defeated and I put the earmuffs on. I, that damn, another bad choice by me. But I don't, honestly, I wanted to go home many times after that. I knew that Brandon was mistreating me. I knew that we didn't work well together. And I felt like the second choice. And I, you know, it was a difficult. last few days there for me. It really was.

Man, Brandon. I think you put, I think you hit the knell in the head. I think you put earmuffs on because you didn't want to hear it. Like you knew it, but you just didn't want to hear it at that point in time. It's interesting. I'm going to be honest with you, Julia. I had a whole list of questions to ask you about like what we've been watching what we've seen but you've really come into this interview and you're like basically i get why people say what they say you know i get by people why people perceive what they perceive but and and you own up to the things that you said did but there's this whole other side where you're like this is why i did it and i'll be honest it makes sense

you know, do I agree with certain things that were done or said? No, but I think that it takes a really big person to say, listen, I fell into the trap of what is Brandon, that type of guy. And at the end of the day, I should have been, you know, with the Sheridan. And going into what Rachel said, I think, again, as a viewer, it comes off and from what I'm watching that you're kind of casting the blame on others, that you're not taking full responsibility. But I think now speaking to you, and that's why I'm really glad that we have you on, is we can hear your side of why you were thinking a certain

way. And I think, like I said, hindsight is 2020. You've watched it back now and you're learning and you're growing and you're realizing, okay, like, it takes two to tango in a relationship. Everyone makes mistakes. You know, you've made mistakes. Brandon's made mistakes. And so at least now you're kind of learning and adapting to that and growing. And I can only imagine it hasn't been easy getting to this place. Yeah. It's been really hard. I didn't anticipate, honestly, like, even when I say the sassy things that they

played and everything, like, I never imagined it would come across as the, like, I cringed. I have been mortified. This is the first time I've been out of pajamas and days. And I have been hard. heartbroken, you know. I definitely didn't come across the way that I think I live my life. So it's been heartbreaking. One thing, so I was at your performance and I didn't even know the background of you and Brandon. So it's actually been interesting to watch it back because I'm watching it. I'm like, wait a minute, who's Savannah? Because I watched, and I can't tell Becca of this

because I can't talk about what I've seen. And I'm like, I watch Julia and Brandon performance. So how did they get to this point? And if you remember my critique, I was like, oh, something seems off. It doesn't seem right. And something you said, which I think you would, we now see the backstory. So yes, something was off. But you made a statement after your performance and you told branding, you said, I feel like you abandoned me on stage. What did you mean by that?

so when we were in sound check he did the same thing like he treated it like a solo performance and that was not what we were there to do uh he wasn't connecting with me he wasn't looking at me uh and so after the sound check i said like you can't do that you can't leave me out there out to dry uh and he did when we got on stage he treated it like a solo show And it didn't feel good at all. And that was the moment where I was like, I had been fighting for it because I had made the decision. I was like, I wanted this to see if this could work. I'm going to fight for it.

And that was the moment that I knew the fight was over. That wasn't it, Julia. The moment was when you were performing on stage, you turned to him and he looked at you like this while he was singing. And you said, that's it. No, he made that iconic face, that infamous face that we've seen and you were like, this ain't it. We're sharing it. I will say, like, even before the judges gave their feedback for your performance, I wrote

in my notes that he doesn't make eye contact with you. He's not even looking at you. And that's the one takeaway I got from that. And I'm glad that I wasn't the only one to pick up on that. Because one of the things he said to me when I said, you have to, like, connect with me. He said, you know, just touch me to remind me that you're there. You're like, don't your eyeballs work. I'm right here.

I'm kidding with you. I will say you dodged a ball. I think you guys, there's something about Brandon. I don't know. I'm not the biggest fan of him. Bye, by Brandon. That's all I can say. Yeah.

Yeah. Me too. I think that, you know, it's, like, we've critiqued the show, we watch the show, and one thing that we try not to do when we watch it is like, we've both been on the show, we've been on the bachelor, we've been on bachelorette's. Listen to your heart is something totally different, as we talked about at the top of the interview with you. But one thing Becca and I try to do when we critique the show and we podcast is we don't want to assume certain things. Like, oh, that happened when I was the bachelorette because it's a totally different.

season, different contestants, different stories, different people. But sadly, what happens is that we critique the show. We haven't been like, well, like we talk about you. Oh my gosh, Julia has the best voice. Oh my God. What the hell is Julia doing right now? Why is she talking to Savannah like that? Like to be honest, whatever. Yeah. But we never take it to a point where we're bullying or encouraging people to do that. And what's so unfortunate about this experience is that, when you're filming a reality TV show, it's hard. There's so much that is unexpected. You think you know, but you have no idea.

