Bachelor Happy Hour - Nancy’s Great Adventure

Episode Date: October 10, 2023

Today on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” we have Nancy in the hot seat! In her conversation with Joe and Serena, the recipient of Gerry’s Group Date Rose opens up about why she became emotional while wearing that wedding dress, how grief evolves over time, and how her conversation with Gerry about their shared experiences helped turn her day around. She also discusses what went through the women’s minds when they saw the bunk beds in the mansion and how she hopes “The Golden Bachelor” will inspire people in their golden years to keep living life to the fullest. Be sure to follow so you never miss an episode.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Hi, it's Gemma's Begg, host of the Psychology of Your 20s. This September at the Psychology of Your 20s, we're breaking down the very interesting ways psychology applies to real life, like why we crave external validation. I find it so interesting that we are so quick to believe others' judgments of us and not our own judgment of ourselves. So according to the study, not being liked actually creates similar pain levels

as real-life physical pain. I'll learn more about the psychology of everyday life, and, of course, your 20s this September. Listen to the Psychology of Your 20s on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric, I sat down with Jasmine Crockett,

Democratic Representative of Texas. She's holding out the fork for her party in one of the most conservative states in the Union. I think that ultimately, who will become the Democratic nominee for president will be someone that has been out there and has shown that they won't, don't allow themselves to be punched and just say thank you.

Like, they will punch back. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, my name is Enya Yumanzoor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD...

Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour.

We're really excited because we have none other than Nancy from The Golden Bachelor is here. Nancy, how are you? Hi, I'm so excited to be here. Thank you for having me. We're so excited to have you. I'm more excited, Nancy, because right now you're in my top four. And I don't know if you're in Serena's top four. No, Serena has forgotten who she picked for her top four.

So I'm going to go back and listen. But we loved watching you this week. You were a favorite of ours from episode one. So getting to see more of you on the group date was very exciting for us. We can't wait to just chat all about you. Yeah, definitely. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Okay, Nancy. So how'd you get on this crazy show?

Can you believe it? My niece, who's 28, said last Thanksgiving. Aunt Nancy, you know, there's a new dating show for older people, like you. And I was like, oh, great. What a way to sell the show. Exactly. And I said, she said, you know, it would be fun. You should apply. And I said, I'm not doing that. It was like winning the lottery. You know, you buy a lottery ticket. And you think, oh, that'll never happen. So she said, let me fill out the application and you can edit it. And so I did. And I said, sure, send it in.

I never thought ever that I would get a call, again, kind of like the lottery. And I feel like I won the lottery. Like I've, it's been, I'm just so happy to be here and it's been a great adventure so far. Okay. So where do you currently live? I live in Alexandria, Virginia. Okay. And you get the call.

What's going on in your head? Oh, I don't believe it. And then it started, you know, the process. And, you know, they had a lot of applicants. And so when they told me they had a lot of applicants, I thought, oh, I'll never make it. I don't know why. And then, yay. And then you did.

Well, like, can you come in 10 days? So I did. And I'm so happy that it worked out. And did you, did you watch? the show prior. Did you ever watch any seasons? I have. And actually, um, the season with Ben Higgins. Yeah. He's from my hometown. Oh, okay. Yeah. And so obviously I'm a lot older than he is, but his parents live on the same lake as my parents. They go to the same church. When Ben won, I watched Ben Sathan when he was one of the, of the 25, And then I watched when he was the bachelor.

And then he had a couple of fundraisers in our hometown in Warsaw, Indiana. And I came to the fundraiser. So I got to see him there. And I have pictures and with him. And so I really, that was really the first time I had seen it when he was on. But I followed that closely. Wow. Okay.

So you're from, you're from Indiana then? I am. Yes. I'm from Chicago. So pretty close. Yeah. See, good Midwesterners. Yep, pretty close.

How many kids do you have? I have three. Three kids. My daughter's 31. My son is 28. And then my junior in college is 20. And what are they saying? They were saying, of course, I went through it with them.

And they were saying, Mom, you have to do this. And I was like, I'm nervous. And my son was like, are you going to kiss anybody on camera? Like, that was his first reaction. And I said, Griffin, if I do, it would certainly be tasteful. And I'm not going to do anything that would embarrass you three or my parents. I feel like, Joe, if your mom was to go on the Golden Bachelor, that would be your first question, too. Like, Mom, are you going to kiss people on TV?

Wouldn't it, right? Yeah. Yeah, I would. And I'd be like, obviously she's going to. Yeah, that would be. We saw that you and some of the ladies were at the Dancing with the Stars show the other day. How was that? It was such a treat. We were literally, I don't know if you could tell from the show, but we were right on stage and like right there. And it was amazing to see those dancers, the professional ones and the non, how they perform. I mean, it was incredible.

