Bachelor Happy Hour - Music Superstars Kesha & Jason Mraz

Episode Date: April 21, 2020

The drama is heating up on “The Bachelor Presents: Listen to Your Heart,” and Rachel and Becca are talking to music icons Kesha and Jason Mraz, who will be guest judging on next week’s episode. ...Kesha and Jason talk about their experience on the show, whether they’ve ever dated a fellow musician, and what’s coming up next for them in their careers.Plus, Kesha reveals what she’d say if asked to be the Bachelorette — and her answer may surprise you!“The Bachelor Presents: Listen to Your Heart” airs Mondays at 8 p.m./7c on ABC.Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:41 feedback and give you guys the content that you're really craving also in other exciting news there was a new episode of listen to your heart last night and we know you tuned in because no you guys are watching it you can't get enough of bachelor's content. So of course we're going to break down all the drama from that episode for you guys. But most importantly, we have two major. When I say major, Becca, I mean, we've done it big before, but I don't know if we've done it this big. So they were, they're for next week's episode. And they're going to be joining us today. So we hope you have your quarantinies all ready to go because we have Jason Moraz. And I'm going to let Becca name the other one because she is such a fan.
Starting point is 00:03:25 my gosh, thank you, Rachel. Yes, you guys, when I found out we have this person on the podcast, I may have peed my pants a little bit and called my sister. I was like, you'll never know who we are talking to. But ladies and gentlemen, drum roll please, because we have Kesha joining us today and I cannot wait. My hands are shaking like as we speak. I don't know what to do with my hand. Yeah, between Jason Mraz and Kesha, we are bringing it big to you guys. on this episode. So I'm a major fan. Beck is a major fan of both of them. And I know we've said this before, but I can't help but be just a little bit jealous of the listen to your heart contestants because they get to be in the mix. I mean, we get to talk to them on Zoom and everything. And that's
Starting point is 00:04:11 great. But I can't even imagine being in their presence. Like, these are some major music icons that they get to perform in front of and get some feedback from. Right. I mean, I, like, I'm a little nervous knowing that we get a talk with them. I can't imagine being an artist and having to perform in front of other major artists. I like props to the contestants because I would be shaking in my boots. But, but yes, we do have Kesha. We do have Jason Mores. And I can't wait because not only am I just such a fan of their music, but I can't wait to see them on the show. This is the first time that we're really bringing in the guest judges that have lived and breathed and been in this world. And So to have their feedback, I think, is just going to be something really great for not only the contestants, but for us as viewers to watch.
Starting point is 00:05:00 You know, before we jump into talking with both of them, we have a whole new episode that we have to cover. And Rachel, I mean, we've only seen a couple weeks now, but from what we've seen, and I taxed one of the producers this after the last episode, I think it is one of my favorite shows now in the franchise, just because it's, you know, we keep saying it's like a, combination between Bachelor and Bachelorette, Bachelor in Paradise, Winter Games, but the fact that these people are so talented and it just adds this whole new, amazing layer to what the show is. I mean, I am so invested. And this week we saw some more performances, you know, they weren't massive. They were like these cute small things here and there, like on the Venice Boardwalk and whatnot. But just to be able to hear these people sing and perform, I mean, I'm so invested. I'm so invested in it's week two.
Starting point is 00:05:53 So I can't wait to see what the season has to bring. But not only am I in love with the show for the music, but you guys, we can't forget about the drama, which we saw a lot go down between so many different people, between so many different couples or starting couples. And we have to dive in because it's getting good people.
Starting point is 00:06:14 Now, to kind of recap what we saw last night, I mean, obviously the men had the roses, the power this week. So three new girls came into the high. house. There's four dates total. We've, we have even seen a little love triangle already began. And then also, dun dun dun, done, it wouldn't be a Bachelor franchise show without some drama and a cheating scandal. So, Richel, where do we start with this one? There's no other place, Becca, than to just start from the beginning. So we pick up where we left off. And it's the next morning after the first rose ceremony. And the guys, I find this so interesting.
Starting point is 00:06:52 So the guys are sitting around talking because they were given the roses last week. And off the bat, Brandon is rubbing me the wrong way. I mean, he's like, yeah, you know, I appreciate the rose that I got from Savannah. Like kind of like basically I did what I needed to do to get the rose. But now that we have the power this week, because the man have the power, he's like, I want to get to know the other women. And I'm like, you were all over Savannah the first night. And now you're like, well, now that I'm. I have the power. Let me just see what else is out there. I don't know. I just I thought they were a cute
Starting point is 00:07:27 couple and it seems like he just used her four rows. Yeah. And that's one thing to that like even watching Paradise last season, I started to pick up on it. It's like people are forming certain alliances not based necessarily on a connection with somebody, but just like trying to stay safe and trying to make it to the next week. And so, I mean, obviously we've seen a lot more of Brandon this week because he appeared to be a hot commodity with multiple women. And, you know, we will dive into that. Don't get it. But it is interesting to see how at first all the guys last week were shaking in their boots
Starting point is 00:08:03 and not knowing what to expect. And now it's like the flip, the, what is it? The switch has flipped? Yeah. Yeah, because you're thinking of TikTok, flip the switch. You're on TikTok. You know all about those challenges. Oh, God.
Starting point is 00:08:17 I'm such a pro TikTok these days. No, I'm definitely lying people. Yeah. So we see another date card comes in and it's for Jamie. So Jamie and Trevor go to the Venice Boardwalk, which I think is actually really cute. Side note, when I'm on the show, this isn't a spoiler. You know I'm on one of the episodes this season. I'm on with Andy Grammer. And he said he played the Venice Boardwalk for four years before he made it big. So there's a lot of history there for musicians, so I thought it was cute that they had this moment
Starting point is 00:08:52 on the boardwalk, doing their thing. Now, let me put on a different hat. Okay, I'm like, okay, said something positive. Now, let me see. Okay. What did you think of Jamie and Trevor on their date on the boardwalk?
Starting point is 00:09:13 The performance, I will say, it still seems like puppy love. I thought it was sweet when they were talking before they actually performed of, you know, she was kind of nervous. She didn't quite know how the performance was going to go. And he took the lead and I like how he's like, you know, what song do you want to do?
Starting point is 00:09:34 If you need me to play the guitar, I'll step up, I'll do it. Watching them perform though, like physically perform. Like, we see the kissing, we see the smiles. I, like, I feel like she's more invested and he's not more standoffish. I just don't know if it's fully like the level of commitment or like desire in that relationship on his end is necessarily there. Yeah, because I feel like there was a drop off
Starting point is 00:10:04 between last week's episode and this week's. You saw him stand up in a room full of people and say, I'm here for Jamie, you know, so if Jamie doesn't really pick me, I don't know what I'm going to do. He was all in because it was more of a competition. It was almost as if he was trying to get her away from Ryan. Now he's got her and I just feel like the passion wasn't there. I'm going to say it.
Starting point is 00:10:23 She had better chemistry with Ryan. At one point, you know, she's in her ITM and she's talking and she's like, oh, I'm just afraid, you know, to sing with him. I'm afraid we don't have that musical connection. I'm like, mm-mm, girl, you should be afraid because you had that with Ryan. And we were rooting for you. We were all rooting for you. And you didn't pick Ryan. You went with Trevor, and watching them sing, I mean, she sounds great by herself. He sounds great by himself. I felt like they were two individuals singing rather than singing together as one. When she and Ryan sang gravity in that studio, and she was so scared.