And it definitely comes off harder than people actually, you know, expect it to be. And the internet is a brutal place. It can take you up so high and then it can bring you down so low. And I do understand the whole aspect of if you're going to accept the praise, you have to accept the criticism. But that doesn't mean that you have to accept people attacking you and coming at you. And especially when they don't really know you, they only know a version of you, as Becca said, that they've seen for an hour and a half to two hours every week. And Becca and I have experienced that. And unfortunately, you've both gone through that. So I'm personally,

and I know Becca does too, we want to ask you how you've been and how you've been handling it because we understand it's a lot. Well, thank you for having me today because it's first time that I've actually like been able to get my act together um since all of this started I um have these have been like some of the darkest days honestly um I just have felt so misunderstood and uh you know I've been attacked online and I have never experienced cyberbullying to this level and I'm not sure if it's because of COVID-19 that people feel like they they have all this anger they want to express and I'm just the target but it's been brutal and I don't wish this feeling on anyone and julia I will say I mean I want to send you a virtual hug right now

and anyone that goes through this as rage said like you know when you go on these shows you you set yourself up to be more open to the criticism and to the opinions and to the comments And opinions in the world are fine. Everyone is entitled to that. But when you're spewing hate and negativity and just attacking others for being on a TV show, for you trying to figure out your life and your relationship and this musical career, that's not warranted and that's not okay. And so I'm sorry, first and foremost, you've had to deal with that. I know Rach has had to deal with that in a major way. And so for everyone out there listening, no, like, stop. with that bullying. Stop with that hate. Like, trust me, we all have been getting mean tweets and mean DMs and mean comments. And there's, like, that, when it crosses that line, it's unacceptable. It's not okay. And so I'm sorry that you have to deal with that. And all I can say is that, you know, hopefully you're stronger after this. There's going to be better days. I remember after my season, there were days where I didn't want to leave the house. Like you said, I didn't change

out of my pajamas. I was scared. I was anxious. I felt all these negative emotions. And hopefully, hopefully that passes. And hopefully people will listen into this and take this to heart and realize, like, we're all human. We've all made mistakes. We've all said stupid things. We've all picked the wrong guy. We're human. So give everyone a little bit of grace. Yeah. And I can understand watching it back, why people would message me and be like, what the hell were you thinking? you know those comments but it's when it's taken to the next level and the scary level that I've

been receiving that is just I mean it's just not right it's just not right so have you from it been able to lean on your friends and family or even other castmates that were on the show that I'm sure are dealing with this as well how are you dealing with all of this? Yeah

I'm so grateful for my castmates Jamie, Rudy and I really grew very close through this and Mel and, you know, because Jamie and Rudy are also main components of the show, like they've been getting love and hate too. You know, it's no one's immune to getting that hate. So it's been nice to be able to lean on them. I have been leaning on my friends and family. You know, I have been getting love and I'm so grateful for them. that it is just unbelievable how much louder the hate feels, even if it's even less than the love. Yeah, it's human nature. You know, you can, people can say 99 good things, but that one bad thing stands out. Honestly, and I truly say this from my heart, welcome to Bachelor Nation. I mean, it is a gift and it is a curse. They will hug you with one arm and stab you with a knife and the other.

And it's just kind of like you're in this the sorority fraternity now. Like there are other people that you can lean on even like, thank goodness you have, you know, Jamie and Rudy and Mel like you mentioned. But there are other people who understand what you're going through as well. You're not alone. I think it's great that you can fall in the sword and say, look, I get it. I'm wondering what I was doing and what I was thinking in those moments too. We were too.

