Bachelor Happy Hour - Nate’s All In on Gabby

Episode Date: July 19, 2022

Nate stops by to chat with Becca and Michelle about his amazing one-on-one date with Gabby! In their conversation, Nate reveals what went through his mind when he heard his name on the date card, why he felt so comfortable talking to Gabby about his daughter, and what makes his connection with Gabby so effortless. Plus, did he fall for Gabby on their first date?! Then, Becca and Michelle discuss this week’s drama in the mansion and share their thoughts on Rachel and Gabby’s decision to send Chris home.  Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Like there's so much that we have to talk about. It's going to be a great week with you. we probably are not going to have enough time to actually talk about and cover everything but we are going to be talking to the man who received Gabby's first one-on-one date Nate trust me I have

I understand how you feel because some of my exes have very common names too I'm not going to say me of them but I have been in your shoes before so I get it but luckily we're so excited to have Nate come on like you said he did get Gabby's first one-on-one date. And I actually loved his reaction to it, which we'll get into. I loved how shocked he was. Like, he didn't see it coming whatsoever. Before we get him on and get into his date and his experience, let's break down episode two quickly. I know that we both

had some standout moments. I have one question, though, for you, Michelle. Okay. And I was very shocked. And I just want to get into the one-on-one dates themselves really quick, because obviously there was a group date with the girls and all their men. But then each woman was given a one-on-one date this week. And Jordan went with Rachel. Obviously, he did not get a rose. But were you surprised that he did not go back to the house? Because I was thinking, even if he didn't get a rose on a one-on-one date, should he not stick around to see if he has a potential connection with Gabby? oh wow I was surprised

that he just up and left totally like I thought if nothing else I actually so okay I feel like you're going to have to I mean I obviously know

that we have two bacheloretts right but I feel like I compartmentalize as I'm watching at times as well and so the first time I watched it I was like honestly I don't know

if someone ever got sent home on the first one-on-one date of the season has anyone been sent home I mean, I, we would have to ask, like, everyone, like all of the diehard fans out there. But I don't think, I don't think so, like, from seasons that I've seen, I don't think the first one-on-one date person has ever gotten sent home. Yeah. And honestly, I think for that, I was like, if she can go back and confidently

send somebody home and just know that, like, this is not for me, 100%. Like, that's, you know, she knows what she wants, right? But I actually didn't think about that other piece of it of, like, this. This could be something or something that Gabby wants to get to know. But I'm also curious that if they spoke about this before they even, like, started filming of, you know, did they have a conversation about that, you know? So this is, because I was watching the episode with Thomas and he raised a good point. And he said, well, Jordan specifically said he was there to get to know Rachel, like he was in on Rachel. So from that point of view, I understand maybe why he would go home for good.

but there's still many guys there who they're like we have a connection with both women and we're interested in exploring connections with both these women. And so I was surprised that even if it wasn't going to be him and Rachel, what if it could have been him and Gabby? And I don't even think Gabby, I mean, from what we've seen, Gabby hasn't even had a conversation with him. So I was like, this could have been a missed opportunity unless Gabby and Rachel chatted separately and had a conversation. We didn't see where Gabby was like, no, I'm not feeling it. He's not for me. You know, do your thing. But it'll be interesting. I do understand that. But I also will say that at the end of the day, not that like he can necessarily have control of like staying.

Like you can't, people would do force to try to keep themselves there, right? But if I was in his position and I was sent home because of Rachel and let's say I really like genuinely had a connection or wanted to explore that, then it's also on him to say something, right? To walk back in and say something of like, I do still have this connection. So that's hard because it's like it's on almost like on both parties, I guess. Right. And I think as the season goes on, it'll get much clearer and easier to kind of know who, I don't want to say like whose side the men are on because I don't want it to be like a team. A stronger connection.

But yeah, I think it'll be much easier to tell what guys. are vibing with what girls. But right now, it's the first week that I was like, okay, this seems a little premature to be sending his house home totally. But I was just kind of shocked in that moment to be like, not even that Rachel was sending him home. Like, you know, if you don't feel it with somebody, by all means, you have that decision making to say, like, I can keep you or I can send you home. But I was just shocked to see that he wasn't going back to the house to see Gabby. Yeah, I think for me what's hard is that they really do communicate well with each other. And before we've been coming on this, I mean, none of us really know how this is going to go or how it was going to fully work because it's never been done before.