Starting point is 00:11:01 To me, he carried her and made her feel comfortable, and we saw the two of them make beautiful music together. I didn't get that with Trevor. Well, and I don't know, I mean, just the little bit that we've seen of Trevor, And even talking to him on the podcast a few weeks ago, I mean, he's so sweet. He's very kind and polite. I think he's more like he just seems maybe a bit more bashful and reserved. And so maybe that's where it's coming from. I don't know him well enough. I haven't seen enough to know. That's just like me trying to come up with some sort of reason why it felt off a little bit. But from the short amount of time that I've seen of them and I've seen of her, I just think, She seems much more into him, much more smitten in the relationship than he does. Yeah. Well, Becca, I feel fooled. After we had an interview with Trevor and we adore Trevor, we thought he was great.
Starting point is 00:11:58 We thought, hey, if this doesn't work out for you, you could be great for The Bachelor. I'm starting to sing a different tune. And it's not because of Natasha, who we are going to get into the mansion, raising straight hell. not that's not it it was his response to natasha it was his response in how he acted i watch the way people act not necessarily what they say which is why now my antennas are up with trevor so let's just get to natasha yes so natasha comes in beautiful right i'm like the girl is chilean she's french she sings in spanish she sings in french she's stunning it's like what can this woman not do well in addition to that she comes in and she brings us drama she brings us great TV so we thank you
Starting point is 00:12:48 for that so she comes in says she knows Trevor because she was friends with Trevor's ex-girlfriend and then she reveals to the group that there's no other way to say it Trevor's a dog he's a dirty dog um so what did you think about Natasha coming in did you believe her did you think she was exaggerating I mean like what was your initial take my take okay you know me you know I have my notes girl. So I'm all about honesty and transparency. So the fact that she came in and was like, I'm going to say it like it is. I'm not going to hold anything back. I get and I appreciate. I don't think it's anyone's place to start gossiping and saying what she was saying to the entire group. Now, if her main concern was really, I don't want this to happen to another girl. She should have then waited for
Starting point is 00:13:42 Jamie to get home and had a conversation separately with Jamie. Okay, again, people, this is a TV show. I get that. We need the drama. We need things to be amped up a certain way. But I don't think it was her place to pull Trevor aside and to basically say, you have to tell her this because this is his first date with this girl. Like Jamie and Trevor, this is their very first date. And if all of the allegations that Natasha says are true of Trevor, like that he did cheat on her friend a year and a half ago. Okay, everybody has a pass. Everybody has made mistakes. If Trevor is into Jamie and into the relationship, at some point, then hopefully he's going to respect her enough to be honest and tell her when he's ready. But I don't think necessarily after a first date, having somebody
Starting point is 00:14:32 else basically say, you have to tell her I will after she's already told 20 other people. It just talking to me the wrong way. Again, I'm not saying she shouldn't have been honest, but I think the approach could have been handled very differently. Yeah, this is where, yeah, I agree with you. And then I disagree on one part. So I definitely agree. She should not have told the whole room. It was like she was trying to turn the whole house against Trevor. But I think that she was right to confront Trevor and not Jamie. You don't know Jamie. Your, your beef is with Trevor. So give Trevor the opportunity to tell Jamie. But I agree with you, too, that it's not the best time to say it on a first date, but when he said he's made mistakes, Jamie didn't ask the right
Starting point is 00:15:15 questions. On their date, he's like, yeah, I made some mistakes in the past. Jamie immediately should be like, I'm sorry, what mistakes? What exactly? What were they? Right. But at the end of the day, Jamie's also 21. So I feel like she doesn't have necessarily the experience or the wherewithal to ask those questions. Maybe she hasn't had those experiences in a relationship. I think my favorite part, though, was when Trevor sees Natasha and they get back from the date. And Natasha's like, no, I know you. And he's like, yeah, you kind of look familiar. And she's like, oh, I'm friends with your ex-girlfriend. And then she's like, I'd love to talk to you. And he's like, yeah, let me go get settled for a second. She's like, I'm actually, no bitch right now. You're going to talk to me right now. And I felt like she had his number.
Starting point is 00:16:00 He was going to go try to figure out how he knew her, figure out kind of his, how he was going to approach the conversation, with her and get a game plan together and she was like absolutely not you're going to sit down right now with me and have this conversation i loved it i love i will say there was one part in that conversation between natasha and trevor that bothered me a little bit because and it wasn't until the very end when you know she asked him did you lie did you cheat whatever the part at the very end where she goes, and I don't remember word for word what she said, but like, are you going to go tell Jamie and like act on this? And he goes, yes, I am. And her response goes, well, it doesn't seem like that to me. And in my mind, I'm like, that's not the response you should be giving at this point.
Starting point is 00:16:48 Because you just met him. You just met Jamie for 0.2 seconds. You don't know how he's going to act or how he handles certain things. So that, that comment, and I wrote that in my notes, that's the part that irked me. And then going back to your thing about Jamie and, you know, she is only 21. She probably hasn't been in too many relationships to kind of know how to navigate certain situations. I mean, we do kind of see it. The instance where Natasha and Trevor go off and Jamie's left talking with the other women
Starting point is 00:17:18 and she just starts sobbing and it's like the end of the world and like, why isn't anything going right? It's like, honey, give it time. Give it three hours. Have a conversation with him. Like get his side. before you think the world is ending. So you are starting to kind of see Jamie's age a little bit.
Starting point is 00:17:36 And I like Jamie. I think she's sweet. She's spunky. I enjoy watching her. I enjoy listening to her sing. But it is just an age thing that you do kind of see between her and some of the other contestants. Yeah, because she can't be definitive with her decision. She said cheating is a deal breaker for her.
Starting point is 00:17:53 In this world, you only have a few seconds, days, whatever weeks to really get to know someone. So you kind of have to be very definitive in, like, your stance on what you're going to take and whatnot. And if you're just meeting somebody and you find out that they have this past, people can change, totally can change. But in this instance, I thought maybe she shouldn't have just been all in with Trevor and just taking a step back and say, like, we'll still navigate this relationship. But I'm not going to put all my eggs in one basket. One thing I do put it out, and this is for Bathorn Nation people too. Never trust. Okay.
Starting point is 00:18:28 So you see Jamie and she's bawling and she's got these real tears and the camera's all in her face and it's up close and personal. And then you see Trevor. He has his hands in his head. He's rubbing his eyes. He's rubbing his hair and it's all from a distance. Never trust the guy who is so distraught that he hides his face from the camera and his quotes. And I'm using air quotes here, people, tears. Why?
Starting point is 00:18:55 Because he's really just hiding his lack of emotion. from the cameraman. There are no tears. Trevor was not distraught. Trevor was just like, dang it, I might get kicked off from the show. I was, you have to watch the person whose tears you never really see. There's something they're adding there.
Starting point is 00:19:11 I will say yes, because there are times where, I mean, and coming from the show and being on Bachelor and Bachelor and Bachelor, like there are times where there are, like you have to, like, you want to feel certain emotions. And like, for me, it's hard at times to, like, feel certain things.