We had those questions to ask. But what's the point of asking them when you're willing to say, listen I messed up and and you know like I my bad I made a mistake and I'd like to make amends for it so no go ahead Becca oh what I was going to say plain to welcome to bachelor nation you know what don't worry because in a week or two weeks some other drama is going to happen and people are going to hate on whoever said or did whatever and totally forget about what you did so it's very short-lived I know it seems like it's never ending right now you probably seem like you're at the lowest point but it will get better and and you have your castmates you have rich and idelina on any advice like

we're all here um but it won't last long i promise thank you that means long i'm looking towards the light yeah fickle it's it's so quick they'll forget about it but i just keep singing keep on putting those bangor vocals out there and everyone will forget about it totally forget you um we do want to ask you before we let you go like at there's ups and there's downs but There's so much that you gain from this experience that so many other people don't get to go through. So what's the greatest lesson that you've learned from this entire journey? Wow. I think I have finally learned that I need to accept the love that I deserve.

Girl, I learned that too on my journey on the show. And I got married. So I'm so excited for you. No, it's so true. When you have gone through, not to turn this into a therapy session, but you never know what you're going to get from Bachelor Happy Hour, but when you have gone through it and you finally learned that just because you've experienced it nine times, that doesn't mean that that 10th time that you can't finally accept what it is that you deserve and what's right for you because you feel a little selfish, but it's okay. so I'm from Texas I so look forward to seeing you in Austin because I know that's where Sheridan

hopefully he's listening Austin's such a great city but it's great that you've come from this and you've learned something from it and please in the future whatever happens whether it's with Sheridan or someone else keep us updated because we would love to hear about your life and your upcoming musical endeavors

and love endeavors and everything. Thank you. Thank you both so much. Thanks, Julie. Hang in there, girl. Rich, I must say, I am very happy that we finally had her on because, you know, we all have our opinions, but it's good to finally hear her side of things, the good and the bad, the pretty and the ugly. And so I'm glad to get her point of view, her take. And it's hard hearing what she's now having to deal with. But hopefully everyone out there listening to this can take it to heart and realize that, again, this is a TV show, it's fleeting, and she's just trying to do what's best for her.

Yeah, I'm glad we had her on when we had her on. If we had had her on, right when this show started, she wouldn't have seen how things have played out because she would have had her version, but it's a totally different thing to see it. And she's had the time to watch it, to learn from it, to grow from it, and that's what we got on the podcast today. So I thought that was beautiful.

I mean, listen, like we told her, listen, we've talked about you a certain way on this show. There's no bullying, but we're trying to understand your actions and how you were moving throughout the show. But there was no reason to go there once she owns up to it. And I hope that everyone who's listening, you know, because this episode that you watch today is a lot. And it's going to make you even go down even more a darker, deeper path with Julia. But if you listen to this podcast, you'll understand. her a little bit more and you'll let that go and you'll realize people make mistakes along the way and you just have to allow them to do it and learn from it yeah we all learn we all learn we all

hopefully can grow um it sounds like she has and she's like you said she's kind of falling on her sword and taking responsibility for certain things that did play out um i'm just glad that she realized that she but also anyone out there needs to find herself a sheridan and not a brandon Yes. Like, ladies, it took me until I was 30. Now, granted, I'm glad it did because I met Brian because of it. But don't think that you have to continue to accept to be treated badly. You don't. You're better than that. You deserve more than that. It's not okay. It's not acceptable. I don't care if every man that you've ever dated has treated you that way. It's not okay. And if we excuse it, then men will continue to behave this way because they will think it's okay. So don't give them a pass. Don't allow them to do that. We deserve better. Rise up. Unite.

I am woman. Hear me roar. Rachel, I love this because everything you're... I'm going to go take my doll. I'm going to go take some of my doll. But everything you're saying right now plays perfectly into our next guest, Shaggy. And, you know, we all know his song, it wasn't me. You know, we'll get into that.

But yes, it's no you're worth ladies. gentlemen out there. Know what you deserve. You know, listen, we've all gone back to the mistake. We've all been there. We've all gotten the bad boy that we know isn't good for us. But you're better than that. Rachel, this was a great therapy session, but we do have one more guest for today. Let's turn it up. Let's turn it up. And we're going to do a complaint 180. I can't be more excited to talk to this mega talented Grammy-winning artist. He is, I will say, the essence. of good vibes. And it's the 20th, I can't believe I'm saying this, but the 20th anniversary of his hit album, Hot Shot. And you can see him as a guest performer on next week's Listen to Your Heart.