But I really feel like the girls are so respectful of each other. And, you know, they are in this experience together. You can see that during all of the different episodes. You can see them talking to each other. You can see them making decisions together. and so I feel like, I don't know, I feel like whether there was a conversation, whether it was something that they established beforehand, I really do feel like it was thought out. And adding to that point, because we do see them together so much that I've, I kind of felt

weird in this episode though, because I love their friendship. I love the girl chats that they're able to have. but at some point, and I even said this when I was watching it, I'm like, they have to be split up because, right, even in the conversation when they had their group date together and they were like on the bed talking in the middle of the date, you know, like after Gabby had kissed Logan, but then Rachel had a connection with Logan or however that went down. Like, it's already getting kind of messy a little bit. And I think that they both are handling it so maturely, so respectfully of being like, I have a connection with this guy. I kiss this guy. I like this. I like this. guy, but it is going to get messy. And I'm like, at some point, they're going to have to split these women up. They really, they really are. And it's just like, I don't know if there's a way to do this where it's not messy and complicated. Like, humans are already complicated enough, you know, but it does keep your interest. I will say that. Oh, yeah, definitely. I love how dynamic it is so far. I mean, I like, and kind of why I love watching Paradise so much is I love watching

different love stories with different people and that's why I like the dynamic of this but also too I just felt so bad for Rachel in points I'm like Gabby's living her best life this week and poor Rachel is like having to watch this guy who Gabby liked him over and kiss her and have this grand date after she had not so great of a night it's just I mean I feel like it's going to be very much up and down this entire season it really is but like I mean I was talking to like one of my good friends about this as well of just You know, Gabby and Rachel truly care about each other and that is a real friendship. You know, that's not just a friendship that's on the screen.

And you can see that, whether they were going to be the Bachelorette together, whether they're just going to be in life together. They truly, like, enjoy each other's company. They're different, but, you know, they also have similarities. And kind of how I explained it is, you know, if I'm going through a breakup and I'm hanging out with one of my good friends and her boyfriend, right? I'm not sad around them, right? Like, I don't get angry at them for being happy. I want her to be happy. I acknowledge that right now.

I'm really struggling, right? Because I want something for my, like, for myself or to find my person. Right. But I feel like it's going to be tricky. And I'm curious to see if it's going to fluctuate. Mm-hmm. Oh, it's going to be. It's got to.

I mean, you know, like, remember when you were filming and actually I can empathize with Rachel because they're, I mean, I'm sure you've experienced this too. There were nights and there were weeks where I was so. happy. And I was like, this is working for me. I'm falling in love. I'm going to find my person. And then there were nights and dates and full on weeks where I was like, this is so hard. How am I going to make it through? Like, how am I actually going to find somebody to want to get engaged to at the end of this? Like, it's so rocky to begin with. I just hope at the end of it, they can both, you know, get on that steady, even footing. And I can't imagine

that they wouldn't. I have faith that they will. We're just getting into the drama. What's going to happen? Like, I don't know what's going to happen, but I know that something's going to happen. Well, speaking of drama, let's talk about Chris because he finally brought the drama this week. Night 1, we didn't see any drama really. So what is it about the name Chris? That's a good question. Did you ever Chris on your season? And he caused drama, yes. On your season two? Yes. Oh my gosh. He went home halfway through and like fought with the dudes, fought with me, was just angry he yeah chris is who what were your thoughts on how he handled the conversation with the men like the first initial conversation that really kick started all the drama and then how

he handed it handled everything later on with gabby and rachel and then the men again i think i mean he he already just rubbed me the wrong way from the very beginning but when anybody just completely says like because I'm going to be here for a while. It's like, one, that's not your main point. You can leave that out, right? So, like, why are you, are you convincing them? Are you convincing yourself? Like, are you, you know what I mean?

Like, that's just not something that, like, what do you want to get out of that, right? Just, I don't know, expectations or just assuming. Well, we talked about, like, the borderline of confident versus cocky, right? Yeah, that's not even on the line. That's like a, well, I don't know what mountain level that's on, right? But it's like, no, you don't know that, right? You're just getting, you know, you're just getting to know, everybody. And I think the way that he said it, too, is if you're in that for the first week,