Starting point is 00:19:26 But like, when you really are, set you're not going to let anything stop you because you're constantly filming you've got like you have to let that out and so you can and people watch watch future seasons too you will see this you will notice this we can keep going on i feel like the bulk of the drama was between Trevor and atasha and jamie but there were two other dates so we'll get to those two and we'll cover them three other dates three oh shit three but three more dates but and we'll get to those there was less drama but still It was a beautiful thing. So, Bree and Chris,
Starting point is 00:20:00 nothing dramatic here, just really sweet and lovely to watch. They go on a date to a guitar center. And I really appreciated this because they were so excited to be at this historic guitar center on Sunset Boulevard. And they're talking about the instruments
Starting point is 00:20:15 and just appreciating the artistry of everything in the history. And I feel like if this had been a date on The Bachelor, they would have been like, oh, we're not breaking the guitars. Is somebody famous coming out? Are you going to gift me?
Starting point is 00:20:28 with an instrument, what's happening here? Yeah. So it was just nice to appreciate the simplicity of that date because there was so much more to it. The part that I liked about their date is this is the first time that we've seen this, I think in any one of the contestants, is they, when they, when Chris started to play in the guitar and Brie just starts singing, like, they weren't performing a cover
Starting point is 00:20:51 to any other song. That was just them on the fly. And I thought that moment was so beautiful and special. And in my mind, I'm thinking, Oh my gosh, if I was put on the spot like this, there's no way I would be able to come up with lyrics, sound this amazing, have this connection. And so I think watching that moment was something really special for them. And it was just, I like them.
Starting point is 00:21:10 I wrote in my notes if they're not sold together after this, I quit. Yeah, right? Watching them is unlike watching Trevor and Jamie on that Venice boardwalk. That, Chris and Bree chemistry. Trevor and Jamie still struggling trying to find it a bit. I do have to point out how heartbreaking was Bree's story about the guy that she was formerly engaged to and how she had found the wedding dress. She's so excited. And then he basically tells her actually don't buy the dress.
Starting point is 00:21:42 I felt like it was Carrie and Sex and the City when she got broken up with a Post-it. It was on the same level of that. No, no, no. It was like sex in the city when Carrie was going to her wedding and sees her future husband driving by. the opposite way from the church. That's what it was. Like it's just and you know when we talked to Brie a couple weeks ago,
Starting point is 00:22:05 I knew obviously that she had been engaged and that things had ended. I didn't know why. And so to hear the way that it went down, it was. I mean, I think for any woman or anyone who's been in a relationship where it hasn't turned out like you feel that heartbreak
Starting point is 00:22:20 and you feel that empathy for someone else. But kudos for her to her for going out, putting herself on a show. And I mean, everyone watch a potentially new relationship unfold. And so I think what her and Chris have going right now is very sweet. And I'm going to say it could be a real lasting relationship from what we've seen so far. Very sweet. I am a little concerned that they are moving a tad bit fast, already expressing feelings of love.
Starting point is 00:22:48 I mean, I know that you're on a fast track when it comes to this franchise. But it was just a little too soon for me. Shout out to whoever had them seeing can't help falling in love. Especially first lyrics of the song, Wise men say only fools rush in. I'm just saying they are moving them tad bit fast. Kudos to whoever put that together. Okay, so Sheridan and Julia
Starting point is 00:23:10 probably our next dramatic relationship. So off the bat, it's very obvious that they're on two different pages. He's more into her than she is into him. Yeah. More so than I think Jamie's into Trevor, I think Sheridan is so into Julia. And you can tell it's just not there for Julia.
Starting point is 00:23:31 No, it's not. It's like she's trying. She's trying to do something different. And anytime she has to talk about it, I feel like the true colors come out. You know, when they're at IHeartRadio, side note, shout out to Kevin Manow, who is Ali's husband.
Starting point is 00:23:46 I thought, good for him for asking all the messy questions. He's clearly married to a bachelorette. When he said, have you kissed anybody else to have? I said, yes, Kevin. He knows all the right questions to ask. Yeah, when she was like, yeah, I actually have. I mean, poor Sheridan.
Starting point is 00:24:04 It's like I like Sheridan. I'm a fan of him. But it's like, brough, read the writing on the wall. Yes, yeah. She's not that into you. No, no, definitely not. And he seems like such a sweetheart, but like you just said a little bit ago, he has wanted to put all of his eggs in one basket.
Starting point is 00:24:22 One thing I will say about Julia, Julia, when they performed, I, I don't know, for whatever reason, I thought when she was going to sing, like it was going to sound operatic. And this like, like, oh, I was going to come out. And her voice was so different from what I expected,
Starting point is 00:24:38 but it was beautiful. And I think in that moment, on that date, in that performance, she really carried it. Yes, I actually thought they had a lot of chemistry in my performance.
Starting point is 00:24:48 I'm looking at my notes and it's like, voices are fire. One of my favorite voices. This is chemistry. Like, I'm looking at the little notes I read. Julia's voice was so it was effortless when she was singing
Starting point is 00:25:00 I almost thought is this pre-recorded it didn't sound like she was singing a lot I was so impressed with Julia's voice I was too Becca it's funny that you say that about their voices because I literally wrote to ask you a question
Starting point is 00:25:14 are you surprised by the people's voices when they start singing because you have this image in your head and then it turns out totally different which I think is a nice beautiful surprise yes I agree I think I don't know what I expected like knowing when the show is coming out
Starting point is 00:25:29 and I was like oh yeah of course they'll be talented and they can sing but like these contestants can really really sing and I I love it that like I want to just listen to them like I want there to be just one episode of them
Starting point is 00:25:43 straight up performing like nothing else I just want to sit there and listen to them I feel like that's going to come so speaking of voices that we're surprised by Savannah and Brandon go on a date honestly could have just passed right through this I've got nothing. I felt nothing from the date.
Starting point is 00:25:57 I was completely shocked at Brandon's voice. It was very theatrical to me. It was great. I just wasn't expecting him to sound like that. Nor was that. Maybe it was the song. Maybe it was fever. That just threw me off of it.
Starting point is 00:26:11 Savannah, too. I don't know. I wasn't expecting that. Yeah, it was like for a date, it was very mediocre. There wasn't much, many fireworks. Like, they had a conversation. and they saying that was really the gist of it. Yeah, the fireworks were that couple
Starting point is 00:26:29 that was a part of that day that we see in the credits. That's us. Marty and Elaine. Thank you. They were the highlight of that day. Yeah, so I'm trying to think of the other highlights of the episode.
Starting point is 00:26:39 I mean, there's Mel and Brandon. There's the drama with that. Poor Mel. It's sad to me when a woman or a man is so into another person and they don't reciprocate it. I even wrote down, I'm like, poor Mel and Sheridan. found each other in the kitchen, two lost lovers in the night.
Starting point is 00:26:58 You know, that's what I wrote down. Rachel's going to write a song about this now, about this encounter. I'm like, neither one of them are into each other. Yeah. I mean, their lovers aren't into them. And it's just, it was, it's very sad to watch. Yeah. I mean, I guess the other only highlight from the episode, like, we get into the
Starting point is 00:27:19 row ceremony, we get into Julia and now questioning what she feels for Sheridan, going back to Brandon, thinking Brandon's going to pick her, we see it all go down. I'm starting to have a slight issue with Julia. Her words are matching up to her actions. And so I'm very interested to see what's going to happen next week, quite honestly, because she flat out said in her interview, I want Brandon's rose. I need to get this from Brandon. We see Brandon give it to somebody else. Then Julia accepts the rose from Sheridan. Dun, done, done. It's like, you just said one thing. The entire world is seeing it back. And now you're like, going to make out with Sheridan the second he gives you those rows and then still want Brandon.