So, ladies and gentlemen, without further ado, it's Shaggy. Yeah, Mr. Boombastic. Very fantastic. Well, Shaggy, first and foremost, thank you for being here. I'm sure our Bachelor happy hour listeners are so excited to hear from you. And just to start it off, obviously, it's no surprise. We're all in quarantine. So how has it been going for you these? days. It's been cool, man. I didn't think it was going to run as smooth as it did. I just came off a tour in the UK with myself and Nellie and Eve and all of us. And they had just, we got to New York a day before they closed the borders in the UK. And I wanted to go home to Jamaica, to my home where my wife, kids and dogs are. And the early cases of the COVID in Jamaica were from British

tourists. So they had suggested that I probably wait out the 14 days and then go in. And in waiting it out, they close the border. So I am stuck here in New York. Of course, New York is ground zero. So I'm at my home here. But it's, you know, my housekeepers don't show up. My, my assistants don't show up. So it's really me. I'm starting to learn to, I got to cook, I got to laundry. I'm folding, it's, you know, it's, it's kind of crazy, man, but it's, it has really worked out. It's quite a wake-up call for me to let me know that if something, I'm very proud of myself, I've been, I've been surviving. Yeah.

Sounds like you're becoming a jack-of-all-trades with cooking and cleaning and all the things. Yeah, I'm actually, I'm also doing, I'm a one-man show and doing promo, and I've been doing these promos for the last six weeks. I got my whole setup. I've been moving around. It's good thing I'm actually quarantined here. because my recording studio is also I have two rooms

and this is one of the main rooms so I keep moving things around just to get a different feel and it has worked out well so far Oh yeah so we're making music You sound like me shaggy I'm like oh my God I have to cook I have to clean what is this

I'm used to being on the road too So speaking of experiences You were on, listen to your heart A Bachelor franchise show What do you know about The Bachelor? Are you a fan of The Bachelor of Bachelorette. I have actually caught a couple of episodes here and there. I can't say I religiously watch it because I don't religiously watch any show because I'm always in a different

continent and a different week, whatever it is. So constantly touring. But I like the whole concept of it. You know what I mean? And it's really cool that these contestants could get an opportunity to actually showcase their talent and get it out. there. Yeah. How was your experience on the show? It was cool. My scene was kind of just film in the club. I was really taken back somewhat of how enthusiastic the audience was. They were really, really pumped up and really into it. And it was great. Obviously, you know, Ray Vaughn was there with me. Spice is a superstar herself. So she had some fans in there. And it was really, really good just to rock it. And then play these amazing classic that, Everybody just knew, you know? And, of course, you know, we had the loving couple come on stage and just, you know, kind of grace us with their presence. So, yeah, it was kind of, it was a good vibe.

Good. Well, I mean, you are known for putting on these great performances, these great shows. You have just such a great energy when you do perform and get on that stage. So what is one of your secrets, I guess, that you could share with the world or share with these couples that are now on, listen to your heart for giving and putting on such a great show, I should say. The main thing I always say, especially in going on,

it's like being a DJ, and I was a DJ before I even started, you know, to perform live. You got to go in and read that audience. Every audience you go to, you know, I mean, you have all these artists and more time,

if I'm on a tour and there's six artists, you know, I go out and watch their show because I'm getting a read of the type of crowd it is, what they respond to, what are their vibes, is and I'll change my set list right as I go on. That's why it's good to have my band because

if I go left, they go left, I go right, they go right. It's reading that crowd. It's figuring the type of crowd. You're not going to go and do like an acoustic guitar type of performance in a nightclub when everybody's half drunk and popping off.

You got to change your game up at that point. You know what I mean? To get that audience pumping their and get in and talk, certain little things, say certain little things to get your audience interested, especially if you're an artist that don't have really big hits, then do some other, someone else's big hit. But it's the way that you deliver it. They'll know that song, but the way you deliver it and the way you set it up, just like a DJ would set a record up, that's what works. It's you connecting with that audience on a personal level and letting them buy into you. And all that goes out

to you reading the audience. So I suggest that any artist going out there to perform before you go on the stage, go out there if there's artists before you, go check it out, we'll look at the audience, go feel it out, and then kind of bring your little show. And don't be scared to move things around at last minute, man, because you might see something that just really connects. Yes. Speaking of connections, what did you think about the connection of the couple

that you had to work with on the show? Since this show is about the music, but also about the chemistry within the, or with the couples too? One thing I noticed when they came on stage, and that's without me watching the episode or doing anything, they couldn't keep their hands off each other, which is good.