I know that he, like, has had some conversations with them, right? I know. Like, I mean, a decent amount of time a little bit. From what we saw, it didn't look like he really did. Yeah. So I'm like, well, what are you going off of? Like, are you, you know, talking about it in a way where you're better than everybody else? And like, that's why you're thinking. And that's how it's just kind of approached. But I, I really was just, I don't know, just kind of went into the the category of like one like mansplaining to just always that person who is always trying to like take control of that entire situation um and you sign up for a situation where like you you sign up for a dating show to fall in love where like there's going to be

more than one person there and so it's really hard at this point down the line to be like if you don't like if you don't handle yourself in this way all the way down the road and already know that it's done it's like he I think where he really not even fell short but like where he screwed up I would say is the fact that he couldn't fully articulate like what he was thinking and feeling it sounds like he was giving he wasn't even giving these women an ultimatum but he had an ultimatum at some like at some point he was going to have to give this ultimatum but he didn't want to have to vocalize that to the women and I think what really rubbed all the men the wrong way is not even just having the conversation about fantasy suites I don't even think it was that per se. I think it was how he came across. And multiple men said he was very condescending, very this

and that. Do you feel like the men or like from what you can remember, do you feel like there's been any issues with them between like the men and Chris before this point? Right? Because like if there was then you kind of might, that's what you might feel to the screen. No, I mean like he had one day with them.

Like it was literally night one and then this is the first day of living together. So it's, I mean, Yeah. You know who, you know whose brain we should pick about this? Who's? We should, we should pick Nate's brain about this. I'm curious what he has to say. Oh, yeah, no, no. Just bring him on, talk to him about it. I want to know his thoughts. Yeah. I mean, he was there. He wasn't one of the men to confront Gabby and Rachel about it, but he was there. He heard everything. And so he can give us the most insight.

So let's wrap this little recap up and bring on Nate Gabby's one-on-one date right now. All right. So Nate, we are so happy to have you. How are you doing? I'm doing good today. I was a little nervous getting up this morning. It's actually my first podcast. So you guys are popping my podcast. We feel so honored. Nate, I want to ask you, and I want to preface with this because I am friends with Joe Amabili. And I know that you guys have ran in the same circles. You have some friends within this world of Bachelor Nation. So how did you actually get on the show? Were you a fan? Or did one of the the guys that you're friends with that have been you know affiliated with the show did they apply for you you know so one of my best friends who is dustin dustin k he was on hannah brown season and i watched a couple of the the seasons leading up to it but not really consistently but whenever he was on i was just fully immersed because i was rooting for him and things like that so uh i think early on whenever he did some b-roll i guess for his intro i ended up meeting one of the producers and then he and i would just always be in contact and

stuff. And at first I was a little reticent in being involved just because, I mean, I'm not that private of a person, but, you know, I'm not like, oh, put me on TV. And then I just led up to it, just the way that the chips were falling in, the way that my life is going, it just seemed like the right time to do it. So that's kind of how I got connected to this in a sense. Okay. I love what you said. You're not that private of a person. Most people are like, I'm so private. I like the honesty. Was there, was there anything? Okay. So you said, in K, correct? Was there any, like, worries that when he came back or, like, just different things that

you thought about because you watched him go through it, like, any, like, negative sides that you were, like, that made you kind of, like, question or should I get into this? Should I not get into this? You know, I would have said I may be had, but his experience, like, he didn't really do too much. I think he was just so nervous of, like, being canceled or getting caught into drum. he wasn't really able to like embrace the situation. So I didn't really have any negative feedback from him or even from watching it.

So I think if I would have had a friend that was in the show him that maybe had like a very negative experience or something to where they couldn't really live their life comfortably, then I would have been a little bit more hesitant to say and just done away with it. But it really wasn't that. So and then again, you said like being around some of the other guys like Joe Mobley and Peter and things like that, like. I was able to get somewhat of an outside view and perceived them as either good people or see like all these actual like cloud chases and stuff. But I never got that vibe from any of them. And I mean, look at Joe now.

He's doing, he's doing great. So I was going to say if Joe likes me. Joey, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Joe doesn't as we've all seen. Joe doesn't like everybody. So if you're on his good side, you must be doing something right.

I want to ask you this because now we've seen two episodes. and it's i can speak from experience it is very jarring the first couple weeks that you watch yourself on tv how has that been for you and how has it been for your friends and your family seeing you you know i think they enjoyed a lot more than me i get i get so anxious looking at myself because obviously i'm overly critical i feel like my voice sounds so weird that's exactly i always Supernatural of everybody. Or just like different things that you do, right? I always touched my hair.