We had such a good time And the taping was like four hours So we were there Oh wow Yeah it's a long time Joe was on dancing with the stars I did that show I did it

Yeah I went pretty far too I'm not the best answer though Good for you That's impressive Thank you Thank you Who was up in my book

Thank you Thank you Who was at the show with you Which of the women were there Just for our listeners Kathy. Kathy. Kathy, Susan, and April. So much fun. And then you got to see our. And we were so excited to be there. And everyone was lovely, of course. And we got to meet a couple of the dancers just by by happenstance. And then Charity was there. And she came through. We were like, hi. And there's a video I saw out there somewhere where we all, I said, we're the golden bachelor gathers. and she was like, oh my gosh. And so we took a picture and that was really fun.

How does it feel? This is like a whirlwind. You're on a hit TV show right now. Like, how is this? It's like I'm pinching myself every day. Yeah. It's unreal. And the people, again, it goes back to, I think, the tenor of the show that the people, the

producers, the executive producers, you know, everyone who works there is lovely. And I don't say that lightly, but it's true. And I, they made us feel at home. It was just, it was a great experience overall. Do you hate anyone, any of the women in the house? You're like, I don't, I don't like her. Well, of course, you like some more than others. I thought it was unfortunate, you know, the first night you saw we all are together and then six people went home and so that was hard and I wish you know I talked to everyone and everyone was really friendly and I felt like everyone was saying good luck like we were rooting for each other yeah yeah that was a good feeling how did it how did it feel let's go back to that that first night and just

Stepping out of the limo, what's going on? What's going on up there? I was shaking in my shoes. Yeah. And you saw on what they showed was I didn't have a big part in that that night or on air, but they showed my ear candy, which I do wear hearing aids. And I did that because I wanted to show Gary, you know, that I too have hearing aids. And I also wanted to show the world if they put that out there, that it's okay to not be embarrassed to wear hearing aids.

I mean, believe me, at first I wasn't crazy about it, but what do you do? And so now you get used to it. And I hope that makes other people who wear them okay with it. I mean, we had to force my dad to wear them, and now he's finally wearing him. Every time I would go home, he'd have the TV on 100. Joe would be, like, screaming at his dad for two of those way. just go downstairs you can't hear you yeah i can hear out of one ear most all out of one year just i have i lost hearing in one year but anyway so i don't have to wear them all the time but

i usually do anyway but i cried like a five-year-old when i got them at first i was like oh i'm so embarrassed people are going to think i'm like going down the tubes and i'm trying to get a boyfriend How was that first conversation that you had with Gary Night 1 then? Yeah, first impressions of Gary. First impressions were he was very, I think he was nervous. Of course he would be. And my first impression was he really, he looked you in the eye, he paid attention. And when we, you know, the brief meeting with when I did the ear candy thing,

And then when we all got to, you know, sit down and have a chat, I felt comfortable. And I thought that was a really good feeling. He, we connected, we're from, he's also from Indiana, as you know. And so I brought that up. And then because I'm from Indiana and I love basketball, I was like, let's shoot some hoops. So you then saw, and he was very like, okay, let's do it. Like he was up for anything and we shot hoots and you saw that I shot underhand, but it went in. There you go.

As long as it goes in, who cares? That's true. Oh, well. No, I think that's great. I think it's fun that you did like a little activity with him. You know, you bonded over something that you guys had in common, which is the hearing aids and kind of show that off in a cute way. And then being able to, you know, we know that he's athletic, doing activity together, make it feel fun. And I think that's great.

It sounds like you had a really successful first night at the mansion. A long first night. I mean, those nights are so long. Do you remember those? Yes, unfortunately, I do. I didn't get, I went home. I went home the first night, Nancy. I didn't get a rose.

What? He did. Okay. It was really sad. I need to go back and watch that. Sorry. It was rough. That first, were you, how confident were you?

that you were going to get a rose when you stepped into that first row ceremony. Good question. I was nervous, but somehow I felt I felt like there was a good chance. I wasn't 100%, but I felt like there was a good chance. We had talked, you know, again, very little, but enough that we connected on a couple things. And I, oh, and I did tell him that I, um, that I, I, too, had lost my husband. And so I, anyway, we, we connected.