You know, they were, they looked like they were in love. You know, I mean, they kept me, even when we were there rocking and dancing, you know, he kept holding her hands. It was just that kind of a vibe. And I was really, really, you know, pleased to see that. They actually interacted like,

that they really was feeling each other and vibing each other and when I went back to talk to them man I kind of I kind of got what I really love is you know the guy was literally telling the girl he was telling this girl he was complimenting her the whole time through the conversation you know he was you know that is that is cool and he's a singer too you know I'm saying so he's not trying to hog the spotlight in any way he's literally compliment is, oh, man, this one right here. She, you know, man, she is, ah, you know what I mean? Yeah.

I admire things like that, you know, I mean, because, you know, you could tell at this point, and she took the compliment, of course, but at the same time, she was like, you know, you are, you know, you're such, you're so you're great too, you're so, you know, I mean, I loved all of that, you know, I appreciate that. Well, I like that you picked up on that because, and this is something that we've asked, not only the contestants that were on the show, but also the different judges that we have on the podcast as well. We always ask if they've dated musicians in the past, and it's always like this 50-50 split

vote. Half of them have, and they say that it works and that you have this really special bond and connection through music and just a whole new realm of emotions that that music can bring. And then half of them say, it's too crazy. They wouldn't recommend it. Can't do it again. So for you, Shagie, have you ever dated another musician? I don't know if I would say dated fine you have to be have I hooked up yes

dated is a whole you know that's a whole different situation I don't you know I don't think I've dated Does that mean dinner? Don't want to get into that Yeah that means dinner That means dinner too We break bread

Let me tell you about To me dating with me Musicians, I'm not saying that it cannot work. You'll find a lot of people who have done it, and they've done it very well, and it has worked very well for them. You know, it takes a lot of trust because when you're in the entertainment business, there's a lot of things that come at you. And I mean, there's, you know, if you're successful, there's going to be screaming groupies.

You know, it's very hard for females also in the industry because, you know, it's most of the time they're not taken seriously. You know, I mean, and because it's such a male-dominated feel that when a female comes into the picture, these guys got one thing on their mind. So it's hard for that female to actually be about her business. And I say to every female when they go in there, if you go in there with that poker face on and say, hey, I'm about my business, they will follow through. They will fall into line, you know what I'm saying? And you just got to know how to play your game and get in there. So as couples going into it, and you're going to find challenges, you're going to stumble on challenges, you know.

But if you want to make it work and you guys are committed to, they're committed to each other, then I have no doubt that they have a shot at it. Yeah. Yeah. I want to change it up a little bit and start talking to you about this 20th anniversary of the legendary album Hot Shot. I feel like you know an album, an album passes the test of time when you can know exactly where you were when the album came out and you started jamming the songs. For me, with Hot Shot, I was just learning a drive, so I was blaring it in the car, trying to focus on the road, but sing the songs, it wasn't me. Love me, Love Me, Angel. I mean, now that you're re-releasing this and you have these amazing collaborations, I think I read that Sting is going to be, is on it as well. tell us a little bit about it and what we can expect from it. Well, you know, this album was such an iconic album in a sense that

Hotshot was the album that moved the needle as far as the genre, as far as Dance All is concerned. You know, mainstream radio did not play Dance All in 2000 a lot. What Hotshot did, because it was such a phenomenal record, and the single wasn't me was so dynamic, and it broke so many borders. It crossed all of the musical barriers. You couldn't have put it into a box.

It literally all radio formats played it. So it actually made danceaw music become acceptable to mainstream radio. And to commemorate that, and it sold diamond. It was over 10 million records sold. So it's the only Diamond-Seltin-Nam dance-all album ever. So to commemorate the success of it We decided to put out a Hot Shot 2020 version But I didn't want to just do that album

Track for track and word for word So I decided to Hey why don't we take the first Five most stream songs from the album Which are the singles Angel wasn't me love me love me And of course you know Songs like Keeping It Real and the title track Hot Shot

Then we put Ray Von who sang Angel initially to sing it wasn't me, you know, and then put Sting to sing Angel because we sang it on tour when we're doing 44876 and that's one of his favorite joints. And then we did like four new songs. You know, we covered Electric Avenue by Eddie Grant. We covered Buckingham Palace by Peter Tush. We also did a new song with me and a thing called Primavera. And then we throw some other goodies in there. How about throwing Mr. Boombastic in there? Hey, Mr. Bobastic. Yeah, and throwing songs like old Carolina, strength of a woman, a sexy lady, but giving them a more up-to-date 20-20 sound where the tics are dropped.