I said, I like, I love it. Like all the time, you catch things that, like, you were doing all the time. You're like, why do I do that? It's so odd. It's so, so, so odd. But, yeah, the biggest shock was just hear myself because I thought I had a beautiful voice up until these past two weeks. Aw. What do you think of the, the fans have labeled, not labeled, but the fans have given

you the name, is it floppy hair? Yeah, I think it's floppy hair, Nate. How do you feel about it? And how do your friends and family feel about it? You know, I think it's, I think it's funny. You know, if you can't laugh at yourself, I mean, this probably isn't the right thing to do. You know, I've never shied away from making fun of myself or just joining in with it. I think it's fun. It's stuck with me. I actually enjoy it when I see floppy hair, Nate, because I mean, I know, it's a good, it's a good pun. So I've embraced it. I don't think my family knows that people call me floppy here and Nate yet maybe some of my friends but I think it's just the rest of the public hasn't caught on quick enough yeah maybe maybe um I have so much to ask

you and Michelle and I were actually so happy that it's going to be you on here today because not only did you have a group date you had a one-on-one date but you were also you you weren't part of it but you witnessed some of the drama that went down so we'll get into all of that but to start the week there was a group date at the mansion with all of you men and the two girls came over and they surprised you with a I don't even know technically why it was called a pageant show because like there was a show talent part of it but we didn't really see much talent is what I'm trying to think at like there really was a lack of talent there was just more of like a show so and we don't need to talk about this for too long because the the main

of this entire episode was your one-on-one, and that's the most important part. But can you give us any behind-the-scenes tea of that day? Like, you guys are getting ready, putting on the speedos, like what was the vibe like, anything at all? Well, in the beginning of the day, we, I mean, we just recently moved into the mansion. So we're like, okay, they're just going to,

they're going to leave us alone for now. Let us get, you know, a little irraciated with the grounds and be calm. But then, you know, the girls popped up. And we're like, okay, so it's going to be a chill day. And then it just kept snowballing to me. more and more. It's never a chill day. And when they brought that bag out, I'm thinking to myself

there's no way. It just can't be. And I look over at, because Jordan B. was sitting to the next of me. And we were sweating bullets. His face had turned just like bloodshot red. And I'm over here, like my stomach, it feels like I'm getting ready to throw up.

And then the first thing they pull out was a shoe string and I could have fainted. I said this can't be happening. Was anyone, I feel like if I was in your position, I'd be like, hell, no, I am not doing this. My mom and uncle will be watching this show. Was anyone adamant of like, I refuse to do this? You know, I think everybody had the hell no moment in the back of their mind. But then there was those one or two guys that was just so, so eager to do it.

And that was Quincy, of course. We had probably the most revealing one. And then I forget who else. Once the group kind of collectively said, you know what, let's just support each other, let's do it. We knew we were getting into like an uncomfortable, I guess, you know, journey, you're going to have to step out of your comfort zone a little bit and just be a good sport. And honestly, it was, it sucked in, like, seeing it and knowing that you had to try and do that, but actually going through it and just to support each other and cheering for each other was kind of empowering to an extent to be like, oh, we actually did it, didn't die, you know. seller it's not an easy thing to do either because you do have in the back of your mind like my family is going to see this or like so and so is going to see this so it's such a tricky

situation to navigate but hey yeah yeah I actually banned my family from uh from watching I was like you can watch anything else with this part just let's see the skip tvo or just fast forward the first 15 minutes fast forward you don't need to see it you don't need to see it we're moving moving into everything right you have that competition and then And then you move into the night portion. Were you surprised by who the women invited back to their house for the after party? You know, I was extremely, you know, I was in a mindset, like, from their perspective. I think they were just seeing who was, like, able to, like, step out of their comfort zone to, like, really embrace and also intrigued them to an extent.

And just sitting up there watching and knowing what everybody had to, like, overcome mentally to do something like that, I felt like everybody deserved. So whoever they chose, I was like, kudos, good for you. I was going to try to get there. I was kind of down and ready. I was like, ah, what else do I got to do? But, yeah, I wouldn't say extremely surprised. It's more so just like, oh, you know, you take notes. You take notes of what resonates with them, what they like,

and then you just try to either find a way to connect with them. So, you know, you can find some time to talk to them and connect. Well, speaking of connections and finding time to talk with somebody, you lucked out this week because like I said the beginning, you not only were part of the beginning of that group date, but you also got Gabby's one-on-one date card. And I have to say your reaction to hearing your name was priceless because to set the scene for everybody who may have forgotten, Jesse Palmer comes in that week and he explains there's going to be one group date and two one-on-one dates. And so you kind of knew going into it what this week was going to look like.