Starting point is 00:27:57 It's getting very messy. No, 100% agree. I couldn't have said it better. I'm so glad you pointed out, Julia. I feel like we need to like watch her. You know, we're on to you. Only other thing I will say is, can we get a heartbreak every single episode? Because I need Rudy to lay down the soundtrack for it.
Starting point is 00:28:18 Can we pause on her singing, love is a losing game, Amy Winehouse? I don't even know the other... girl's name who was on the piano. Rudy, who is the musical director for the show? No, who is picking out these songs? Rachel, I went down a rabbit hole last night watching Rudy on Instagram. And, okay, Rudy, if you are listening or if anyone is listening, please have Rudy. Just, can you just audio record me one song and send it to me?
Starting point is 00:28:45 DM me, I will give you my number, whatever I have to do to get you to sing me a song. because I literally watched every performance on her Instagram and every singing video that she has like 14 times. And I'm not exaggerating. Garrett's like, why the hell do you keep listening to this? I'm like, I'm sorry. No, I will do that now. I haven't listened to her on Instagram, but she's absolutely amazing. The other thing, yeah, Rudy's amazing when she's singing.
Starting point is 00:29:12 I can't comment on her the way she is with Matt or anything else. Rudy is a hot mess, but I love it. She admits it, and she knows it. She knows it about herself. One thing I did note, and I don't know if you caught this, when Brandon gives Savannah the rose, and you know how they're always waiting to see who's going to come around the corner? I do love that, though.
Starting point is 00:29:32 I love that dynamic. We haven't seen that on another show. When he comes around the corner with Savannah, pure disgust is on his face. I don't know if you caught that. If anybody else, rewind it, go back and pause it on Brandon's face when he gives Savannah that rose. He is not in her.
Starting point is 00:29:50 But then do you notice like five seconds later when they're waiting for the other couples to come out? Brandon and Savannah are making out as all the other people are watching who's walking out. They were making out in the corner. Not catch that. We're going to go back and rewatch like this little clip of the roast ceremony. Okay, Becca, you know, we could keep going on and on and on. I feel like we have to carry this over into our lives. You guys have got to come to our lives.
Starting point is 00:30:18 where we do, it's like the after hours time where we talk more about the show and we answer your questions and let you know even more in depth what we're thinking about each episode of listen to your heart. We hope you're loving it as much as we are. But as much as I love that episode, especially the dramatic ending, I cannot wait for next week's episode because next week the couples start performing in front of celebrity judges and let me tell you, Baca, these people are freaking talented. I know this firsthand. I can't talk specifically. about the episode that I was a part of, but I'm telling you,
Starting point is 00:30:52 you're going to be so impressed. If you think this has been good, just wait. Even Brian, I mean, like, we still talk about it. So I'm so excited for you guys
Starting point is 00:31:01 to watch these next upcoming episodes. Yeah, Rach, I'm very jealous that you and Brian were guest judges. I, if there's another season of this, I want to be part of that
Starting point is 00:31:13 because I find this so interesting. And I just, I'm like gravitating towards these people and their voices. And so I'm so jealous that you could see them live and I can't wait to see what familiar faces for other guest judges we're going to have, too. Just imagine if they've been this good for the first season,
Starting point is 00:31:32 imagine what season two is going to have. I'm talking, and I'm not talking down about anybody who's been a judge on the show because the judges have been phenomenal. But you just imagine, like, you know, shows get bigger and bigger. So we're talking Beyonce, Kanye. Justin Bieber.
Starting point is 00:31:50 You know what I mean? The sky is the limit. All right, guys. I could talk about this show forever, but I'm way too excited to talk to our first guest. If you haven't already poured yourself another quarantini, now would be the time. You know what?
Starting point is 00:32:03 Just screw the quarantini. You can just go right ahead. Brush your teeth with a bottle of jack because we have a major guest joining us right now. Her new album, High Road, is available now. And you can also see this mega pop star as a guest judge next week on Listen to Your Heart. So without further ado, ladies and gentlemen, it is Keshah.
Starting point is 00:32:25 Okay, Keshah, we have to ask you, how is your experience being on this show? Because this is the first time you've been affiliated with the Bachelor franchise. It's quite an experience. You're talking to two former Bachelorette's here. How was it for you? I know. I'm like a little geeking out because I have to tell you I'm such a fan. Like, I've been like a secret fan for a very.
Starting point is 00:32:48 long time. Me and all my girlfriends, we always like get drunk and watch The Bachelor and Bachelorette. Always The Bachelorette is way more entertaining. I love when a woman has power. I love that, Kesha. I wish you could see my face right now because I have the biggest grin. I have to start off by telling you, I'm fan girl and so hard, but you are what I swear got me through my season of The Bachelorette because so my quote, quote theme song for this season was woman and any time i love that i love it too when they when they the producers told me like what song it was going to be anytime throughout the season that i was down or frustrated or just in a funk the producers would come up because i didn't have my phone on me obviously
Starting point is 00:33:35 so they'd come up and start playing woman on their phone and i would just like snap out of the funk and get going again and it would just turn me back on and so the fact that i feel like it's come full circle the fact that we're now talking to you i am so freaking excited so thank you i love that we can keep out together oh my god me too finally i feel like it was like my secret and i was like you know what i'm going to come out with it i am a huge fan of the bachelorette i don't care what anybody think judge me world but i also get that a lot with my music like people will be like oh secretly i really like your music and it doesn't have to be a secret we can all just love the Bachelorette.
Starting point is 00:34:16 Exactly. We're going to send you a t-shirt. A t-shirt, a cup, something, fascination. No, I'm in this, Kesha, when this quarantine is over and the seasons all start up again, like, Bachelorette, once you watch Claire,
Starting point is 00:34:30 I'm just going to invite you over to drink wine with me and hang out and watch the show together. Oh, I love that. No, absolutely 100%. I love watching you just be such a badass. And, like, I swear, I'm not even trying to be a total nerd right now, but I'm going to be just seeing women be able to express themselves so
Starting point is 00:34:51 eloquently while there's cameras rolling. And I'm sure it feels like the weight of the world is on your shoulders in that moment. And you're without your phone and without being able to talk to your family. Yes. And just they can air all of that. I love just watching you guys be so direct and badass and straight forward and create boundaries. It's like very empowering. Thank you so much. girl we're going to have to get you off mic when we get loose at the tongue and start spilling all the I know please I want the secrets but I won't ask for them now but later I want all the secrets oh yeah you you'll get them girl well and I will say too back at you you have just shown so much strength and you are just such a powerhouse of a woman and so thank you for that and using your
Starting point is 00:35:36 voice to just empower all the girls out there who watch you and follow the fans well we're all in this one together, especially as women, like I get it. I love watching you guys just hold it down with like, what is it 30 guys? Do you start with 30? Yes, ma'am. It's a lot of it's harder than it looks. It is. It is. Everyone's like, oh, wasn't that so fun? And the first night when you meet 30 dudes, it's actually really intimidating and kind of, I mean, difficult to remember names and all the info that that's coming at you. But, you know, let's be honest, we can't I'm playing dating 30 guys. It sounds like a dream and a nightmare.