Sonically is really in there. And it wasn't me, we kept to the authenticity of the original track, right? Because those songs, let's face it, they're still recurrent in today's generation. But we changed, once my part came to me, we changed the drums to a more dance-all drum. because back in them days where we did the original, it was really a hip-hop beat that it was on. And Rick Rock's time and R&B melody, the only dance-all was what was the cadences that I did,

which was the patois. So we just put the dance-all drums on the patois because for us, if we, if radio was playing dance-all, that's probably what we would have done back then. And now dance-all is now, you know, the soundtrack of today's music. You know, it would spawn such genres. as reggaeton, you know, I mean, and Afrobeat, you know, reggae itself, I mean, hip-hop itself was true cool, her, was formed to dance all and reggae. So it's just a celebration all around

where that project is concerned. And, you know, it's perfect for quarantine. It makes you feel like you're on vacation. It's full of sunshine and a lot of fun. And these songs are just classics that everybody knows. You know what else it wasn't me did? It gave men a cop-out, Shaggy. It gave them a cop out thinking... That's definitely what I remember. Well, you know why? I disagree with you on that. Okay.

There's a big misconception because everybody think that it wasn't me was a cheater song. Yes. But it really wasn't. Because if you listen to the song, and there's an apology says, I'm going to tell her that I'm sorry

for the things that I've done, you might think that you're a player, but you're completely lost. Simply means that the player right? The guy that cheated didn't take the advice of the player even though he was saying just to her it wasn't me just you know it was like dude

you're an idiot I'm going to go apologize to my girl because what you were doing and you could not have a better message right for couples during that time say hey this ain't right but because it was such a club jam you know I mean and everybody was saying it wasn't me that's right they sure did

nobody listened to the record down to the end So they missed the apology altogether. And it was like, yo, Shaggy, oh, that guy's such a cheater. He just co-sign on every cheetahs out there. He gives them a cop-out. Really, ladies, calm down. I was saying, hey, it's wrong. Even though I was the guy that played the bad part in the record.

But thank you for setting the record straight. You know, I think the real question is, will there be music videos accompanied with this album? you be auditioning for dancers? Ah! Well, we always need dancers. It's inevitable. Dancers are, you know, they bring the live to the show, man.

They bring that energy, you know. Big up to Tanisha Scott, who started with us when we were doing the Hot Shot project back in them days, and she's now one of the best choreographies around. So I have a chance. Okay. I have a chance. This is really what I needed to know, Shaggy. That's what I need to know.

Absolutely. We have. We'll be doing some videos and all of that, man. Well, Shaggy, I will say, even, I think it was like two weeks ago. I was listening to it wasn't me. And my fiance and I did a little compilation with our dog. So, of course, we set her up like on the counter, on the couch. Oh, there's so many of those. Yeah, you see them all over the place.

You did a TikTok too. I want to watch a lot. We did. Oh, I was led to you. I will say, I think, I'm not trying to, like, be biased here. but I will say my dog is one of the cutest dogs. So it was one of the better ones. It was my dog is the cutest.

Yeah. Well, I'm just saying that right. But I think she felt very threatened by us videotaping her to the song. And so she might have PTSD when she hears the song. But for me, I love it. It's one of the classes. It's never going to go to style. So I'm so glad that you're re-releasing the album.

Well, it's great. You know, TikTok was a big help on that too. You know, everybody would do these TikTok videos with their dogs. And you got to DM me. and your pub, so I know which one it is. I was so good. People send them to me all the time, and I was like, wow, this thing just takes a life of its own.

We got the shower cap on her in the shower with the fake water running. We did it all, so I'll DM you. I got a question, though. Is this a trend that everybody is in their, in their closet? This is our recording studio. It's not as great as yours. This is the best sound quality.

Yeah, it's what? The best sound. quality. Okay, I've got you. So you don't hear the echoing. I got you. Right, right. Because I'm too loud in the living room.

Got to get away from him. Well, you know what? I've done a couple of interviews overseas in the UK, and they're all in their closet to it. And I was wondering, wow, okay, you know, but okay, you explain it. We like to call it our ISO booths. Yeah. Yes.

It is better that way. Not quite on par with yours, but. Exactly. Yeah, I'm lucky. I'm in one of those professional ones. Well, Shaggy, thank you so much for doing this interview. We're so excited to see you on the show. We're so excited to hear what new music you're going to have.