but you looked like when your name was called, it looked like you were still waiting for other names to be called. You were that shocked. You were like, wait, is somebody else coming? Even though Jesse was like, nope, there's just a one-on-one coming. And so I loved your reaction because you genuinely seemed shocked to be asked on that one-on-one date. But it also seemed like you had a great connection with Gabby Night 1. So what was going through your mind when you got that date card and you were finally like,

oh, hell yeah, I get this girl's first one-on-one date of the season? there was a lot going on through my mind like shock is an understatement like when they said Nate a part of me blacked out I was like man I'm hallucinating right now like my mind just made them say Nate and then he stared at me for a little bit and then I was just in utter shock my heart like dropped to my stomach I was like I didn't even think this woman knew my name it was a joke that we had in the house where you go around I was like man like I'm just fighting this week so she can like remember my name you know and after the pageant and I didn't when I didn't, not

when I didn't get invited to the after party, I was like, you know, I was desperate, I was like, there's no way they know who I am. Like, they saw me, I'm pillow boy to them. No, not. Stand up, so, walk with confidence. You got this. But yeah, no, I was just

so, I was just so grateful and excited that, you know, all the little things that I was doing, step not in my comfort zone, just everything that I was trying at somehow, like, caught. She was intrigued enough to, you know, give me that first one-on-one. So we talked a little bit about, like, how you got on the show, right? And then you found out that you're going to have two bachelorette's.

Yeah. When you entered or just kind of like your mindset coming into it, were you open to meeting two women or were you leaning more towards Gabby? You know, I think I was open towards meeting two women. I try not to lit like personifications of like TV. You serve like actual connections. But I think whenever I did assess like, okay, I'm not about to try to juggle. I'm gonna focus on one, you know,

the sooner the better that I can, that, you know, I have the opportunity to choose, the better for me. And I was in a weird position that all I had was just my intro. I didn't even get a chance to talk to them the first, the first night. So then I was like, okay,

I'm really gonna have to just step out on limb and just see who kind of resonates more with me, not through my interaction with them personally, but like how they interact with the other man and maybe some of their characteristics. And I thought, what, was, I guess, more similar to me was Gabby at the time. So whenever she gave me the one-on-one, I was more than ecstatic.

She's funny, quirky, and a lot of her characteristics really resonate with me. So, and I'm jumping all over the place, so I apologize. But I want to ask this to play off of Michelle's question. We will get into your date with Gabby. But because you and Gabby had such a good connection on that date. Like, you really hit it off. And in my notes, I wrote, like there was one word that I wrote, after you both left that date and I said it was effortless.

Like you could just feel that connection between you. Leaving that date, though, that one-on-one with Gabby, were you all in at that point on her? Or were you still potentially open to the idea of dating and getting to know Rachel as well? You know, I think I was all in on Gabby. You know, you said it best, like effortless. And I get along with a lot of people,

but for something to be that seamless, I wasn't going to try and search for it elsewhere, you know, and I thought, I knew Rachel's an amazing woman, but for the most part, what kind of happened with me and Gabby, I didn't want to like kind of take away time from fully immersing or exploring that relationship. So I was just kind of one way. Yeah. It was such a good first date. Everything that you did.

Every part of it, I was like, the champagne at the mansion in the morning, the helicopter ride going into the hot tub at the top of a hail. overlooking L.A. to going to Union Station, I was like, you won the jackpot with that. And, like, Gabby's incredible, too. So you just I was jealous watching it. You walked in and they're both standing there, right? Yeah. Were you like, were you like, did you think you'd be going on a date with both of them then? No, I didn't. So, so Rachel actually came a little later. So whenever I walked in,

I was greeted by, I was greeted by Gabby. And so me and her got like a little bit of time. And then whenever we went to, for the champagne, then, you know, Rachel is there. And at this moment, I was kind of like, like, struck like, oh, my gosh, she's one for one with sending people home. So I was kind of treading, treading lightly. But, yeah. With Rachel? I won't. That's, yeah, were you hesitant?

Like, because I feel like it's, and Michelle and I touched on this at the top of the episode. But this is the first time that I can remember on any season where somebody went home on the very first one-on-one date. which I'm sure to all of you men still back at the mansion, you're probably like, oh, shit, like, this is actually real. Like, these girls are taking this so seriously. So was part of you hesitant coming into that day being like a lot is actually on the line here? No, absolutely. I knew that they would be very intentional with like their choices and how they spent their time.

And for him to go first, it definitely put in the air of like fear in the house. We were like, what did he do? And to not have those answers, those questions answered. We just, we came. up with a million reasons as to what could have happened why and it just it just wasn't good but at the at the end of it i said you know i got i got to kind of put that you know to the to the side and focus on gabbing in our relationship in the forefront because mind you i go straight into a one-on-one

like hey like let's create this uh connection from scratch and see if you friends like any of it but it went so it went so well just because i feel like um whenever i met her i was met with such kindness and the person that you see on TV is truly who Gabby is like she's just as sweet she jokes but she also has an air where she can turn on like um a mode of being serious and and very deep so uh i love that we were able to have like that much of a dynamic conversation and date just off the bat yeah how did you go in okay so you guys are so natural together and like for even all the listeners or viewers or whatever remember that when it's the camera's on you too like there's so many other things happening around you that the fact that