Starting point is 00:36:20 Beautiful nightmare. To put it nicely, yes. So, well, we love hearing that you're a fan of the show and the franchise. That's amazing. So coming on and being asked to be one of the judges, like, what was going through your mind and to be able to experience being on listening to your heart? Oh, I was super geeking out and really excited to meet Chris, Harrison. and I brought my friend who like got me into The Bachelor.
Starting point is 00:36:48 It started as a drinking game and I wasn't really like paying attention because I started with one of the seasons where there was a guy in charge and I was like, what is this? No, thanks. And then when it switched over to the woman getting to be in charge, I was like, wait, I'm really into this and so into the Bachelorette. So then I got sucked in and can't quit. but just being so I brought her with me and she's now pregnant so we no longer have
Starting point is 00:37:15 Bachelorette drinking games that she came with me and we just like geeked out over Chris Harrison and we were sitting there and it's for the new singing show where people have to sing together and be in a couple and really curious
Starting point is 00:37:30 how that's going to turn out because like in a star is born it works out but like in my personal life of me and my boyfriend going to have to make music together. I think we would murder each other. So I'm like really curious how the season's going to go,
Starting point is 00:37:44 like how that show's going to work out. Yeah. Well, let me ask you this because we've had actually some of the contestants on our podcast the past few weeks. And we always ask them, like, have they dated a musician before? Or could they see that partnership work out? And it's always kind of a split vote. Half are like, no, we, you know, we think we'd butt heads and it'd be too much.
Starting point is 00:38:06 And then some of them are like, it's this really, cool emotional experience that they've never been able to experience in a relationship with the partner that wasn't a musician. So it's interesting to get your take. And I guess I want to ask you, have you in the past ever dated a musician? Oh, God, yeah. And I won't ever do it again. It's horrible. Why? We're psychos. We're so crazy. Like musicians are crazy people, especially if you get like someone who's truly just like a weirdo like I am and then you put it together with someone else who's a true weirdo it's really entertaining but it can get like real crazy
Starting point is 00:38:47 I guess it'll make for great TV and music and music I just imagine totally music yes I can only imagine which is why this is going to be a great TV show because you know for people who are fans of the Bachelor franchise it's like they're say it's Bachelor Pad times The Bachelor, times Bachelor in Paradise, times American Idol. So I'm curious with you to come and judge on the show and you don't know what you're walking into. Did you expect it to be,
Starting point is 00:39:17 because I know how Becca and I reacted, did you think that you were going to, or I should say, were you impressed by the artistry of the musicians that you saw on the show? I was. I was really impressed with a lot of people, such different kinds of genres and were so talented but that would be the hard part
Starting point is 00:39:37 and some of them just really felt so in love but then stylistically they didn't match but they were both really talented and then there was one girl that's incredibly talented but I just kind of, it didn't feel like she really liked the person she was singing with and that was hard for me because they said they're supposed to be here for love first
Starting point is 00:39:59 you have to put talent second love and the relationship has to come first and so watching someone be incredibly talented but not seemingly so in love with their partners kind of confusing and difficult for me that i hate judging people anyways i'm like the worst at it but especially in that situation because this girl's so talented but she can't help it if she's just not in love with this guy yeah well so that's actually you raise a good point because one thing i mean i'm not an artist. I cannot hold a note worth my life. I wish I could, but I watch
Starting point is 00:40:35 you and others perform and there's just so much emotion and feeling that goes into it. For instance, I need to talk about your Grammy performance a couple years ago when you performed Prane. Let me just say, for anyone out there who hasn't seen this,
Starting point is 00:40:51 you need to Google it, YouTube it, whatever you have to do. Now, Kesh, I'm such a fan of, well, one of my favorite movies is Sister Act 2. And so I I love the choir, like bringing everyone to. It is my favorite hands out, one of my favorite movies. And so when you started that performance, it felt like I got that vibe, that feeling and watching you perform on stage with all of these women, like you could, like to this
Starting point is 00:41:17 day, even just talking about it, like I get the chills remembering you on that stage with all of those women. You're all in your stunning white, like it just had that beautiful choir-esque feel, but there was so much emotion. that you could just feel. Like, you could have sang like two seconds of that song and you just felt it. And so I'm wondering when people perform
Starting point is 00:41:37 and I guess kind of going into now listen to your heart, these couples, do you think, like, when you're performing and you do have that amazing artistry, like, is it easy to fake that emotion at times or does it really just have to come naturally? And if it doesn't for some people, maybe that's why you're seeing like the disconnect between couples. I really think and thank you. You're so sweet. I can't wait to sit around and chat shit and drink wine with you guys.
Starting point is 00:42:07 We mean this quarantine to end. I know. We could do like a Zoom wine call later. Anyway, but you're so sweet. And that was such like a scary moment from my life. Like I have not watched it back just because I was so scared for like two months before that happened. The emotion you're saw in that moment was so real to the point where I just felt like I was going to pass out. I was so nervous. So being, like knowing what it feels like to be in a situation where it's really high stakes, it's really emotional on listen to your heart. I was really forgiving if someone hits a funny note or makes a face because, you know, maybe they missed a part or they messed up apart because to me a real artist can mess up or hit a wrong note and that's totally fine.
Starting point is 00:42:56 It's not about being perfect. It's really about showing the emotion. And I, for one, don't know how somebody could do that with someone they've just met and then be putting the relationship first and then trying to sing their heart out. It would really have to be like a magical connection, I think, to be able to have that come through with the songs. And that's what you see some of that. There are a couple couples that was like, wow, they're in love and I can tell. Just watching them perform.
Starting point is 00:43:24 I know they're in love. and then there were some that kind of came off more like they were friends and some of them kind of didn't seem like they liked each other very much at all I was going to ask did some of it with some of the couples feel more like an act where they were just trying to give that performance and that that's all that they really maybe cared about yeah and that's okay like again I mean you guys know this you can't force love and if it's not there like it's no one's fault and it shouldn't be you know I don't blame
Starting point is 00:43:57 I wouldn't blame myself or anybody else if I didn't fall in love with someone but yeah I think I saw some people that wanted to be in love that they just weren't and for me I can just really see that especially when someone's on stage because I've been on stage so many times
Starting point is 00:44:11 in so many high pressure situations so I know how that feels and there was one role in particular and forgetting her name but she was just so nervous and I just want to give her a big hug and be like okay just breathe but you could tell she really liked the person she was singing with. Yeah, Jamie.
Starting point is 00:44:29 I think you're talking about Jamie. Yeah, she was so sweet. Questions? So since you're a big fan of Bachelor Nation franchise, now you've been a part of it and you've been a judge on the show. Would you ever go on a show like this? Are you kidding? That's like my dream.