And that was, I was pretty confident, but not overly. I mean, you never know. That was, everybody was nervous. That's how I felt. That's why I felt the first for a ceremony, too. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the psychology podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential. I was going to schools to try to teach kids these.

skills and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation, like you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it if it's going to be beneficial to you. Because it's easy to say like go you go blank yourself, right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer. It's easy to ignore to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walk the other way. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denial is easier. Drinking is easier. Yelling, screaming is easy. Complex problem solving, meditating, you know, takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the

iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I think Democrats have, for a very long time, allow Republicans to play them. So essentially, Republicans came up with a narrative, and Democrats decided to play into that, and that only hurt the Democrats. I'm Katie Couric. Jasmine Crockett, Democratic Representative of Texas, is not known for holding back. And our recent chat on next question is no exception. But when you hear how she got to where she is, her intensity makes perfect sense. It's just hard to imagine a world where you don't have enough people that care to do right by people. And so that same passion that carried me through as a public defender that led me to want to change laws and thinking about the harm

that will happen, not just to my constituents, but just generally, like, I carry that weight with me because you've seen it up close. Yeah. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, my name is Enya Humanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you.

But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psycho babble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercoms the podcast for you. Open your free IHeart Radio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. So we see, so you get the rose.

Now we're going into this week's episode. The first thing we see is you guys have to, you're seeing for the first time, you may have to sleep in bunk beds, you're sharing rooms. What is, yeah, what is the city? Because I personally, even now I would hate that. Like I don't like that.

How do you feel? Well, it's interesting. we had filled out, you know, a questionnaire about rooming and, you know, do you like a top bunk or a bottom bunk? And I wrote no bunk. And now I thought, oh, they're probably going to kick me off. But we had a great time in our room. It was kind of like a, you know, girl's sleepover.

And, you know, you're in with these people you've just met. You don't know. You're kind of siphon everybody up because sometimes. people are more, you know, out there. And I sort of was a little quieter. And sometimes I think maybe I shouldn't have been, but we, it was really fun. And just a great camaraderie. Why do you think you shouldn't have been quiet? Well, I think just when I went on camera and some of the things that I, you know, I'm not overly, I think I was just in the beginning, sighting, it all up and trying to make sure

I didn't do anything stupid. Yeah. But that makes sense. It's a very overwhelming new environment. There's like such a learning curve. You're like, how to slow work? I mean, you had a really cute moment in the episode. We were trying to figure out if you watch the show or not after we saw this.

But Jesse puts down the date card and you're like, oh, you're not going to open that? Like, what's happening? What is that? He was laughing because he's like, well, it's the date card. And no, I'm not going to open it. So it's a lot, right? It's a lot to take in. So I think it makes sense that, you know, Joe always kind of, I feel like you sympathize with the people that are a little more quiet or awkward or standoffish in the beginning because that's kind of how you felt.

Yeah. Yeah, it's hard because you've never done anything like this. Nancy, how old were you when you got married, 24? Thank you. I was 28. 28. My husband was 33. Okay.

So, yeah. Sorry to, sorry to cut you off. So let's say, let's take your 28 self before you got, let's say you were single, right? You didn't get married. How do you think your 28th self would have done in a situation like you're in now? Probably because I hadn't lived the years that I have now, I wouldn't know what I know now. And so I think I would have been like, yeah, what are you? never let's go yeah and i think now you know i was cognizant of i don't want to embarrass my kids

i want gary to be impressed i want to get time with them i want to do all these things as you guys know are going through your head like i'm hoping that he's the guy but you've got to have time to talk to him and etc so i think my 28 year old self would have been much more um not as quiet in the beginning. A little more loose, wild, yeah. A little bit. Yeah, makes sense. Yeah.

Okay, so we see, so you're on the group date and you, you know, it's an emotional group day, which you completely understand, you know, it's the first time you're wearing a wedding dress. So you want to walk us through that? Yes. Whatever you don't, whatever you don't want to talk about, we don't have to talk about. No, it's okay. I when we were you know we had to go pick out an outfit and it was you know people were we were supposed to walk some people were running to get the best outfit like all that and I don't really anyway I wasn't sure what to pick and then more people are picking and then I was like oh and then there were three wedding dresses so I didn't think anything of it picked a wedding dress and everybody's like

come on we have to move in and get ready and change and we're going to go you know change over in this gym um someone's home gym and get ready and I was fine I'm changing I'm putting on the wedding dress I zip it up somebody zips me up and then somebody said and I forget honestly um you know they said Nancy you look so beautiful as a bride yeah this wave of 23 years of being married and 25 years of being together and it wasn't just the dress. It was the reminder of what we had for 25 years. Yeah. And that dress was just the scab or whatever and not a scab, you know, and I broke down, as you saw.