you guys could be that natural from right off the bat that's why i'm like okay like we're gonna i'm gonna keep my eye i'm gonna keep my eye on then too um but were you you know you do you did talk about your daughter and you wanted to share that did you plan to have a conversation about that the first night or are you like i'm gonna know when the right time is to talk about that it was kind of like a first night thing that I thought I was going to bring up. So the game plan I went in with was like a certain, you know, a couple talking points. But at the moment where I got the one-on-one, like I was like, I can't, I'm not going to go in and talk on, you know, day one whenever we're already, you know, at our one-on-one. So I wanted things to be relevant and present. So I didn't

talk about night one. I would talk about the pageant a little bit. And then also my daughter, because I didn't know when I would get another chance to get that time. Like, you glom onto like these small moments. People don't realize that the time you get on screen is really all you get. So to make things so intentional and just to kind of be vulnerable, so you don't miss a chance of them, like, seeing the person you are. And so by the time that I got on a one-on-one, I was like, I'm going to be vulnerable. I'm going to be funny, but also serious.

So she can get like a good, a good high-level view of who's in front of her. Because, I mean, we don't really know each other. So the better that you can articulate your thoughts and motions and just give her like an inkling of who you are to your core. And she picked up on it quite well. She's so attentive into seeing details and reading into people. Were you nervous about how she was going to respond to you? Like that's a big thing. Because there's people who are just like, no.

Yeah. I wasn't really nervous. I was just being myself, you know. She could have said anything and I wouldn't have been okay with it as long as I was just being genuine and honest and just like kind of not hiding anything i knew i need to lay my uh my cars in the table just so she can see again who's in front of her and if she accepts it then you know it's cool i just wanted the opportunity to present myself uh and just just know uh was it me was it not and not have to go home and be like man didn't get a shot to you know show her who i was well i think it's so

apparent to anyone watching the show just how much you love your daughter and you even said i I love being a girl dad. And Gabby's reaction to your story and your situation was beautiful. I mean, I didn't expect her to cry. And what I loved is that her first question was, you know, tell me more about your daughter. Like she was genuinely invested in not only getting to know you, but such a huge part of your life. And I think it helped her, you sharing your story, helped her share hers because she had, you know, a strained relationship with. her mother growing up and so were you aware of that going in and after that conversation did you

just feel so connected after that like you guys have shared so many heavy parts to both of you that it probably bonded you in such a special way no absolutely going into it whenever I did that like you know that conversation can go a number of ways but she was just so that she just has like such a calming presence around her that I just did feel completely open expressing it and then her pinging me and asking me questions on it following up. I was like, oh, wow, she's, like, really attentive. And it just made me feel so comfortable, even though they were difficult conversations. You want to feel like you can have those conversations with someone that you're potentially

buying for their affection and, you know, possibly marrying. So, and then whenever she, like, opened up, I was like, wow, like, I had no idea of, like, her relationship with her mother possibly being constrained. And so I just wanted to be, like, an open ear for her and return the way that she did for me. And doing that, it really felt like it did make us a lot closer just to have like that, that bonding moment. And then again, like, we had that serious moment. And then right after we were able to, you know, start joking in and make it like harder than fun. So it just goes back to saying, like, we really did have like a really good dynamic in the things that we

covered in that date alone. So you guys really don't miss the beat. It's kind of, you guys could just go do anything. Like it seems like it's a relationship. where you can run errands, you can go to Target, you can, whatever it is, yard work. And then y'all would just be joking the whole time, laughing the whole time. I, oh, God, I just had a question. Oh, this is what I wanted to ask you. So you know Gabby better than Michelle and I do. I was lucky enough to have Gabby on the podcast, you know, back when Clayton season was airing. But that was just one conversation. But what I took from that at that moment in time was how self-aware of a woman she is. Is that something that you picked up on right away too? Because I feel like it would be so hard to miss.

she is so self-aware. Oh, my God. It's unbelievable. And to be in the presence of someone that's like that, it's kind of, it can be daunting, but it's in the presence of the right person, it's also empowering just to see someone like that. You know, I admire people who've gone through things,

but people who go through them and come out stronger, like you just get an aura around them and you just, you know, appreciate them and love them even more for it. So it was truly amazing to be able to share that space and just see her for her who she was and not just what they portray on TV. Because if you get like time with her, you just like, you are a phenomenal woman. And I'm, you know, it just, it just justified the reason for me even, even going on the show. So did you start to fall a little bit for her that night?