Starting point is 00:44:49 Yes. I told Chris Harrison, I was like, listen, I have a boyfriend. If it doesn't work out, I'd be the most fun. That shit crazy bachelor you ever have. And he's like, okay. You heard it here first. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:45:06 Sign me up for that season. I would love that. I would love to just, like, put men through the ringer. That sounds really fun. You just test them. And then you pick what your favorite one is. Exactly. So, Kesha, your current boyfriend now,
Starting point is 00:45:23 So he currently is not a musician, correct? Well, he makes music, but we don't, we like sometimes make it together. But for the most part, he just lets me do my thing. And I let him do his thing and we don't make music together because he likes to make like terrifying sound. His words. He calls it, he calls it like trash noise. So he makes trash noise. I like to make
Starting point is 00:45:54 I like to make fancy pop songs that make people feel good so it's a little different genre you kind of remind me of Garrett my fiancee and I because I'm more of like the pop indie music
Starting point is 00:46:05 and then Garrett likes the heavy metal every time it scares me and I'm afraid right now but if you two were to if you two were to perform what would be your go-to song as a couple
Starting point is 00:46:20 oh my god that's really funny um i don't think and i've been dating him for years now and he never once will do karaoke with me which is really funny because he's come on tour with me for six years he's been on tour with me but he won't do karaoke with me so i think if we had to do a song hmm i don't think he would do it but i would fix some flamblant like selim dion song and he would probably just sit in the corner you would just have to go along with it I love it. Well, Kesha, we could keep talking to you on and on, especially now that we have gotten
Starting point is 00:46:57 the pleasantries out of the way and can geek out over each other. I love that. I totally love you guys. We love you too. So we know you just released a new album, Hiro. Can you tell us a little bit about it? Yes.
Starting point is 00:47:11 Anything else that you have going on right now? Yeah, I just released the record in January. And it was something I was working on for, you know, a year and a half, But some of the songs, what people don't know is I wrote seven or eight years ago, and then you can kind of go back and revive them. So that's been a really interesting process is going back and finding little hidden gems that maybe weren't right for that point in time when I wrote them, but then bringing them to like their current situation, which is on the record I just released.
Starting point is 00:47:44 So I have songs that I started writing almost a decade ago that are now on the record. And then I have songs I wrote, you know, three months ago that are on the record. And it's just kind of fun to play with art. And really, I wanted to make a record that had zero genre boundaries. I just wanted it to be whatever it wanted to be and have it be really fun and really positive. Because I just like, I think the world can never get enough positivity, you know? Yeah. That's awesome.
Starting point is 00:48:14 It's like a diary. You can go back and reread those old entries. and at times, like, pull bits and pieces and still feel the same. So I feel like that's what this album sounds like, so I can't wait to check it out and listen to it all. But one last question. I will definitely, well, I'm going to get your number after this, and we're going to talk, but I love that.
Starting point is 00:48:37 That just sounds like such an amazing piece of an album to have together of all of the music from a decade ago. That's just crazy. But I need to ask you, because I was, creeping hard on Instagram and I saw that you just released your home alone song and video, which I was dying. I love that video.
Starting point is 00:49:01 So was that all just done at your home? Yeah, I shot all of that like four days ago because we've been in quarantine now for 33 days, not that I'm counting. But I sort of like keep my creative whatever you want to call the muse, just keep it alive. I've been just making videos
Starting point is 00:49:23 in my house of just me running around being videos. Who films it? Or do you just do like the selfie stand where you do the hands free? Set it up. I like have the whole thing. I bought ring lights off of Amazon.
Starting point is 00:49:40 I got the stand. It's like a one woman show over here. Oh my gosh. Occasionally. My boyfriend would like dip in. he'll be like, whoops, and I'll be like, no, move, I'm dancing. He's like, okay, okay. I can just picture him because you have, like, the thigh-high socks, like, and you're crawling
Starting point is 00:49:57 on your bed and I can just picture him walking and be like, what the hell are you doing? No, he's probably like, that's my girl. That's my girl. He's so used to it. He's like, oh, okay. Like, it does not phase him anymore. That is so funny. You need to film the behind the scenes of this now and put it all together.
Starting point is 00:50:15 I totally should because it's probably like. a little bit like what you do with The Bachelorette. But I just, whenever I date someone, I kind of put them through a series of tests and see if they pass, like, the first time I take my wig off of someone, see how they react. Oh, okay. You're like, you have to take my wig off at 2 in the morning and just, like, see if they can do it. See if they're man enough to take off a wig. And he's passed all the test.
Starting point is 00:50:39 He's totally unfazed. Kesha, you have to do a spoof on the show. That has to be the next video that you put out. song video please you have to do it because you know it well you're a part of all of this now oh my God I'm one of you guys
Starting point is 00:50:55 I'm one of you now I'm so excited you're stuck with us next on deck I feel like this is the silver lining of quarantine is seeing how creative people are becoming and releasing content out to all of us like we're craving so much of it now
Starting point is 00:51:10 more than ever so thank you thank you for everything well thank you you you also bring me so much happiness especially at night if I get like weirded out by the state of affairs I just put on any episode of The Bachelor and just I feel like happy and okay so I don't know you guys are all providing like the same kind of happiness hopefully that I can provide a little bit of you definitely do we're all in this together well Kesha thank you so much for joining us today like I said I'm gonna I'm gonna give you my number after this
Starting point is 00:51:45 And we're going to have our wine nights once Bachelorette season starts up again for sure. Yes, we will. We can totally watch, listen to your heart together. Yes. Yes. Oh, that'd be so fun. Next week's episode, all three of us together.
Starting point is 00:51:58 Yeah. So cute. Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Keshah. Yes. Say safe. Thank you, guys. Stay safe.
Starting point is 00:52:06 Yeah, you too. Keep cranking out those fun videos. Oh, my God, I will. And thanks for putting your entire love life and for the world to see. It's so entertaining. Slight work, Cash. Slight work.
Starting point is 00:52:21 All right, girl. You take care. Love you, too. You too. Thank you. Bye. Bye. I was just waving goodbye like she can see me.
Starting point is 00:52:31 She can fill us. Becca, how freaking cool is that? I mean, you never know who is a fan of Bassler Nation? No, and I love finding out. And I feel like, I feel like we just became best friends with Kesha. which my high school college self is literally freaking out inside. No, we are best friends with Kesha.
Starting point is 00:52:53 Cash is giving us her phone number, her address, her Zoom login information. It's like, it's so funny because people come from this show and you see all the other girls like hanging out with Selena Gomez or Demi Levato and now we got her girl. It's our turn now.
Starting point is 00:53:08 It's our turn now. That's right. I just love how willing she was to just like sit down, talk with us, be open about her time on the show. Apparently, she's been waiting for this call forever, which is I think I love more than anything. I feel like we should have had Chris Harrison on the line with us
Starting point is 00:53:27 because it seems like she is such a fan, which again, I remember the first time I met Chris, I was like just speechless, obviously. No, even me, it's like a universal feeling because I didn't watch the show before, but you know Chris Harrison. He's the face of this franchise. It's more than any other lead.
Starting point is 00:53:42 So when you meet him, you're like, oh my God. It's happening. It's real. Yeah. Well, I do hope things work out with her boyfriend. I mean, they seem like a good balance for each other. But if things did not work out, 1,000 percent, I would want her to be bachelor and at some point. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:53:59 And I'm also curious as to what trash music sounds like. Just want to just want to know. I will. I'm going to connect with her after this and see if I can get like a little audio sampling of it that we can play in one of our future episodes. Replace the Bachelor Happy Hour. music. Yes, with the trash music. I love that he calls it that too. That's so perfect. Yeah, I do. Okay, so as much fun as we've had with Kesha, we still have one more special guest for you guys today because Bachelor Happy is doing it big today. This singer-songwriter is a multi-Grami award-winning artist with so many
Starting point is 00:54:34 hit songs. It's truly unbelievable. His newest single, Look for the Good is out right now, people. And you will see him as a guest judge on next week's episode of Listen to Your Heart. Ladies and gentlemen, the one and only, Jason Maraz, aka Mr. A to Z. Okay, so Jason, we have to welcome you to the bachelor experience. I don't know if you know this, you're talking to two former bachelorets. You are now a part of the family, having been a judge on the show. So just off the top, how was your experience on Listen to Your Heart? I loved it.