and I kept thinking, okay, okay, I'm going to be okay, but I had, I wanted to take the dress off, but then I went as you saw it and talked to Gary and, you know, he knew that I wasn't feeling great. And I said, you know what? I thought, I'm just going to be honest. Like, yeah, said, you're not your normal self or what you saw it. And I said, you know what? It was really hard for me today and I told him and he was so that's where I felt like we had a connection because he totally could sympathize and then he said the story about his wife and the cinnamon rolls and what you know that he had broken down when she when she he smelled cinnamon rolls because she used to make them at Christmas and we he really and

And then he got teary-eyed. And then he was very sweet. And then he asked me about my husband. And, you know, I really, I was embarrassed that I was crying. But like I said, it was like this rush. I can't explain it other than it was this rush of 25 years of a truly happy marriage and three kids. And, you know, he had a long battle with colon cancer that was. so long and it just it was just that and it was like okay I can do this and then we got

pictures taken you know we did all that if you think you had to go through those emotions to be able to be ready to take that step to be ready to actually date someone like Gary or be able from that yeah from yeah from that experience maybe like to do you think that experience and and you know feeling all those emotions and that rush of emotions maybe in the long run helped you open up more to Gary and get yourself ready to be in a position to potentially get engaged to this man yes yes and you know obviously it's been 12 years since my husband passed away so I have dated and I you know tried the you know how we all you know, the dating apps, et cetera, and through friends,

I just haven't met the right guy. So I have been ready, but that, and, you know, it's happened before once or twice maybe, like five years ago. I was in the grocery store and something reminded me and I broke down. That and what Gary and I talked about was that grief, you will always carry that with you. It doesn't happen. Again, that hasn't happened to me.

well ever um like that and it happens to me you know in private sometimes i cry now i i think the difference is now when you're going through grief and you having time had time um you don't you don't cry as much now i smile more and i think about my late husband and the kids and we talk about him, but we all smile more, we don't cry. And so that was the difference. But having the wedding dress on really, yes. But I think those emotions, yes, that was good for me. I mean, it was cathartic. Yeah. Yeah. And probably allowed you and Gary to kind of be vulnerable and connect on, you know, the loss of a spouse. And he was able to share his story. And yeah, probably progressed your connection in a way because you were able to

open up. And you get the rose. She got the group day rose. Yeah. Yay. Yay. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the psychology podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential. I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation, you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it if it's going to be beneficial to you because it's easy to say like go you go blank yourself right it's easy it's easy to just drink the extra beer it's

easy to ignore to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walk the other way avoidance is easier ignoring is easier denial is easier drinking is easier yelling screaming is easy complex problem solving, meditating, you know, takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I think Democrats have, for a very long time, allow Republicans to play them. So essentially, Republicans came up with a narrative, and Democrats decided to play into that. And that only hurt the Democrats. I'm Kitty Couric. Jasmine Crockett, Democratic Representative of Texas, is not known for holding back.

And our recent chat on Next Question is no exception. But when you hear how she got to where she is, her intensity makes perfect sense. It's just hard to imagine a world where you don't have enough people that care to do right by people. And so that same passion that carried me through as a public defense, that led me to want to change laws and thinking about the harm that will happen, not just to my constituents, but just generally, like, I carry that weight with me because you've seen it up close. Yeah. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, my name is Enya Yumanzoor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD, oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then emergency intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free Iheart radio app. Search emergency intercom and listen now. So getting the group date rose, how

Like, how confident are you now in your connection with Gary? And are you sizing up any of the other women and now starting to, like, pay a little more attention to their connections with Gary? Is any of that happening yet? Yes. Okay. Yeah. Definitely. And I, in one way, I felt not bad, but I knew after that exchange that I probably would get it.

And only because we had that connection. And I, again, it wasn't planned and I didn't feel it just happened. And but he, I could tell, appreciated, like you said, Serena, that I was vulnerable. And I think it ended up being a good thing. And but yes, after I got the group date rose, I was kind of looking around and I knew we had seen. you know, a little kiss thing going on with other women. And I was like, hmm, okay, you like, sir, you like, you know, that kind of thing. So, yeah, I was sizing it up, starting that dying.

Yeah, I feel like it's hard. Like, it always starts out like so happy and supportive and not that people aren't supportive of each other as it goes on, but it definitely gets harder to support other people because you're like, well, I don't want to support your relationship with Gary. I want the relationship with Gary. And I just wanted, I was, I was concerned because I thought, well, now that I got the group date rose, I knew I would be safe, but I doubted I would get a one-on-one date because I got the group date, right, right. That's really what I wanted. Of course. You want as much time one-on-one with him as possible.