Like, I feel like there's no way you couldn't have. I knew that question. I knew it. There was a lot of emotions and things. It did take me a while to process it. We definitely did have a lot of. a strong emotional moments and I think we did develop I know we definitely developed feelings for each other but I can't say what it was like a fall like you're not did you see okay so you

talk about how Gabby and we all talk about how Gabby is so self-aware after you spoke to her just about your daughter and the picture and her response and all these other things was there a thought that you were like yeah like this person um really does have like the qualities that would make a good mom to your daughter. Absolutely. Like being around her, I always say I never put someone in the bucket of, oh my gosh, I'm talking to you. So you're automatically in the bucket of date and wife. Like at first, I just wanted to see if there was like a friendship that could be developed there, see if there was something deeper. And then by the end of the evening, you know, I saw so many qualities that were just indicative of just being like a good nurture, a good mother, a good support system even for me.

So she crossed, I mean, that date just crossed up a lot of boxes for me and why I was really just kind of one way after that. In my mind, I was like, yeah, I was so. I feel like all things considering the fact that you didn't necessarily get to talk to her that much tonight one, like you really are taking the lead, I would say, as like one of the standout contestants at this point in time. But I would say at this point, probably the strongest connection we've seen with one of these women. Well, it's been so awesome to chat with you. I know this was your first podcast, but you, you did wonderful. You did absolutely wonderful. And I'm really excited to see, like, how far he goes, Becca.

Oh, I am too. I hope for you, Nate. Thank you. Thank you. It's not. But before we go, we love our games here on Bachelor Happy Hour. So we're going to get to know you a little bit more from a little rapid fire. So we're going to ask you a question and your job is to respond.

It's quick, like a short response. And yeah, we're going to see what you have. Becky, you want to say the first question? Yeah, it's so easy. So first question is simple. Are you an early riser or a night owl? I'm an early riser. You know, a lot of times if I don't wake up early,

my daughter's going to wake up and put on something crazy on the TV. And I wake up hearing like some crazy noises and it's terrifying. So I always have to beat her up and she's an early. She got a mind of her own. That's good. We love that. Best dating advice you've ever received. Best dating advice I've ever received is, you know, be yourself and the people who are supposed to be there will gravitate towards you. You don't want to, you don't want to garner the affection of a woman by not being yourself because you can't maintain that. You can always be yourself and you can be grounded that way. So that's the best advice I've gotten. Solid. How do you?

do you like your pizza? I think this is word is so weird. Next day cold. You know, it's almost like Thanksgiving. It's literally the next day. It's better cold. I totally 1,000% agree. The flavors can marinate a bit better.

Yes. Shower or bath? Shower. Yeah, shower. I can't fester in it. I can't fetch the water. I feel like every guy we have on is going to say shower. No.

One is going to say bat. Let's just take this question. I love him in. I feel like Quincy might say bad. Quincy might say bad. I can't wait to have Quincy on. I'm excited to pick his brain. Okay.

So, Nate, this is a question that you have to answer and show us, okay? What is your signature dance move? Oh, my signature dance move? Let me see if I can do it. He's like, do I have enough from around me right now? You know, I find, like, a little Dougie is probably, The easiest one to do, because it doesn't take up too much. I'm tallest if I have something newer.

I got to flail my arms. It doesn't work a minute. I'm going to hurt somebody. So I just. A little duggie. Okay. What is your favorite curse word? Probably shit.

Shit. Shit. I say shit probably a thousand times a day. I get an email. Shit. I loved your face, too, when you said that. Like, did you for a hot second think, can I say this on the podcast? I thought about it, but you asked me.

So I was like, oh, we must be able to curse. So it's a trick question. Unless you're baiting me. Nick curses. Okay. Okay, Nate, I love this question for anyone. What is your guilty pleasure? My guilty pleasure?

Hmm. This is a good one. I don't think I've thought of a guilty pleasure in a while. I have to have one. What is my guilty pleasure? Everyone has something. Guilty pleasure. I don't know. I like, I like K-pop. I listen to it. I may get flat with that. I like, I like, I like K-pop. I like K-pop. I like K-pop. I like K-pop. I like K-pop. I don't know what. That was not what I was not what I was saying it's a guilty pleasure. We're really like, no, I like it's upbeat, it's happy. Good. So, okay, so that leads us into the next question, speaking of music. What is your go-to karaoke song? Oh my God. It's going to be me by in sync. I love it.

it's gonna bang bang yeah what you know this song it's gonna be me i i why i'm okay this i know the lyrics but i don't know the name i don't know who sings it i was gonna say it's either that it's either that of a riot carry i built out with bari carry sweet fantasy oh my god yeah can you give us a little clip go oh my god i probably break my speakers i did it's just a sweet sweet Fantasy baby Come on You can't do that on Don't maybe hanging in

karaoke Okay I'm thinking of Yeah I hope that So we will never So we will never go to karaoke with Nate

Is what he's telling us right now No If I get a little buzz My voice gets a thousand times better I promise you Like yeah Singing is hard I do it all the time

I'm going to shower singer through and through But to be good at singing that's different. Oh, yeah. That's why I do karaoke. Oh, I love a good karaoke session. My shower concerts are pretty dope, though. I will say that.