Starting point is 00:55:07 I was pleasantly surprised because performing live is not an easy to do, engaging, with an audience and trying to find a connection with the audience is not an easy thing to do. Trying to connect with the song as a performer, trying to connect with your voice and what you're physically capable of, not an easy thing to do. Add in the fact that you have to now also connect and not just musically connect with your collaborator, with your musical partner, but see if there's an actual potentially intimate connection or long-lasting relationship connection. So I was expecting like just drama and or train wreck and or not great musical performances. I was expecting awkward moments and honestly didn't get that many of either of those things.
Starting point is 00:56:01 I thought it was tastefully done, great music, great musicianship, great singers, and a couple of potential connections and some of which I felt were. really authentic. So I was going to say, pleasantly surprised. I was going to say, Jason, now let's just let's be honest, when you say pleasantly surprised, you mean, you thought they were going to suck. Because I did. No, I was a judge later on. I was like, okay, this is going to be, they're going to suck. It's going to be a lot of drama. No, we could say it. I thought the same thing. So I was in the same boat as you. Well, and Rachel and I've talked about this. Like, we didn't know what to expect because this is the first time this show has happened. And so we went in thinking like,
Starting point is 00:56:41 okay you know there's going to be hopefully some couples that form hopefully the people can carry a tune and be decent singers but like when we started watching we were both blown away and so watching the couples and these performances go down was there i'm just going to ask you was there anyone that really stuck out that you were like that person has what it takes to like keep going keep going far whether it was just an individual or a couple i was in the early i was in an early group you had more yeah i had a lot And most of the couples, there seems to have been like a standout, a female standout who really was like, this is going to be her act. And it was really going to be his role to support that. Yes, he's part of it and it's meant to be both of them delivering this message.
Starting point is 00:57:31 But in a lot of cases, they really seem like it was female dominated in the performing. side of things. Okay. Girls taking the lead. I like it. Yeah. Who runs the world, Becca? Who runs the world?
Starting point is 00:57:46 Well, so you brought up a good point, you know, you're trying to connect. Well, these couples are trying to connect not only with each other, but with the audience. Did you see anyone, and we don't need names, but did you feel like anyone was there not for the love aspect, but more for the fame or the performance and what could come after all of this? Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:58:08 Well, I think each of them had a little of that. Some of them really wore it on their sleeve, and you could see, like, they're really here because they love music, they love performing, they love themselves, and do they love this person that they're with? They're not sure yet. I did see a little bit of that. I did see a little bit of that. I can't wait to see who was here for the right reasons and the wrong reasons.
Starting point is 00:58:32 Yeah, and throughout the course of the show, that will be told for sure. so prior to coming on this show because it is the bachelor presents listen to your heart did you watch any bachelor shows I didn't I didn't feelings are hurt no feelings are hurt at all no discredit to the bachelor I just I haven't really seen any programming I only just recently got Wi-Fi uh because of the whole lockdown situation uh prior to that no TV no Wi-Fi at home So I wasn't really caught up on all the entertainment. Dang. You had no idea who Jojo and Jordan wore when you sat to be judged.
Starting point is 00:59:12 No, no idea. But I like them. They're very refreshing. Yeah. Had you met Kesha before? I mean, I know that she was one of your co-judges. No, but I had just seen her live a couple of nights prior. So that was really cool.
Starting point is 00:59:26 Really? To acknowledge her for what I saw her do. It was cool. Yeah, I really enjoyed. meeting her. She was a good person. So one thing that we've talked about not only with each other between Rach and I, but with the contestants and some of the other judges that we've had on here is, like, I personally have never dated a musician. A lot of them also have not. They just don't necessarily think it could work. So Jason, have you ever dated a musician? And do you think it could
Starting point is 00:59:53 work in the long run? Good question. I have dated a musician, maybe two. I've definitely dated artists and it can be competitive, very competitive, because each artist really wants to be in control of their art or their personal expression. And you already may have advisors, whether it's wardrobe or management or an agent or even just your mom, kind of giving you ideas or support. If you have a partner or a spouse who's also giving you ideas and support and they too are a musician or an artist, then they're going to have their own spin on expression and what that expression should look like. So what I found in my relationships with other artists is it's very competitive. We're both sharing what we think is the best way to be seen and
Starting point is 01:00:50 heard. And it's really, and that is not healthy. It's not enjoyable either because you want the best, and I think this goes for any relationship, really. You want the best. for the person you're with and you really have to give them space to be fully expressed no matter what it is they're into they could like different foods they could like different people
Starting point is 01:01:10 they could like different clothes and if you truly love them unconditionally you will allow all of those things to happen you will allow all of that love and expression to exist for that person so they can have the best life possible and vice versa and in the art industry
Starting point is 01:01:26 in the music industry it's just naturally competitive and so if someone's trying to impose their thoughts and ideas and opinions and style on you or change the way you're singing this gets annoying after a while and it's not unconditional it seems like you would be cooler if you did it this way you would sound better if you sang it in this key you know yeah you need to practice more you know all that stuff kind of hits the heart that would be and it ruins the relationship plus you're working together all day you're on stage by the time you get to the
Starting point is 01:02:00 bedroom, are you still interested in this person? Or do you just need to go hide in your closet and do a podcast? Yeah. Get away, yeah. But piggybacking on that thought, what advice then would you give for these couples on the show as they go into this next phase performing their music together? If they are serious about the relationship, the relationship is going to be more full-time than the music and the art
Starting point is 01:02:32 because that happens in windows that happens on a schedule but the relationship is it's really full-time you know whether you're in your physical presence full-time and in this case it seems like they are or even if
Starting point is 01:02:48 you know even if you're touring or you're in the studio and the other person's doing a photo shoot and you're not really together you're still together in a sense of a relationship I think it would be most important to just consider that this is a job, that this is a profession, that this only happens in windows and schedules. So if we can put on like a work hat, if we can be constructive in our criticism, if we can be a bit detached from the artistry so that we don't hurt our true self,
Starting point is 01:03:26 so we don't hurt the other person. We have to be responsible about how our criticism is going to land with that person because you want them to be your beloved and feel beloved, but you also want the best for them as an artist. So it's going to be wearing two hats. That's my advice is know that each person means the best when they're offering criticism for the art, but also know that there's a time and place for that.
Starting point is 01:03:54 There's going to be a schedule for that. Pastor Happy Hour listeners thought they were coming on this show and hearing an interview with Jason Moraz about music and what it's like to be a musician and how he was judging on the show. Little did they know they were getting relationship advice. I'm over here taking notes. This is good. We're going to have people right into us now for different love advice and dealing with situations that they're going through. So, Jason, we may just call you up again. No, roll the tape.
Starting point is 01:04:22 Yeah, I inserted here. So, Jason, one thing, I find it very. interesting that you, prior to the quarantine, you didn't have Wi-Fi, you didn't have TV. So during this time where we're really stuck indoors, and I think a lot of people are finding new outlets to be creative in, are you finding yourself being more creative, able to songwrite a little bit more? Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure.