You can't see him right now, but he is sitting in the studio. He is ready to go. I think that's what's so special about quarantine is it allows people to be creative, you know, because we're stuck. We're at home. There's not much you can do. So anyways, we are excited to see you on the show. Thank you so much for doing this.

Thank you. Thanks for having me. And thanks for sharing your platform. All the best of you guys. Of course. Thanks, Shaggy. I really enjoyed him. I forgot you did the Corey video.

I mean, I meant to comment to you on that. That was the funniest thing that I've seen. You know how I feel about TikTok. Well, no, I know. And so when we were doing, I swear Minow is traumatized from us doing that to her. But it was so funny because we did it, what, like two weeks ago? And then when I found out who we were talking to today, Garrett was like down in their garage. And I'm yelling from the balcony like, Garrett, Gary.

Gary, guess who we're talking to? And he's like, no effing way. You're talking to Shaggy. So that was really fun to have him. No, it was fun. He was great. Like, there's so much depth. You know, his career has really passed the test of time.

He's, I mean, like, Mr. Boom, Bostick came out in 1995, which means he was before then, because that's not even his first album. So it's just the fact that he's really, I can't believe Hot Shot is 20 years old. That makes me feel old. Because I'm like, yeah, I was learning to drive then. How old are you, Becca? I, well, I was in middle school. In 2000.

Actually, no, no, no, no. I remember when Angel came out, my best friend in sixth grade was obsessed with that song. Like, to the point where she would, that's the only song, she would play on repeat on like our Sony Discman or whatever it was that we used back then. So, yeah, sixth grade, I was, how old is that? 11, 12, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so you're old enough. But my question is, okay, you've seen the movie never been kissed, right?

With Drew Barrymore? Love it. You know the scene where she eats the brownie at the club and she takes that, like the feather boa and she's like running it through her legs? Is that to one of Shaggy's songs? I don't remember the song. I got to go back. I feel like it has to be, but I'm going to go back and rewatch it.

But like, I don't know why when we were talking to him and listening to him. I'm, like, picturing that scene of her with, like, the boa in between her. Now, then I hope that that's the case that you said that. I wanted to tell him that he was on one of my planes, but I was like, I'm going to sound like such a creeper. You should have. Because I'm, like, I love, I love reggae music and dance hall music. So, you know, I wanted to be like, you know, Mr. Lover, lover? And I was like, well, is that rude?

Is that rude if I start? And he calls himself that song. I feel like he would have appreciated it, Rach. You should have. Brian would have been like, who are you talking to? Excuse me. No, but that was great. Love these interviews that we're able to do with such iconic, you know, musicians in the industry. It's really amazing they get to do this. Exactly. And to get their take, I mean, like you said, he's been around for a bit and he knows this industry probably better than anyone. So to hear him talk about how just even within like the world and his genre has changed, it's so interesting to me. So hopefully our listeners can take something from that. If anything else. I cannot wait to listen to this re-released album. Right. And for him to just casually say, yeah, you know, I was coming back from tour with Eve. I got Sting on the album. Okay, you better

name drop, Shaggy. You better let us know the circles that you run in. Acting like, it's no big deal, though. Like, oh yeah, I just hung out in Europe with Nelly. But now I'm stuck in New York in your recording studio. Yeah, yeah. Live in the life. Live in the life. Well, I had so much fun today. I know you did too, Becca. It was so cool to talk to our guests. Recap. the show. And as always, you know, we just have such a blast with this opportunity and this platform to be able to talk to such big celebrity names that are coming on this show. I mean, The Bachelor, there's nothing like it. There's nobody doing anything what the Bachelor franchise is doing from love to music to drama. Nobody does it better. It just keeps getting bigger and

better every single week. And we can't wait for you guys to see what's next because the drama doesn't stop. The celebrity judges don't stop. The love doesn't stop. So, coming up next week we've got four remaining couples that head to Las Vegas to perform and we get four date cards which is always fun we get to see four couples we get to see their love progress or maybe not from the previews that we've seen from this week um or this coming up week then we have the new judges we've got Ashley Simpson Ross her husband Evan Ross we've got Pat Monaghan from the band train we've got Lauren and Ari and we get to see an awesome performance by Shaggy and as always we've got that perfect balance of drama, of music, and love. It's all that we need right now.

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