Is there anything in this journey? actually let me let me rephrase that let me rephrase that let me phrase that um what would you like to say to anyone in their golden years who thinks their best days are behind them well i'm a good example i think all these women who are on there are a good example that it's not over you have to put yourself out there like hopefully everybody does get off the couch don't you know pick up a new sport go to a new activity the main thing is being out there and I think it'll happen and this gave me a lot of hope that I'm hoping you know it turns out well but I hope that people can look at the show and think you know what

look at these girls like they're they're doing their thing they're out there they're trying they wear hearing aids and they can still get a boyfriend you know what i mean hearing aids are sexy uh i said hearing aids are sexy yes that's what we're learning that's what we're learning from golden bachelor um if if you we're gonna we're gonna play a game but if you could tease the rest of golden bachelor with one word without giving anything away what would how would you tease it. I could tease the show, the audience. Yeah, just the show.

I mean, you know, what could we expect? Drama. Oh. Most dramatic season yet. One of our favorite adjectives for this franchise. It's true. All right, Nancy, you're ready to play a gamer and play a rapid fire? Rabbit fire.

So first thing it comes to your head, you answer. Okay, you're not going to make me. No, it's all just fun, it's all fun, easy question. It's like, yeah, okay, I'm ready. Yeah, okay. What is the first thing you do when you wake up in the morning? Eat my dog. What is the best dish you cook?

Oh, also Buka. Ooh, wow, that's a good one. Yeah. What is your go-to? Rose Ceremony Cocktail. Chardonnay. What was your first concert you ever attended? Actually, can you go back.

Yeah. Champagne? Champagne. Thank you. Classic. What was the, are you guys doing any shots on the show? Any shots at tequila or anything?

No. No. Okay. What is the first concert you ever attended? Bruce Springsteen. what is your love language time oh

words of affirmation I have a few that's fine you can have all of them words of affirmation and gifts love that and time

how many hours of sleep do you need every night eight to nine yeah okay who is who is on this podcast right right before Nancy who did we have faith

faith like she faith claim she only needs like three yeah she was like three to like i just need four hours and then i'm good no well i admire her i need eight or nine yeah same same i was like faith what i was like i'm 25 and i'm cranky if i don't get seven what is what is your favorite place in the whole world world is Harbor Island in the Bahamas. Okay. If you could only watch one movie on repeat for the rest of your life, what would it be? Love Actually.

I love that movie. And I just talked about Love Actually right before this podcast. You did. I had a line for that movie in my vows. Really? Yeah, I had to me, you are perfect, which is the way he like holds on the side. Oh, and Colin Firth is my dream date. Just, I mean, for fun, but just think.

He's a celebrity crush. Love that. Yeah. That's my celebrity crush. What is one word your kids or grandkids would use to describe you? Funny. What is your go-to karaoke song? Bitch better have my money.

I love that. You are funny, Nancy. There you go. Right after claiming you're funny, you have. hit us with a joke. I love that. Well, I think I'm funny, but I'm not sure. You are funny. You are funny. Thank you. If you were to write an autobiography, what would you call it?

That's such a hard one. Bitch better have my money. Oh, my gosh. There you got my money. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. It was the best life ever. I love that. Yes.

Do you believe in love at first sight? Yes. What is one word to describe this season of the Golden Bachelor, which you've already told us, which I should be better at not asking the same question twice? What? Oh, drama. Drama. Drama, it is. Drama.

There it is. Nancy, thank you so much. We cannot wait to watch the rest of your journey unfold on this show. Thank you everyone for tuning in and remember all new episodes of the Golden Bachelor here every Thursday on ABC at 8 7th Central

followed by new episodes of Bachelor of Paradise. You could stream both shows the next day on Hulu. And make sure to tune in to new episodes of Bachelor Happy Hour every week. We're going to have some more amazing guests on. We've got all kinds of exclusive interviews coming up so don't forget to subscribe.

And again, Nancy, thank you so much. You're wonderful. And everyone else, see you guys next time. Bye. For having me. Hi, it's Gemma's Begg, host of the Psychology of Your 20s. This September at the Psychology of Your 20s, we're breaking down the very interesting ways psychology applies to real life, like why we crave external validation. I find it so interesting that we are so quick to believe others' judgments of us and not our own judgment of ourselves. So according to this study, not being liked actually creates similar pain levels as real-life physical pain. Learn more about the psychology of everyday life and, of course, your 20s. This September, listen to the psychology of your 20s on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric, I sat down with Jasmine Crockett, Democratic Representative of Texas. She's holding out the fork for her party in one of the most conservative states in the Union. I think that ultimately, who will become the Democratic nominee for president will be someone that has been out there and has shown that they won't allow themselves to be punched and just say thank you. Like, they will punch back. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom.

If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeart Radio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now.

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