Starting point is 01:04:44 Because if I, if we weren't in this shelter in place kind of physical distancing, I'd be out on the road right now promoting my new album. I'd be doing interviews at radio stations and TV stations, be doing some live shows. In fact, today I would be in Los Angeles rehearsing with my band. We play a show tonight. And, of course, everything's canceled. So that has actually inspired me to organize my space at home,
Starting point is 01:05:12 figure out how I can learn how to do concerts from home, still connects, still create. And in ways, it's up the stakes for me because now it's not about the audience at the club tonight. It's really about the viewers at home. And if they're giving me their time, and this is the same for audiences, no matter what, if someone shows up to your show or they tune into a podcast or they tune into your live stream, they're giving you their greatest resource.
Starting point is 01:05:42 They're giving you their greatest wealth, which is their time and attention. And it is up to me as the artist to respect that time and attention and use it for good. So try to deliver some great messaging, try to deliver beautiful songs, try to keep it interesting. So I've actually felt more accountable for the quality of my entertainment and the meaning behind my entertainment more than ever because of the sensitive situation. Well said. That's amazing. I wish more people took other people's time into respect. I feel like that doesn't always happen. enough so thank you for saying that that's amazing um well and speaking of also you know i know you have some big news today obviously you can't be promoting this new album but what can we expect from you
Starting point is 01:06:33 i know that you have some big news what other projects might you be working on in the future sure um well unfortunately my future projects are are all being moved there's there's really no date and no program but i did just finish a new album uh that we're putting out digitally regardless um When I say regardless, because most albums come with a vinyl or a CD. You know, my parents, they want the CD. My stepdaddy wants the cassette because that's the kind of car he drives. I love it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:03 So we don't have physical albums this year because manufacturing is slowed down. But we have a new album that is out. A single is now out. It's called Look for the Good because I'm just a positive person. I always want to look for the good in any situation. And I didn't think a year ago when I was writing this song that we'd be living in the kind of world we're living in now. But regardless of a pandemic, humans always need hope. Humans always need inspiration to look for the good.
Starting point is 01:07:33 A great way to practice looking for the good is to practice gratitude. Practice saying thank you for anything. I mean, there's always something on the surface level you can say thank you for breathing. Because if without breathing, we expire. And that's actually the definition of breathe out is to expire. So once we stop breathing, we expire. So when we practice gratitude, we look for the good. I'm straying from what you ask me.
Starting point is 01:07:56 No, keep going. I have a new single out. It's called Look for the Good. And it's the title track off of an album called Look for the Good, which is going to come out. June 19th, it's filled with all kinds of positive tunes that I think breathe life into issues that are important today. The whole album is a reggae album so you can dance to every single track. Hell yeah. It's hot tropic is what this album is.
Starting point is 01:08:20 And I've always been a big fan of reggae. And I teamed up with Michael Goldwasser from Easy Star All-Stars, which is an incredible reggae outfit. And we produced this album at home, actually, last summer. So finally excited to be getting that out and sharing that with the world. Thanks for asking. Yeah. Well, I'm so excited to listen.
Starting point is 01:08:43 I mean, Rachel and I will probably be having danced parties to the new album on here in our closets, our ISO booths, if you will. but we can't wait and I think the fact that I think not only are you an amazing singer and performer but songwriter as well
Starting point is 01:08:59 and so the fact that this album is coming at this time I think it's something that people need and can look forward to so I can't wait so thank you for sharing your part with us in that regard it's very special thank you for everything that you said today I mean we do this podcast for our bachelor
Starting point is 01:09:14 happy hour listeners but I have truly been inspired and I know Becca has too because I see her nodding her head in everything that you were just saying, just talking about life and hope and gratitude and even the definition of breathing out. I mean, that's like yoga talk. Oh, yeah. I'll let you know a little secret. I'll let you know a secret.
Starting point is 01:09:34 Everything I've ever learned, I learned from yoga class. Like the yoga teachers, they know what's up. Yes. They know what's up. I don't know where they're getting their information from, but when you're lost, check into a yoga class, I guarantee you an hour later you're going to be completely transformed. I know I know you don't do Wi-Fi, but I have to ask you, have you seen the Bikram Netflix documentary? Because I do hot yoga, which used to be-coated.
Starting point is 01:09:57 I'm a big fan of hot yoga, derivative of Bikram, absolutely. You've got to watch the documentary and the story behind it. It will be disturbing and you'll see why they call it hot yoga now. Okay, yeah. That's my gift to you. I know. I've heard through the community and I'm happy to call it hot yoga as well. Yes.
Starting point is 01:10:16 And honestly, there's nothing quite like that hot yoga. No, no, I'm a fan. I could do a whole hour podcast on just talking about hot yoga if you want to. Same. So thanks for that recommendation. I'll check it out. Yes. Yes.
Starting point is 01:10:28 Thank you so much. You have been such a delight. We are so honored to have you on this podcast. Honored to have you be a part of the Bachelor franchise and as a guest judge on the show. We hope you come back for something else. You know, maybe on the Bachelor, Bachelorette. Who knows? Who knows?
Starting point is 01:10:43 There's so many different things you can be a part of. Cool. Thanks for the invite. That's very kind. Thank you. I'm so good to talk to you. All right, you too. Be healthy, be safe.
Starting point is 01:10:52 Becca. I feel like we don't deserve the fun that we get to have on this podcast. I mean, how crazy is it that we got to talk to Kesha today to Jason Moraz? And it's just like, I don't know. I mean, it's great enough that you and I get to Kiki and talk to each other about the show and everything else is happening in life. But to add to that, it's like, oh, you know, just another day. Just another day.
Starting point is 01:11:19 Just another Tuesday where we get to talk to. Kesha in our closets. But no, it was so much fun to talk to them. And you guys, if you thought that that was big, I mean, it was big. But that's just the tip of the iceberg because the guest stars are just going to keep coming this season. And we're so excited to see, we're so excited for you guys to see this next episode because our judges, as you heard, are absolutely incredible. And also, you know, we have to sprinkle in some bachelornation in there. So we've got Jojo and Jordan.
Starting point is 01:11:49 I mean, when's the last time you saw Jojo and Jordan on your screen? So you're going to get a little bit of them. You're going to get Chris and Lauren Lane, the newlyweds. They'll also be on this episode. And our couples finally get to take the stage and they get to perform for us. And we get to gain some insight on who they truly are as strong couples in the house. And I feel like we've heard snippets of them sing. But now we're getting this full out performance.
Starting point is 01:12:13 And I know personally, I was blown away by every single performance. You know if I wasn't, y'all will hear it on the episode, but I literally had chills after each one. I would turn to Brian and I would say, are you freaking kidding me? Becca, you know how I feel about music and this episode just really just delivered for me. And I can't wait to keep seeing these performances. And if that was just round one, I can't even imagine what it's going to be like moving forward. I mean, I can't a little bit because I was a part of one episode, but the other ones. I can't even imagine.
Starting point is 01:12:42 I think, I mean, it's hard to top week by week, but it's just going to keep getting better and better, and I can't wait. I mean, I'm personally so excited for our listeners to watch it too. So please, everyone, make sure you tune in every Monday, 8.7 Central on ABC, and then come back and hang out with us next Tuesday for another episode of Happy Hour with another fabulous cameo from Listen to Your Heart. And in the meantime, everybody, we're always trying to give our listeners just what they need. And now, more than ever, I mean, we always say this, but more than ever, we want to hear from you guys. We love the DMs. We love the comments. Whatever you have to say, like, we want to hear the good, the bad, the pretty, the ugly, we want it all.
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