One time, fun fact, I used to work at a bar, and I got a little too crazy one night when I was working, and I sang karaoke, and I absolutely flung the microphone across the entire bar and broke it, and so I was banned from karaoke for a couple years. What song were you singing? We'll find another bar. It was Billy Jean by Michael Jackson, yeah.

Shout out Johnny B's. It was good old Michael Jackson. So ever since then, I don't allow myself to sing any MJ, which is probably for the best. All right, Nate, what is your current screensaver on your phone? My current screensaver on my phone, it is a background of Cartagena. I traveled to Columbia, I think a couple of years ago. Yeah. And I take a black and white phone to the street. It's super nice. So if I'm at work, I pick up the phone. I see a photo of vacation and it puts me in a happy place. I love that. Well, that's a step up for Mario last week. He did not have a screensaver. You did it? Oh, my gosh.

We're going to end with one last question for a rapid fire. What is one word to describe the rest of Gabby and Rachel's season? One word. I would say. Or a phrase. Or a phrase. I'd say a phrase is

very unpredictable extremely unpredictable I like it I feel like they've been unpredictable these past couple of seasons so we're just going to keep it rocking and rolling this one I've not seen they say it

but it is truly unpredictable we were at a law so I would be every time that there was something coming out we would guess what would we be doing we would guess of you going on the next one-on-one and I was wrong

every single time and I was in it. So I can't imagine what emotion the viewers out there are going to go through whenever they just keep getting these twists and turns.

It's really unbelievable. Even to be in it, so I'm excited. I'll say unpredictable. Okay, I'll take it. I love that. All right, Nate, every week we ask our guests

a Rose and Thorn. So it's going to be for this week for this specific episode. So basically your rose it's going to be like your favorite moment, your highlight, and then your thorn is obviously the opposite. Okay. My thorn was probably the moment they picked those thongs out of the bag.

That was probably one of the lowest, the lowest points. And then my, and then my rose was dancing with Gabby at the end of our 101. That was probably the funniest moment for me. I love that. Michelle, what about you? I would say my thorn would probably be just watching Rachel just respond to those conversations, you know, really like wanting this for herself as well. And, you know, so early on, like just people deciding that not to open up. This was not to read to you by the...

Yeah, yeah, yeah. My rose, my rose would be Gabby and Rachel. Throwing Chris, not throwing Chris out, but sending him home because I don't know. I love women who can make their own decisions and they truly do just like, they know what they want. Yeah. And they stick with it. Oh, right. Good ones.

I'm going to say, oh, my thorn, Nate, I'm sorry, this is to you, was watching you spray on so much cologne before your date. Oh, my gosh. Gave yourself so many squirts. I was like, I can smell you through the screen, sir. I'm telling you it lasts longer. I don't know what it is, but like my cologne is not that strong. I mean, it needs more than one else that's gone.

I was watching this. No, no, no, it was so funny. I actually wrote that in my notes because I was watching this because I was like, I need to call his ass out tomorrow when I have him on the podcast. That's okay. Back at like Boys in Hollis today, like, yeah, it's literally like, you got to do a million, do a million. You got to season that food.

I thought you did so many sprays. I thought you were going to spray it in your mouth before you left. I was like, oh, my God, put the bottle done, man. I should have. I should have. Somebody needs to just, like, get that 10 second clip instead of two because I was laughing so hard. I was like, how many did he do?

But if that's my, if that's my Thorin, you know, it's a good week. I'm going to say my rose was, I think, just seeing the girls together and like in the little moments, like in the middle of their group date where they can just hop on a bed and have a girl chat and drink champagne. That's something that I would have loved to have on my season. You know, like there's, you always take the breaks with your producer to talk through things, but it would be so much more special, I think, and just fun in general to have one of your good friends to be able to do that with. And so seeing those moments with the two of them together, I absolutely love. So that is going to be my, my rose. And with that, Nate, you made it through your

first podcast. Thank you for joining. us. Amazing. Thanks, guys. You guys are truly a pleasure to talk with. It was so much fun. Thanks for having me.

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